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NFT: evolution a fair question to ask a Presidential contender ?

Headhunter : 2/11/2015 4:54 pm
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Hey Cam  
Spock : 2/11/2015 9:40 pm : link
Thanks for offering to pay my mortgage, but the Lord has blessed me with a decent brain, common sense, good health, and then rewarded me with much of the riches of this world which I used to pay off my house. But don't envy any worldly treasure I own because such is fleeting and cannot be transferred to the next world. Rather, be envious of the greatest possession I own- ETERNAL LIFE! (I hope some day you are worthy to carry this promise to your grave too.)

PS However, if you love me that much, would you mind sending that mortgage payment to Salvation Army instead. They could always use it. Thanks.
Send toes to Salvation Army.  
GiantFilthy : 2/11/2015 9:43 pm : link
Got it!
On one side of this debate  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 9:43 pm : link
Is a mountain of evidence across multiple disciplines, and on the other, zero evidence, and people get hung up on evolution for lack of "definitive proof".
Zero evidence?  
GiantFilthy : 2/11/2015 9:47 pm : link
It's all documented right there. Pick up the book.
RE: On one side of this debate  
Spock : 2/11/2015 9:51 pm : link
In comment 12132924 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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Is a mountain of evidence across multiple disciplines, and on the other, zero evidence, and people get hung up on evolution for lack of "definitive proof".


I assume you know how to google topics, so if you google "Creationism" you will see a ton of research that supports creationism and refutes evolution. Good luck.
RE: Zero evidence?  
Chef : 2/11/2015 9:52 pm : link
In comment 12132926 GiantFilthy said:
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It's all documented right there. Pick up the book.
There is always the contrary
RE: RE: On one side of this debate  
GMenLTS : 2/11/2015 9:52 pm : link
In comment 12132934 Spock said:
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In comment 12132924 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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Is a mountain of evidence across multiple disciplines, and on the other, zero evidence, and people get hung up on evolution for lack of "definitive proof".



I assume you know how to google topics, so if you google "Creationism" you will see a ton of research that supports creationism and refutes evolution. Good luck.


Define 'research'.
You are an idiot  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 9:53 pm : link
That pretty clearly doesn't understand what the word research means. You should pray to howdy dowdy or whoever the fuck your god is to grant you a clue.
RE: You are an idiot  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 9:55 pm : link
In comment 12132941 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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That pretty clearly doesn't understand what the word research means. You should pray to howdy dowdy or whoever the fuck your god is to grant you a clue.


To Rocky, of course...
I think  
Big Al : 2/11/2015 9:58 pm : link
a study of the Flintstones is part of the research.
Creationism  
kicker : 2/11/2015 9:58 pm : link
is supported by "research"?

Probably the same style of "research" that supports the Ouiji Board hypothesis...
Anyone up for a good  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 9:59 pm : link
Laugh. Creation "research".
Institute for Creation Research - ( New Window )
RE: You are an idiot  
Spock : 2/11/2015 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12132941 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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That pretty clearly doesn't understand what the word research means. You should pray to howdy dowdy or whoever the fuck your god is to grant you a clue.


i can tell your profession is not lawyer or teacher. You have zero skills in communication. Just curious, Are you in the concrete business?
This thread  
Chef : 2/11/2015 10:01 pm : link
had no chance
My communication skills  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 10:02 pm : link
Are substantial. My ability to suffer fools is lacking.
Yes, because one side at least attempts to maintain  
kicker : 2/11/2015 10:02 pm : link
middle school scientific principles...
That link was intereating  
Spock : 2/11/2015 10:03 pm : link
Here are the credentials of some of the people writing and researching at the site.
Staff at ICR - ( New Window )
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GiantFilthy : 2/11/2015 10:03 pm : link
so much awesome from a PHD  
GMenLTS : 2/11/2015 10:03 pm : link
The heavens declare the glory of God (Psalm 19:1), even when secular astronomers claim otherwise: "For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them (Exodus 20:11a)."
RE: My communication skills  
Spock : 2/11/2015 10:06 pm : link
In comment 12132959 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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Are substantial. My ability to suffer fools is lacking.


