Not much to say about QB. It's Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota and everyone else. It's been said many times but this is a very weak class. If there's one QB that may be worth developing though, it's South Alabama's Brandon Bridge. He's from Canada, went to Alcorn St before South Alabama and is very toolsy. Outside of Wes Saxton, who performed well yesterday, he played with alot of players on offense that won't have NFL careers. He didn't have a great completion percentage but he has NFL size, definitely an NFL arm and FWIW, made the finals of the air it out challenge at the Manning Passing Academy last year, beating out players such as Bryce Petty and Mariota. There's definitely buzz here but he needs a strong offensive mind to develop him.
Last year's WR class was historic, so this year's class has a lot to live up to. I still think Amari Cooper is the #1 guy but is getting over analyzed at this point. He may have been 4th or 5th compared to guys from last year but should still be the first one this year. I'll be watching WVU's Kevin White closely. I think he'll have a good 40 but his 3 cone and ss are more important. I also look forward to his gauntlet. White had a great season with some head scratching drops. Then you see 9 inch hands and it kind of makes sense. Devante Parker will have a good showing I think. There's many other guys in the first rd mix but the player I'm looking forward to the most is Philip Dorsett. Not only do I think he'll run the fastest time, I think Chris Johnson's record is in jeopardy. I don't think Dorial Green Beckham will have a good day and his first rd buzz will cease but we'll see. Smaller school sleepers I'm looking forward to are Northern Illinois's Da'Ron Brown and Central Arkansas's Dezmin Lewis.
Last but not least, RB is the deepest position in this draft so I'm looking forward to this more than any other position, especially since I still think the Giants could use another. If Melvin Gordon didn't compete I still think he'd be #1. It's unfortunate that Tevin Coleman's injury will keep him from participating. I think Duke Johnson is the #2 back in this class and will put up great numbers in the timed events and drills. FSU's Karlos Williams needs a big day to make up for a rather disappointing season. I think some negative stereotypes are pushing down the stocks of Yale's Tyler Varga and S. Dakota St.'s Zach Zenner, one of my favorite players in this draft on and off the field. Both I think are better than advertised and will be recognized as such after imo. After a strong all star game UNI's David Johnson could help himself further with good timed drills. So many RB's, including several underclassmen who I hope made the right decision but again, we'll see. Coverage starts at 9 again on NFL Network.
That time is more than a bit disappointing. It's lousy for him.
Charles: 4.38 40 -- 5'11" -- 200 lbs
Gordon: 4.52 40 --- 6'1" -- 215 lbs
Stylistically similar but different from a physical standpoint.
That's usually the case for most players. They do better at their pro days than they do at the Combine. Some of it has to do with the surface they run on, methinks.
I love his hands. I forget who it was against but he ran a route up the seam and caught it over his shoulder like a receiver taking it for a touchdown. He made it look natural.
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but this isn't an Aaron Rodgers situation. Nassib is a nice developmental guy and could really build some trade value if Eli went down at length (and may have some now) but their trajectories are not really in line. Assuming health, Eli plays for several more years and almost certainly does so in blue. And Nassib isn't going to be the backup for that long, he'll leave and find a place where he has at least an outside shot to compete for a starting job.
Eli has been remarkably healthy. He'll probably stay that away, especially if as Mara said the Giants devote more resources to "building a wall" around him. But it only takes one play, and even if he does stay healthy, his arm strength could simply deteriorate because of age to the point where he can't make all the necessary throws. There are only so many throws in any arm, and this has been a pass heavy team during his tenure.
My guess is that the Giants extend Eli in such a way that there would only be a minimal cap hit if they cut him after 2016. If they do that, then this is definitely a Favre Rodgers situation.
Favre was 38 when he was urged out in GB. There is no way you groom someone to be the next starter when the opportunity could, and very likely would, present itself in Nassib's fifth or sixth year in the league. If he is not getting starting reps by his fourth year in the league (2016) he will simply leave in free agency.
38. 36. In sports years, there isn't much difference. Some guys are still effective in their sport at 40. Others are done at 35. Everybody is different. Eli is 34 in a violent game. He could still be very good two years from now, or his arm could be done, even if he is still healthy. I would never assume that a QB who still has enough zip to make all the throws at 34, will be able to do so at 36. The odds are that he will, but bodies break down, and 34 to 36 is not the same as 24 to 26, or even 30 to 32. Some athletes decline gradually, but others do so dramatically. The highest level of sports is decided by the smallest of margins. Only a small decrease in arm strength may therefore be enough to prevent Eli from being able to make all the necessary throws. He is also throwing against the best athletes in the world, most of whom are already five to ten years younger.
It's pretty clear the Giants will extend Eli, but the nature of the extension will tell us a lot about how they regard Nassib. My guess as I said is that any extension is done in a way that minimizes the cap hit after the 2016 season, just as Nassib's rookie contract expires.
