According to Mike Mayock Dante Fowler = Justin Houston

Mayocks ratings after the combine

Dante Fowler = Justin Houston - 1 x (positive drug test at Combine)

Seriously though, the Hindu Theory stuff gets a little out of hand this time of year. A better way to put it might be that the team that picks Fowler is hoping he becomes the next Justin Houston.

I just keep hearing all our BBI experts saying there will be no Blue Chip players available at 9 especially on Defense -- a defensive player even close to Justin Houston in impact ought to fit the bill --- just saying

and a more destructive player than Fowler (whom does also look like a 3-4 OLB).

He uses familiar NFL vets as shorthand for the type of player a prospect might become, and for the type of college career he had. Phillip Dorsett is a good example. If Dorsett were widely expected to have a Mike Wallace-type career, he'd be a consensus first-round pick. Wallace provides a good point of reference for Dorsett's upside. His downside is probably more along the lines of our own Tim Carter and Sinorice Moss both of whom were drafted much higher than Wallace was, or Dorsett probably will be.

In short, the Houston comp, by itself, doesn't mean Mayock considers Fowler a blue-chip prospect. It just means he sees a very high ceiling.

Giants run a 4-3.

So it helps us only if he gets drafted earlier and pushes another player down.

is 6'3", 260 and is an OLB. Shane Ray is 245 and is a DE. I think those designations change in the NFL.

Ends up going before Ray or Gregory and will be gone by 9

In comment 12138559 JonC said:

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and a more destructive player than Fowler (whom does also look like a 3-4 OLB).

Indeed, Houston is a 3-4 OLB, so this comparison pretty much means Fowler is not in the Giants plans.

No watch Reese pick him :)

Justin Houston could not be successful as 4-3 End????

Would be a monster at 4-3 End. Watch him when he put's his hands in the dirt and try to tell me otherwise

I think Fowler is one of the few actual 4-3 DEs in the draft. Great fit for us. We love players that are versatile and Fowler fits that perfect. He played all over the place including some DT. I could definitely see us putting him there on passing downs. The best 4-3 DE in the draft IMO and the next would be Dupree. That is one reason he is so high on my board. Only player I want more than Fowler is Leonard Williams. I am high on all 3 OL also.

Of players to this or that system is bullshit, especially if the guy can flat out play. What was LT? He played the role of a 4-3 DE plenty on passing downs. What, JJ Watt couldn't play a 4-3 DE OR a 4-3 DT? Bullshit. The Giants'recent failure drafting OLB types have been the playets, not the position fit, IMO.

Fabulous athleticism. I'd wait till after the combine to draw comparisons to him.

I haven't followed him as a pro - has he been good?

Already played DE very well at FL at 278lbs. They asked him to lose 15 or so lbs to play LB and he was 261.

He is big enough to play DE

I think he will be an excellent pro. Unlike playing 3 positions in 3 years at FL. Put him at DE and let him go

I don't think we really need an edge rusher, the problem with the pass rush last year (besides PFs system) was playing Kiwi over Moore and Ayers, notice once that absurd error was remedied.. hey our pass rush is beast now!

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I don't think we really need an edge rusher, the problem with the pass rush last year (besides PFs system) was playing Kiwi over Moore and Ayers, notice once that absurd error was remedied.. hey our pass rush is beast now!

Your pass rush is not beast.. You need more edge rushers.. I wouldnt count on Ayers.. Fowler could work very well if utilized correctly... and its evem better if you can get a good edge rusher on a rookie deal...

granted, NYG blew it and drafted him, but what a miss on a 3-4 OLB they believed could play 4-3 DE.

He's very powerful at the POA and a tremendous downhill force.

I don't see the same stout POA play or presence of mind from Fowler, he looks like a Steelers/Ravens OLB out on the edge. If the 6'2 260 is accurate, he's also a bit smallish for NYG's checklist.

teams blow draft picks. It wasn't about his position switch. It wouldn't matter if you lined him up at waterboy. He simply wasn't a good enough football player.

