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2015 NFL COMBINE DAY 3 THREAD DL, LB

sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 8:55 am
Just like Day 1 of the combine, there are alot of players looking to gain separation on their draft status. It will also be followed very closely as it can very well be in play with the 9th pick.

Unfortunately, Shane Ray won't be participating due to injury. However his teammate, Markus Golden can help himself with a strong showing. Another pair of SEC teammates will be looking for a strong day as well. Kentucky's Alvin 'Bud' Dupree (who actually will be performing with the LBs) I think will light it up today, although I'm not sold on him as the 9th pick. His teammate Za'Darius Smith had a very good Shrine Week and can capitalize with a good day. Speaking of strong All Star weeks, Carl Davis from Iowa was one of the best players at the Senior Bowl regardless of position. However some choice words at interviews raise questions about work ethic. Depending on his interviews this week as well as his workout today can go a long way to solidifying a first rd grade. There are several names in play including Danny Shelton with his massive size, Dante Fowler who arguably has the top motor and Randy Fregory, who has a high ceiling but a low floor. But overall this is a talented bunch performing today. New names will emerge. There are many candidates but two that I'll be looking for are LSU's Danielle Hunter and Clemson's Grady Jarret. I think they're both a bit under the radar who could have very good days today.

At LB, my top two are Eric Kendricks and Clemson's Stephone Anthony. I think they will have good days. This year's Chris Borland will be Denzel Perryman. He's short,squatty, bulky and I don't think he'll time well but so what? He's a football player. I'm not a fan of Benardrick McKinney at ILB, especially at 9 but he's a bit of a freakish athlete too. Depending on how he performs though I'd wonder if some teams start considering him at OLB which I think he'd be a better player at the pro level. Paul Dawson of TCU will time well but REALLY needed to nail his interviews if he wants a chance to be a high pick. Red Flags. Shaq Thompson will only be performing as a LB so he'll need to nail it. Two underrated players that I'd like to see in blue that are underrated are Ben Heeney and Martrell Spaight.
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At DE Preston Smith could be of interest to the Giants  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 9:03 am : link
Smith fits the physical prototype the team favors at the psoition. Rumors have swirled they have their eye on Lynden Trail as well.

At LB McKinney could have an Urlacher type day. If he pulls it off he'll vault up draft boards.
Paul Dawson  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 9:04 am : link
What are these red flags people speak about? I've heard it numerous times and nobody has given an answer when asked.
Can't believe I forgot to mention Leonard Williams  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:05 am : link
Some believe he'll time under 5 seconds in the 40.

Vic Beasley surprised me with his weight and reps on the bench. I wonder how the extra weight will affect his timed drills.
I could not have less interest  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2015 9:06 am : link
in Randy Gregory. I saw him get manhandled all day when they played Wisconsin.
Number of other DL I like  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 9:07 am : link
DE from UCLA, Malcom Brown and Nate Orchard
If we cannot get a DT early  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 9:08 am : link
Also want to see Derrick Lott of Tennessee-Chattanooga
RE: Paul Dawson  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:11 am : link
In comment 12147554 Big Rick in FL said:
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What are these red flags people speak about? I've heard it numerous times and nobody has given an answer when asked.


Big Rick, he was late to meetings several times. He's missed weight room sessions. There's word he doesn't put in the film room work. He was suspended for Adderall. One of his own coaches said anonymously he's more of a role player than All American and Patterson has called him a knucklehead.
RE: I could not have less interest  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:11 am : link
In comment 12147556 Jon in NYC said:
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in Randy Gregory. I saw him get manhandled all day when they played Wisconsin.


I agree Jon. I see Dion Jordan
Denzel Perryman  
area junc : 2/22/2015 9:12 am : link
in round 2. huge value for us
Vic Beasley  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:13 am : link
4.66
RE: Vic Beasley  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 9:14 am : link
In comment 12147565 sjnyfan said:
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4.66


His teammate had a better 10 at 282
Malcom Brown, Texas  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:14 am : link
Not to be confused with Malcolm Brown, Texas RB

5.05
#9  
AcidTest : 2/22/2015 9:15 am : link
is too high for Dupree IMO. I'm more interested in Preston Smith or Za'Darius Smith later on in the draft. Carl Davis apparently put a lot of people off with his interviews at the SB. Malcolm Brown would be fine after a trade down. Hardison would be a good day three pick. OO from UCLA has had two hip surgeries IIRC. Also like Spaight.
RE: Malcom Brown, Texas  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 9:16 am : link
In comment 12147568 sjnyfan said:
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Not to be confused with Malcolm Brown, Texas RB

5.05


The 1.75 10 I look at more because DT rarely run 40 yards straight
Anthony Chickillo  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:17 am : link
Had a big East West Shrine game. Played out of position at the U.

4.77 but the 1.59 10 yd split is a very good time. Most Rbs and Wrs didn't time that well yesterday. Sleeper.
Carl Davis  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:19 am : link
5.19, 1.87 10 yd split at 6045, 320 lbs.
Carl Davis  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 9:19 am : link
1.87/5.19 not good
RE: RE: I could not have less interest  
area junc : 2/22/2015 9:22 am : link
In comment 12147562 sjnyfan said:
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In comment 12147556 Jon in NYC said:


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in Randy Gregory. I saw him get manhandled all day when they played Wisconsin.



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u gotta b careful w/this stuff.....everybody gets handled. every dog has their day. could have been lots of reasons for it but u cant make snap judgements



I agree Jon. I see Dion Jordan
sorry this was  
area junc : 2/22/2015 9:23 am : link
my comment:

u gotta b careful w/this stuff.....everybody gets handled. every dog has their day. could have been lots of reasons for it but u cant make snap judgements
Mario Edwards Jr.  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:23 am : link
4.84/1.76
Trey Flowers  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:25 am : link
1.84 10

4.94
4.66 for Beasley (1.72 split) is good...  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 9:26 am : link
but for a guy in the convo in the first half of Round 1 it doesn't really help him.
Dante Fowler Jr  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:26 am : link
1.59 10 yd

4.61
Even with a watch  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 9:27 am : link
Great time for Fowler
Markus Golden  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:27 am : link
1.72 10 yd

4.90
Great  
AcidTest : 2/22/2015 9:28 am : link
for Fowler. Can't imagine he'll be there at #9.
Randy Gregory  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:29 am : link
1.62 10 yd

4.64
RE: Dante Fowler Jr  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 9:30 am : link
In comment 12147588 sjnyfan said:
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1.59 10 yd

