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2015 NFL COMBINE DAY 1 THREAD ST, OL, TE

sjnyfan : 2/20/2015 6:45 am
First day of on-field timing, drills and workouts are not only finally here, but we'll start seeing separation for players that are under what many people consider our #1 need, an offensive lineman.

The frontrunners at tackle are of course Stanford's Andrus Peat, Iowa's Brandon Scherff and LSU's La'el Collins. After 37 reps on the bench yesterday, my favorite OT, Miami's Ereck Flowers could solidify a spot in the top 10 with a strong workout on field today. Keep an eye on the workouts of Jake Fisher and DJ Humphries. With good ones I think they could start seeing 1st rd buzz. A few other tackles who I think will improve their stock today are Donovan Smith and Rob Havenstein. Versatile sleepers are Sean Hickey, Andrew Donnal and Mitch Morse. Cedric Ogbuehi of course will not be working out.

The top interior lineman are AJ Cann and Laken Tomlinson. Cann could go in Rd 1. Cameron Erving, who started the season as one of the nation's top OT's goes into the combine as arguably the top C. Small school star Ali Marpet had a big week at the Senior Bowl and can continue his ascent with a strong combine. I think he'll run a sub-5 40. A couple of sleepers are Jon Feliciano, Andrew Gallik and Max Garcia. A huge omission here is McNeese State's Antoine Everett. He was invited but there will be more about him throughout the process.

At TE the top two are Maxx Williams and Clive Walford but the #3 spot is wide open. NJ's own Nick Boyle could grab that spot. Penn St.'s Jesse James could too. The draft advisory board suggested the underclassman go back to Happy Valley but he has freakish athleticism for someone 6'7". He could blow up the combine. The only TE that I know of who won't be working out is Rory 'Busta' Anderson.

Lastly, ST doesn't get much attention but a player who I hope gets mentioned is the lone long snapper, Navy's Joe Cardona. Not only for planning to serve our country but because he's a damn good long snapper. People will chide the position but ST coaches are well aware of him and when he's ready/able, he'll be in the league. He's been clocked at snapping the ball faster than anyone else (41 mph), does it for punts and FGs, and is perfect every time.

I won't be able to post all 40 times today like previous years so if someone wants to take the task, thanks. I will on Saturday and Sunday. There's also the Google Docs link. Coverage begins on NFL Network at 9.
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I'm really busy at work today  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 6:52 am : link
So if nobody else can do it I will do my best. Might not be the quickest to get them up here, but I will try.
I'll be around here and there today as well.  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 8:42 am : link
Will try to chime in when I can
Flowers upside is tremendous  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:05 am : link
similar to Tyron Smith who Dallas took a few years back. I'm not certain he's quite as smooth and agile but impressive nonetheless. The athletic testing and mirror drills will be important in determining if he will indeed vault himself into Top 10 position. The rise of junior prospects every year is what makes the draft an exciting process.

On a side note I was disappointed that Andrus Peat elected not to participate in the bench press. I haven't heard any medical reason he declined. This is a young man that is getting labeled 'soft' for one reason or another, PERHAPS UNFAIRLY. Competing head on with all comers across the board and performing well could have gone a long way to establishing himself as 'the guy to beat' as the first OT off the board in this draft. Sure he can lift at his Pro Day it just speaks to the mindset of the young man imo.
l Collins  
pa_giant_fan : 2/20/2015 9:06 am : link
5.13 40
C Erving  
pa_giant_fan : 2/20/2015 9:10 am : link
5.16 40
TJ Clemmings  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:14 am : link
5.24
Erica Flowers  
pa_giant_fan : 2/20/2015 9:15 am : link
5.32 40
Jake Fisher  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:15 am : link
5.05
L Collins 2nd 40  
pa_giant_fan : 2/20/2015 9:23 am : link
5.16 40, 1.81 10 yd
I don't pay attention to the times  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 9:23 am : link
as much as how these guys look when they move.

La'el Collins looks really solid when he's on the move. He is athletic enough for LT...but I do agree his best spot might be inside. He could be an All Pro there.
I don't pay attention to the times  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 9:24 am : link
as much as how these guys look when they move.

La'el Collins looks really solid when he's on the move. He is athletic enough for LT...but I do agree his best spot might be inside. He could be an All Pro there.
RE: Flowers upside is tremendous  
drkenneth : 2/20/2015 9:24 am : link
In comment 12144589 Torrag said:
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similar to Tyron Smith who Dallas took a few years back. I'm not certain he's quite as smooth and agile but impressive nonetheless. The athletic testing and mirror drills will be important in determining if he will indeed vault himself into Top 10 position. The rise of junior prospects every year is what makes the draft an exciting process.

On a side note I was disappointed that Andrus Peat elected not to participate in the bench press. I haven't heard any medical reason he declined. This is a young man that is getting labeled 'soft' for one reason or another, PERHAPS UNFAIRLY. Competing head on with all comers across the board and performing well could have gone a long way to establishing himself as 'the guy to beat' as the first OT off the board in this draft. Sure he can lift at his Pro Day it just speaks to the mindset of the young man imo.


