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2015 NFL COMBINE DAY 1 THREAD ST, OL, TE

sjnyfan : 2/20/2015 6:45 am
First day of on-field timing, drills and workouts are not only finally here, but we'll start seeing separation for players that are under what many people consider our #1 need, an offensive lineman.

The frontrunners at tackle are of course Stanford's Andrus Peat, Iowa's Brandon Scherff and LSU's La'el Collins. After 37 reps on the bench yesterday, my favorite OT, Miami's Ereck Flowers could solidify a spot in the top 10 with a strong workout on field today. Keep an eye on the workouts of Jake Fisher and DJ Humphries. With good ones I think they could start seeing 1st rd buzz. A few other tackles who I think will improve their stock today are Donovan Smith and Rob Havenstein. Versatile sleepers are Sean Hickey, Andrew Donnal and Mitch Morse. Cedric Ogbuehi of course will not be working out.

The top interior lineman are AJ Cann and Laken Tomlinson. Cann could go in Rd 1. Cameron Erving, who started the season as one of the nation's top OT's goes into the combine as arguably the top C. Small school star Ali Marpet had a big week at the Senior Bowl and can continue his ascent with a strong combine. I think he'll run a sub-5 40. A couple of sleepers are Jon Feliciano, Andrew Gallik and Max Garcia. A huge omission here is McNeese State's Antoine Everett. He was invited but there will be more about him throughout the process.

At TE the top two are Maxx Williams and Clive Walford but the #3 spot is wide open. NJ's own Nick Boyle could grab that spot. Penn St.'s Jesse James could too. The draft advisory board suggested the underclassman go back to Happy Valley but he has freakish athleticism for someone 6'7". He could blow up the combine. The only TE that I know of who won't be working out is Rory 'Busta' Anderson.

Lastly, ST doesn't get much attention but a player who I hope gets mentioned is the lone long snapper, Navy's Joe Cardona. Not only for planning to serve our country but because he's a damn good long snapper. People will chide the position but ST coaches are well aware of him and when he's ready/able, he'll be in the league. He's been clocked at snapping the ball faster than anyone else (41 mph), does it for punts and FGs, and is perfect every time.

I won't be able to post all 40 times today like previous years so if someone wants to take the task, thanks. I will on Saturday and Sunday. There's also the Google Docs link. Coverage begins on NFL Network at 9.
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Does Flowers have the feat to be a top LT?  
chris r : 2/20/2015 10:49 am : link
Seems like more of RT type.
I think Flowers is a great "fit"  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 10:55 am : link
for the Giants, if they decide to move Pugh to LG....that's the big "if". He's a natural fit at RT...could be a pro-bowl type player there. If they don't move Pugh to Guard...then Scherff is the more natural fit at LG.

Beatty, Pugh, Richburg, Schwartz, Flowers is a a nice line.

Then sign a veteran swing tackle like Doug Free, draft Ali Marpet in the 3rd or 4th round to pair with Mosely as backup guards. Jones, Gettis, Walton and Reynolds (4 players) compete for the backup Center spot. Or 3 if Walton gets cut.

I think what the Giants do in the 1st round is  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 10:58 am : link
going to become more obvious then people think as we head into Free Agency. If they choose to go after an Iaputi or James Carpenter, then that tells you they're not going to move Pugh, which increases the likelihood of NOT drafting an O-lineman in the 1st round. If they decide to purse a Tackle if Free Agency (Orlando Franklin), that means Pugh is moving to Guard and I can't see them drafting a Peat, Scherff or Flowers in the 1st round. Who do they start over?
They're moving Pugh if they acquire a tackle upgrade  
JonC : 2/20/2015 11:02 am : link
otherwise, Pugh remains at RT.

I agree Flowers looks like a strong fit for NYG at RT, but is he going to carry the value/grade at #9? Uncertain, so far.
RE: Torrag  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 11:05 am : link
In comment 12144687 Big Rick in FL said:
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Yes so do I. I've liked him since the 1st time I saw him. Maybe the 2nd or 3rd Miss State game.

I know everybody has us going Oline. We are set on the line at 4 positions. I can't see us going Oline in the 1st. I would be shocked to see us pass on D in the 1st. So many good players. Gregory, Fowler, McKinney, Shelton.


