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Cullen Jenkins restructures his contract

Defenderdawg : 2/15/2015 10:51 am
The Giants and DT Cullen Jenkins agreed to restructure his contract, clearing $825,000 against the salary cap.
Jenkins, 34, was originally scheduled to count $2.917 million against the cap and was in danger of potentially losing his roster spot. He started 11 games this past season as the pocket-pushing interior lineman next to NT Johnathan Hankins. Jenkins is a part-time rotational player at this stage of his career. Feb. 15 - 10:40 am et
Source: Jason Fitzgerald on Twitter
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great news  
robbieballs2003 : 2/15/2015 10:54 am : link
I think we may see a little resurgence out of him this year in this defensive scheme.
Could be robbie  
mrvax : 2/15/2015 10:58 am : link
but don't be surprised if a bunch of offenses go hurry-up to avoid Spags swapping the Dline around every other down.
Good DT would have become an even bigger need  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2015 10:58 am : link
if he was let go. They still need to add a player who can rotate with Jenkins to keep him fresh because at this stage of his career you do not want him playing full time.
Good news  
jeff57 : 2/15/2015 10:59 am : link
He's a valuable guy to have.
I hope this is an actual pay cut  
djm : 2/15/2015 11:05 am : link
And not a restructure that pushes the cap costs further on down the line.

Jenkins is ok as a rotational DT. We still need a legit live body at DT.
RE: I hope this is an actual pay cut  
AcidTest : 2/15/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12137199 djm said:
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And not a restructure that pushes the cap costs further on down the line.

Jenkins is ok as a rotational DT. We still need a legit live body at DT.


This. The run defense was horrible. Jenkins was part of that problem. We need a big run stuffing DT to pair with Hankins. I probably would have cut him, but with Patterson not likely to be resigned, and Kuhn JAG, keeping Jenkins for depth, at least through camp, is understandable. But we need a lot more beef up front.
I'm guessing this was a question of being cut or taking a pay cut.  
yatqb : 2/15/2015 11:18 am : link
At least I'm hoping that's the case. Jenkins can still help at DT and DE.
Good scenario: we take DT Shelton with the #9 pick  
SGMen : 2/15/2015 11:19 am : link
DT Shelton take DT Patterson's roster spot.

We start DE Moore, DT Hankins, DT Shelton, and DE JPP (re-signed) and have DE Ayers, DT Jenkins, and DT Bromley as the game-day backups. DT Kuhn is the odd man out on gameday but makes the roster.

Now, because Jenkins can play DE in a pinch we have rotational depth. I'm not sure who the 7th lineman will be on game-day but may be Kuhn due to special teams.

Ah, the scenario's! I can't wait until the combine is done and we can really look at the true possblities!
To me,  
YANKEE28 : 2/15/2015 11:25 am : link
I think this means that Hankins, Jenkins, and Bromley are locks. That is not a very strong group, so I think an UFA is our target when Free Agency begins (think Stephen Paea or Dan Williams).

SGMen-Linval Joseph, Big Hank, and Bromley were all high picks that basically sat the bench their first year. For that and a few other reasons, I just don't see the Giants having any interest in Shelton at # 9.
I think you have to go  
Doomster : 2/15/2015 11:27 am : link
all the way back to Cofield before a rookie DT started for the Giants.....

But in this case, it wouldn't surprise me because the Giants are desperate at that position...

Wishful thinking on JPP, but it would make Spag's job quite a bit easier.....however, if not signed, this defensive line could be a huge mess, mainly because of inexperience, and lack of playing time together....
RE: RE: I hope this is an actual pay cut  
Toth029 : 2/15/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12137203 AcidTest said:
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In comment 12137199 djm said:


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And not a restructure that pushes the cap costs further on down the line.

Jenkins is ok as a rotational DT. We still need a legit live body at DT.



This. The run defense was horrible. Jenkins was part of that problem. We need a big run stuffing DT to pair with Hankins. I probably would have cut him, but with Patterson not likely to be resigned, and Kuhn JAG, keeping Jenkins for depth, at least through camp, is understandable. But we need a lot more beef up front.

The main problem on the run defense was the edge. I thought the interior was fairly stout. Hankins and guys like McClain did an admirable job. Patterson was active in his starts. But, like you said, he's just a JAG right now, like Kuhn. Jenkins can be a viable rotational DT in pass downs, so keeping him isn't a bad idea, necessarily.

