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Replacing David Wilson

YANKEE28 : 2/16/2015 9:56 am
Next week at the Combine, the 3 runners with the fastest 40 time will each be given a Porsche 911 Carrera, each valued at $83,000 and courtesy of Adidas sports.

A pretty nice gift, but unfortunately, the fastest college player who will be drafted this year won't be at the Combines to compete for one of those prizes.

That player is running back Corey Grant of Auburn. Grant has had a college career that just never materialized as planned. He started out at Alabama, following a spectacular high school career. After a year at Alabama, he agreed to sit out for an entire year, so that he could transfer to Auburn.

While he had some highlight reel plays, he primarily was a change of pace for Tre Mason, rather than their every down back. Grant averaged an amazing 9.8 yards per carry in 2013, good for 647 yards.

2014 was expected to be different, but most of the carries went to Cameron Artis-Payne. Grant finished the year with 364 yards on 60 carries and 10 receptions for another 92 yards. While Grant was Auburn's top kickoff returner, he just wasn't featured as expected in their offense.

Though most draft boards don't show Grant in the top 20 of running backs, there is no doubt he will be drafted. The Auburn Pro Day is March 3rd. There is YouTube video of him running the 40 in 4.18. Looking at any game video of Grant, the similarities to David Wilson are there.

Corey Grant is a very intelligent, well grounded player. He has NFL size at 5'11 and 205 lbs. Lightening quick and perhaps that change of pace back needed to offset Jennings, Williams, and Darkwa.

In the upcoming draft, this very classy kid will not be taken in Rounds 1-4. But some team is going to get a talented very explosive 3rd running back in either Round 5,6, or 7 that will add a true speed dimension to their offense. Mark down March 3rd and the Auburn Pro Day. That's when the draft talk buzz starts for Auburn running back Corey Grant.
Bit of a red flag  
BlueManFu : 2/16/2015 10:13 am : link
That after a promising season as a role player behind Tre Mason, his carries went down and his yards per carry were way down from the season prior. He didn't get better, and the coaches didn't see fit to give him additional playing time even with less competition at RB.

Any Auburn or SEC fans know why this guy didn't get more of an opportunity in '14? While the freak speed is always enticing, if the guy is not a football player he is certainly not a useful pro (remember Tim Carter)?
He is fast but not 4.2 fast.  
robbieballs2003 : 2/16/2015 10:15 am : link
I don't see it.
Good find Yankee28  
Coach Mason : 2/16/2015 10:16 am : link
Reese has been fairly adept at unearthing the under the radar players especially at Running Back. Bradshaw, Jacobs as prime examples. Patty seems to think David Johnson is in the mix. And I would agree as he seems to be a very well rounded back.

I haven't seen this kid you've mentioned but he sounds intriguing. Our scouting department is one of the most thorough in the business. If he has a good grade he'lol be in the mix too for sure
^  
ColHowPepper : 2/16/2015 10:24 am : link
"Reese has been fairly adept at unearthing the under the radar players especially at Running Back. Bradshaw, Jacobs as prime examples."

A frequent comment re. Reese's supposed acumen, but Bradshaw was widely considered a 2nd or 3rd round talent and very conspicuously dropped to 7th because of his off-field shenanigans (iirc, stealing a dorm mate's DVD player). I credit Reese with making the pick after all other teams stayed away, but not with any acumen in turning up gems in low rounds. Whether this has been Reese or Ross primarily, it's been sparse hunting for the Giants since 2007.
I'm curious why he's essentially failed at two big college programs  
JonC : 2/16/2015 10:28 am : link
My first instinct is perhaps he struggles with adversity, competition, etc. Very common for high school stars to fail to rise above once they're surrounded by similar talent, it only becomes more severe in the NFL.
JonC  
YANKEE28 : 2/16/2015 10:38 am : link
Valid questions.

Actually he and RB Dee Hart (Colorado State) both were at Alabama and left. They are training together now in Tennessee.

Their isn't an NFL scout that doesn't know who Corey Grant is, and certainly knows more of those answers. Calling him a "find" is inaccurate.

I just think that if he is used properly, he is a guy that every defense needs to account for when he is on the field. I think we have 3 solid running backs, but they are in many ways similar. A guy like Grant might be that perfect change of pace.

RE: ^  
Jesse B : 2/16/2015 10:38 am : link
In comment 12138229 ColHowPepper said:
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"Reese has been fairly adept at unearthing the under the radar players especially at Running Back. Bradshaw, Jacobs as prime examples."

A frequent comment re. Reese's supposed acumen, but Bradshaw was widely considered a 2nd or 3rd round talent and very conspicuously dropped to 7th because of his off-field shenanigans (iirc, stealing a dorm mate's DVD player). I credit Reese with making the pick after all other teams stayed away, but not with any acumen in turning up gems in low rounds. Whether this has been Reese or Ross primarily, it's been sparse hunting for the Giants since 2007.


Bradshaw was under 200 pounds and ran a 4.55 40 yard dash and was productive, but at Marshall. And I can't find anything that projected him higher than the 5th round, but maybe I'm missing something.