IIRC- Peat stated on NFL Radio he is waiting until his pro day to lift due to an injury he sustained working out.
thanks kenneth  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:25 am : link
I hadn't heard of the injury to Peat.
Cameron Erving 2nd 40  
pa_giant_fan : 2/20/2015 9:28 am : link
5.20 40, 1.84 10 yd
regarding Flowers  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 9:32 am : link
did I read he was a team captain?
Completely nasty demeanor and highly competitive...and loves football. Man do the Giants need that on their line.
for what its worth internet search reveals nothing...  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:32 am : link
...about a Peat training injury. I haven't been watching NFLN...did they mention anything when Peat took a pass on the BP?
TJ Clemmings 2nd 40  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:32 am : link
5.15
and with Reese's overall philosophy  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 9:33 am : link
I think they value tackles so much more than guards in the 1st round. Does anyone think he's a no brainer pick over Scherff?
Sy  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:34 am : link
What are your top 5 pass rusher rankings? Where do you have Gregory, Fowler, Ray & Beasley.


Also I was watching some of Benardrick McKinney the other day and it said he ran in the 4.5s or better. If he runs that fast is he a top 12-15 pick? I like him a lot anyway. Would not mind the Giants drafting him at 9 at all.
If he doesn't test well he won't crack the Top 15  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:35 am : link
imo.
Jake Fisher 2nd 40  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:35 am : link
5.01
RE: and with Reese's overall philosophy  
Mike in NY : 2/20/2015 9:35 am : link
In comment 12144661 Andy in Boston said:
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I think they value tackles so much more than guards in the 1st round. Does anyone think he's a no brainer pick over Scherff?


Flowers is a little rawer than some of the OL they have targeted early. I think with the pressure they are under they are more likely to go with someone like Peat or Collins who can come in now and play
Torrag  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:36 am : link
You talking about McKinney?
RE: RE: and with Reese's overall philosophy  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12144672 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 12144661 Andy in Boston said:


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I think they value tackles so much more than guards in the 1st round. Does anyone think he's a no brainer pick over Scherff?



Flowers is a little rawer than some of the OL they have targeted early. I think with the pressure they are under they are more likely to go with someone like Peat or Collins who can come in now and play


I think he's really raw for LT...but if they move Pugh to LG...Flowers could start day 1 at RT.
flowers  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:37 am : link
and I like McKinney a lot. I'm hoping he blows it up this weekend and adds another defensive player to the Top 10 mix.
Some DE heights and weights  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:37 am : link
Beasley put on some weight. Good for him. Real nice guy. I thought he was a lot lighter.


DE/OLB measurements: Fowler/FLA (6025, 261), Gregory/NEB (6047, 235), Ray/MIZZOU (6025, 245), Beasley/CLEM (6030, 246).
RE: I don't pay attention to the times  
dep026 : 2/20/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12144629 Sy'56 said:
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as much as how these guys look when they move.

La'el Collins looks really solid when he's on the move. He is athletic enough for LT...but I do agree his best spot might be inside. He could be an All Pro there.


I have been trying to get you in other threads. What do you think of Mark Glowinski from WVU? 31 reps yesterday for a guard.
Bench press is probably the most useless exercise in determining ...  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:39 am : link
football ability. IMO it's a test of the players 'want to' more than anything else.
Torrag  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 9:40 am : link
Yes so do I. I've liked him since the 1st time I saw him. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd Miss State game.

I know everybody has us going Oline. We are set on the line at 4 positions. I can't see us going Oline in the 1st. I would be shocked to see us pass on D in the 1st. So many good players. Gregory, Fowler, McKinney, Shelton.
Expecting good things  
Pete from Woodstock : 2/20/2015 9:42 am : link
from Jesse James!
RE: Some DE heights and weights  
sjnyfan : 2/20/2015 9:45 am : link
In comment 12144680 Big Rick in FL said:
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Beasley put on some weight. Good for him. Real nice guy. I thought he was a lot lighter.


DE/OLB measurements: Fowler/FLA (6025, 261), Gregory/NEB (6047, 235), Ray/MIZZOU (6025, 245), Beasley/CLEM (6030, 246).