I do agree, however, that they should still look into adding another piece. We don't know zip about Bromley.
Y28  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2015 11:34 am : link
I agree I think Reese's big free agent acquisition is going to be along the DL most likely at DT. Paea would be a great addition but I don't know if the Bears would let him go since they are weak at DT also. I wanted Paea back in the draft but unfortunately Reese went with upside and took Austin instead. Now he may get the chance to correct that mistake. Also I would love it if they signed Kendall Langford for depth as he is expected to be a cap casualty in St. Louis.
I think we'll go after Williams, who'd be a great addition.  
yatqb : 2/15/2015 11:39 am : link
But I'm fearful that we're gonna lose JPP, another in a long line of high draft choices allowed to leave after their rookie contracts expire. Can't build a winner when you're constantly replacing your best players.
RE: I hope this is an actual pay cut  
giants#1 : 2/15/2015 11:39 am : link
In comment 12137199 djm said:
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And not a restructure that pushes the cap costs further on down the line.

Jenkins is ok as a rotational DT. We still need a legit live body at DT.


It can't be a "typical" restructure unless they gave him an extension since 2015 is the last year of his current deal. Comparing Spotrac and Overthecap, it looks like OTC already updated the details. So it looks like Jenkins cut his 2015 base by $1.2M in exchange for a $375k (guaranteed) roster bonus. ($1.2M - $375k = $825k cap savings). Good deal for both sides.

I like the move as I think Jenkins can still be productive for 25-30 snaps/game and they can hopefully increase Bromley's snaps to fill the void. A solid improvement from Bromley and continued development from Hankins and they could be pretty solid inside.

the first couple of likely quite a number of moves  
Coach Mason : 2/15/2015 11:41 am : link
By Reese to set us up for next year
Smart move  
Emil : 2/15/2015 11:52 am : link
allows Jenkins to play a rotational role on team, which Spags will make great use of. Was Jenkins on the Eagles when Spags was the DB coach there?

I think this raises questions about the other starting DT spot. Is Bromley ready to be a full time starter in his 2nd year. The honest answer is we don't know, the cynical answer is probably not. Hopefully he surprises.

Still fully expect the Giants to take DL within the first 3 rounds. Probably within the 1st 2. The Cupboard is bare after the starters.
Alrght...not bare  
Emil : 2/15/2015 11:52 am : link
but at least thin
I really like it  
mattlawson : 2/15/2015 11:53 am : link
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Jay, I can see the Bears letting  
jayg5 : 2/15/2015 12:10 pm : link
Paea walk. Bears hired Fangio as their D.C. who is a 3-4 guy. I don't see how Paea fits in that scheme. From a bears point of view I don't see how many of their players fit the 3-4 scheme, especially the 3rd rnd pick Will Sutton who was very disappointing his last yr in college after trying to play at 310 lbs.
I like Jenkins.  
Bones : 2/15/2015 12:13 pm : link
Glad he'll be here another year. Woul not be surprised if he drops a few pounds to fill in as a run stopping DE.
Good move  
SLIM_ : 2/15/2015 12:14 pm : link
SGMen - you forgot Wynn who showed more in a couple of games than Kuhn has shown in 3 seasons including specials (for both).

Jenkins is a solid rotational guy who didn't have a great year last year. We definitely need to get tougher in the front 7 but a lot of the run defense blame could be attributed to Fewell's schemes. He had fundamentally bad schemes in playing the option and utilizing 3 safeties often in non passing downs make it difficult to play the run.
RE: Jay, I can see the Bears letting  
Jay on the Island : 2/15/2015 12:27 pm : link
In comment 12137255 jayg5 said:
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Paea walk. Bears hired Fangio as their D.C. who is a 3-4 guy. I don't see how Paea fits in that scheme. From a bears point of view I don't see how many of their players fit the 3-4 scheme, especially the 3rd rnd pick Will Sutton who was very disappointing his last yr in college after trying to play at 310 lbs.


I forgot that they hired Fangio. In all depends on if they believe Paea can play 3-4 DE or not. They will probably target Dan Williams since he is among the league's best nose tackles.
Hasn't Paea been dealing  
Big Blue '56 : 2/15/2015 12:39 pm : link
with a "knee?" Or, some possible injury red flag?