Fowler has played comfortably at higher weight. He's played DT in some packages. He has enough size and 'sand' to play full time DE imo. He's versatile and he's a football player.

you aren't seriously going to compare Sintim to Fowler -- even Sintim admits his head wasn't into football and that he never applied himself to the necessary discipline to be successful

You can argue that Fowler may not be a positional fit because of where he played in College -- but the guy has the body type for end and can play multiple positions, he is a baller - and much more talented and accomplished on the college level than Sintim ever was

I don't toss the Sintim comparison out there blindly, it's virtually the same argument I hear from those who are pro-Fowler. They typically don't understand what a 4-3 DE needs in terms of tools. Time will tell. Dupree has the pedigree, he just needs to test well. Fowler will be drafted by a 3-4 team, or a team like the Falcons who always go for small, quick edge rushers to play on turf.

I'm referring to the scouting reports on the field with both players, and the arguments made by the pro-Fowler crowd reminds me of the pro-Sintim crowd.

for me DJF is a scheme diverse prospect. When the dust settles I think he'll be a riser and off the board when we pick. If we go defense #9 he'd be my top choice of those likely to be available.

DJF = DFJ

I think he's a Falcon in the making.

then we'll never know if the Giants coveted him as they pick #8.

will likely be known by draft week, their top 3-5 has leaked out every year for some time. If I get it again, I'll post it.

how guys test, interview and come through their medicals could really effect how the top ten come off the board.

I think you posted he's the only blue chipper you see, and so far I agree with that sentiment.

if you were going defense #9 which way would you be leaning at this point?

If Dupree tests well, he moves into range. I like Ray but have concerns he'll hold up physically at DE, same with Gregory. I think NYG would sprint to the podium to pick Gregory, but he's really got to demonstrate he can hold the POA.

I think they'll go WR or Peat unless one of these edge rushers comfortably projects to DE. No CBs appear ready to rise, they're not drafting a LB or RT/OG ahead of WR. Imo.

I think I like the kid from UCLA better though as he looks like a complete DE.

the level of talent available at 9 - at 9 we should get a very, very good football player this year - I am even hearing/seeing the phrase top 10 being tossed around, and I've got to believe - and the talent I'm looking at would seem to bear this out -- there are certainly ten (10) Blue chippers to be had - and not just three (3) as some here are asserting -- and that there are going to be both desirable defensive and offensive options for the Giants when they pick.

I don't see it, haven't heard any reputed draftnik agree with that. The QBs have their warts, and the only prospect that I believe would earn a true "any year" blue chip grade is LW.

At #9, we're going to get a very strong red chip talent, imo.

All drafts are not created equal, just comparing this first round to last year's bears this out pretty clearly.

blue chipper category - they will only be picked because of need - neither of them could touch the first round in 2004 -- so if either or both go in the top 10 that just increases the Giants choices

in the combine -- but I want to remind you that no one had OBJ listed as a Blue Chipper last year -- and it would certainly appear now that he was a Blue Chipper -- the Giants landed him at 12

I'm saying that a) I have faith in our talent evaluators, b) the FO has amended their risk reward formula, c) from my perspective I am seeing enough talent out there to believe our pick will be a difference maker -

there are 3-5 edge rushers that could be in the top 10 - 3 WRs that could be there - 2 Olinemen and 2 DTs - that's enough to chose from - and that's enough to believe we could get an outstanding pick at any one of those positions - all positions that the Giants could use a healthy shot of premium talent at

I would be satisfied with getting a premium pick at any of those positions - though I do think mathematically that the defense needs a first rounder - as we haven't had one placed there for three years running now

and a very good starter at #9. I don't think Shelton will be in the mix, though.

draft is weak in the top 15 as I keep reading, we will be overpaying a number 9 player whereas we would not if we picked at 20. The lost money could have been spent somewhere else. So, it is not as simple as saying we will get a good player at 9, I think a bit of cos/benefit needs to be considered.

unless he can't catch. His stats certainly scream "blue chip!"

And Michael Bennett's. And Anthony Davis's. And Brian Calhoun's. And P.J.Hill's. And John Clay's. And Montee Ball's. And James White's.

Maybe Gordon will be the Badger RB who breaks the curse. His stats are certainly remarksble - even more dazzling than his predecessors'. Still, Wisconsin has been putting up crazy rushing numbers since 1996. A grain of salt seems to be indicated. Does Gordon's tape live up to his stats? Even if it does, is there a snowball's chance in Hell that he gets picked in the top ten?

his 400+ yard day vs Nebraska I don't think I saw him break a single tackle on any of his 8 or so 25 yard + runs.

I'd be very leery.