First day of on-field timing, drills and workouts are not only finally here, but we'll start seeing separation for players that are under what many people consider our #1 need, an offensive lineman.
The frontrunners at tackle are of course Stanford's
Andrus Peat, Iowa's
Brandon Scherff and LSU's
La'el Collins. After 37 reps on the bench yesterday, my favorite OT, Miami's
Ereck Flowers could solidify a spot in the top 10 with a strong workout on field today. Keep an eye on the workouts of
Jake Fisher and
DJ Humphries. With good ones I think they could start seeing 1st rd buzz. A few other tackles who I think will improve their stock today are
Donovan Smith and
Rob Havenstein. Versatile sleepers are
Sean Hickey,
Andrew Donnal and
Mitch Morse.
Cedric Ogbuehi of course will not be working out.
The top interior lineman are
AJ Cann and
Laken Tomlinson. Cann could go in Rd 1.
Cameron Erving, who started the season as one of the nation's top OT's goes into the combine as arguably the top C. Small school star
Ali Marpet had a big week at the Senior Bowl and can continue his ascent with a strong combine. I think he'll run a sub-5 40. A couple of sleepers are
Jon Feliciano,
Andrew Gallik and
Max Garcia. A huge omission here is McNeese State's
Antoine Everett. He was invited but there will be more about him throughout the process.
At TE the top two are
Maxx Williams and
Clive Walford but the #3 spot is wide open. NJ's own
Nick Boyle could grab that spot. Penn St.'s
Jesse James could too. The draft advisory board suggested the underclassman go back to Happy Valley but he has freakish athleticism for someone 6'7". He could blow up the combine. The only TE that I know of who won't be working out is
Rory 'Busta' Anderson.
Lastly, ST doesn't get much attention but a player who I hope gets mentioned is the lone long snapper, Navy's
Joe Cardona. Not only for planning to serve our country but because he's a damn good long snapper. People will chide the position but ST coaches are well aware of him and when he's ready/able, he'll be in the league. He's been clocked at snapping the ball faster than anyone else (41 mph), does it for punts and FGs, and is perfect every time.
I won't be able to post all 40 times today like previous years so if someone wants to take the task, thanks. I will on Saturday and Sunday. There's also the
Google Docs link. Coverage begins on NFL Network at 9.
He's also still a kid, carries a lot of baby fat to my eye, but he will be a huge man, 330-340 without the baby fat.
The questions regarding his toughness etc will be answered now too.
Agreed his physical being can and most likely be improved over time. Just a little concerning that he can't move for more than 10 seconds without drastically slowing down. Not something that kills his grade obviously but it's something to think about.
Not that I care about the Kipers and McShays if thats what you mean by expert...but I am pretty sure everyone has had Peat in their top 3 at worst since the beginning of the 2014 season.
I love seeing Dupree come in at 269. To me that means he can be coached to exhibit more power and won't be a liability in the run game (again with some coaching). Him and JPP could potentially be terrors together. If he can run in the low 4.6's he starts to get intriguing at 9.
Fowler is tough because i'm not sure he has enough bulk at 261 or room on his frame to add the neccessary power to be good in the run game. You can't take a pure pass rush guy at 9.
I'm a bigger Gurley person than Gordon (wouldn't take either at 9 though) but very concerning that he won't let his knee get inspected. If Gurley is there in the 2nd and we address the Oline in FA i'd take a hard look at him there still.
Round One: Fowler.
Round Two: Clemmings.
I'm not saying I would take Clemmings at #40. I probably wouldn't. I'd like to stay away from late position switchers until at least day three. But you can see the talent. There are plays where he is really excellent. The position just isn't instinctive for him yet. He also has the necessary size, is dedicated, and has no character problems. I could easily see Reese taking him at #40, especially if we land a starting G in FA.
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I've been saying for awhile Peat's conditioning is suspect. He gets tired, begins reaching and bending at the waist instead of moving his feet, and he falls over. I tend to think that's correctable on the whole.
He's also still a kid, carries a lot of baby fat to my eye, but he will be a huge man, 330-340 without the baby fat.
The questions regarding his toughness etc will be answered now too.
Agreed his physical being can and most likely be improved over time. Just a little concerning that he can't move for more than 10 seconds without drastically slowing down. Not something that kills his grade obviously but it's something to think about.
With McAdoo's faster paced offense, I wonder how much more of an emphasis they'd put on conditioning. With Gilbride's milk the 40 clock pace, he would've had plenty of time to recover between plays. (half kidding)
Round One: Fowler.