Perhaps I'm thinking of someone else

The Giants are at such an on field  
arniefez : 2/15/2015 12:42 pm : link
And business disadvantage with a coaching staff that wants to red shirt rookies. Under the current CBA young cheap labor is the life blood of good NFL teams. Wasting a year or more of the rookie contract so that Vets feel like the rookies haven't been given anything or because the rookies are being asked to study so long they can't play is horrible business in every way. If a DT is the BPA and the Giants pass because they know the coach won't dress a rookie DT that's a real problem.
RE: The Giants are at such an on field  
Big Blue '56 : 2/15/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12137300 arniefez said:
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And business disadvantage with a coaching staff that wants to red shirt rookies. Under the current CBA young cheap labor is the life blood of good NFL teams. Wasting a year or more of the rookie contract so that Vets feel like the rookies haven't been given anything or because the rookies are being asked to study so long they can't play is horrible business in every way. If a DT is the BPA and the Giants pass because they know the coach won't dress a rookie DT that's a real problem.


This is a tiresome and largely inaccurate assumption about TC's use of the rookies
RE: The Giants are at such an on field  
Emil : 2/15/2015 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12137300 arniefez said:
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And business disadvantage with a coaching staff that wants to red shirt rookies. Under the current CBA young cheap labor is the life blood of good NFL teams. Wasting a year or more of the rookie contract so that Vets feel like the rookies haven't been given anything or because the rookies are being asked to study so long they can't play is horrible business in every way. If a DT is the BPA and the Giants pass because they know the coach won't dress a rookie DT that's a real problem.


redshirting rookies like OBJ, Kennard, Richburgh, Pugh, Andre Williams and Jaquan Williams? Kiwanuka, Bradshaw, and Steve Smith all played significant snaps as rookies too. I think it's fair to say if the young player is ready to play he will play under TC. They have to show it in practice and earn the coaches confidence.
Good News  
ZogZerg : 2/15/2015 1:00 pm : link
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Nice, this is hopefully the start of the cap purge  
Rjanyg : 2/15/2015 1:11 pm : link
I would expect Beason and Weatherford to restructure ( paycut next ). Cut Kiwi, Walton, Hosley, unless they let JPP walk, they may actually keep Kiwi. I'm guessing Hillis will be let to as well.

Adding Paea would be nice Plug in 3 Tech DT.
Jenkins is a good player still  
GiantsFan84 : 2/15/2015 1:14 pm : link
he's not as good he as once was but he still offers value. he was hurt last year causing his ineffectiveness, but the year before he was very good.

I don't think his play has slipped much, but you just have to hope he isn't at the age where his body is totally broken down causing he to not be able to stay healthy.
RE: I like Jenkins.  
giants#1 : 2/15/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12137264 Bones said:
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Glad he'll be here another year. Woul not be surprised if he drops a few pounds to fill in as a run stopping DE.


Doesn't need to drop lbs to do that. He's been doing that since he got here.
RE: Good move  
giants#1 : 2/15/2015 1:17 pm : link
In comment 12137267 SLIM_ said:
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SGMen - you forgot Wynn who showed more in a couple of games than Kuhn has shown in 3 seasons including specials (for both).

Jenkins is a solid rotational guy who didn't have a great year last year. We definitely need to get tougher in the front 7 but a lot of the run defense blame could be attributed to Fewell's schemes. He had fundamentally bad schemes in playing the option and utilizing 3 safeties often in non passing downs make it difficult to play the run.


Not a Fewell fan in the slightest, but to be fair we didn't exactly have the best options at LB.
RE: The Giants are at such an on field  
giants#1 : 2/15/2015 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12137300 arniefez said:
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And business disadvantage with a coaching staff that wants to red shirt rookies. Under the current CBA young cheap labor is the life blood of good NFL teams. Wasting a year or more of the rookie contract so that Vets feel like the rookies haven't been given anything or because the rookies are being asked to study so long they can't play is horrible business in every way. If a DT is the BPA and the Giants pass because they know the coach won't dress a rookie DT that's a real problem.


How can anyone still make this argument after a Giants rookie just had one of the top 2-3 rookie seasons ever for a WR and arguably the best season ever by a Giants WR?

Not too mention guys like Pugh, Richburg, Williams, and Kennard all seeing significant starts in the rookie seasons.
RE: Nice, this is hopefully the start of the cap purge  
giants#1 : 2/15/2015 1:24 pm : link
In comment 12137345 Rjanyg said:
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I would expect Beason and Weatherford to restructure ( paycut next ). Cut Kiwi, Walton, Hosley, unless they let JPP walk, they may actually keep Kiwi. I'm guessing Hillis will be let to as well.