4.61


He is making himself some money this weekend. Came in a little light but measured long, great 40. Interested to see what Dupree and Harold do.
Eli Harold  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:30 am : link
1.68 10yd

4.61
Good times  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 9:33 am : link
For Beasley, Fowler and Gregory. They've all had a pretty good showing at the combine. Between the 2 QBs, Williams, Fowler, Gregory, Ray, Shelton and the 3 WRs the Giants will get a really good player.
Zach Hodges  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:33 am : link
1.63/4.74 Pulled up. May have hurt something. A red shirt is with him
Danielle Hunter  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:33 am : link
1.58/4.57 New leader
Fowler  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 9:33 am : link
Came in exactly what they had him listed at on UFs website. I'm praying him or Amari are there at 9.
Beasley's 2nd  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:39 am : link
4.53, 1.59 10 yd split
Ugh  
cokeduplt : 2/22/2015 9:40 am : link
beasly is an animal wish he was bigger
Holy shit  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 9:40 am : link
That's fast. Beasley has made himself some money this week. Almost 250 with 35 reps and 4.53 40. He might be a top 10 pick.
thats more like  
area junc : 2/22/2015 9:40 am : link
it for beasley. he's a blur

agreed w/others, buzz the malcom brown could climb way up a la fletcher cox. he is an outstanding fit in Spagnuolo's scheme that is for damn sure. inside penetrator
RE: Fowler  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 9:43 am : link
In comment 12147605 Big Rick in FL said:
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Came in exactly what they had him listed at on UFs website. I'm praying him or Amari are there at 9.


Fowler in the high 260's would have sold himself as an elite 4-3 end. He may still do that, but if Bud Dupree runs well (albeit with the LBs) he could eclipse him.
I'm hoping Beasley does LB drills as well  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 9:44 am : link
If he can backpedal he might be in play as a 4-3 LB Anthony Barr transitioned much better than most thought last year
Dunedin  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 9:44 am : link
It's not like he can't get too the high 260s. He played at 278 in college prior to this season.
RE: Randy Gregory  
Giants2012 : 2/22/2015 9:57 am : link
In comment 12147596 sjnyfan said:
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1.62 10 yd

4.64


6''4 and weighed in at only 235lbs???????
Gregory 1.60 and 4.57 2nd run..  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 10:00 am : link
Fowler's was a little worse than his first but I wonder if his false start made him a little skittish
I think  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 10:02 am : link
My top wants for the Giants are

Williams
Shelton
Fowler
Cooper
White

In no particular order.
...  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 10:04 am : link
Geoff Schwartz @geoffschwartz
This lime green the DL is wearing… Not the best look. #NFLCombine
I really think  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2015 10:05 am : link
the move here is to trade down.
RE: I really think  
chris r : 2/22/2015 10:07 am : link
In comment 12147657 Jon in NYC said:
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the move here is to trade down.


agreed.
Harold with a 4.53...  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 10:08 am : link
another guy who made himself some money today. He certainly could have tried to put on weight (260-265 might have been a more reasonable goal for him) but marketing himself as a 3-4 OLB or a hybrid type is a reasonable move with his speed and quickness.
RE: I really think  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12147657 Jon in NYC said:
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the move here is to trade down.


Problem is who is someone going to trade up to pick?
RE: I really think  
AcidTest : 2/22/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12147657 Jon in NYC said:
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the move here is to trade down.


I'd take Fowler or White or trade down. But you have to find a partner, which is going to be hard in this draft. The question is whether the Giants would trade down if White or Cooper are still available. Somebody might move up a little for one of them, but I think both will be gone.
RE: Dunedin  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 10:13 am : link
In comment 12147621 Big Rick in FL said:
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It's not like he can't get too the high 260s. He played at 278 in college prior to this season.


He certainly has a thick lower body, so you're probably right that in light of where he has played before teams are likely to think he can put on weight without losing much in the way of speed and quickness.
It really looks like the value for the Giants  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/22/2015 10:17 am : link
Is at WR or DL.
RE: It really looks like the value for the Giants  
chris r : 2/22/2015 10:19 am : link
In comment 12147679 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Is at WR or DL.


Which DL?
chris r  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 10:21 am : link
Fowler. He can definitely play DE in a 4-3. Also, I would hope that Shelton is in the conversation if he is available.
I have my doubts  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2015 10:23 am : link
that Fowler can be a long time 4-3 DE at 6'3 260. I have even stronger doubts that the Giants would want him. I don't think he has the length they look for at the position.

I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.
RE: chris r  
chris r : 2/22/2015 10:25 am : link
In comment 12147689 robbieballs2003 said:
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Fowler. He can definitely play DE in a 4-3. Also, I would hope that Shelton is in the conversation if he is available.


I'm not sure I want a conversion project at 9 - nevertheless I doubt he or Shelton will be there and there's no other DL worth taking IDT.
I don't  
Jon in NYC : 2/22/2015 10:26 am : link
think the Giants want to pair Shelton with Hankins.
RE: RE: chris r  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 10:27 am : link
In comment 12147692 chris r said:
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In comment 12147689 robbieballs2003 said:


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Fowler. He can definitely play DE in a 4-3. Also, I would hope that Shelton is in the conversation if he is available.



I'm not sure I want a conversion project at 9 - nevertheless I doubt he or Shelton will be there and there's no other DL worth taking IDT.


Who is the conversion project? And why do you think that?
Fowler  
chris r : 2/22/2015 10:27 am : link
played mostly LB at Florida as far as I know.
Thats not what i have seen  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 10:31 am : link
.
Fowler  
AcidTest : 2/22/2015 10:35 am : link
can get up to 270. Florida had him playing a lot of different roles. Excellent speed and relentless. Arms about 34". Think the Giants would take him, but he'll likely not get past Atlanta IMO.
So if the first 8 picks  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 10:41 am : link
Play out like this then who do you take? After the success of Zach Martin last year I think an Olineman goes before us. Atlanta had a really bad line last year.


Mariota
Winston
Leonard
White
Ray
Cooper
Shelton
Scherff
RE: So if the first 8 picks  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12147710 Big Rick in FL said:
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Play out like this then who do you take? After the success of Zach Martin last year I think an Olineman goes before us. Atlanta had a really bad line last year.


Mariota
Winston
Leonard
White
Ray
Cooper
Shelton
Scherff


Fowler or La'el Collins
RE: I have my doubts  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12147691 Jon in NYC said:
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that Fowler can be a long time 4-3 DE at 6'3 260. I have even stronger doubts that the Giants would want him. I don't think he has the length they look for at the position.

