I haven't seen much discussion about WR Dorial Green-Beckham on this board. Based on talent alone we are talking about a potential top 10 pick. Green-Beckham is 6'6" with 4.4-4.5 speed which is incredibly rare for a player of his size. He has been compared to AJ Green by some draft sites. Obviously the main concern with Green-Beckham is his arrest for drug possession and his dismissal from the University of Missouri.
Now what round if any would you be willing to draft Green-Beckham? I am sure many people will say that the Giants would never go anywhere near this guy and mention last years draft strategy of drafting high character team captains. However, maybe the Giants would risk taking a chance on a rare talent if they believe he could stay clean off the field if he were to join a stable organization. I would love to get Sy's opinion on Green-Beckham as well. Personally I believe he will be a Seahawk especially if he falls to them in round 2. Pete Carroll loves to take a chance on players with off the field issues but he has been able to keep them focused on football.
Phillips, for one. Said Mayock: “Back surgery two years ago, only started 16 games in college, but he’s a dancing bear, and he’ll probably go in the first round.” Then there’s the “poster child for boom or bust—Dorial Green-Beckham,” Mayock said. Green-Beckham played two seasons at Missouri, was arrested on marijuana charges twice at Missouri, was dismissed from the team in April 2014, transferred to Oklahoma, was not granted eligibility for the 2014 season, then declared for the draft last month. At 6-5 and 225 pounds, he can run a 4.4 40-yard dash, and some team just might risk a low first-round pick on him. “I watched every target to him in 2013, and he has no idea what he’s doing, but he changes games,” said Mayock. Finally, another tall pass-catcher, the 6-5, 230-pound Devin Funchess of Michigan. Might be a big receiver, a la Kelvin Benjamin, or an athletic tight end who can put on 15 pounds. We’ll see."
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Couple that with Boylehart
"We all know about Dorial’s off field problems, but he also has some issues that will come back to haunt him if he can’t improve them at the next level on the field. First, he is too smart for his own good. He is a lazy route runner because of the competition that he goes up against. He can get big time separation because of his long stride, but prefers not to bother. When he makes his cuts, instead of exploding out of them, he glides. He can disappear if the play against him gets physical. Ask him to run a quick slant on third and short, and he has those pesky alligator arms. Unless he is running a deep route, Dorial wants the ball before the defense gets to him and not in traffic unless it’s in the red zone. Against single coverage, Dorial excels, but add a hard hitting safety to the coverage and Dorial prefers the ball go to the other side of the field."
Hard to take him at the top of the first round, no matter how talented he is. So one will take a chance on him - of course there is a chance he blows himself up between now and the draft.
Even if you were to get this kid on the right track it will take a while for him to grasp an NFL offense. Though with that type of talent once he gets it even a little , he could impact as early as year 2 with flashes in year 1.
Still too much risk for 9 though IMO.
Even if you were to get this kid on the right track it will take a while for him to grasp an NFL offense. Though with that type of talent once he gets it even a little , he could impact as early as year 2 with flashes in year 1.
I would never take him a #9 but if he were there in round 2 and the Giants didn't draft a WR in round 1 or sign a legit starting WR in free agency then I would take the chance on this kid. You're right he will most likely not contribute right away but year two the Giants would have two great receivers that would give defensive coordinators nightmares.
Still too much risk for 9 though IMO.
^^^ This.... Not sure why people only talk about the drugs. He was dismissed for a much more serious offense than weed. With the way the NFL is cracking down on any kind of violence he will not be taken in the first or 2nd round IMO. A team may reach in the 3rd, but my guess is he falls hard on draft day.
Domestic violence would be though. Smoking pot is one thing. Not much different than having a beer, really. But owning a disposition that makes hitting women a viable response to getting angry? At the very least it shows a serious lack of impulse control. Throw in his youth and an exorbitant amount of money and you're likely heading towards a combustible situation. Kid may very well need the Dez Bryant Nanny Special.
Final thoughts: no thanks. Too many needs to take on such a risk, especially for a team that doesn't exactly have a strong nucleus of vets in the locker room. First, second, or third round, gimme a guy who is less talented but will work his ass off. It's much more likely the less talented player develops and takes the next step than it is DGB gets his head on straight.
Talent wise, very possibly. But his domestic abuse allegations with him dragging a girl by the neck and throwing another one down a flight of stairs is a bit alarming. And that is only the stuff that was reported.
But if he drops to the 3rd round, what do you do? The value would be there. Do you want to bring him into your program knowing everything going on around him?
Tough call.
even with the mental in-game coaching up required, he's still able to contribute day 1.
I wouldn't take him at 9, but in the 2nd (assuming no WR is taken at 9) I'd strongly consider him. Can't be worse in the 2nd than Marvin Austin or Clint Sintim even if he goes completely bonkers and murders someone, hard to produce less than some of Reese's second round picks.
If he runs well at the combine, and interviews well, I think he can move up to the first.
Bring in Rashaad Green also... Then you would have Green, Green-Beckham, Beckham
My thoughts? They're probably tired of it and it's probably the last thing they want to deal with. I'm not saying come April we're going to see a draft class of choir boys, but I'd be willing to wager there won't be anyone they've got to worry about or keep an eye on.
Then again, what do I know? Maybe they run to the podium if he's there in the 2nd. I just wouldn't bet on it.
Even if you were to get this kid on the right track it will take a while for him to grasp an NFL offense. Though with that type of talent once he gets it even a little , he could impact as early as year 2 with flashes in year 1.
Still too much risk for 9 though IMO.
Coach, don't think anybody's talking about 1st rd.
My guess is that he isn't even on the Giants' board, and rightfully so.
I saw a lazy player on video who only showed any interest in playing when he was the read, and not even consistently then. Doesn't look to have heart. AKA, the anti-Beckham.
The domestic violence thing the DGB is major. The charges were dropped but its still a flag. And this is probably the worst year to have a domestic violence charge.
That being said, he has some clear negatives.
Soft
Lazy
Stupid
That's a tough trio of negatives to overcome. And it's why I would want no part of him with the #9 pick. This kid has huge bust potential.
But at #40, the potential is just too tempting to pass up even with the off-the-field concerns. He's the ultimate boom-or-bust pick from this draft.
"We all know about Dorial’s off field problems, but he also has some issues that will come back to haunt him if he can’t improve them at the next level on the field. First, he is too smart for his own good. He is a lazy route runner because of the competition that he goes up against. He can get big time separation because of his long stride, but prefers not to bother. When he makes his cuts, instead of exploding out of them, he glides. He can disappear if the play against him gets physical. Ask him to run a quick slant on third and short, and he has those pesky alligator arms. Unless he is running a deep route, Dorial wants the ball before the defense gets to him and not in traffic unless it’s in the red zone. Against single coverage, Dorial excels, but add a hard hitting safety to the coverage and Dorial prefers the ball go to the other side of the field."
Hard to take him at the top of the first round, no matter how talented he is. So one will take a chance on him - of course there is a chance he blows himself up between now and the draft.
You can't coach up toughness. He's got it or he doesn't. If Boylehart is right, I just wouldn't draft him. NFL DBs would know just how to get rid of him.