Adding Paea would be nice Plug in 3 Tech DT.


Beason needs a paycut, not a restructure.

Kiwi should be an outright cut.

Hosley will be a camp invite as cutting him saves nothing.

I could see Walton getting a similar "restructure" deal to Jenkins, though I wouldn't give him anywhere close to the $325k roster bonus. But I think $100k in exchange for Walton slashing his base salary would work for the Giants. Basically it'd cost them an extra $100k in that scenario to bring him to camp for backup OL competition (hopefully Richburg wins OC outright)
wow  
area junc : 2/15/2015 1:32 pm : link
very surprised at this. he has become a coughlin guy in the lockerroom though. some veteran leadership
he is  
area junc : 2/15/2015 1:33 pm : link
a better fit in spags penetrating scheme tho, have 2 admit
Glad to hear this  
Mdgiantsfan : 2/15/2015 1:42 pm : link
Provides a decent rotation guy at a reasonable price this year.
RE: wow  
giants#1 : 2/15/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12137370 area junc said:
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very surprised at this. he has become a coughlin guy in the lockerroom though. some veteran leadership


Why are you surprised? He's a solid vet and even at last years level (if you don't give him a partial pass for being banged up), he's valuable as a 3rd/4th DT and as a big body that can slide out to DE in goalline/short yardage packages.

If he comes to camp and looks toast, they can still cut him. It'll cost $375k more than it would've but it's still a viable option.
Y28 +1  
JonC : 2/15/2015 2:21 pm : link
sign Paea.
RE: Cofield  
JonC : 2/15/2015 2:22 pm : link
you guys are like my 90 year old grandmother with Alzheimer's, geezus let it go already.
No one has mentioned Kerry Wynn  
Earl the goat : 2/15/2015 2:39 pm : link
He will make the team and be valuable in the rotation. Especially since Ayers isn't healthy and kiwi should be a cap casualty
Emil  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/15/2015 2:49 pm : link
No. Jenkins played for Green Bay against us in the NFC Championship Game in '07 when Spags was here. I believe Jenkins arrived in Philly with the rest of the "Dream Team" in '11.
RE: RE: wow  
area junc : 2/15/2015 3:02 pm : link
In comment 12137396 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12137370 area junc said:


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very surprised at this. he has become a coughlin guy in the lockerroom though. some veteran leadership



Why are you surprised? He's a solid vet and even at last years level (if you don't give him a partial pass for being banged up), he's valuable as a 3rd/4th DT and as a big body that can slide out to DE in goalline/short yardage packages.

If he comes to camp and looks toast, they can still cut him. It'll cost $375k more than it would've but it's still a viable option.



Im surprised because the restructure barely saves any $$$ and cutting him outright would have saved a lot more - both real + cap $$$.

They are still paying him as a starter. If u study the contracts they give to their #3 vet DT its what they paid mike patterson , vet min

This move tells me they still see jenkins ss a starter which, yes, surprises me considering his age and play last year
Well,  
Doomster : 2/15/2015 3:06 pm : link
RE: The Giants are at such an on field
Emil : 12:59 pm : link : reply
In comment 12137300 arniefez said:
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And business disadvantage with a coaching staff that wants to red shirt rookies. Under the current CBA young cheap labor is the life blood of good NFL teams. Wasting a year or more of the rookie contract so that Vets feel like the rookies haven't been given anything or because the rookies are being asked to study so long they can't play is horrible business in every way. If a DT is the BPA and the Giants pass because they know the coach won't dress a rookie DT that's a real problem.


redshirting rookies like OBJ, Kennard, Richburgh, Pugh, Andre Williams and Jaquan Williams? Kiwanuka, Bradshaw, and Steve Smith all played significant snaps as rookies too. I think it's fair to say if the young player is ready to play he will play under TC. They have to show it in practice and earn the coaches confidence.


Do you or do you not, expect you #12 draft choice to start, when your #1 has just left?
Why did Richburg start? Because of an injury....
Why did Kennard play? Because of an injury....
Why did JW play? because of an injury....
Why did Williams get so much playing time? Because of two injuries...
Why did Pugh start his first year? Because of an injury....