I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.


Among LB's and DB's Fowler's 33 3/4" arms are some of the longest of the top prospects, and the guys with longer arms (Gregory & Preston Smith) it's a 1/4" difference. Leonard Williams and Carl Davis are almost a full inch longer, but that's about it. Even Arik Armstead is 33" at 6'7". So he is long enough. And he's not a project, it's a position he has played.
For me either  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 10:48 am : link
Flowers or Collins and I'd put them at guard for their rookie season
RE: So if the first 8 picks  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 10:48 am : link
In comment 12147710 Big Rick in FL said:
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Play out like this then who do you take? After the success of Zach Martin last year I think an Olineman goes before us. Atlanta had a really bad line last year.


Mariota
Winston
Leonard
White
Ray
Cooper
Shelton
Scherff


Good question. I like Fowler. So, as of right now, I would take him. However I need to do some more research. Also, there could be trade interest if someone really like Parker. Cleveland and STL might make a play for him and I would entertain offers.
RE: I have my doubts  
blueblood : 2/22/2015 10:49 am : link
In comment 12147691 Jon in NYC said:
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that Fowler can be a long time 4-3 DE at 6'3 260. I have even stronger doubts that the Giants would want him. I don't think he has the length they look for at the position.

I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.


I dont agree on Fowler.. Osi was about the same size as DE.. and ran a 4.65 at his Pro Day.. and 33 and 3/4 arms are darn good.. and he is 260.. 4.61.. slightly bigger.. faster than Osi..

Dont know about the 10 yard split though..

But I can see Fowler @ a RDE definitely..
Fowler had a good 10 and 40  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 10:51 am : link
but I'd like to see the other timed stuff. He looked a bit stiff on drills which I've sen in games too. Very square up top. Great motor however.
RE: Fowler had a good 10 and 40  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 10:53 am : link
In comment 12147725 sjnyfan said:
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but I'd like to see the other timed stuff. He looked a bit stiff on drills which I've sen in games too. Very square up top. Great motor however.


Yeah, he looked stiff for a OLB in a 3-4 but fine for a DE in a 4-3. I get the projections to an OLB but I think his best position will be a DE in a 4-3. Although that may just be me being biased.
Fowler also hasn't been that productive rushing the passer  
chris r : 2/22/2015 10:54 am : link
14.5 career sacks.
RE: Fowler also hasn't been that productive rushing the passer  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 10:57 am : link
In comment 12147731 chris r said:
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14.5 career sacks.


Chris, he isn't perfect just like all of these prospects which is why I really like White and Cooper so much because they really don't have glaring weaknesses. They have questions but not necessarily anything crazy. Fowler wasn't that productive until this year. Why is that? Is that because he was a late bloomer? We don't have access to that kind of information.
RE: Fowler also hasn't been that productive rushing the passer  
blueblood : 2/22/2015 11:00 am : link
In comment 12147731 chris r said:
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14.5 career sacks.


The question you have to ask however is who many games did he play in his career.. Was he a full time starter? They played him inside, outside and at LB.. so he was moved around a lot.

Thats what the scouts will answer..
RE: RE: Randy Gregory  
jeff57 : 2/22/2015 11:00 am : link
In comment 12147644 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12147596 sjnyfan said:


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1.62 10 yd

4.64



6''4 and weighed in at only 235lbs???????


Yes and he supposedly added weight for the combine.
Fowler  
AcidTest : 2/22/2015 11:01 am : link
was double teamed a lot at Florida.
Fowler is the one pass rusher I would consider taking at 9  
jeff57 : 2/22/2015 11:03 am : link
The others are either not big enough or not good enough.
Fowler  
stretch234 : 2/22/2015 11:04 am : link
HE is not a conversion project. He played DE at Florida at 278lbs and played well. FL asked him to lose weight to play LB and he did.

He is the best 4-3 DE in the draft outside of L. Williams

Ray is not a DE, Gregory is not a DE, Dupree is not as good

I would take him easily at 9 - I do not think he will be there to pick
2nd group of DL 40s are starting soon  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:04 am : link
including Grady Jarrett, Orchard, Shelton and Williams.

Two small school guys to watch: Lyndon Trail from Norfolk St and Davis Tull from Tenn-Chattanooga. Trail is a Florida transfer that has already gotten buzz. Tull wasn't a big time recruit at all but all he's done is light up the FCS. 60 TFL's for his career. He won't be a DE in the NFL but I think he's going to have outstanding measureables today. I'm hoping he nails the drills too. Good kid from everything I read/hear. Late rd possibility
Wish Shane Ray was actually doing drills  
blueblood : 2/22/2015 11:07 am : link
I want to see the LB's. Want to see what Dupree does.. I think we need to see a few more of these guys that could break into the top ten... I want to see the Giants ASSURED of getting a top quality players..



I am concerned we could get Cedric Jones'd all over again..
RE: 2nd group of DL 40s are starting soon  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 11:09 am : link
In comment 12147749 sjnyfan said:
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including Grady Jarrett, Orchard, Shelton and Williams.

Two small school guys to watch: Lyndon Trail from Norfolk St and Davis Tull from Tenn-Chattanooga. Trail is a Florida transfer that has already gotten buzz. Tull wasn't a big time recruit at all but all he's done is light up the FCS. 60 TFL's for his career. He won't be a DE in the NFL but I think he's going to have outstanding measureables today. I'm hoping he nails the drills too. Good kid from everything I read/hear. Late rd possibility


I like Tull's teammate Derrick Lott
given where the talent is  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 2/22/2015 11:10 am : link
I kind of wonder whether the Giants have to think about going back to the 3-4 eventually. Obviously not this year, but the fast athletic guys seem to be in the 230-250 range not in the 260-280 range. I think the Giants are at a bit of a disadvantage in terms of the talent that is available.

RE: I have my doubts  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:12 am : link
In comment 12147691 Jon in NYC said:
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that Fowler can be a long time 4-3 DE at 6'3 260. I have even stronger doubts that the Giants would want him. I don't think he has the length they look for at the position.

I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.


