Amari Cooper Vs Kevin White.

I like White, too, but Cooper has bigger hands, is slightly quicker if not as straightline fast and is only 20.

But I think Kevin White would make a better complement to Cruz and OBJ. That said, I don't expect either to be available when the Giants are on the clock. And if one were, I would guess there to be some pretty attractive offers from teams seeking to trade up.

In the little bit of video I watched, before the combine, I came away with the impression that white is the superior prospect. That's me. Time will tell.

we're drafting neither one of those two gentleme.

In comment 12147483 SHO'NUFF said:

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we're drafting neither one of those two gentleme.

Hopefully the Jets take a QB. There's just no way you pass on Mariota or Winston if your the jets.

Yeah White ran a faster 40, but that means nothing. Cooper ran the 40 virtually the same as Odell. His hands are in inch bigger then White's hands. His 3 come & short shuttle which the Giants have put much more stock into are better then any WR in this class. His 10 yard split is also better then Whites. Cooper has way better hands. Only dropped 6 passes on 120 catchable passes last year. That's damn good. Had 1727 yards and 16 TDs in the best conference in college football.

Who can run more of the route tree? idk since I am not a college watcher. The more places you can line up someone, the more valuable they are. Which one is better?

In comment 12147510 JohnB said:

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Who can run more of the route tree? idk since I am not a college watcher. The more places you can line up someone, the more valuable they are. Which one is better?

Those are two different things. Better route runner goes to Cooper. Where you are lining these guys up? White has more experience with that, imo. However, with Cooper's 3 cone numbers I think he can line up all over too. I like White's size and ability to go attack the ball. That can never be undervalued. Cooper seems to have trouble dealing with press coverage. I personally like White better in our offense but either would be a perfect pick for our team.

I think there are only two teams ahead of the Giants that really need a WR...the Raiders and the Jets.

If the draft broke the way many are projecting, Mariota would be available when the Jets picked...and I can't see the Jets passing on him for a WR.

That means either Cooper or White would be available when the Giants picked, depending upon which WR the Raiders preferred.

It's also not inconceivable that the Raiders would go for the bigger WR, White.

And if Cooper were available at 9, I think the Giants would take him.

In comment 12147525 Jim in Tampa said:

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I think there are only two teams ahead of the Giants that really need a WR...the Raiders and the Jets. If the draft broke the way many are projecting, Mariota would be available when the Jets picked...and I can't see the Jets passing on him for a WR. That means either Cooper or White would be available when the Giants picked, depending upon which WR the Raiders preferred. It's also not inconceivable that the Raiders would go for the bigger WR, White. And if Cooper were available at 9, I think the Giants would take him.

Tennessee is the wild card and I totally agree that it really only seems like the Jets and Raiders need a WR. However, look at STL right below us. They could possibly trade up to snag a WR before us.

I dont believe " the draft " hyped Sammy Watkins. Watkins is a very gifted receiver who has explosive burst. He is a fast twitch athlete who has the ability to take a short area catches for big gains. Top notch YAC skills. In fact he is very much like a running back after the catch. He also had college production to match, He has speed and hands.

However in Buffalo he had Ej Manuel and Kyle Orton throwing him the ball. I would venture to say that if he had Eli throwing him the ball he would have produced more than he did in his rookie year.

That takes nothing away from OBJ accomplishments this year which were superb. Not even the Giants thought he would showcase himself the way he did this year.

Now as far as Kevin White vs Amari Cooper. They are BOTH good receivers.. Many people already had WHite as their number one receiver because he has a higher ceiling.. although Cooper has a much lower floor. All things being equal in general you prefer the bigger taller receiver with a larger catch radius. White has that over Cooper. He is a goes up and gets it guy.. He high points the ball very well. What surprised everyone was his straight line speed. It was thought he would have to run under a 4.5 and He had one of the fastest times of the day at his size.. Which was NOT expected.. He has college production.. He runs after the catch with power.. doesnt go down easy,, He plays inside and outside as a WR as well and his route running improved..