These guys, outside of Beckham, we not pencilled in to be starters.....they were out the more or less because TC was forced to use them due to injuries...
Jenkins now occupies the Mike Patterson / Rocky Bernard spot...  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/15/2015 3:10 pm : link
...and will be paid accordingly. No surprise there. Essentially, he's making about $1.4MM, which is rotational money. The remaining $667K in unamortized signing bonus was a sunk cost anyway.

Too early to say what this means for Jay Bromley, because we don't know what kind of move the Giants have in mind for the space they are freeing up. If there isn't a significant UFA signing at DT, we can assume Bromley is penciled in as a starter next to Hankins, no matter what happens in the draft.
Left side of the line killed  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 2/15/2015 3:48 pm : link
This team vs the run. He was a big part of it, hopefully this cut makes him just a rotational guy on passing downs.
RE: Well,  
Emil : 2/15/2015 4:14 pm : link
In comment 12137457 Doomster said:
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RE: The Giants are at such an on field
Emil : 12:59 pm : link : reply
In comment 12137300 arniefez said:
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And business disadvantage with a coaching staff that wants to red shirt rookies. Under the current CBA young cheap labor is the life blood of good NFL teams. Wasting a year or more of the rookie contract so that Vets feel like the rookies haven't been given anything or because the rookies are being asked to study so long they can't play is horrible business in every way. If a DT is the BPA and the Giants pass because they know the coach won't dress a rookie DT that's a real problem.


redshirting rookies like OBJ, Kennard, Richburgh, Pugh, Andre Williams and Jaquan Williams? Kiwanuka, Bradshaw, and Steve Smith all played significant snaps as rookies too. I think it's fair to say if the young player is ready to play he will play under TC. They have to show it in practice and earn the coaches confidence.


Do you or do you not, expect you #12 draft choice to start, when your #1 has just left?
Why did Richburg start? Because of an injury....
Why did Kennard play? Because of an injury....
Why did JW play? because of an injury....
Why did Williams get so much playing time? Because of two injuries...
Why did Pugh start his first year? Because of an injury....

These guys, outside of Beckham, we not pencilled in to be starters.....they were out the more or less because TC was forced to use them due to injuries...



I don't recall JW playing because of injury. He was one of the few 3 down LBs on the team. Even with all that he is still above average at best.

Pugh started because Diehl retired and he started from week 1.

Kennard was hurt half the season and then came on. So the injury comment works both ways.

Just because OBJ was drafted #12 didn't mean he was going to get a starting job. Draft position doesn't mean anything if you can't win the job. Luckily he was more than up to the task.

I notice you didn't mention Andre Williams who was a big part of the run game plan from day 1.

Rookies have to earn it and they get a fair shake under TC. I think some fans expect rookies to come in and be given the upper hand in the competition. That's not how it works. Veterans know the system which gives them a huge leg up on the rookies. Most rookies don't make an impact until 6+ weeks into the season.
We are drafting another DT  
spike : 2/15/2015 5:11 pm : link
this year.. yet again.

We should've paid for Linval.
RE: We are drafting another DT  
Emil : 2/15/2015 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12137576 spike said:
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this year.. yet again.

We should've paid for Linval.


Yes we are, but we did last year too.

Linval has done very little in Minnesota to justify the contract they gave him. 47 tackles, 3 sacks

Very happy with Hankins, who I think is the better player.
51 tackles 7 sacks
hope Giants#1  
fkap : 2/15/2015 5:20 pm : link
11:30 is a close summation of events. restructuring is bad, bad, and then bad again....unless it's a pay cut.
Giants#1  
Rjanyg : 2/15/2015 5:40 pm : link
I mean paycut for Beason. I don't think the Giants are outright cutting Kiwi until they have re-signed JPP or franchised him. I agree we need an upgrade at DE but I have no idea what Reese thinks. He should be cut.

Hosley has done nothing to warrant being around. His $600,000 in salary can be put to better use. I bet Bennett Jackson will provide more next year than Hosley will. A waste of a 3rd round pick.