Beasley came in heavier than I thought. I also thought Gregory would try to put on more.
I'd prefer defense #9  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:45 am : link
I grew up with Giants defense. These last few seasons have been a nightmare on that side of the ball. But...I don't believe in leaving better 'talent' on the board to address a need. Right now Dante Fowler Jr. and Shaq Thompson(as a Kam Chanceller type Safety) are the only guys I see in our 'draft window' I'd take on the defensive side. McKinney could change that with a tremendous workout. So could a few other guys.
At that weight, Gregory has to be a 3-4 OLB  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 9:46 am : link
.
Pleasantly surprised by Beasly's weigh in  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 9:49 am : link
if he can put on a show he'd be a consideration for us.
What did Harold from UVA measure  
Dunedin81 : 2/20/2015 9:49 am : link
?
TE Tyler Kroft  
sphinx : 2/20/2015 9:53 am : link
Jordan Raanan ‏7 minutes ago
Medical probing knocked #rutgers TE Tyler Kroft out if the #NFLCombine. Ankle swelled. Won't work out

RE: RE: I don't pay attention to the times  
sjnyfan : 2/20/2015 9:53 am : link
In comment 12144681 dep026 said:
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In comment 12144629 Sy'56 said:


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as much as how these guys look when they move.

La'el Collins looks really solid when he's on the move. He is athletic enough for LT...but I do agree his best spot might be inside. He could be an All Pro there.



I have been trying to get you in other threads. What do you think of Mark Glowinski from WVU? 31 reps yesterday for a guard.


Dep, FWIW I'm a fan of Glowinski. I forgot to mention him in my writeup at the top but he's an underrated athlete. He played tackle in junior college and was an All American. WVU moved him to G and he's more than held his own. He had a very good Shrine Week last month and attracted a lot of attention. I like him more than his fellow guard from WVU in this draft Quninton Spain who had more buzz at the start of the season. I'd be interested in your input as well Sy.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 9:56 am : link
In comment 12144668 Big Rick in FL said:
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What are your top 5 pass rusher rankings? Where do you have Gregory, Fowler, Ray & Beasley.


Also I was watching some of Benardrick McKinney the other day and it said he ran in the 4.5s or better. If he runs that fast is he a top 12-15 pick? I like him a lot anyway. Would not mind the Giants drafting him at 9 at all.


As of right now...subject to slight changes:

1 - Shane Ray
2 - Randy Gregory
3 - Nate Orchard
4 - Dante Fowler
5 - Vic Beasley

And McKinney is one of two guys that I think have a shot at coming out of nowhere and creeping towards the top 10.
Dep (Glowinski)  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 9:58 am : link
Sorry...hard to keep track of all of the draft threads these days.

Glowinski is a 6th rounder on my sheet right now....still want to get another look or two. He doesn't control guys the way I want and he doesn't make up for it with athletic ability either. Hard to see him being more than a backup.
RE: Flowers  
drkenneth : 2/20/2015 10:03 am : link
If they see him being able to start at RT day 1, then take over for Beatty at LT in 2016, he'll be the pick (ala Tyron Smith- Who was "raw" as well)
RE: Dep (Glowinski)  
dep026 : 2/20/2015 10:04 am : link
In comment 12144736 Sy'56 said:
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Sorry...hard to keep track of all of the draft threads these days.

Glowinski is a 6th rounder on my sheet right now....still want to get another look or two. He doesn't control guys the way I want and he doesn't make up for it with athletic ability either. Hard to see him being more than a backup.


I was his teacher in HS, and he is just an awesome kid. I hope he gets drafted, he deserves it. I dont think he will be an all-pro or anything, but I hope he catches on with someone.
I think Glowinski gets drafted  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 10:07 am : link
I like his teammate Spain a bit more...but he could be a backup in the league for sure.
I like how Flowers moves  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 10:08 am : link
He looks comfortably quick and explosive.
Flowers is very impressive today  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 2/20/2015 10:15 am : link
He moved up today in draft
RE: Flowers is very impressive today  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 10:16 am : link
In comment 12144767 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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He moved up today in draft


Didn't look as good in his kick slides...which has been my major concern with him on tape.
SY'56  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 10:19 am : link
where are you projecting Nate Orchard to go in the draft?
regarding Flowers  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 10:28 am : link
was he a team captain?
RE: SY'56  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 10:29 am : link
In comment 12144776 Andy in Boston said:
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where are you projecting Nate Orchard to go in the draft?


2nd/3rd, probably closer to the 3rd.

I have him graded as a 1st rounder.
RE: RE: SY'56  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 10:38 am : link
In comment 12144793 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 12144776 Andy in Boston said:


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where are you projecting Nate Orchard to go in the draft?



2nd/3rd, probably closer to the 3rd.

I have him graded as a 1st rounder.



what's the biggest knock on him?
His production is off the chart....size is the same as Fowler. Is level of competition a concern?
Thanks for the info.
RE: Some DE heights and weights  
JonC : 2/20/2015 10:46 am : link
In comment 12144680 Big Rick in FL said:
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Beasley put on some weight. Good for him. Real nice guy. I thought he was a lot lighter.


DE/OLB measurements: Fowler/FLA (6025, 261), Gregory/NEB (6047, 235), Ray/MIZZOU (6025, 245), Beasley/CLEM (6030, 246).


None of those are really positive with regards to NYG. Is Dupree there?

#9 appears awfully high for Flowers, at this stage.
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