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2015 NFL COMBINE DAY 1 THREAD ST, OL, TE

sjnyfan : 2/20/2015 6:45 am
First day of on-field timing, drills and workouts are not only finally here, but we'll start seeing separation for players that are under what many people consider our #1 need, an offensive lineman.

The frontrunners at tackle are of course Stanford's Andrus Peat, Iowa's Brandon Scherff and LSU's La'el Collins. After 37 reps on the bench yesterday, my favorite OT, Miami's Ereck Flowers could solidify a spot in the top 10 with a strong workout on field today. Keep an eye on the workouts of Jake Fisher and DJ Humphries. With good ones I think they could start seeing 1st rd buzz. A few other tackles who I think will improve their stock today are Donovan Smith and Rob Havenstein. Versatile sleepers are Sean Hickey, Andrew Donnal and Mitch Morse. Cedric Ogbuehi of course will not be working out.

The top interior lineman are AJ Cann and Laken Tomlinson. Cann could go in Rd 1. Cameron Erving, who started the season as one of the nation's top OT's goes into the combine as arguably the top C. Small school star Ali Marpet had a big week at the Senior Bowl and can continue his ascent with a strong combine. I think he'll run a sub-5 40. A couple of sleepers are Jon Feliciano, Andrew Gallik and Max Garcia. A huge omission here is McNeese State's Antoine Everett. He was invited but there will be more about him throughout the process.

At TE the top two are Maxx Williams and Clive Walford but the #3 spot is wide open. NJ's own Nick Boyle could grab that spot. Penn St.'s Jesse James could too. The draft advisory board suggested the underclassman go back to Happy Valley but he has freakish athleticism for someone 6'7". He could blow up the combine. The only TE that I know of who won't be working out is Rory 'Busta' Anderson.

Lastly, ST doesn't get much attention but a player who I hope gets mentioned is the lone long snapper, Navy's Joe Cardona. Not only for planning to serve our country but because he's a damn good long snapper. People will chide the position but ST coaches are well aware of him and when he's ready/able, he'll be in the league. He's been clocked at snapping the ball faster than anyone else (41 mph), does it for punts and FGs, and is perfect every time.

I won't be able to post all 40 times today like previous years so if someone wants to take the task, thanks. I will on Saturday and Sunday. There's also the Google Docs link. Coverage begins on NFL Network at 9.
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I think Clemmings is too much of a reach at 9  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 3:03 pm : link
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Dupree/Fowler/McKinnie at #9  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 3:05 pm : link
Clemmings at #40. Make it happen!
Jesse James with a 37.5 vertical leap  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 3:15 pm : link
William 35, Walford only 30.5.
2 down linebacker at 9  
jayg5 : 2/20/2015 3:17 pm : link
No Thankyou!
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 3:21 pm : link
In comment 12145418 JonC said:
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I've been saying for awhile Peat's conditioning is suspect. He gets tired, begins reaching and bending at the waist instead of moving his feet, and he falls over. I tend to think that's correctable on the whole.

He's also still a kid, carries a lot of baby fat to my eye, but he will be a huge man, 330-340 without the baby fat.

The questions regarding his toughness etc will be answered now too.


Agreed his physical being can and most likely be improved over time. Just a little concerning that he can't move for more than 10 seconds without drastically slowing down. Not something that kills his grade obviously but it's something to think about.
RE: Before combine I never once heard  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 3:24 pm : link
In comment 12145422 jayg5 said:
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One so called draft expert very high on Peat. If course he has the size to be considered a left tackle but everything you read about him basically states he's not very good in pass pro, he doesn't bend well, he doesn't play to a man his size. Today seems like everything that scouts have said about him on film is true.


Not that I care about the Kipers and McShays if thats what you mean by expert...but I am pretty sure everyone has had Peat in their top 3 at worst since the beginning of the 2014 season.
IMO Scherff helped himself more with the 1.78 split  
NoGainDayne : 2/20/2015 3:25 pm : link
than hurt himself with the 23 reps.

I love seeing Dupree come in at 269. To me that means he can be coached to exhibit more power and won't be a liability in the run game (again with some coaching). Him and JPP could potentially be terrors together. If he can run in the low 4.6's he starts to get intriguing at 9.

Fowler is tough because i'm not sure he has enough bulk at 261 or room on his frame to add the neccessary power to be good in the run game. You can't take a pure pass rush guy at 9.