Says who?

Not me!

All you do is resort to name calling, which shows one or more of the following: lack of education, lack of self esteem, lack of conviction, or lack of God.

Which one(s)?
So. They have Ph.D.'s on staff.  
kicker : 2/11/2015 10:08 pm : link
Is that supposed to give them more weight?

People with Ph.D.'s deny the Holocaust.
RE: Yes, because one side at least attempts to maintain  
Chef : 2/11/2015 10:09 pm : link
In comment 12132960 kicker said:
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middle school scientific principles...

large cocks await your throuht....
Well, it is time for me to get ready for bed. Long day tomorrow  
Spock : 2/11/2015 10:09 pm : link
It was almost enjoyable fellows. Thanks for the few laughs I did manage to find here. I don't suppose I will see this thread tomorrow, so catch you on a later thread.
Lack of fucking  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 10:10 pm : link
god baby....and proud of not being ruled by a 2,000 year old fairy tale...
RE: Well, it is time for me to get ready for bed. Long day tomorrow  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 10:11 pm : link
In comment 12132971 Spock said:
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It was almost enjoyable fellows. Thanks for the few laughs I did manage to find here. I don't suppose I will see this thread tomorrow, so catch you on a later thread.


Go fuck yourself to sleep....
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Del Shofner : 2/11/2015 10:11 pm : link
I have never viewed evolution and belief in God as creator as inconsistent with each other. It's pretty much a miracle however it happened.



RE: Lack of fucking  
Chef : 2/11/2015 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12132973 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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god baby....and proud of not being ruled by a 2,000 year old fairy tale...
Have some respect
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kicker : 2/11/2015 10:12 pm : link
In comment 12132969 Chef said:
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middle school scientific principles...


large cocks await your throuht....


I doubt many that rely on an ancient book to derive scientific principles will grasp it.
Actually Rob  
Spock : 2/11/2015 10:13 pm : link
Moses wrote the first five books probably around 1500bc, so that puts the good book around 3500 years old, not 2000. The New Testament is about 2000 years old, but people of true faith usually believe in the veracity of both books- the first (erroneously referred to as the Old Testament) and the New Testament.
How could Moses write a book that describes his death?  
Wuphat : 2/11/2015 10:13 pm : link
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RE: RE: Lack of fucking  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/11/2015 10:18 pm : link
In comment 12132978 Chef said:
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In comment 12132973 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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god baby....and proud of not being ruled by a 2,000 year old fairy tale...

Have some respect


Your lack of respect for science offends me in similar fashion.
RE: RE: RE: Lack of fucking  
Chef : 2/11/2015 10:24 pm : link
In comment 12132986 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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In comment 12132978 Chef said:


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In comment 12132973 Rob in CT/NYC said:


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god baby....and proud of not being ruled by a 2,000 year old fairy tale...

Have some respect



Your lack of respect for science offends me in similar fashion.
Very Good..Understood
Bob Dylan  
Headhunter : 2/12/2015 6:15 am : link
Oh, God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe said, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God said, "No" Abe say, "What?"
God say, "You can do what you want, Abe, but
The next time you see me comin', you better run"
Well, Abe said, "Where d'you want this killin' done?"
God said, "Out on Highway 61"
Wuphat  
Spock : 2/12/2015 6:29 am : link
I don't you really care, but I will answer your question about Moses. I can't be dogmatic here but if I had to bet my two dollars, I would say JOSHUA finished the part of the book that Moses that described Moses' death. Joshua was the next leader and was awesome in his own right. Too bad you think all of that is fairy tales though.