Sure if Eli is still throwing well at 36, then I guess Nassib will leave. But even then you're taking a chance, because the older a player gets, the more likely their skill set will decline to the point where they are no longer effective. Eli's football life after 36 is small. I'd therefore have to be convinced that even a 36 or 37 year old Eli had a real chance of getting back to a SB, or I would move on to the next generation. Because of that I see Nassib as somebody who really could be the QB for the Giants in 2017.
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built like a MAC truck and ran a 4.5 with a 1.58 10 yd split. Can catch the football too. One of my favorite so far as a two way threat RB for the Giants
I love his hands. I forget who it was against but he ran a route up the seam and caught it over his shoulder like a receiver taking it for a touchdown. He made it look natural.
Made himself some money today. I suspect the Giants were hoping he might last until the mid or later rounds. Little chance of that now. Could go in the 2nd round, or top of the 3rd.
I was surprised by how slow Abdullah and Ajayi's 40's were. But I'd be astounded if Abdullah doesn't look good in the rest of the drills.
40's don't tell everything, and sometimes, they don't tell anything.
+1. He seems to be the well rounded threat that Reese is looking for. My only question is, is as much a HR hitter as Tevin Coleman is though?
After the combine numbers (which just further cemented the game tape), if any of the 3 WRs are there he is most likely BPA.
For as good as the top WRs were it was almost the opposite for the top LT prospects. The ones that did well were more of the unpolished/developmental types.
I'd definitely consider one of Fisher,Clemmings or Humphries at 40 but not without a substancial trade-back from 9 into the late teens minimum.
IMO cooper and white won't be there at 9 now. It looks like the best value would be Parker or one of the guys above. Unless Winston doesn't go top 8 at which point Parker, Fowler or Dupree depending on how they test out
1. I really thought Abdullah would run faster. Going to be a tough sell for a small RB with 4.6 speed and fumble concerns.
2. No issue with Ajayi's 40. Big back with sub 4.6 speed who finishes runs. But he fumbles too.
3. Some may have expected Melvin Gordon to run faster but 4.52 is still very fast for a RB. If he can sustain that speed for 60 yards then he can break away. I don't think this hurts him much.
4. David Johnson, loved him going into the combine and love him even more now. I would not hesitate to spend a 2nd round pick on him. He is a complete back. He can run, catch, block, and play special teams. I think we was also a team captain, so you know he's on the short list.
5. Cameron Artis-Payne is someone I have not paid that much attention to. Good workout today and super productive in college. Seems to be flying under the radar a bit. Anyone have any more insight?
6. Duke Johnson didn't hurt himself much today. 4.55 is plenty fast, especially if he can sustain that speed over distance. A lot of these guys can't. Just keep this in mind, Jerry Rice's 40 time was nothing special, but Bill Walsh recognized that he hit top speed quickly and sustained it over distance. He was running just as fast at 60yds as he was at 40, so no one was catching him from behind. You want a home run threat, check to see what his 10yd split is and if he is slowing down at 40yds. If he's not, you got a gamebreaker.
IMO cooper and white won't be there at 9 now. It looks like the best value would be Parker or one of the guys above. Unless Winston doesn't go top 8 at which point Parker, Fowler or Dupree depending on how they test out
What's everyone's take on Ray being able to play 4-3 DE.
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White passed Cooper on some boards although I would take Amari first. Some will get on me for this but I would not take Parker at 9. Height weight speed but didn't like some of the drill work which when combined with his route running causes some question if he can use his size as effectively in NFL
...Kevin White is now the #1 receiver in the NFL Draft.
He will be draft in Top 5.
Could easily be Top 3.
...Kevin White is now the #1 receiver in the NFL Draft.
He will be draft in Top 5.
Could easily be Top 3.
They are 1 and 1a at the position for me but I just like Amari a smidge more. That being said I do see a drop between them and the rest of the crop
That's a bummer. Some people were speculating that he could run in the 4.4s.
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{quote}Chris Conley, WR, Georgia:
There's always one receiver who runs faster than expected or jumps higher than anticipated. This year, it could be Chris Conley of Georgia, who could break into the 4.3s (listed as a 4.55s forty by scouts entering the season) and later jump north of 42-inches in the vertical. [/quote]
We need an all-around RB. Someone who can be a force in both passing & rushing game. A complete back.
Jennings is very good, but is pushing 30 and coming off some injuries. Williams is a very nice #2 (I like him a lot) but is a goof when recieving.
I think Reese needs to add a weapon on offense in the 1st 3 rounds. WR or RB (or both).
We need an all-around RB. Someone who can be a force in both passing & rushing game. A complete back.
Jennings is very good, but is pushing 30 and coming off some injuries. Williams is a very nice #2 (I like him a lot) but is a goof when recieving.
I think Reese needs to add a weapon on offense in the 1st 3 rounds. WR or RB (or both).
Duke Johnson actually reminds me a bit of Tiki (excellent vision and solid receiving skills for the position)