I think you may be wrong since those are almost exactly Osi Umenyora's body type - and Fowler is faster and has a little more beef
Osi was close to 280 at the Combine...  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 11:15 am : link
he played much lighter later in his career, when he had his big boy strength and a developed repertoire of NFL moves. Same with Strahan.
Unlike last years draft  
Giants2012 : 2/22/2015 11:15 am : link
It's tough to really like any of these choices.
RE: Osi was close to 280 at the Combine...  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12147765 Dunedin81 said:
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he played much lighter later in his career, when he had his big boy strength and a developed repertoire of NFL moves. Same with Strahan.


Fowler played at 278 in college and dropped weight for the combine - no question he could put that weight right back on if needed
RE: Fowler  
Simms11 : 2/22/2015 11:17 am : link
In comment 12147703 AcidTest said:
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can get up to 270. Florida had him playing a lot of different roles. Excellent speed and relentless. Arms about 34". Think the Giants would take him, but he'll likely not get past Atlanta IMO.


Agree AcidTest. He'll definitely be one of the BPAs there when we pick and will have to be in the conversation. That said, is he a risk the Giants are willing to take or do you think he is a sure thing? This can't be a swing and miss pick. It has to be someone that can come in and contribute right away, and have an impact.
very curious on what Perryman is going to run  
chris r : 2/22/2015 11:18 am : link
he looks like he could be very good if he can get sideline to sideline in the pros.
RE: RE: Osi was close to 280 at the Combine...  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:19 am : link
In comment 12147773 gidiefor said:
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In comment 12147765 Dunedin81 said:


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he played much lighter later in his career, when he had his big boy strength and a developed repertoire of NFL moves. Same with Strahan.



Fowler played at 278 in college and dropped weight for the combine - no question he could put that weight right back on if needed


Also Fowler's body of work is not only much more accomplished than Osi's was - but his football smarts and versatility are also much more well established. This guy is a football player!
It's all moot though  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:20 am : link
I have no doubt that Fowler will be off the board at 9
RE: RE: Fowler also hasn't been that productive rushing the passer  
chris r : 2/22/2015 11:20 am : link
In comment 12147737 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 12147731 chris r said:


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14.5 career sacks.



Chris, he isn't perfect just like all of these prospects which is why I really like White and Cooper so much because they really don't have glaring weaknesses. They have questions but not necessarily anything crazy. Fowler wasn't that productive until this year. Why is that? Is that because he was a late bloomer? We don't have access to that kind of information.


Robbie, I guess I'm just not overwhelmed with the choices at 9. Fowler has upside, but from what I've seen he looks very raw as a pass rusher. And he's not that freaky like JPP where that can overcome the lack of a pass rush arsenal. Maybe I'm being too picky though.
Odighizuwa  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:23 am : link
1.63 10 yd

4.64
Oma  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 11:24 am : link
1.63/4.64
Nate Orchard  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:24 am : link
1.67 10 yd

4.84
you guys who are pissing and moaning about Fowler's pass rushing  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:27 am : link
ability/skills - have no idea what you are talking about - he's an animal of a pass rusher
RE: you guys who are pissing and moaning about Fowler's pass rushing  
chris r : 2/22/2015 11:29 am : link
In comment 12147788 gidiefor said:
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ability/skills - have no idea what you are talking about - he's an animal of a pass rusher


So why did he only have 14.5 sacks for his career including only 8.5 in his breakout year. In which games did he look like an animal to yo?
chris  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 11:29 am : link
It happens. Some drafts are better than others. The real value in this draft I think is in the second round. However, that doesn't mean we can't hit another homerun with our first pick. That is why we can reach for need. Everybody keeps pointing at the OL for us. We are all in agreement that we need at least one OL but that doesn't have to come at 9 overall. If it does I will support the pick. Imo, though, I just don't see the value. For all those supporting Flowers I absolutely see him jumping up the rankings. I don't think any of the OL separated themselves in terms of Scherff, Collins, Flowers but I do think Peat hurt himself a little. Cummings interests me but only at 40 if he is there. The Tyron Smith comparisons are eerily good. Smith was not a finished product. They have similar sizes but Smith showed more at the time of the draft. Give Cummings a year and I can see him as a similar player overall to the way Smith was as a rookie.
Jordan Phillips  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:29 am : link
1.84 10 yd

5.20
robbie  
chris r : 2/22/2015 11:32 am : link
that's why I think this is the draft for a trade down. Maybe someone covets one of the 3-4 edge rushers or WRs and they fall to us.
Danny Shelton  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:34 am : link
1.88 10 yd split

5.66 at 6021, 339 lbs

I hate the Ngata comparison
RE: Danny Shelton  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 11:35 am : link
In comment 12147796 sjnyfan said:
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1.88 10 yd split

5.66 at 6021, 339 lbs

I hate the Ngata comparison


Rich Eisen may run better
sack forced fumble of Patrick Towles  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:37 am : link
Ate up Anthony Jennings against LSU
Swallowed Jameis Winston
3 Sacks of hane Carden in one game

He was like a freight train
DFJ/White/Cooper would be my pick if available @9  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 11:37 am : link
If not I'd be looking to move down...still want to see the Thompson and McKinney workouts before eliminating them from consideration. The goal picking this high is to land a 'dynamic' talent. If one is available I wouldn't pass them up.
Ngata who was taller and stronger  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:38 am : link
ran a 5.13 at virtually the same weight. Shelton's numbers and (lack of) athleticism don't compare at all.
RE: robbie  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 11:38 am : link
In comment 12147794 chris r said:
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that's why I think this is the draft for a trade down. Maybe someone covets one of the 3-4 edge rushers or WRs and they fall to us.


If White or Cooper are available it would take a ton for me to trade out of it. Would you trade Beckham to move down about five spots and get an additional third? I wouldn't.

There is such a drop off imo that it just makes sense to take them. It will be interesting to see how these pass rushers come off the board. The top of the draft is gonna be dominated by the two QBs and pass rushers. This is also assuming there is no trading at the top of the draft.
Lyndon Trail  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:39 am : link
1.77 10 yd

4.96
I wouldn't move down  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:39 am : link
there's a lot of really good players in the top 10 - I want one of them
The production vs potential question  
Emil : 2/22/2015 11:40 am : link
I think we are looking at a good number of DE prospects that have the ability to be impact players at the next level, but haven't actually proved that in college. Much is made of Fowler's 14.5 sacks in his career. I'll admit, I have not been warm to the idea of taking Fowler, but I'm open to other points of view on this and would like to be wrong quite honestly.

Some things to keep in mind.

Fowler was a part time player (played LB) as a true freshman and managed 30 tackles (8 for a loss) and 2.5 sacks.