I'm a bigger Gurley person than Gordon (wouldn't take either at 9 though) but very concerning that he won't let his knee get inspected. If Gurley is there in the 2nd and we address the Oline in FA i'd take a hard look at him there still.



I  
AcidTest : 2/20/2015 3:25 pm : link
could see it being:

Round One: Fowler.
Round Two: Clemmings.

I'm not saying I would take Clemmings at #40. I probably wouldn't. I'd like to stay away from late position switchers until at least day three. But you can see the talent. There are plays where he is really excellent. The position just isn't instinctive for him yet. He also has the necessary size, is dedicated, and has no character problems. I could easily see Reese taking him at #40, especially if we land a starting G in FA.
EJ Bibbs  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 3:27 pm : link
TE from Iowa State. He has shown the best combo of hands/short area burst of all these TEs. Lacks some size though....but I have really liked him from the beginning.
RE: RE: Sy  
giants#1 : 2/20/2015 3:27 pm : link
In comment 12145466 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 12145418 JonC said:


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I've been saying for awhile Peat's conditioning is suspect. He gets tired, begins reaching and bending at the waist instead of moving his feet, and he falls over. I tend to think that's correctable on the whole.

He's also still a kid, carries a lot of baby fat to my eye, but he will be a huge man, 330-340 without the baby fat.

The questions regarding his toughness etc will be answered now too.



Agreed his physical being can and most likely be improved over time. Just a little concerning that he can't move for more than 10 seconds without drastically slowing down. Not something that kills his grade obviously but it's something to think about.


With McAdoo's faster paced offense, I wonder how much more of an emphasis they'd put on conditioning. With Gilbride's milk the 40 clock pace, he would've had plenty of time to recover between plays. (half kidding)
RE: I  
Jay on the Island : 2/20/2015 3:28 pm : link
In comment 12145473 AcidTest said:
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could see it being:

Round One: Fowler.
Round Two: Clemmings.

I'm not saying I would take Clemmings at #40. I probably wouldn't. I'd like to stay away from late position switchers until at least day three. But you can see the talent. There are plays where he is really excellent. The position just isn't instinctive for him yet. He also has the necessary size, is dedicated, and has no character problems. I could easily see Reese taking him at #40, especially if we land a starting G in FA.


I would be thrilled with Clemmings in round 2 if the GIants didn't go OL in round 1. Clemmings won't last to pick 40 though and some team will take him in the 20-32 range. He has the most upside of any OL but he is very raw and therefore a risk as Greg Robinson was a season ago.
Sy  
jayg5 : 2/20/2015 3:29 pm : link
I'm talking in terms of being a top 10 pick in draft
Gurley in the 2nd round  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/20/2015 3:31 pm : link
would be a dream. I would take that risk.

If he were completely healthy, he'd be a Top 5 prospect in my eyes (although RBs in the Top 5 might be a dated concept).
and greg  
area junc : 2/20/2015 3:32 pm : link
robinson went #2 overall

clemmings at 40? c'mon now
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12145482 jayg5 said:
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I'm talking in terms of being a top 10 pick in draft


Again I don't really keep track of where those guys rank anyone (you'd be surprised how they actually rank them)....but I can recall several guys labeling him a top 10 guy in the fall.
RE: and greg  
Sy'56 : 2/20/2015 3:34 pm : link
In comment 12145488 area junc said:
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robinson went #2 overall

clemmings at 40? c'mon now


Those two aren't comparable as prospects.
never said they  
area junc : 2/20/2015 3:38 pm : link
were. making a point that being raw technique-wise doesn't disqualify from top 10.
RE: Nick Boyle 5.04  
Anakim : 2/20/2015 3:51 pm : link
In comment 12145189 jeff57 said:
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Ugh


Motherfucker. He was a favorite TE of mine. Thought he'd run in the 4.8s
Jake Fisher  
Coach Mason : 2/20/2015 3:51 pm : link
Killed it in the kick slide drill
We're far removed from Greg Olson's 4.45...  
Anakim : 2/20/2015 3:52 pm : link
How did Josue Matias do?
RE: RE: from reading these comments  
blueblood : 2/20/2015 3:53 pm : link
In comment 12145370 Emil said:
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In comment 12145366 robbieballs2003 said:


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WR is looking better and better at 9.



That in fact may be the reality


Truth because I am not impressed with any of these OL as a #9 overall. I would much rather get a guy with better value in round 2.. None of them to me is a step in RT that are good enough to force Pugh to RT..

