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2015 NFL COMBINE DAY 1 THREAD ST, OL, TE

sjnyfan : 2/20/2015 6:45 am
First day of on-field timing, drills and workouts are not only finally here, but we'll start seeing separation for players that are under what many people consider our #1 need, an offensive lineman.

The frontrunners at tackle are of course Stanford's Andrus Peat, Iowa's Brandon Scherff and LSU's La'el Collins. After 37 reps on the bench yesterday, my favorite OT, Miami's Ereck Flowers could solidify a spot in the top 10 with a strong workout on field today. Keep an eye on the workouts of Jake Fisher and DJ Humphries. With good ones I think they could start seeing 1st rd buzz. A few other tackles who I think will improve their stock today are Donovan Smith and Rob Havenstein. Versatile sleepers are Sean Hickey, Andrew Donnal and Mitch Morse. Cedric Ogbuehi of course will not be working out.

The top interior lineman are AJ Cann and Laken Tomlinson. Cann could go in Rd 1. Cameron Erving, who started the season as one of the nation's top OT's goes into the combine as arguably the top C. Small school star Ali Marpet had a big week at the Senior Bowl and can continue his ascent with a strong combine. I think he'll run a sub-5 40. A couple of sleepers are Jon Feliciano, Andrew Gallik and Max Garcia. A huge omission here is McNeese State's Antoine Everett. He was invited but there will be more about him throughout the process.

At TE the top two are Maxx Williams and Clive Walford but the #3 spot is wide open. NJ's own Nick Boyle could grab that spot. Penn St.'s Jesse James could too. The draft advisory board suggested the underclassman go back to Happy Valley but he has freakish athleticism for someone 6'7". He could blow up the combine. The only TE that I know of who won't be working out is Rory 'Busta' Anderson.

Lastly, ST doesn't get much attention but a player who I hope gets mentioned is the lone long snapper, Navy's Joe Cardona. Not only for planning to serve our country but because he's a damn good long snapper. People will chide the position but ST coaches are well aware of him and when he's ready/able, he'll be in the league. He's been clocked at snapping the ball faster than anyone else (41 mph), does it for punts and FGs, and is perfect every time.

I won't be able to post all 40 times today like previous years so if someone wants to take the task, thanks. I will on Saturday and Sunday. There's also the Google Docs link. Coverage begins on NFL Network at 9.
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NFL Network Link on Gurley's ....  
Beer Man : 2/20/2015 12:31 pm : link
refusal to let docs examine his knee ....
NFL Network - ( New Window )
Odighizuwa: 6-3 267  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:32 pm : link
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RE: NFL Network Link on Gurley's ....  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:33 pm : link
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refusal to let docs examine his knee .... NFL Network - ( New Window )


With what happened to Tyler Kroft, I don't blame him.
Eddie Goldman  
jayg5 : 2/20/2015 12:33 pm : link
6'4 338 He never looked like he weighed that much during the season. If so, he carries it quite well.
Peat looked awful on the hip drill.  
yatqb : 2/20/2015 12:36 pm : link
Surprised me.
Shelton 6-2 339, Orchard 6-3 250  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:36 pm : link
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RE: RE: It's no secret  
Emil : 2/20/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12145054 giants#1 said:
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That I have not been a fan of taking Scherff as I don't "believe" in taking OGs in the top 10. Top 15 really. But you cannot deny the guy is a very intriguing prospect. Can he play OT in the NFL, sure, but he would be a pro-bowl Guard. His measureables are simply eye popping and he is known as a technician. Great speed an agility for a big man.

And then of course there is his love for the game. This from the Graziano article on Scherff's possible move to OG:

"I don't know that it would be a challenge," he said. "I like run blocking, and I know sometimes when you're in there you get help from the center. It would be a smooth move for me, I think. And I'll be happy wherever they want me to play, guard, tackle, whatever."

"I like run blocking," That was almost enough for me to change my opinion. But still, with the Giants not realyl having the LT of the future on the roster and Beatty with two years remaining on his contract. I think OT makes far more sense than OG, even if he is one of best to come out in recent memory.



Beatty's got 3 years left, but a cap hit ~$9-9.5M the last 2 years and significant cap savings (if desired) available by cutting him.