As a sophomore he became a starter at LB and had 50 tackles (10.5 for a loss) and 3.5 sacks.

As a senior he started at DL (played many other positions) had 60 tackles, 15 for a loss and 8.5 sacks.

Keep in mind the college season is significantly shorter than NFL, Fowler appeared to be more effective on the DL vs at LB, and the Florida program has been a dumpster fire for a number of years now.

Also, just for the sake of comparison. The great JJ Watt started for two years at Wisconsin before coming out as a junior. Managed a total of 106 tackles and 11.5 sacks. His career high of 7 came his final year.

What does this prove...nothing. All it says is production isn't everything and combine performance isn't everything. I suppose what scouts are looking for is the right combination of production, ability, and potential. If Fowler brings versatility, explosiveness, and a nasty streak (which they say he does) then he is a candidate a #9.

On another note, curious to see if Shane Ray drops.
Robbie  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2015 11:40 am : link
I agree if White or Cooper are there the Giants have to grab them. If they are both gone at 9 I would definitely look to trade down and grab an OL or DE.
RE: sack forced fumble of Patrick Towles  
chris r : 2/22/2015 11:41 am : link
In comment 12147799 gidiefor said:
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Ate up Anthony Jennings against LSU
Swallowed Jameis Winston
3 Sacks of hane Carden in one game

He was like a freight train


The sacks vs Jennings and Winston were both on blitzes where he was standing up in the MLB position.
I like Fowler a lot...  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 11:41 am : link
and he's a better pro prospect at this time than Osi was during the pre-draft process. My point was just that people are too quick to compare 21 and 22 year old kids and their size/speed combination to Osi in his 2nd and particularly his breakout 3rd year in the league, and even then he was heavier than he subsequently played.
Shelton is a 1  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 11:42 am : link
his strongest attribute...eating up blockers, is wasted in a 4-3
RE: The production vs potential question  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:42 am : link
In comment 12147806 Emil said:
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I think we are looking at a good number of DE prospects that have the ability to be impact players at the next level, but haven't actually proved that in college. Much is made of Fowler's 14.5 sacks in his career. I'll admit, I have not been warm to the idea of taking Fowler, but I'm open to other points of view on this and would like to be wrong quite honestly.

Some things to keep in mind.

Fowler was a part time player (played LB) as a true freshman and managed 30 tackles (8 for a loss) and 2.5 sacks.

As a sophomore he became a starter at LB and had 50 tackles (10.5 for a loss) and 3.5 sacks.

As a senior he started at DL (played many other positions) had 60 tackles, 15 for a loss and 8.5 sacks.

Keep in mind the college season is significantly shorter than NFL, Fowler appeared to be more effective on the DL vs at LB, and the Florida program has been a dumpster fire for a number of years now.

Also, just for the sake of comparison. The great JJ Watt started for two years at Wisconsin before coming out as a junior. Managed a total of 106 tackles and 11.5 sacks. His career high of 7 came his final year.

What does this prove...nothing. All it says is production isn't everything and combine performance isn't everything. I suppose what scouts are looking for is the right combination of production, ability, and potential. If Fowler brings versatility, explosiveness, and a nasty streak (which they say he does) then he is a candidate a #9.

On another note, curious to see if Shane Ray drops.


^^^ This!!!!
Leonard Williams  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:43 am : link
1.74 10 yd split

5.01
The lack of love for Parker is surprising to me.  
Chris L. : 2/22/2015 11:44 am : link
The number 9 pick HAS to be BPA not need. We can't make the Pugh mistake again. That was a total need pick and it has not worked out. Don't get me wrong, we need help on both lines and at No. 40 I can see an O-lineman or D-lineman. The No. 9 pick needs to be a pro bowler. Right now the WR's are the best value. Make strength a super strength. Nobody thought the cowboys needed an O-lineman last year. How did that work out? No one though we needed a linebacker in 1984 but Carl Banks at No. 3 worked out okay. Parker or White one on one with a team's No. 2 corner with no safety help (have to double ODB) would be a joke. Right now White or Parker seem a much more sure thing than any of the other options.
the pugh mistake lol  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 11:45 am : link
good rookie season...so so sophomore and he's a mistake to be avoided. Get a grip.
RE: RE: sack forced fumble of Patrick Towles  
gidiefor : Mod : 2/22/2015 11:46 am : link
In comment 12147809 chris r said:
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In comment 12147799 gidiefor said:


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Ate up Anthony Jennings against LSU
Swallowed Jameis Winston
3 Sacks of hane Carden in one game

He was like a freight train



The sacks vs Jennings and Winston were both on blitzes where he was standing up in the MLB position.


my bad - obviously he is unworthy of any team you are directing - so I'll take him and you can suck your thumb and trade down -- just root for another team that's all I ask for : )
UF didn't know what to do with Fowler  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 11:46 am : link
That's why his production isn't insane. He will be a better NFL player then college player. A lot of the draft analysts think that also.
did Parker bail on the agility testing cuz he tweaked something?  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 11:48 am : link
info? He didn't perform a 3-cone or shuttle run.
The UCLA DE  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 11:50 am : link
Is such an intriguing prospect. The hip surgeries definitely scare you but watching him run like a gazelle puts some of that to rest. I wonder what the medical reports on him say.
Torrag...  
Chris L. : 2/22/2015 11:50 am : link
Do you ever see Pugh going to a pro bowl? I don't. The guy drafted right after him also an o-lineman already went to one.
Chris  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2015 11:52 am : link
so you believe if a 1st round pick doesn't go to a pro bowl he is a bust?
RE: The UCLA DE  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 11:53 am : link
In comment 12147824 robbieballs2003 said:
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Is such an intriguing prospect. The hip surgeries definitely scare you but watching him run like a gazelle puts some of that to rest. I wonder what the medical reports on him say.


I really hope we pass on him because it took me seven years to learn to spell Umeniyiora.
Orchard's 2nd  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:54 am : link
4.87
Vic Beasley  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:55 am : link
41" Vertical

10'10" Broad
Pro Bowl means squat...NFL's version of a popularity contest  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 11:55 am : link
I want Pugh to be an effective player for us and do his job. I'm confident he can. One thing for sure you don't believe in patience or developing players.
RE: RE: The UCLA DE  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12147829 Dunedin81 said:
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In comment 12147824 robbieballs2003 said:


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Is such an intriguing prospect. The hip surgeries definitely scare you but watching him run like a gazelle puts some of that to rest. I wonder what the medical reports on him say.