Round Two: Clemmings.
I'm not saying I would take Clemmings at #40. I probably wouldn't. I'd like to stay away from late position switchers until at least day three. But you can see the talent. There are plays where he is really excellent. The position just isn't instinctive for him yet. He also has the necessary size, is dedicated, and has no character problems. I could easily see Reese taking him at #40, especially if we land a starting G in FA.
I would be thrilled with Clemmings in round 2 if the GIants didn't go OL in round 1. Clemmings won't last to pick 40 though and some team will take him in the 20-32 range. He has the most upside of any OL but he is very raw and therefore a risk as Greg Robinson was a season ago.
If he were completely healthy, he'd be a Top 5 prospect in my eyes (although RBs in the Top 5 might be a dated concept).
clemmings at 40? c'mon now
Again I don't really keep track of where those guys rank anyone (you'd be surprised how they actually rank them)....but I can recall several guys labeling him a top 10 guy in the fall.
clemmings at 40? c'mon now
Those two aren't comparable as prospects.
Motherfucker. He was a favorite TE of mine. Thought he'd run in the 4.8s
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WR is looking better and better at 9.
That in fact may be the reality
Truth because I am not impressed with any of these OL as a #9 overall. I would much rather get a guy with better value in round 2.. None of them to me is a step in RT that are good enough to force Pugh to RT..
Scherff I dont feel is worth that value pick @ ( especially if he is will be playing guard..
Guys like Clemmings and FLowers to me need a little more time in the oven.. so I dont see the value @ 8..
Jake Fisher would be good value @ 2.. He made some money today.. Erving would be a good pick there as well.. He can definitely a guard/Center combo.. he also played Tackle...
Marpet made himself some money today as well..
I will be out all day tomorrow.. I am recording the whole day.. I want to see the WR's and RB's
I think we go playmaker on D-line or WR.
There is no way we take a WR the year after Beckham and at a higher pick.
I agree the way things are shaking out right now it's looking like DL, WR, OL in terms of value and likelihood of pick. We have to see how the DL and WR runs first though. Bad times with the WRs and OL jumps back ahead IMO
I've been on the Scherff bandwagon for awhile now, but I'm pretty surprised at the number of reps he did on the bench press. Strength was supposed to be his greatest asset. Of course, the number of bench press reps doesn't tell you haow he uses his size and leverage to move tacklers, but it raises eyebrows. I thought he looked good in the drills he did today before he got hurt. For a big guy, he moves very easily and naturally. Very fluid.
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There is no way we take a WR the year after Beckham and at a higher pick.
NYG aren't the Matt Millen Lions.
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There is no way we take a WR the year after Beckham and at a higher pick.
NYG aren't the Matt Millen Lions.
No they are not, but that doesn't mean they won't take a WR at #9. The problem with the Lions was they had no QB but kept taking WRs in the top of the draft. A WR without a QB to get him the ball is useless. Giants are the exact opposite. They have a successful franchise QB and therefore are never wrong adding more weapons to the offense. WR is a realistic possibility at #9. Especially if White goes first and Cooper is still there at #9.
Jon, we agree again. This is exactly how it's all shaping up. I think the Giants will end up sitting at #9 and seeing which player should be a top 5 pick but happens to still be there.
If you assume two QBs are going prior to the Giants pick, there is a good possibility one of the top two WRs or an edge rusher you like is there at #9. If I'm Reese my board of likely available at #9 is.
1. DE Shane Ray (if you think he can play 4-3 DE)
2. WR Amari Cooper
3. DE Bud Dupree (unless he bombs this weekend)
4. OT Ereck Flowers
5. OG Brandon Scherff
Still really early, but I'm still keeping an eye on Peat and will hear something on him at some point. If what Colin's been hearing is accurate, he might not be to their liking to begin with. Let's see how Dupree and Fowler test and if any other DEs look like NYG options. If they're truly planning for the worst at WR, White or Parker figure to get long looks. The QBs will help push one target down to us.
Just don't know about the OL at this point, but I'd still wager they look long at Scherff and Flowers, but playmaker normally trumps OL.
Marpet may be one of those players. Because he looked good at the combine, and at one of the post season bowl games, he's now a day two pick? He's a DIII player. Somebody on another thread said they would take Marpet over Ogbuehi, a DI player who has faced the best competition at the college level, and who many still think will develop into an excellent tackle in the NFL. Crazy.
I would take Fowler. Then White. But both will probably be gone.