I stand corrected. Thanks for the detail. If the Giants sign a RT and draft an OT, cutting Beatty next year makes too much sense.
RE: Armstead, 6-7 292.  
Emil : 2/20/2015 12:37 pm : link
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Really wish he had the game tape to back up the measureables. The question is whether he is a diamond in the rough or not.
RE: RE: Armstead, 6-7 292.  
Coach Mason : 2/20/2015 12:40 pm : link
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Really wish he had the game tape to back up the measureables. The question is whether he is a diamond in the rough or not.


If his production matched his measurables ,he wouldn't be available at 9 let alone 5.
Quinton Coples vs Armstead  
chris r : 2/20/2015 12:41 pm : link
who was the better prospect?
RE: RE: RE: It's no secret  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 12:42 pm : link
In comment 12145095 Emil said:
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I stand corrected. Thanks for the detail. If the Giants sign a RT and draft an OT, cutting Beatty next year makes too much sense.


Yea, that's why I think if they have 2 guys rated close (say Peat v Collins v Flowers), I can see them taking one of the latter two since most reports say those guys can start Day 1 at LG/RT (depends on what the Giants really think of Pugh). Then 2016 you slide the guy over to LT. Or 2017 if Beatty has another good year and shows no signs of his play slipping.

Also gives them the option to take another Brewer/Whimper type athlete in the mid-rounds and try to develop him (I realize they haven't been good in this department since Diehl).
Leonard Williams: 6-5 302  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:44 pm : link
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Marpet looked great in the shadow drill.  
yatqb : 2/20/2015 12:45 pm : link
A really athletic guy.

Hickey looked good too.
can't watch the OL drills right now  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/20/2015 12:45 pm : link
anyone have a good website that's reviewing how the players looked during drills?

I think these combine positional drills are something that gets underrated. Watching all these guys perform right next to each other is a nice way to compare them, although obviously there are no pads on.

Last year I remember everyone saying "Odell Beckham was easily the most impressive WR during positional drills". I remember a lot of media and BBI'ers commenting on that.

I'd love to see how Collins looked in the drills compared to Scherff, or how Peat looked compared to Flowers, etc.
I really hope Flowers is our pick  
David in LA : 2/20/2015 12:47 pm : link
I have a feeling he might not even be available at 9.
Tomlinson looked good too.  
yatqb : 2/20/2015 12:48 pm : link
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Dupree: 6-4 269. Dawson 6-0 235  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:50 pm : link
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Eli Harold 6-3 247  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:53 pm : link
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Clemmings moved very well...looked powerful, athletic and balanced  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 12:54 pm : link
For me he had the best performance of the OT prospects.

Paraphrasing Mayock on Flowers...'chance to play LT but looks like a RT to me'.

Tomlinson had a real solid performance among the OG's following up an excellent Senior Bowl week. If we pass on OL #9 he'd be my target in Round 2.
Wow HUGE kudos  
Coach Mason : 2/20/2015 12:55 pm : link
for Humphries. Saying he has best feet of all OL's in draft.
Kendricks 6-0 232  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:55 pm : link
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Positive for Dupree  
JonC : 2/20/2015 12:55 pm : link
now test well and he's probably the top 4-3 DE.
I could be in the minority but Flowers didn't wow me  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 12:57 pm : link
I thought he was ok but looked like a RT prospect to me. He oozes power but wasn't nearly as lightfooted or agile as Tyron Smith who he was drawing comparisons to. Clemmings looked better in every drill.
good lord  
area junc : 2/20/2015 12:57 pm : link
Leonard Williams is a beast. best 43 DT since Suh.
McKinney 6-4 246 Perryman 5-11 236  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 12:58 pm : link
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I don't think Peat solidified a Top 10 pick in Indy  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 12:59 pm : link
just my opinion.
Jake Fisher and Cam Erving also helped themselves imo  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 1:02 pm : link
Erving is interesting with serious versatility having performed well at OT and C in his career.
TE's about to get rolling  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 1:03 pm : link
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Shaq Thompson 6-0 228  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 1:04 pm : link
Jake Ryan 6-2 240
Shaq Thompson at Safety is very intriguing  
Torrag : 2/20/2015 1:06 pm : link
If he can verify dynamic athleticism here he will be a riser.
Nick Boyle 5.04  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 1:09 pm : link
Ugh
O'Leary 4.93  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 1:11 pm : link
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RE: I like Peat, Scherff, and Flowers  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/20/2015 1:12 pm : link
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puzzle pieces would fall into place if one is the pick.