Scherff I dont feel is worth that value pick @ ( especially if he is will be playing guard..

Guys like Clemmings and FLowers to me need a little more time in the oven.. so I dont see the value @ 8..

Jake Fisher would be good value @ 2.. He made some money today.. Erving would be a good pick there as well.. He can definitely a guard/Center combo.. he also played Tackle...

Marpet made himself some money today as well..

I will be out all day tomorrow.. I am recording the whole day.. I want to see the WR's and RB's
In a very weak TE class  
Coach Mason : 2/20/2015 3:54 pm : link
I think Clive stands out as he has a very long wingspan over Maxx which is something the Giants value greatly
Sy  
jayg5 : 2/20/2015 4:11 pm : link
Understood. But like everyone else I read a lot on him and most say the same thing about him. Bottom line is they say the tape on him doesn't warrant top 10 and based on what most of this discussion on Peat has been he just doesn't sound like a sure thing. I guess the positive for Peat is there doesn't seem to be many left tackles in this draft.
Blown Hammy  
BlueinRoch : 2/20/2015 4:11 pm : link
Scherff blows out his hammy running the 40 at the combine. He must be our guy!!!
I saw a good amount of Jake Fisher  
Anakim : 2/20/2015 4:14 pm : link
While he looks the part and has the athleticism, it doesn't seem to translate into his gameplay. I saw him routinely get beat off the edge. I don't understand. Maybe it's a coaching issue because he definitely looks like and has the abilities of a LT, but he's very inconsistent. At least that's what i saw of him.
I like what I saw from Fisher  
jayg5 : 2/20/2015 4:19 pm : link
I saw he got beat in a couple games on inside moves but in terms of being able to mirror a defensive end and nuetralize them I felt he is at the top of the list.
Sammie Coates & Kevin White  
Big Rick in FL : 2/20/2015 4:32 pm : link
Tied for the lead on bench with 23 reps.
The TE's were slow  
Randy in CT : 2/20/2015 5:13 pm : link
and dropped a bunch of balls. The Olinemen were pretty slow (even a bit more than typically it seemed) and don't knock your socks off.

I think we go playmaker on D-line or WR.
All signs  
Mr. Nickels : 2/20/2015 5:16 pm : link
point to Dline.

There is no way we take a WR the year after Beckham and at a higher pick.
Annoying that we won't get to see Scherff in agility drills  
NoGainDayne : 2/20/2015 5:30 pm : link
I really was looking for that info but then again if he did very well he wouldn't be there at 9 IMO.

I agree the way things are shaking out right now it's looking like DL, WR, OL in terms of value and likelihood of pick. We have to see how the DL and WR runs first though. Bad times with the WRs and OL jumps back ahead IMO
Ali market  
Zebra3 : 2/20/2015 5:40 pm : link
Can run for a big guy.
Ali Marpet  
Zebra3 : 2/20/2015 5:41 pm : link
Dam iPhone
Gotta say I'm off the Peat bandwagon after today.  
yatqb : 2/20/2015 5:42 pm : link
I really liked his tape, but he looked totally unprepared, winded and unathletic today. Any kid so unprepared for his first real job test is not a top 10 pick.
I don't know gentlemen, but..  
drkenneth : 2/20/2015 6:04 pm : link
WR seems to be BPA at #9...At least right now.
Agree on Peat.  
Crispino : 2/20/2015 6:15 pm : link
Underwhelming at best.
I've been on the Scherff bandwagon for awhile now, but I'm pretty surprised at the number of reps he did on the bench press. Strength was supposed to be his greatest asset. Of course, the number of bench press reps doesn't tell you haow he uses his size and leverage to move tacklers, but it raises eyebrows. I thought he looked good in the drills he did today before he got hurt. For a big guy, he moves very easily and naturally. Very fluid.
Jake Fisher ran an insanely good 20 yd ss and 3 cone  
sjnyfan : 2/20/2015 6:26 pm : link
His ss was 7.33 and 3 cone was 4.25. Both are better than any lineman from last year I believe. There will be WRs and RBs that won't have numbers that good and Fisher weighed in at 306 lbs. To give you a couple of examples, Kelvin Benjamin wasn't that good in either drill. I don't think Andre Williams did either.
WF seems to think Collins helped himself the most among OL  
jeff57 : 2/20/2015 6:28 pm : link
Today.
Link - ( New Window )
Crispino  
jayg5 : 2/20/2015 6:32 pm : link
If it makes you feel better Scherrf cleans over 430 pounds. So I don't make too much of the 23 reps for him. The guy is strong!
We have to see the DL  
Rjanyg : 2/20/2015 6:44 pm : link
And LB do their stuff before we can project the 9th pick. I'm looking forward to Fowler and DuPree. If they show good short area quickness they will be in the conversation.
Oleary is a solid kid  
Rjanyg : 2/20/2015 6:58 pm : link
Nice hands, runs good routes and is thick. If he is available in the 4th round he would be a nice addition.
RE: All signs  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 2/20/2015 7:08 pm : link
In comment 12145665 Mr. Nickels said:
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point to Dline.