I agree. LG/RT is also an "urgent" need and I think they'll fill it via FA. I do think they'll look OL in rds 2-4 though. TJ Clemmings sounds intriguing if he lasts to #40.

I think they go defensive playmaker at #9 though.
I'd agree their actions in UFA will reveal the strategy  
JonC : 2/20/2015 11:06 am : link
but, even if they sign a FA RT it wouldn't preclude me from drafting Peat at #9.

Why? It's a prime spot to get your cornerstone LT and I'm not comfortable resting on my laurels with Beatty in the long run. Grab the LT when you can as you're likely only getting him via the premium draft pick.

Peat-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-Franklin ... for example.
Assuming, of course, Peat carries the value/grade at #9  
JonC : 2/20/2015 11:07 am : link
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I think Fisher  
chris r : 2/20/2015 11:10 am : link
may get into the first round.
Marpet runs a 5.10 40 with a 1.81 10 yard split  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 11:11 am : link
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JonC  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 11:12 am : link
I hear you.
I just can't seen them cutting Beatty or drafting a Peat and then sitting him. You want try do draft an immediate starter at this spot.
I like Marpet alot but  
Andy in Boston : 2/20/2015 11:13 am : link
level of competition though, has to be a MAJOR concern...Hobart is D3. He played against 240 lb DT's.
And he himself is a little undersized for an NFL Guard.
Peat runs a 5.20 with a 1.82 split  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 11:14 am : link
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If they sign a Iupati or Franklin  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 11:15 am : link
level OL in FA, I'd be shocked if they then go OL again in the first as they'd have quite a bit invested there and no immediate FAs.

If they go bargain shopping for a Jerry or Boothe type OL to fill the last spot, then OL is likely at the top of the board come draft.
Scherrf 5.07, 1.78  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 11:18 am : link
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Peat, Collins and Clemmings...  
Dunedin81 : 2/20/2015 11:19 am : link
all ran very close to each other, between 5.13 and 5.20 on the 40 and 1.80 and 1.82 on the 10-yard split (unofficial times I believe). No one freakishly athletic but all athletic enough.
Marpet is going to be a very good  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/20/2015 11:20 am : link
NFL guard. Kid is a football player. Not afraid of the "big boys". He would look good in blue.
RE: Scherrf 5.07, 1.78  
Dunedin81 : 2/20/2015 11:21 am : link
In comment 12144892 jeff57 said:
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The best numbers from the guys in the convo at 9. If he is in fact a guard he would be a very athletic one.
Admittedly, if they sign a FA RT  
JonC : 2/20/2015 11:29 am : link
they probably won't draft an OT at #9, but I would, if the value/grade is there. Beatty could be a June 1 cut this year without creating a ton of damage.
Perfect time for a trade down  
gmenrule : 2/20/2015 11:32 am : link
to get Flowers and another pick.
My view of Flowers is that he's a good pass blocker  
yatqb : 2/20/2015 11:32 am : link
but a guy who plays high in the running game and falls off his blocks routinely. A big guy with "want to" in him, but not the most athletic guy on the move.

He was strong against FSU, not being bull rushed dramatically by Edwards, who is very strong but only has that one pass rush move. But he just didn't nail his blocks in the running game in several games, including that one.

Did anyone see what I saw in his play?
I wouldn't cut Beatty this year (even as a June 1)  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 11:32 am : link
not enough cap savings and there's no replacement. It's also highly unlikely TC trusts a rookie to start at LT from Day 1.

Next offseason is another story though, which is the main reason I think a guy like Peat (or whoever) makes sense at #9. Not as a 2015 starter.
do draft strengths and weaknesses  
chris r : 2/20/2015 11:33 am : link
affect FA decisions?

If yes, the Giants might consider not signing a FA because that's where the talent is going to be at 9.

Ideally they'd sign a FA and trade down IMO though.
RE: Admittedly, if they sign a FA RT  
yatqb : 2/20/2015 11:34 am : link
In comment 12144925 JonC said:
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they probably won't draft an OT at #9, but I would, if the value/grade is there. Beatty could be a June 1 cut this year without creating a ton of damage.


Frankly, I think that Beatty would be an attractive trade target for some team looking for LT help. But we'd need to get at least two OTs in order to let him go, as we all know.
RE: I wouldn't cut Beatty this year (even as a June 1)  
JonC : 2/20/2015 11:41 am : link
In comment 12144935 giants#1 said:
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not enough cap savings and there's no replacement. It's also highly unlikely TC trusts a rookie to start at LT from Day 1.