By the way, I can't recall any Jew coming on here adding support to my beliefs and interpretations in the First testament. They all can't be unbelievers, are they? So, if there are any Jews out here who also believe Adam was the first contemporary man who did not evolve from primordial soup, speak up.
Wuphat corrextion  
Spock : 2/12/2015 6:30 am : link
My first line should have red- I don't think you really care.....
Sigh ....  
River Mike : 2/12/2015 7:08 am : link
There is NO missing link! People looking for a "missing link or people using the absence of a "missing link" as an argument against evolution simply have no concept of how evolution works. The process of evolution negates the possibility of a so called missing link.
If you don't believe in evolution  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 2/12/2015 7:09 am : link
You shouldn't be president.
If you don't believe in evolution  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 2/12/2015 7:13 am : link
You are insufficiently evolved.
Spock  
Wuphat : 2/12/2015 7:14 am : link
I'd take those same two dollars and lay it all on myth, not history.

absolutely  
Jon : 2/12/2015 7:42 am : link
Crtitical thinking skills are a must have for a presidential candidate in my book. Believing in creationism over evolution would be a non-starter for me.
I need the trifecta  
Headhunter : 2/12/2015 7:47 am : link
Evolution, Climate Change, human Stem Cells
RE: Sigh ....  
Big Al : 2/12/2015 8:03 am : link
In comment 12133077 River Mike said:
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There is NO missing link! People looking for a "missing link or people using the absence of a "missing link" as an argument against evolution simply have no concept of how evolution works. The process of evolution negates the possibility of a so called missing link.
"The phrase missing link has been used extensively in popular writings on human evolution to refer to a perceived gap in the hominid evolutionary record. It is most commonly used to refer to any new transitional fossil finds. Scientists, however, do not use the term, as it refers to a pre-evolutionary view of nature."
RE: How could Moses write a book that describes his death?  
Bill in UT : 2/12/2015 8:03 am : link
In comment 12132983 Wuphat said:
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Ghost writer
Spock's  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/12/2015 8:15 am : link
moniker on BBI is ironic.

Anyone who requires a book to have a moral compass, does not have a moral compass. They just have a book.
RE: Spock's  
mrvax : 2/12/2015 8:31 am : link
In comment 12133124 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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moniker on BBI is ironic.

Anyone who requires a book to have a moral compass, does not have a moral compass. They just have a book.


Without a set of standards being recorded and agreed to, you are left with each individual deciding what is good/bad morality. It makes for chaos.
I think that is called law of the land  
Headhunter : 2/12/2015 8:33 am : link
that keeps us from our baser instincts not some book of fairy tales
RE: I need the trifecta  
Bill L : 2/12/2015 8:41 am : link
In comment 12133092 Headhunter said:
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Evolution, Climate Change, human Stem Cells

Evolution does not remotely belong in that group.
It's absolutely a fair question  
TJ : 2/12/2015 8:44 am : link
but you'll never get a straight answer from the candidates who are counting on the votes of evolution deniers. Every republican candidate knows that every homophobic or science denying statement they make will cost them the independant votes they need to be elected. On the other hand the creationists have nowhere else to go as long as the candidate does not actually laugh out loud at them. So it pays them to weasel out of the question.

You can see the strategy in action in the house every year when dems try to pass a resolution honoring charles darwin on his birthday. Republicans try to keep it from coming to a vote and will abstain or vote against. But most who have higher ambitions won't try anything silly like honoring ken ham or the other creationist frauds.
just as fair - and much more important IMO  
TJ : 2/12/2015 8:48 am : link
is to ask them if they think all the National Academies of Science of all the developed nations on earth are lying about climate change.In my experience, the evolution deniers and the climate change deniers are closely linked so you may be able to infer the answer both answers with one question.
RE: RE: Spock's  
Chris in Philly : 2/12/2015 8:50 am : link
In comment 12133144 mrvax said:
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In comment 12133124 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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moniker on BBI is ironic.

Anyone who requires a book to have a moral compass, does not have a moral compass. They just have a book.



Without a set of standards being recorded and agreed to, you are left with each individual deciding what is good/bad morality. It makes for chaos.


What set of standards has been recorded and agreed to in our case? Is adultery a crime? Is coveting thy neighbor's wife? (Holy crap I hope not!)

I am glad for whoever finds meaning in holy books. But they are not required for knowing good from bad. Period.
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