I really hope we pass on him because it took me seven years to learn to spell Umeniyiora.


That is why I wrote the UCLA DE. I will stay with that until he gets a nickname.
RE: Vic Beasley  
Dunedin81 : 2/22/2015 11:56 am : link
In comment 12147833 sjnyfan said:
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41" Vertical

10'10" Broad


Crazy. I'm sure he'll rock the 3-cone and SS too.
RE: Pro Bowl means squat...NFL's version of a popularity contest  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2015 11:57 am : link
In comment 12147834 Torrag said:
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I want Pugh to be an effective player for us and do his job. I'm confident he can. One thing for sure you don't believe in patience or developing players.


Also Pugh plays RT which rarely get selected for the pro bowl. Fans always vote for the big name LT's even if they don't have a pro bowl caliber season. I don't give a damn if Pugh makes a pro bowl I just want him to play like he did during the 2nd half of his rookie year.
Danny Shelton 2nd  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 11:59 am : link
1.91 10

another 5.66
Beasley is going nuts  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 12:01 pm : link
very impressive workout...could Spags time in Baltimore open the door for the Giants to hybridize their defense and draft a guy like this?
RE: Chris  
chris r : 2/22/2015 12:01 pm : link
In comment 12147827 Jay on the Island said:
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so you believe if a 1st round pick doesn't go to a pro bowl he is a bust?


Did I say that?

I'd like to see a top 10 pick go to a pro bowl, yes. I think we should all hope for that. A top 10 pick is supposed to be a 95% percentile talent by definition. If you are better than 95% of your peers you should be a pro bowler.

RE: RE: Chris  
chris r : 2/22/2015 12:02 pm : link
In comment 12147842 chris r said:
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In comment 12147827 Jay on the Island said:


Quote:


so you believe if a 1st round pick doesn't go to a pro bowl he is a bust?



Did I say that?

I'd like to see a top 10 pick go to a pro bowl, yes. I think we should all hope for that. A top 10 pick is supposed to be a 95% percentile talent by definition. If you are better than 95% of your peers you should be a pro bowler.


My bad, just saw that was to Chris L re: Pugh.
Vic Beasley  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 12:03 pm : link
Might have put himself in the top 10 today. Told me prior to the Clemson bowl game that he really wants to play for the Falcons. Said it was his favorite team growing up. Has seen they've had a lack of pass rush for a few years. Really thinks he could help.

He was cool as hell so I'm hoping he goes where he wants. Also would drop another player to the Giants.
Jay  
Chris L. : 2/22/2015 12:04 pm : link
my point was Pugh was a reach at that pick. If you recall he wasn't even projected to go in the first round. When San Diego took Fluker with the 12th pick the top four OL were all gone. The problem was our O-line was a total mess at the time and we picked for need. You don't do that in the first round. The report on Pugh was he was undersized and with short arms. Not athletic enough to be a left tackle, to small to be an effective right tackle and not big enough to be an effective in side player. So far (and I hope it changes but I don't expect it to) the report has been dead on. He looks like a second round talent who definately can help but you need difference makers when you pick No. 18.
RE: The lack of love for Parker is surprising to me.  
SGMen : 2/22/2015 12:05 pm : link
In comment 12147815 Chris L. said:
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The number 9 pick HAS to be BPA not need. We can't make the Pugh mistake again. That was a total need pick and it has not worked out. Don't get me wrong, we need help on both lines and at No. 40 I can see an O-lineman or D-lineman. The No. 9 pick needs to be a pro bowler. Right now the WR's are the best value. Make strength a super strength. Nobody thought the cowboys needed an O-lineman last year. How did that work out? No one though we needed a linebacker in 1984 but Carl Banks at No. 3 worked out okay. Parker or White one on one with a team's No. 2 corner with no safety help (have to double ODB) would be a joke. Right now White or Parker seem a much more sure thing than any of the other options.
Pugh was rock solid the last five games of the season. He clearly was adjusting to new scheme and an injury. Pugh will be a solid RT this year and could play LT in a pinch though he would need TE help against better DE's for sure. He is NOT a bust pick or bad pick. So many first round picks do squat. He's started like 30 of 32 games or something.
RE: Jay  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2015 12:09 pm : link
In comment 12147850 Chris L. said:
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my point was Pugh was a reach at that pick. If you recall he wasn't even projected to go in the first round. When San Diego took Fluker with the 12th pick the top four OL were all gone. The problem was our O-line was a total mess at the time and we picked for need. You don't do that in the first round. The report on Pugh was he was undersized and with short arms. Not athletic enough to be a left tackle, to small to be an effective right tackle and not big enough to be an effective in side player. So far (and I hope it changes but I don't expect it to) the report has been dead on. He looks like a second round talent who definately can help but you need difference makers when you pick No. 18.


I don't ever remember reading a single report questioning Pugh's athleticism. That was never a question for Pugh in regards to him being able to play LT. His reach and size were the concerns for Pugh at LT.
Pugh was the 19th pick  
Torrag : 2/22/2015 12:11 pm : link
fyi
Not that this is likely  
Bake54 : 2/22/2015 12:15 pm : link
but if Shelton, Cooper and White are all available, who do you pick?
RE: Not that this is likely  
Jay on the Island : 2/22/2015 12:17 pm : link
In comment 12147863 Bake54 said:
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but if Shelton, Cooper and White are all available, who do you pick?


That's tough but in order I would go with Cooper, Shelton, then White.
Cooper  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 12:17 pm : link
Without a doubt. Best WR in the draft IMO.
Cooper  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 12:17 pm : link
I'd have to see who else is on the board with White. I don't want Shelton at all
Preston Smith looking really athletic.  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 12:27 pm : link
I saw his strength on tape, but the athleticism makes him really attractive.
How has Malcolm Brown  
Rflairr : 2/22/2015 12:28 pm : link
been today? I'm a big fan of his
Nice numbers for Odi  
jeff57 : 2/22/2015 12:28 pm : link
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Small issue for NYG here  
Sy'56 : 2/22/2015 12:32 pm : link
is ther eare very few true 4-3 DEs in this class. Do they tweak what they usually look for and take one of these undersized guys? Or do they reach for a Preston Smith type?
RE: How has Malcolm Brown  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 12:32 pm : link
In comment 12147881 Rflairr said:
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been today? I'm a big fan of his


He did fine. 1.75/5.05 and athletic looking. He's a favorite of mine too in a trade down. Fits our scheme a lot better than Shelton.
Here's the Walter Football link to times, lifts, etc.  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 12:34 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
RE: Torrag...  
Giants2012 : 2/22/2015 12:35 pm : link
In comment 12147825 Chris L. said:
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Do you ever see Pugh going to a pro bowl? I don't. The guy drafted right after him also an o-lineman already went to one.