There is no way we take a WR the year after Beckham and at a higher pick.


NYG aren't the Matt Millen Lions.
Bring on the DEs  
JonC : 2/20/2015 7:21 pm : link
and root for one or two to standout more than the WRs.
RE: RE: All signs  
Emil : 2/20/2015 7:29 pm : link
In comment 12145779 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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In comment 12145665 Mr. Nickels said:


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point to Dline.

There is no way we take a WR the year after Beckham and at a higher pick.



NYG aren't the Matt Millen Lions.


No they are not, but that doesn't mean they won't take a WR at #9. The problem with the Lions was they had no QB but kept taking WRs in the top of the draft. A WR without a QB to get him the ball is useless. Giants are the exact opposite. They have a successful franchise QB and therefore are never wrong adding more weapons to the offense. WR is a realistic possibility at #9. Especially if White goes first and Cooper is still there at #9.
RE: Bring on the DEs  
Emil : 2/20/2015 7:34 pm : link
In comment 12145797 JonC said:
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and root for one or two to standout more than the WRs.


Jon, we agree again. This is exactly how it's all shaping up. I think the Giants will end up sitting at #9 and seeing which player should be a top 5 pick but happens to still be there.

If you assume two QBs are going prior to the Giants pick, there is a good possibility one of the top two WRs or an edge rusher you like is there at #9. If I'm Reese my board of likely available at #9 is.

1. DE Shane Ray (if you think he can play 4-3 DE)
2. WR Amari Cooper
3. DE Bud Dupree (unless he bombs this weekend)
4. OT Ereck Flowers
5. OG Brandon Scherff
Marpet has made a name  
Simms11 : 2/20/2015 7:40 pm : link
for himself with outstanding showings in the Senior Bowl and combine. When will he get drafted and by whom? Had he moved up to the 3rd round?
Emil  
JonC : 2/20/2015 7:46 pm : link
Ray and Cooper will probably be gone.

Still really early, but I'm still keeping an eye on Peat and will hear something on him at some point. If what Colin's been hearing is accurate, he might not be to their liking to begin with. Let's see how Dupree and Fowler test and if any other DEs look like NYG options. If they're truly planning for the worst at WR, White or Parker figure to get long looks. The QBs will help push one target down to us.

Just don't know about the OL at this point, but I'd still wager they look long at Scherff and Flowers, but playmaker normally trumps OL.
Dante Fowler  
Rjanyg : 2/20/2015 7:59 pm : link
Is he considered 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE? I believe he has played both LB and DE at Florida. He is about the same size as Osi and looks like he has long arms. He just seems like a play maker.
Just  
AcidTest : 2/20/2015 8:01 pm : link
like every year, a lot of players will be drafted higher than they should be based on what they did at the combine and at post season games like the Senior Bowl or East West Shrine game.

Marpet may be one of those players. Because he looked good at the combine, and at one of the post season bowl games, he's now a day two pick? He's a DIII player. Somebody on another thread said they would take Marpet over Ogbuehi, a DI player who has faced the best competition at the college level, and who many still think will develop into an excellent tackle in the NFL. Crazy.
I don't get the love for Dupree  
robbieballs2003 : 2/20/2015 8:03 pm : link
He gets tossed around. No way the Giants value that at 9. He also plays standing up not with his hand on the ground meaning he tries to just turn the corner on OTs and TEs. We would be asking him to get his hands on the OTs and TEs. He is way too much of a project as a 4-3 DE.
RE: Dante Fowler  
AcidTest : 2/20/2015 8:03 pm : link
In comment 12145859 Rjanyg said:
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Is he considered 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE? I believe he has played both LB and DE at Florida. He is about the same size as Osi and looks like he has long arms. He just seems like a play maker.


I would take Fowler. Then White. But both will probably be gone.
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