He came from the Juco level and is still ascending as a WR..

Amari Cooper on the other hand is not a big.. or as fast.. However his burst and short area quickness is excellent as evidenced by his short shuttle and 3 cone drill results where he is near the top of the athletes at the combine. This is what was expected of Cooper.. He comes from a pro style offense which should help him adjust quickly to the NFL. He is already a superb route runner which everyone knows can definitely help you get open in the NFL even if you have OK speed. Cooper has better than OK long speed and excellent short area quickness..

If I were to compare the two.. Id Say Kevin White is like a AJ Green and Cooper like Reggie Wayne in his prime..

So the truth is.. BOTH are top notch receivers.. but because White's ceiling is higher and he is a bigger more physical guy many people will have him as number one.. That doesnt mean Cooper isnt good.. They both have the potential to be All Pro receivers at the NFL level.

White is like a faster Anquan Boldin but I don't like that comparison either. He really reminds me of a better DeAndre Hopkins. I like the Wayne comparison for Cooper. Cooper is nastier than Wayne though.

Game speed has to go to Cooper. Cooper also gets in and out of his breaks much faster then White. Everybody is making it seem like Kevin White is much bigger then Cooper. Cooper was 6'1 & White was 6`2.5. Everything I've read makes it seem like White is 6'5.

Cooper is similar to Odell coming out of college IMO. Except he's 2 inches taller & 12 pounds heavier. There measurables (40, BJ, 3 cone, SS) are pretty damn close.

White is a very good WR also. I just think he has a much higher chance of being a bust then Cooper. Depending on the situation I think Cooper can have an Odell type impact as a rookie.

in College stood out more? Who did they face on their schedules?

That's all that matters..Did anyone put OBJ in Watkins' or Evans' class last draft?

In comment 12147533 Big Blue '56 said:

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in College stood out more? Who did they face on their schedules? That's all that matters..Did anyone put OBJ in Watkins' or Evans' class last draft?

I absolutely did. I loved Beckham last year before the draft. I put him right behind Watkins and ahead of Evans.

Cooper has been basically doing this since day one so he has the edge there. White really just burst onto the scene last year. That is why people say Cooper has a high floor. However, if White did this in just his first year really playing then what is his ceiling? He is still learning the game which is amazing. Cooper is still learning but has been in an NFL offense for a few years now so how much more is he going to grow?

2 inch height and one inch arm length advantage that White has.

AND, the height and arm length advantage is not nearly as important as their skills, talent, potential, and other intangibles that they demonstrated during competition for the NFL scouts which I am not in any position to evaluate.

If both are available, it's a jump ball so far as I'm concerned.

are immediately better with JW or MM. At this point in time, I do not see how you can write off Geno particularly if you analyse his performance after Decker was getting close to 100%.

Playing the percentages, Geno easily beats out both in a fair training camp competition. I am not claiming he is the better prospect. But it is not at all a given that he is not.

Although Decker is big, I view him as a possession wr, not someone who scares the opposition worried about big plays.

Consequently, I see White as the better fit for the Jets. Take away Decker, so that Kerley is all you have, and I would then favor Cooper.

I would rather have White for the Giants also with OBJ in the fold for a long time.

He was in an NFL style offense, but he was also doing it with a QB who has literally 0 NFL potential. He's also only 20 years old and he was putting up out of the world numbers.

Cooper did it for three years at Alabama and got better each year. White is a one year wonder. Cooper played in a pro style offense understands and knows the route tree, can play inside or out. White had excellent times for his height/weight but to me did not play at that speed during the season. He also had head scratching drops and that's where those 9 inch hands come in play. White accounted for nearly 35% of the teams offense. Cooper, nearly half. I think both still go in the top 10 but I'd rather have Cooper.

And drafting the kid from UCLA Brett Hundley or Bryce Petty in round two.