This can't be a restructuring  
BillT : 2/15/2015 5:52 pm : link
Jenkins is in the last year of his deal. It's a paycut.
Aren't these deals almost never paycuts?  
Matt M. : 2/15/2015 6:36 pm : link
They end up reducing salary, usually, and increasing bonus money. How would it work to simply cut his pay in the final year of a contract? What is the purpose of a contract then?
Unless, as someone suggested  
Matt M. : 2/15/2015 6:40 pm : link
he was threatened to be cut if he didn't take a paycut. I like the idea of reducing his pay. But, I don't like this in practice because it spits in the face of the purpose of a contract.
Matt M: In effect, he was cut and re-signed for $1.4MM.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/15/2015 6:53 pm : link
Both sides just agreed to skip the part where he tests the market, because - unlike Rocky Bernard - Jenkins knew he wasn't going to do much better than what the Giants were offering.
Sounds like he gptt a $250K guarantee included in that $375K  
yatqb : 2/15/2015 6:58 pm : link
roster bonus. So at worst he costs us $1.4ish, and if cut $250K. Pretty good compromise, I'd say. (Source was Rannan, didn't see if it was meentioned above.)
And that is just the point.....  
Doomster : 2/15/2015 8:42 pm : link
RE: We are drafting another DT
Emil : 5:18 pm : link : reply
In comment 12137576 spike said:
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this year.. yet again.

We should've paid for Linval.


Yes we are, but we did last year too.

Linval has done very little in Minnesota to justify the contract they gave him. 47 tackles, 3 sacks

Very happy with Hankins, who I think is the better player.
51 tackles 7 sacks......


Those were Linval's lowest stats for the last three years....think playing for a different team/system had anything to do with it? The question is, how much did he want and what was the Giants offer? If the difference was around 1M per, should they have bit the bullet and been set for the next four years, and not have had to use that 3rd round pick on a DT? Should they have cut Jenkins and used that money on LJ? Would Linval be more of a gamble at 6M or JPP at 14-15M?

We knew we would have to overpay for LJ, or else have a plan in place....it wasn't much of a plan....
Blogger  
Matt M. : 2/15/2015 9:10 pm : link
That does make sense. What was he scheduled to make this year (not overal cap hit, but salary)?
RE: And that is just the point.....  
Emil : 2/15/2015 9:42 pm : link
In comment 12137777 Doomster said:
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RE: We are drafting another DT
Emil : 5:18 pm : link : reply
In comment 12137576 spike said:
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this year.. yet again.

We should've paid for Linval.


Yes we are, but we did last year too.

Linval has done very little in Minnesota to justify the contract they gave him. 47 tackles, 3 sacks

Very happy with Hankins, who I think is the better player.
51 tackles 7 sacks......


Those were Linval's lowest stats for the last three years....think playing for a different team/system had anything to do with it? The question is, how much did he want and what was the Giants offer? If the difference was around 1M per, should they have bit the bullet and been set for the next four years, and not have had to use that 3rd round pick on a DT? Should they have cut Jenkins and used that money on LJ? Would Linval be more of a gamble at 6M or JPP at 14-15M?

We knew we would have to overpay for LJ, or else have a plan in place....it wasn't much of a plan....


You call Jonathan Hankins not much of plan? Cheaper, younger, and better. Sounds like a damn good plan to me.
Matt M: Jenkins would have made about $2.2MM this year.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/16/2015 7:43 am : link
Knocking that number down to ~$1.4MM produces cap savings in the neighborhood of $800K.

At his reduced price, CJ provides relatively cheap insurance against things not breaking the Giants' way in other areas:
- Free agency;
- The draft;
- Bromley's development;
- Injuries.

The small amount of up-front/guaranteed money is a trivial price to pay. In order for Jenkins to get bumped off the roster (taking into account his cheap salary), so many other things will have to go right that the Giants will be happy to send him off with a six-figure parting gift.
I believe a "restructure" is any change to the current contract  
Scyber : 2/16/2015 7:54 am : link
that doesn't change the length of the contract. That includes pay cuts as well as converting future salary to a bonus. Straight pay cuts have no future cap implications, converting salary to bonus is what causes issues with dead money/salary cap in the future.
No....  
Doomster : 2/16/2015 7:58 am : link
We knew we would have to overpay for LJ, or else have a plan in place....it wasn't much of a plan....


You call Jonathan Hankins not much of plan? Cheaper, younger, and better. Sounds like a damn good plan to me.

Their plan was to have Hankins team up with the aging duo of Jenkins/Patterson.....the better plan would have been LJ and Hankins.......and use that 3rd round pick elsewhere...
So  
Emil : 2/16/2015 8:05 am : link
How do you afford LJ, Hankins, and JPP on the front 4. Especially when you sign DRC and want to lock Prince up long term. You have to take risk somewhere and spending a 3rd round pick on 3 Tech DT is smart money. I might be in the minority but I have zero issue with the Giants approach to the DT position. I wouldn't have given Joseph the contract Minnesota gave him either. You can't have well paid players at every position.