How many sub 200 pound guys who run 4.55 40 yard dashes go in the first three rounds though? Very few.
Here is a run  
YANKEE28 : 2/16/2015 10:49 am : link
by Corey Grant worth watching vs LSU
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Y28  
JonC : 2/16/2015 10:50 am : link
Thank you for putting him on our radar.

Bradshaw apparently had a ~4th round grade, iirc.
if the fastest players  
PaulBlakeTSU : 2/16/2015 10:57 am : link
aren't good at other parts of football, that is going to be a hefty prize tax.
RE: RE: ^  
Coach Mason : 2/16/2015 11:05 am : link
In comment 12138241 Jesse B said:
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In comment 12138229 ColHowPepper said:


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"Reese has been fairly adept at unearthing the under the radar players especially at Running Back. Bradshaw, Jacobs as prime examples."

A frequent comment re. Reese's supposed acumen, but Bradshaw was widely considered a 2nd or 3rd round talent and very conspicuously dropped to 7th because of his off-field shenanigans (iirc, stealing a dorm mate's DVD player). I credit Reese with making the pick after all other teams stayed away, but not with any acumen in turning up gems in low rounds. Whether this has been Reese or Ross primarily, it's been sparse hunting for the Giants since 2007.



Bradshaw was under 200 pounds and ran a 4.55 40 yard dash and was productive, but at Marshall. And I can't find anything that projected him higher than the 5th round, but maybe I'm missing something.

How many sub 200 pound guys who run 4.55 40 yard dashes go in the first three rounds though? Very few.


Bradshaw from what I remember, was an intriguing prospect but without the superior measurables and from a smaller school. Throw in the character red flags and no team wanted him. Giants did their thorough search (which they usually do with players with talent that pique their interest) and from what I understand, spoke to and found him to be remorseful & ready to turn the page from his past mistakes.

He was a bit of a find in that he wasn't a kid likely top go top 3 even without the character stuff.
Personally I'd rather the Giants get FA speedy, pass catching RB  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/16/2015 11:33 am : link
There's some potentially good ones available:

CJ Spiller
Roy Helu
Daren McFadden
Ryan Matthews
Antone Smith
Jacquizz Rodgers

These guys have injury issues, but they might come at a good price. A guy like Matthews could be good if the Giants use him correctly, not try to make him a workhorse like SD did. He clearly doesn't have the durability for that, but maybe he would be good as a 10-touch per game guy.
NFL FAs by Position - ( New Window )
Antone Smith  
BlueManFu : 2/16/2015 11:36 am : link
Could be an intriguing, low cost option. Pass catching, home run threat that at one point this past season had several games (5+ I believe) with long TD plays. Under the radar option as a change of pace RB that this team needs...
Ryan Matthews  
mrvax : 2/16/2015 11:44 am : link
has had 2 1000+ yd seasons. He may be too pricey.
Coach, It's true Ahmad didn't grade out  
ColHowPepper : 2/16/2015 11:47 am : link
as a classic mid-round pick, and from a smaller program as you say, so kudos for taking him, but he was ranked way higher than where he was selected; as we found out, he was a really good football player, one of my favorites ever.

But it gets under my skin to ballyhoo Reese as such a talent picker when the Giants' drafts have been so-unproductive (hits and misses @2nd and below that, a wasteland, by and large).

My opinion is that he was a much better scout--and AB may have come in on his radar before being annointed as EA's successor) than he is a GM. Maybe he's hired the wrong director of college scouting.
RE: Coach, It's true Ahmad didn't grade out  
Coach Mason : 2/16/2015 11:57 am : link
In comment 12138359 ColHowPepper said:
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as a classic mid-round pick, and from a smaller program as you say, so kudos for taking him, but he was ranked way higher than where he was selected; as we found out, he was a really good football player, one of my favorites ever.

But it gets under my skin to ballyhoo Reese as such a talent picker when the Giants' drafts have been so-unproductive (hits and misses @2nd and below that, a wasteland, by and large).

My opinion is that he was a much better scout--and AB may have come in on his radar before being annointed as EA's successor) than he is a GM. Maybe he's hired the wrong director of college scouting.


He was one of the best scouts I know. But I also think he is a great GM. Reese stayed very involved with the top pick throughout (we really haven't missed there) and I do believe he was more involved last year with the draft lower rounds (as much as a his full GM duties would allow).

I am not a huge Ross fan to be honest.

I tend to blame an evaluator more when a pick busts due to lack of talent more than character or injury. Reese has nailed a bunch of guys who have legit NFL talent but injuries are what did many of them in.
Great year to pick a back  
Phil in LA : 2/16/2015 12:03 pm : link
should be able to get a good one.
Is he another  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/16/2015 12:07 pm : link
Da'Rel Scott? Speed isn't everything although it sure helps.
RBs don't get the pub that WRs do anymore  
Coach Mason : 2/16/2015 12:11 pm : link
Due to the emphasis on the passing game . However this draft is loaded with some really good RBs and a bunch of potential dynamic pass catching ones.