I think I've seen it mocked that way. It makes sense and I like the latter two QBs, I think they can be good pros.

He had White and Cooper rated lower than he had Beckham Evans and Watkins last year. So were are talking about good WR but not like last years big three. The Giants will hold true to their board and take BPA whether it's a WR, OL or any position they rates highest. Not ground breaking but just not sold on either WR.

For NYG

Reese doesn't miss in the first round too often and his record with receivers in the top 2 rounds is excellent. Even Randle has shown periods of great play, it's more a maturing thing for that young man.

Truthfully even if we don't go WR the Front office really hasn't missed on many round 1.

In comment 12147572 Carl in CT said:

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For NYG

If you look at our drafting patterns for the position an argument can be made that 3 cone, hand size ,arm length are even more important than the 40.

Cooper's arm length isn't tremendous for his size but are adequate especially when you factor in his hand size, 3 cone and most important his consistent production.

In comment 12147615 Coach Mason said:

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... Truthfully even if we don't go WR the Front office really hasn't missed on many round 1.

It's bad enough to "miss" on your first round pick ... it is unforgivable to "miss" on the 9th pick in the draft - the Giants get a pick in the top ten of the draft what, once every 30 years or so?

Forgot about Eli ... ok, once every 10 years or so ... lol

In comment 12147533 Big Blue '56 said:

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in College stood out more? Who did they face on their schedules? That's all that matters..Did anyone put OBJ in Watkins' or Evans' class last draft?

Well said Fiddy

is a crap shoot....there are really no such things, as sure things, but you do tend to go with the highest rated players at their position....

Was Odel better than Watkins or Evens, or was it because Eli was throwing to him, instead of the likes of McCown, Glennon, Manuel, or Orten?

Was Reese lucky that OBj was still there at 12?

Did anyone on this board, expect him to do what he did after all the hamstring problems?

You just don't know what you really have, until they actually go out there and play.....

In comment 12147533 Big Blue '56 said:

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in College stood out more? Who did they face on their schedules? That's all that matters..Did anyone put OBJ in Watkins' or Evans' class last draft?

Its not all that matters. If it was, the league wouldn't waste money on the combine and pro days and all that other stuff.

We may not see another rookie WR group do that for a very long time.

I do think Cooper is going to be really good but I don't think he'll have the same "wow" factor we saw last year.

I'm much higher on White now than I was a few months ago. I'd be happy with either one at 9, honestly. I think the value will be there.

and circus catches.. Give me production.. day in and day out..

In comment 12147713 chris r said:

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In comment 12147533 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: in College stood out more? Who did they face on their schedules? That's all that matters..Did anyone put OBJ in Watkins' or Evans' class last draft? Its not all that matters. If it was, the league wouldn't waste money on the combine and pro days and all that other stuff.

Any team will tell you that the tape matters more than anything..

One of the key points of the combine is actually the reason why it was created in the first place..

The medicals and measurements..

so we can pick up some extra picks

WR pure talent and potential alone I think Green-Beckham can better than both Cooper and White.

He's not quite Calvin Johnson, but he's not that far off - from a pure potential perspective.

The obvious questions with him are will he remain on the field to realize that potential.

And from the Giants standpoint I think Green-Beckham is what they're missing.

But because of where we're picking, I don't think we'll have a shot at him. He's too risky to take at 9 and probably isn't still there by our next pick.

Double Beckham's would be ridiculous, though. Those two would be a nightmare to have to cover. Especially if you put Cruz in the fold. Wishful thinking, really.

Giants aren't a realistic spot for him without a trade down and I hate being the trade down guy - so yeah it's not likely, and I think Cooper and White will both be good, but if 5 years from now looking back at that draft Green-Beckham winds up the best WR I wouldn't be surprised at all

The past two drafts have a lot of WR potential. If you missed out last year on a WR you really have no excuse this year missing out too.

He's a horrible route runner and not very quick twitch. And he didn't exactly blow up the combine like expected.