It is interesting how Long has made it to the Pro-Bowl while all the hyped linemen in the top 10 haven't made much of an impact.

RE: Small issue for NYG here  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 12:37 pm : link
In comment 12147887 Sy'56 said:
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is ther eare very few true 4-3 DEs in this class. Do they tweak what they usually look for and take one of these undersized guys? Or do they reach for a Preston Smith type?


The thing with a guy like Smith is he could play LDE and hold up against the run effectively, then move in at DT on passing downs. I like that versatility. Round 2 target? Maybe too high at 40, though. He's unlikely to fall to 74, I think.
RE: RE: Torrag...  
K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 2/22/2015 12:38 pm : link
In comment 12147892 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12147825 Chris L. said:


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Do you ever see Pugh going to a pro bowl? I don't. The guy drafted right after him also an o-lineman already went to one.



It is interesting how Long has made it to the Pro-Bowl while all the hyped linemen in the top 10 haven't made much of an impact.


Name recognition. In politics and Pro Bowls, it works.
RE: RE: How has Malcolm Brown  
Rflairr : 2/22/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12147888 yatqb said:
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In comment 12147881 Rflairr said:


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been today? I'm a big fan of his



He did fine. 1.75/5.05 and athletic looking. He's a favorite of mine too in a trade down. Fits our scheme a lot better than Shelton.


Thats how I feel as well. I think he would be great beside Hankins.
Correct yat  
Sy'56 : 2/22/2015 12:40 pm : link
I have Smith at a grade of 75 right now. Which is in the ballpark of a late 2nd/early 3rd rounder. My issue is...because there is a lack of supply of true 4-3 DEs, someone is going to grab him earlier than NYG 3rd rounder. Hope that doesn't mean they reach for him in round 2.
Malcolm didnt run under 5  
Jerry's Kids : 2/22/2015 12:40 pm : link
I don't think. More of run stuffer but, who knows.
Beasley was very impressive  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 2/22/2015 12:40 pm : link
imo
With so many perceived questions about this draft class  
Giants2012 : 2/22/2015 12:41 pm : link
what does that say about how overrated Shawn Oakman is?

IMO, the Tarzan frame who played like Jane going back to school speaks volumes considering the elite talent in this draft appear to be lacking.

RE: Malcolm didnt run under 5  
Rflairr : 2/22/2015 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12147902 Jerry's Kids said:
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I don't think. More of run stuffer but, who knows.


No Malcolm is a heck of pass rusher for a DT
RE: Malcolm didnt run under 5  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 12:47 pm : link
In comment 12147902 Jerry's Kids said:
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I don't think. More of run stuffer but, who knows.


Nope, he's a penetrating 3. He gets into the backfield a lot.
Odi with a 39 vertical  
jeff57 : 2/22/2015 12:51 pm : link
Second only to Beasley. Would be perfect for the Giants. Too bad he probably won't last to 40.
And Odi with a 10-7 broad jump  
jeff57 : 2/22/2015 12:53 pm : link
Third best.
Wow, had Preston Smith do LB drills! And he looked good!  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 12:55 pm : link
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RE: And Odi with a 10-7 broad jump  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 12:57 pm : link
In comment 12147921 jeff57 said:
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Third best.


Odi seems a prototypical Giant pick. But he's likely to go late 1st, I'd guess.
The Pugh mistake?  
Reale01 : 2/22/2015 12:57 pm : link
Wow! Who should have been the pick in retrospect?
RE: The Pugh mistake?  
chris r : 2/22/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12147925 Reale01 said:
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Wow! Who should have been the pick in retrospect?


See for yourself here.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: The Pugh mistake?  
Klaatu : 2/22/2015 1:21 pm : link
In comment 12147925 Reale01 said:
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Wow! Who should have been the pick in retrospect?


Tyler Eifert.

Yeah...I still can't let it go.
Henry Anderson is another DE/Nascar DT who intrigues me.  
yatqb : 2/22/2015 1:23 pm : link
1.63 10 yard at 294 pounds, and shows that quickness off the snap on the field.
crazy how underrated  
area junc : 2/22/2015 1:24 pm : link
beasley's been on the amateur draft sites around the net. he's arguably the best player after leonard williams in the entire draft. elite pass rusher

i dont think theres a prayer he's on the board at 9 but if he is, we have to take him
I think its because he was considered too small  
chris r : 2/22/2015 1:24 pm : link
now that he's bulked up 10 lbs and shown he's still super athletic his stock should rocket.
Dupree  
jayg5 : 2/22/2015 1:27 pm : link
42 inch vertical, also best standing broad jump
Hope he still isn't in convo at 9 even after impressive numbers
mabye so  
area junc : 2/22/2015 1:27 pm : link
but his movement abilities are alien-like. and he's been a sick pass rusher from the jump. not a 1-hit wonder. proven sack master against big competition
I did look  
Reale01 : 2/22/2015 1:31 pm : link
I understand what you are saying as I initially thought the same thing. However, in retrospect I think the Giants did well.


Kyle Long
Tyler Eifert
Desmond Trufant
Sharrif Floyd
Bjoern Werner
Xavier Rhodes
Datone Jones
DeAndre Hopkins
Sylvester Williams
Cordarrelle Patterson
Alec Ogletree
Travis Frederick
Matt Elam

At the time I remember talk of Werner or Jones or Shariff glad we got Pugh. Then Hankins in round 2. Also Chicago tool Long with the next pick so I don't think ALL the OLs were gone. Certainly NOT a mistake.
LB 40s about to start  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:33 pm : link
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Dupree  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:36 pm : link
11'6" broad jump
Great time for Anthony  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 1:38 pm : link
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Stephone Anthony  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:38 pm : link
4.57
BTW LB18  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:42 pm : link
was supposed to be AJ Johnson but he was uninvited. I don't ever remember that happening. Aggravated rape charge earlier this month. He was a fringe draft pick without red flags but he may not even be signed as a UDFA now. Certainly off of the Giants board.
Dawson  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:42 pm : link
4.95 but looked like he pulled up
Bud Dupree  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:43 pm : link
1.60 10 yd split

4.57
bud Dupree  
cokeduplt : 2/22/2015 1:45 pm : link
seems very likely to me at 9
RE: Stephone Anthony  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 1:45 pm : link
In comment 12147972 sjnyfan said:
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4.57


I thought I saw him at 4.59
Could be my mistake  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:52 pm : link
Mike
Eric Kendricks  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:53 pm : link
1.64 10 yd split

4.66
Nope 4.57  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 1:54 pm : link
For Dupree. Also had a 42 inch vertical & 11'6 broad jump at 269 pounds. That's insane.
Benardrick McKinney  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:55 pm : link
1.74 10 yd

4.78
Perryman  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 1:56 pm : link
1.69 split

4.81
Mayock  
Mike in NY : 2/22/2015 1:58 pm : link
Just stop
Good time for Kendricks  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 2:03 pm : link
Not bad for McKinney. Slower than I thought though.