Next offseason is another story though, which is the main reason I think a guy like Peat (or whoever) makes sense at #9. Not as a 2015 starter.


Fair enough, either way I'm all for drafting a LT at #9 if the value/grade is there. Beatty's presence, his contract, the draft pick not playing right away etc wouldn't affect my decision. I want the best premium player and fit.
Laken Tomlinson is the OL I want giants to get  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 2/20/2015 11:41 am : link
but in second rd
Beatty will be the starting LT in 2015.  
drkenneth : 2/20/2015 11:45 am : link
Just to put that to bed.
RE: RE: Admittedly, if they sign a FA RT  
drkenneth : 2/20/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12144939 yatqb said:
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In comment 12144925 JonC said:


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they probably won't draft an OT at #9, but I would, if the value/grade is there. Beatty could be a June 1 cut this year without creating a ton of damage.



Frankly, I think that Beatty would be an attractive trade target for some team looking for LT help. But we'd need to get at least two OTs in order to let him go, as we all know.


Yes. We would need someone to..you know, start at LT.
RE: RE: I wouldn't cut Beatty this year (even as a June 1)  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12144954 JonC said:
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Fair enough, either way I'm all for drafting a LT at #9 if the value/grade is there. Beatty's presence, his contract, the draft pick not playing right away etc wouldn't affect my decision. I want the best premium player and fit.


Partly agree, but I think a premier pass rusher is sorely needed even if JPP is retained and those are arguably harder to find than LTs. That's why my preferred approach (as of now) is DE at #9 and then someone with the athleticism to play LT in 1-2 years, but is considered a little raw now (like Clemmings) at #40. But I also probably think higher of Beatty than most.

And I'm warming to the idea of McKinney or another defensive playmaker at #9 as well.
RE: Laken Tomlinson is the OL I want giants to get  
Gmen703 : 2/20/2015 11:50 am : link
In comment 12144955 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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but in second rd


I'm with you on that one Rich! I was pretty impressed with him during the Sr. bowl practices.
Marpet killing it  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/20/2015 11:56 am : link
Top 40 top time, 10 yard split, in the top 5 in terms of bench press with 30.

Good for him.
RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't cut Beatty this year (even as a June 1)  
JonC : 2/20/2015 11:57 am : link
In comment 12144972 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12144954 JonC said:


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Fair enough, either way I'm all for drafting a LT at #9 if the value/grade is there. Beatty's presence, his contract, the draft pick not playing right away etc wouldn't affect my decision. I want the best premium player and fit.



Partly agree, but I think a premier pass rusher is sorely needed even if JPP is retained and those are arguably harder to find than LTs. That's why my preferred approach (as of now) is DE at #9 and then someone with the athleticism to play LT in 1-2 years, but is considered a little raw now (like Clemmings) at #40. But I also probably think higher of Beatty than most.

And I'm warming to the idea of McKinney or another defensive playmaker at #9 as well.


Edge rusher is absolutely needed, but I don't see him in this crop, so far. A ton of 3-4 OLBs who would be tweeners in a 4-3. Dupree is the prospect I need to see more of.
Ok. I don't want Scherff.  
Crispino : 2/20/2015 11:58 am : link
Tweaked his hammy.
It's no secret  
Emil : 2/20/2015 11:58 am : link
That I have not been a fan of taking Scherff as I don't "believe" in taking OGs in the top 10. Top 15 really. But you cannot deny the guy is a very intriguing prospect. Can he play OT in the NFL, sure, but he would be a pro-bowl Guard. His measureables are simply eye popping and he is known as a technician. Great speed an agility for a big man.

And then of course there is his love for the game. This from the Graziano article on Scherff's possible move to OG:

"I don't know that it would be a challenge," he said. "I like run blocking, and I know sometimes when you're in there you get help from the center. It would be a smooth move for me, I think. And I'll be happy wherever they want me to play, guard, tackle, whatever."

"I like run blocking," That was almost enough for me to change my opinion. But still, with the Giants not realyl having the LT of the future on the roster and Beatty with two years remaining on his contract. I think OT makes far more sense than OG, even if he is one of best to come out in recent memory.
Scherzo may have just tweeked something  
superspynyg : 2/20/2015 11:58 am : link
During ok drills. Came up limping. With a trainer. Hopefully it's nothing.
RE: Ok. I don't want Scherff.  
Emil : 2/20/2015 11:58 am : link
In comment 12144992 Crispino said:
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Tweaked his hammy.