That combined with his character concerns I think will drop him into the middle - late rounds.

If I want a monster WR with AA I'd rather gamble on Waller.

good receivers and pass rushers there are in this draft, makes it seem unlikely that the Giants go "O" line in first round.

At this point seems like they wouldn't be getting the value that is there for the taking in pick 9.

I like Cooper better, because of production on the playing field. I have always had difficulty understanding how some of the things they do at the combine translate to the field.

I understand the concept of drills targeting specific skills necessary for success at given positions. But it seems such a sterile environment as the combine, does not necessarily equate to good application of those skills once live action begins.

and their ratings, Cooper would be the BPA if still there at 9, and therefore, would most likely be the pick. Now, one would have to assume that the oline would also be fixed in Free Agency, otherwise, tie-breakers would be position of need IMO.

...on the one hand I never thought in a million years that the Giants would go WR at #9 given that they are the worst team in NFL at the POA (both sides of the ball considered).

On the other hand, I think your logic is dead on and it might just be too irresistible to allow Cooper to slip past the 9 hole.

Cooper or White may be wearing Blue next fall.

What guy has decent combine numbers coupled with good production that fits our offensive or defensive system?

The combine has made WR even a bigger possibility than before.

...excellent, excellent comparison of Cooper & White.

I'm gonna cry in my beer if the Giants go WR at 9, so I would only choose one of these guys if another team behind us is Jonesing for one of them and will give us their 2.

But both of these guys are wonderful players. But the Giants best talented position right now IS at WR... and we need men with testicles at the POA.

Amari seems more polished and nfl ready. White seems more of a out muscle defenders WR.

Cooper seems to fit perfect in our offense with quick passes and YAC.
(only thing about cooper is he seems to rely on catching with his body.)
If we got cooper, defenses would have their hands full. he will get open all day on number and 3 corners.

White would be a great threat in the red zone for fades, and jump balls. he is a physical WR who can toss DBs. He plays like he is 6'5". I would be more worried about him if we had no other WRs.


BTW if we draft one of these guys, we would have ODB, Cruz (could be 100%), white/cooper and Randle as our fourth? Jennings is a good receiving back. If Donnell can work on his ball security and blocking more, Eli would have the best weapons in the league by far. Our OL can be fixed. I know people think we should take on in round one, but no one is really worth the 9th. too many uncertainties. not like last year. the same goes for pass rusher (who i would love to get a stud) but no one who seems to fit our systems. it is a lot of 3-4 OLB pass rushers. a whole lost of clint sintim. we have that in kennard already. no one i trust with the 9th. only donte fowler. thats it.

Cooper to the Jets at #6, Parker to the Giants at #9

In comment 12147750 blueblood said:

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In comment 12147713 chris r said: Quote: In comment 12147533 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: in College stood out more? Who did they face on their schedules? That's all that matters..Did anyone put OBJ in Watkins' or Evans' class last draft? Its not all that matters. If it was, the league wouldn't waste money on the combine and pro days and all that other stuff. Any team will tell you that the tape matters more than anything.. One of the key points of the combine is actually the reason why it was created in the first place.. The medicals and measurements..

And perhaps most importantly, face to face interviews..They need to get that "feel" for who they might be bringing aboard

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Cooper to the Jets at #6, Parker to the Giants at #9

Winner, winner chicken dinner.

The Jets need Corners.. they have ZERO.. the need OL.. They Need RB..

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The Jets need Corners.. they have ZERO.. the need OL.. They Need RB..

There aren't any corners projected to be in the top 10 so they won't be taking one at 6. OL looks weak for at pick at 9 so it seems more unlikely for the Jets and RB isn't going to happen. WR seems very much in play for them but it's the Jets so there is hope they mess it up.

the Jets biggest need is not WR.. Its QB, CB and OL.. a top flight OL does NOT help the Jets when you have Geno throwing the ball.. but then again.. it is the Jets,,