With Williams in the fold, I want one with some sneaky good pass catching potential come round 2 or later.
Speaking of which to replace David  
Coach Mason : 2/16/2015 12:27 pm : link
I really like another David. David Johnson from UNI.

One of the most well rounded backs who could be available round 4 or 5. Patty seems to think he could go undrafted but I think he's got too good production and tape not to get picked up in the draft. Not a burner but could be a better version of Jennings.
RE: Good find Yankee28  
dguy901 : 2/16/2015 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12138214 Coach Mason said:
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Reese has been fairly adept at unearthing the under the radar players especially at Running Back. Bradshaw, Jacobs as prime examples. Patty seems to think David Johnson is in the mix. And I would agree as he seems to be a very well rounded back.

I haven't seen this kid you've mentioned but he sounds intriguing. Our scouting department is one of the most thorough in the business. If he has a good grade he'lol be in the mix too for sure

I expect a later round pick, Marcus Murphy, to get a shot in NY.
Give me  
NYBEN1963 : 2/16/2015 3:15 pm : link
Duke Johnson or the kid from Nebraska that won the senior bowl MVP ...his name escapes me right not sorry
Ameer  
NYBEN1963 : 2/16/2015 3:16 pm : link
Abdullah
dguy901  
YANKEE28 : 2/16/2015 3:40 pm : link
Good point about Marcus Murphy. What I really like about him is that he was both the kickoff returner and the punt returner for Missouri. In the Florida game, he ran both a kickoff and a punt back for TD's.
I'd rather get Spiller in FA and use our picks on lineman  
PatersonPlank : 2/16/2015 4:44 pm : link
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RE: I'd rather get Spiller in FA and use our picks on lineman  
NYBEN1963 : 2/16/2015 5:00 pm : link
In comment 12138725 PatersonPlank said:
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You want to use all the picks on lineman? The team needs to get younger ,faster and more explosive. Over paying for a free agent RB will not help this team as much long term as finding a good change of pace back in the 2nd to 4th round
Winning teams win in the trenches  
PatersonPlank : 2/16/2015 5:31 pm : link
Yes I'd rather solve the backup RB/3rd down back opening via FA and focus the quality picks on the trenches (and maybe LB).
Again  
djm : 2/16/2015 10:30 pm : link
It's a good draft for RBs. Why would you not draft one.
idk if you remember correctly  
NYG4246 : 2/17/2015 3:40 pm : link
but besides a game vs the saints (historically bad D) and a game vs the eagles (another bad team) wilson did nothing wiht the Giants. Speed guys cant run between the tackles for the most part....why would you want another sppeed guy?
RE: Personally I'd rather the Giants get FA speedy, pass catching RB  
NYG4246 : 2/17/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12138338 sb from NYT Forum said:
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There's some potentially good ones available:

CJ Spiller
Roy Helu
Daren McFadden
Ryan Matthews
Antone Smith
Jacquizz Rodgers

These guys have injury issues, but they might come at a good price. A guy like Matthews could be good if the Giants use him correctly, not try to make him a workhorse like SD did. He clearly doesn't have the durability for that, but maybe he would be good as a 10-touch per game guy. NFL FAs by Position - ( New Window )



completely agree
Better to go FA for a fast RB  
brian : 2/17/2015 5:02 pm : link
Rookies have trouble picking up blitzes. Eli needs more rather than less protection.
Duke Johnson  
bigfish703 : 2/17/2015 8:33 pm : link
Impressed me very much when I watched him. He especially shows tremendous acceleration after breaking through the hole. I also noticed that he has great elusiveness in the open field when compared with Tevin Coleman, who seems to have only straight-ahead speed. That will not get Coleman by NFL safeties, and for that reason he will probably have fewer opportunities for long runs than he did in college.

Johnson is a all-around back, who can pass block and catch passes. His only drawback is his size, which is listed at 5"9' and 209 #. For that reason I do not see him as an every-down back, because it would probably wear him down, but it seems to me that he would be a perfect change of pace from power backs like Jennings and Williams. who are what the Giants have now.

For some reason, perhaps his size, he is only rated #5 RB by some experts and so might still be available in the third or even fourth round. Have any of you seen him, and if so what is your opinion?
Duke would look great in Blue  
JonC : 2/17/2015 8:35 pm : link
but he's probably a second rounder, we'd have to grab him at #40.
RE: Speaking of which to replace David  
Stupendamatic : 2/17/2015 8:44 pm : link
In comment 12138443 Coach Mason said:
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I really like another David. David Johnson from UNI.

One of the most well rounded backs who could be available round 4 or 5. Patty seems to think he could go undrafted but I think he's got too good production and tape not to get picked up in the draft. Not a burner but could be a better version of Jennings.


She's nuts if she believes that.

I would love to see David Johsnon with the Giants. He reminds me a lot of Le'Veon Bell.
Stupend  
Coach Mason : 2/17/2015 9:13 pm : link
really curious to see his 3-cone and 40. At 6-3 229 if he's got above average times, it would really elevate him in my book.
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Ryan in Albany : 2/23/2015 3:39 pm : link
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Before anyone even thinks it  
djm : 2/23/2015 9:01 pm : link
Fuck no.
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