This draft is also pretty deep at the DT spot and the Giants will take advantage of that.
RE: hope Giants#1  
giants#1 : 2/16/2015 8:13 am : link
In comment 12137580 fkap said:
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11:30 is a close summation of events. restructuring is bad, bad, and then bad again....unless it's a pay cut.


It's technically a "restructure" only because they gave him a slight bump in new guaranteed money in terms of a $375k roster bonus. But for all intents and purposes this was a paycut.

The typical restructurings are bad because they'll take make higher base salaries, convert a decent chunk to a guaranteed bonus, and then spread that over the remaining years of the deal rather than just biting the bullet and cutting the player sooner. So you reduce the current years hit, but if the player is really declining (e.g. Diehl), you make it more painful in the out-years.
But.......  
Doomster : 2/16/2015 10:10 am : link
So
Emil : 8:05 am : link : reply
How do you afford LJ, Hankins, and JPP on the front 4. Especially when you sign DRC and want to lock Prince up long term. You have to take risk somewhere and spending a 3rd round pick on 3 Tech DT is smart money. I might be in the minority but I have zero issue with the Giants approach to the DT position. I wouldn't have given Joseph the contract Minnesota gave him either. You can't have well paid players at every position.

This draft is also pretty deep at the DT spot and the Giants will take advantage of that.


I have no idea what the Giants offered LJ or how close they were...fact is they weakened the DL with the loss of Tuck and LJ....They overpaid Beason, who had a questionable history of staying on the field.....Teams ran on the Giants this year because of this week defensive line....Picking Bromley in the 3rd is not the answer to fixing the line....and having to use another draft pick for another DT is a waste when you had one on your team to begin with...

Of all the free agent players we signed or resigned last year, how many made big contributions this season? The same front office is in place making the same decisions again....
Giants have had  
djm : 2/16/2015 11:00 am : link
some of the best rookie performances in NFL history under Coughlin's watch. Yet some of you insist on proclaiming that Coughlin refuses to play rookies.

Again, The Giants have fielded some of the greatest rookie performances of ALL TIME under Coughlin. Beckham broke new ground on NFL WR rookie play. The entire 2007 class is forever etched in NFL lore....and there is plenty more...JFC for the love of everything holy shut the fuck up already.

Just because a 2nd year player emerges after being benched his rookie year doesn't mean the guy was ready to play during that rookie year. Maybe a few guys would have swam rather than sank early on but all in all Coughlin had proven to be more than worthy in terms of identifying which players should and shouldn't play.

Find another thing to complain about with Coughlin.
Emil +1  
JonC : 2/16/2015 11:04 am : link
and if Hankins continues to play this well and get better, he'll earn a second contract from NYG.
back on topic  
djm : 2/16/2015 11:05 am : link
I still question whether Reese will sign a guy like Peae (sp) this off-season. He's essentially a very similar player to Joseph---unless he is signed for bargain rates I think Reese would prefer to sign a guy that can rush the passer and disrupt opposing offenses.

IF Reese signs a plugger type at DT for anything close to what Joseph signed for i'd be shocked. Reese would have just kept Joseph here.

I think he's gonna make a strong play for a guy like McPhee. Comes from a good organization that builds strong players and he's a disruptive player that can line up all over the DL. McPhee doesn't have the prototypical size so I am not sure if the Giants would view him as a legit player for this defense but if they do in fact think he can slide into this defense, I think he's gonna get a big offer from Reese.
I should say  
djm : 2/16/2015 11:10 am : link
Paea seems to be a similar player to Joseph..?

I don't know much about him but from what I have read here Paea is a plugger...

We aren't spending big money on a lesser version of Linval Joseph.

a pricey pass rusher  
JonC : 2/16/2015 11:11 am : link
is more likely than a pricey block-eating DT.

JonC: Re your 11:04 - I think by letting Cofield and Joseph walk...  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/16/2015 11:42 am : link
...Reese has opened the door to the inference that he doesn't value defensive tackles. Like you, I think that inference is a big stretch.

I read the history the same way you do: if Cofield or Joseph had become a significant factor in the pass rush, the Giants would have done everything possible to retain them. The player Cofield was in 2011, and Joseph in 2014, was simply worth more to teams that put a higher value on two-gap DTs. So they got more money elsewhere than it made sense for NYG to pay. Hankins is on track to become a more diverse asset, and one Reese will probably pay up to retain.
RE: JonC: Re your 11:04 - I think by letting Cofield and Joseph walk...  
Big Blue '56 : 2/16/2015 11:43 am : link
In comment 12138351 Big Blue Blogger said:
Quote:
...Reese has opened the door to the inference that he doesn't value defensive tackles. Like you, I think that inference is a big stretch.