No big deal, he'll never be running 40yds at one time in the NFL anyway. Well almost never.
He was doing the change of direction/ agility....  
Crispino : 2/20/2015 12:04 pm : link
drill. He's done for the day.
BTW, I was only kidding....  
Crispino : 2/20/2015 12:05 pm : link
about not wanting him because of the hammy. I like what I've seen from him today. Moves well.
Shaq Thompson  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 12:05 pm : link
A little over 6 foot and 228 pounds. Essentially what UW had him listed at.
Emil im with u  
area junc : 2/20/2015 12:06 pm : link
ordinarily no on scherff at 9 but the more ive studied this draft, scherff is my guy in round 1. This is a weak top. May as well take the best OL in the draft.
Also think  
area junc : 2/20/2015 12:07 pm : link
Scherff can play T in a zone blocking scheme
RE: Also think  
Emil : 2/20/2015 12:12 pm : link
In comment 12145017 area junc said:
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Scherff can play T in a zone blocking scheme


I'll just say I've gone from absolutely not on Scherff, to "I could see what the Giants are thinking there."

Flowers is rapidly becoming the OT I would take at #9. Seems to be the prototype, with a nasty streak.
I'm seeing reports ...  
Beer Man : 2/20/2015 12:16 pm : link
that Gurley has refused to let the combine docs examine his surgically repaired knee
RE: RE: RE: RE: I wouldn't cut Beatty this year (even as a June 1)  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 12:18 pm : link
In comment 12144991 JonC said:
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Edge rusher is absolutely needed, but I don't see him in this crop, so far. A ton of 3-4 OLBs who would be tweeners in a 4-3. Dupree is the prospect I need to see more of.


Yea, it was disappointing seeing all the top guys weighing in around 235-245 lbs. If they were in the 255+ range, it would be a lot more believable that they could add enough weight to anchor the run.
RE: I'm seeing reports ...  
drkenneth : 2/20/2015 12:18 pm : link
In comment 12145044 Beer Man said:
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that Gurley has refused to let the combine docs examine his surgically repaired knee


Could you provide a link to these reports???
I like Peat, Scherff, and Flowers  
JonC : 2/20/2015 12:19 pm : link
puzzle pieces would fall into place if one is the pick.
RE: It's no secret  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 12:20 pm : link
In comment 12144993 Emil said:
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That I have not been a fan of taking Scherff as I don't "believe" in taking OGs in the top 10. Top 15 really. But you cannot deny the guy is a very intriguing prospect. Can he play OT in the NFL, sure, but he would be a pro-bowl Guard. His measureables are simply eye popping and he is known as a technician. Great speed an agility for a big man.

And then of course there is his love for the game. This from the Graziano article on Scherff's possible move to OG:

"I don't know that it would be a challenge," he said. "I like run blocking, and I know sometimes when you're in there you get help from the center. It would be a smooth move for me, I think. And I'll be happy wherever they want me to play, guard, tackle, whatever."

"I like run blocking," That was almost enough for me to change my opinion. But still, with the Giants not realyl having the LT of the future on the roster and Beatty with two years remaining on his contract. I think OT makes far more sense than OG, even if he is one of best to come out in recent memory.


Beatty's got 3 years left, but a cap hit ~$9-9.5M the last 2 years and significant cap savings (if desired) available by cutting him.
Looking for a link now ...  
Beer Man : 2/20/2015 12:21 pm : link
The update I poped up on my phone...
RE: Scherzo may have just tweeked something  
superspynyg : 2/20/2015 12:21 pm : link
In comment 12144994 superspynyg said:
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During ok drills. Came up limping. With a trainer. Hopefully it's nothing.


I hate my phones auto correct.. How do you turn off the auto correct for the iphone?
Armstead, 6-7 292.  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:27 pm : link
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RE: RE: Scherzo may have just tweeked something  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 12:28 pm : link
In comment 12145058 superspynyg said:
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In comment 12144994 superspynyg said:


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During ok drills. Came up limping. With a trainer. Hopefully it's nothing.



I hate my phones auto correct.. How do you turn off the auto correct for the iphone?


Drop it in the toilet?
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