Flowers does seem to be the Giants type of pick
Lots of possibilities here at #9  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:13 pm : link
Guys I am sold on at #9:

DT Shelton
OT Flowers

Guys I need to see a bit more of this weekend:

DE Dupree
SS/OLB Shaq Thompson (but would prefer a trade down to get him)
block TEs  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:14 pm : link
On display here
not  
MookGiants : 2/20/2015 1:15 pm : link
a great time for Walford
RE: Shaq Thompson at Safety is very intriguing  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12145178 Torrag said:
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If he can verify dynamic athleticism here he will be a riser.


I think he needs to be in the discussion in the Top 15 at least. He could play safety on 1st and 2nd down and then drop to LB in the nickel. Could play OLB in the "big nickel" as well.

He seemed to do it all in college. Anyone know if he ever returned kicks?
wow  
MookGiants : 2/20/2015 1:16 pm : link
terrible time for Williams, 4.9
Warford 4.79 Williams 4.90  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 1:17 pm : link
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wow these TE times were horrific  
Coach Mason : 2/20/2015 1:18 pm : link
4.9 for Maxx and 4.79 for Walford...horrible
RE: RE: Shaq Thompson at Safety is very intriguing  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:18 pm : link
In comment 12145205 Emil said:
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If he can verify dynamic athleticism here he will be a riser.



I think he needs to be in the discussion in the Top 15 at least. He could play safety on 1st and 2nd down and then drop to LB in the nickel. Could play OLB in the "big nickel" as well.

He seemed to do it all in college. Anyone know if he ever returned kicks?


Will answer my own question. He returned kicks and punts on a limited basis as a freshman
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Dupree may be the closest to a conventional-sized DE...  
Dunedin81 : 2/20/2015 1:19 pm : link
I wouldn't say prototype, but his arms are long enough (32 5/8), he's 6'4" and just shy of 270.

Fowler, by contrast, is 6'3" and 261 but has 33 3/4" arms.

Harold coming in at 247, likely 5-10 lbs below his playing weight, says he's going for OLB. He is still relatively long, 6'3" with 33" arms, but he wants to slim down and get fast. Don't be surprised though if he cracks 4.5.
RE: wow these TE times were horrific  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:19 pm : link
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4.9 for Maxx and 4.79 for Walford...horrible


Walford is surprising, good thing the Giants are high on Donnel.
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jeff57 : 2/20/2015 1:19 pm : link
In comment 12145202 MookGiants said:
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a great time for Walford


Compared to Williams, Boyle and O'Leary, he's a burner.
Thompson was also great on covering punts and kickoffs  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 1:20 pm : link
The guy can do it all.
Marpet runs 4.98  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:21 pm : link
40 times are not overly important for an OL, but it does show that he moves very well for a man his size. Better than a lot of these TEs. I see a role for him at the next level for sure.

Does anyone know if the MacAdoo system calls for more athletic guards than others? I seem to recall that but am not sure.
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jeff57 : 2/20/2015 1:21 pm : link
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4.9 for Maxx and 4.79 for Walford...horrible



Walford is surprising, good thing the Giants are high on Donnel.


Walford can block. Something Donnell can't do.
RE: Marpet runs 4.98  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12145220 Emil said:
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40 times are not overly important for an OL, but it does show that he moves very well for a man his size. Better than a lot of these TEs. I see a role for him at the next level for sure.

Does anyone know if the MacAdoo system calls for more athletic guards than others? I seem to recall that but am not sure.


Also had 30 reps on the bench. He must have destroyed DIII talent.
RE: RE: RE: wow these TE times were horrific  
Emil : 2/20/2015 1:27 pm : link
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4.9 for Maxx and 4.79 for Walford...horrible



Walford is surprising, good thing the Giants are high on Donnel.



Walford can block. Something Donnell can't do.


very true
Mayock  
MookGiants : 2/20/2015 1:28 pm : link
didn't seem overly impressed with Walford's blocking.

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