I read the history the same way you do: if Cofield or Joseph had become a significant factor in the pass rush, the Giants would have done everything possible to retain them. The player Cofield was in 2011, and Joseph in 2014, was simply worth more to teams that put a higher value on two-gap DTs. So they got more money elsewhere than it made sense for NYG to pay. Hankins is on track to become a more diverse asset, and one Reese will probably pay up to retain.


B3, agreed
If reese didn't value defensive tackles, he'd stop drafting them  
Ten Ton Hammer : 2/16/2015 11:43 am : link
in the second round.
Doomster  
TMS : 2/16/2015 11:47 am : link
Your 10:10 post is right on the money. This crap of always comparing Joseph to Hankins as a way of justifying his release is just that. LJ should have been kept to pair with Hankins and to keep the front that had us top ten in defense (especially against the run). We would have saved the third round pick (Bromley) and not be scrambling for a DT again this year. You need two top DTs we only have one so far.
Cubed  
JonC : 2/16/2015 11:51 am : link
Agree completely. I think Reese prefers to draft DTs in the second round or later, relative to the high bust rate in the first round, and because it's not a premium talent position like DE or CB. I think he would pay the second contract if they're living up to the price with overall performance. But, with limited draft resources and playing with a salary cap, he has to prioritize along both paths of personnel.
RE: a pricey pass rusher  
giants#1 : 2/16/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12138301 JonC said:
Quote:
is more likely than a pricey block-eating DT.


I wonder if they look at Melton. He was pretty solid in the pass pressure dept for Dallas last year. Though that would (on paper) appear to create a log jam with Jenkins, Bromley, and Melton having similar styles and no true backup for Hankins.
I dunno  
JonC : 2/16/2015 12:26 pm : link
Paea is the first player who comes to mind, given their draft interest in him. They typically don't spend big on a DT unless they feel the player will juice up the pass rush, as Canty did.

I'd heard at the time two doctors red flagged Paea's knee, so Reese changed gears and swung at Marvin Austin instead.
.  
giants#1 : 2/16/2015 12:45 pm : link
1. I don't think Melton will command big $$. I'd be surprised if he got anywhere close to what LJ got
2. He would juice up the pass rush. He struggles (according to PFF at least) against the run though.
Given their struggles versus the run  
JonC : 2/16/2015 12:59 pm : link
and trying to re-establish basic fundamental football, I'd prefer a DT who is stout versus the run. But, their DT signings ring more of cheap signings in recent seasons.
RE: Given their struggles versus the run  
giants#1 : 2/16/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12138464 JonC said:
Quote:
and trying to re-establish basic fundamental football, I'd prefer a DT who is stout versus the run. But, their DT signings ring more of cheap signings in recent seasons.


That's why I question whether they'd be interested in Melton. Had Jenkins been cut I think Melton would've been a big target.

Big Jenkins fan  
NYG4246 : 2/17/2015 3:45 pm : link
really underrated player who doesnt flash the numbers but plays well vs the run and gets fairly consistent pressure.
His daughters get to finish high school where they started.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/17/2015 4:06 pm : link
Jenkins made a lot of money in Green Bay and Philly, and has added nicely to his bankroll in his final chapter with the Giants. He doesn't need to squeeze the last nickel out of his fading talent. Seems like he has his priorities in order as his career winds down. Easy guy to root for, and a heck of a player in his prime.
He should help in a reduced rotational role  
Big Blue '56 : 2/17/2015 4:15 pm : link
in lieu of the major minutes his body endured
Giants do have tendency to draft DT in R2  
bc4life : 2/17/2015 4:59 pm : link
How about Carl Davis from Iowa?
I saw Cullen today.....  
Fishmanjim57 : 2/19/2015 8:47 pm : link
I thanked him for the restructuring agreement. He told me that he's in the league for a long time and that he doesn't mind taking a bit of a pay cut so that his team can resign some of the free agents.
He's an awesome guy, and still looks like a football player in his street clothes.
I wished him the best of luck for the next season, and asked him to kill the Eagles! He smiled, and said he'll do his best!
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