Sy any opinions on Bud Dupree? He's going to be talked about a lot to the Giants I'm sure. Good size, decent arm length and hands. Very explosive. Anybody know his bench?
Shaq Thompson  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 2:03 pm : link
1.78 10 yd split

4.72
Shaq  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 2:04 pm : link
With a terrible time.
Big Rick  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 2:05 pm : link
I don't think Dupree lifted this week. He's also not going to do anymore today. Might be related to a groin injury he had at the end of the season
Ahh ok  
Big Rick in FL : 2/22/2015 2:06 pm : link
Yeah I didn't see it anywhere. Figured he probably didn't.

Sj any opinions on him at 9?
RE: Shaq  
jeff57 : 2/22/2015 2:08 pm : link
In comment 12147997 Big Rick in FL said:
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With a terrible time.


Looks like he got off to a bad start.
I think Dupree is cementing himself as an OLB in a 3-4  
robbieballs2003 : 2/22/2015 2:08 pm : link
Watching film on him he gets pushed around too easily when he has his hand down in the dirt unless he just flew by the OL. With his explosive numbers I think he is a perfect OLB in a 3-4.
Right now I think Dupree is more of an athlete  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 2:16 pm : link
than football player. He's going to need some coaching up. There's some inconsistency in his game, he doesn't always diagnose plays well which makes him a step late and gets him taken out of the play. I hear comparisons to NE's Jamie Collins because of the athleticism but even Collins was a late 2nd rounder who needed coaching up by one of the best defensive minds ever in Belichick and it's still a work in progress, though you can see the light come on last year. Loads of potential but 9 is too high. I wouldn't mind 40 and hopefully you can put polish to his game. I see him as a situation sub package rush guy early in his career.
If Beasley were our pick  
chopperhatch : 2/22/2015 2:16 pm : link
Where woukd he play? Will Im assuming? Anybody know about him in coverage?
Never saw Dawson  
sjnyfan : 2/22/2015 2:17 pm : link
as a guy running a 4.95 or 4.96
Soo many good rushers  
CromartiesKid21 : 2/22/2015 2:25 pm : link
in the 3-4 that will be available around when Giants pick. Its a shame we will miss out on top end talent because of the 4-3 scheme.
Dawson is going to be a steal for someone  
chris r : 2/22/2015 2:34 pm : link
no way is he that slow.
RE: RE: Stephone Anthony  
Coach Mason : 2/22/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12147977 Mike in NY said:
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4.57



I thought I saw him at 4.59


Stephone is going to be a great cover LB. One of the few LBs I'd like to see the Giants target.
RE: If Beasley were our pick  
jeff57 : 2/22/2015 3:40 pm : link
In comment 12148009 chopperhatch said:s
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Where woukd he play? Will Im assuming? Anybody know about him in coverage?


He's played the line. Don't see him as a 4-3 OLB. He's either a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB.
I still really like Danny Shelton  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 2/22/2015 6:07 pm : link
he's just such a tank. But his 10yd split is scary slow and he tends to play high. Slow off the snap + poor leverage = awful awful combination. I still think he's such a powerful guy who can eat so much space that he's still a Top 10 player in this draft and best DLineman after Williams.

But as far as the Giants are concerned, there are better fits at DT who could be had in a slight trade down. And they're not THAT much worse than Shelton.
Funny Crack from Seahawks Combine Blog  
Percy : 2/22/2015 6:25 pm : link
"Mayock says of this linebacker group: 'They all have hands like feet.'”
RE: If Beasley were our pick  
area junc : 2/22/2015 6:36 pm : link
In comment 12148009 chopperhatch said:
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Where woukd he play? Will Im assuming? Anybody know about him in coverage?



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he's been describing himself as a Von Miller or Bruce Irvin to teams when they ask him. miller plays 43 SLB and DEnd in the subpackages and is a perennial DPOY candidate when hes healthy. imo beasley is faster than miller and miller is more physical

if we took him, i assume spags would play him at SLB dusting off the 50 fronts from 07. and then osi's job in the subs
Kansas Mike LB  
Carl in CT : 2/22/2015 6:58 pm : link
Ben Heeney faster 3 cone then ODB. Sick!!!
I feel better having Spags on the staff, because I think he  
CT Charlie : 2/22/2015 7:59 pm : link
has a better idea of what he wants for his scheme than Perry did.
RE: RE: If Beasley were our pick  
Stupendamatic : 2/22/2015 10:39 pm : link
In comment 12148192 area junc said:
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Where woukd he play? Will Im assuming? Anybody know about him in coverage?




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he's been describing himself as a Von Miller or Bruce Irvin to teams when they ask him. miller plays 43 SLB and DEnd in the subpackages and is a perennial DPOY candidate when hes healthy. imo beasley is faster than miller and miller is more physical

if we took him, i assume spags would play him at SLB dusting off the 50 fronts from 07. and then osi's job in the subs


The position Kiwi started to look good in before going on IR that year.

I could get behind a SAM  
chopperhatch : 2/22/2015 11:03 pm : link
Who can convert to a pass rusher on 3rd or obvious passing downs.
Philosophical question  
Torrag : 2/23/2015 11:26 am : link
Does the Giants aborted signing signing of O'Brien Schofield due to medicals preface a new willingness to delve into the hybrid pass rushers market? If so we may all be surprised by the #9 pick...
He's listed as a DE by the Seahawks  
JonC : 2/23/2015 11:36 am : link
6'3 260, and I don't recall seeing him in space too often. I don't recall if they use him more as a fifth DL or not, so is he really a hybrid.

I don't see 260# there  
Torrag : 2/23/2015 11:46 am : link
and his Combine medicals had him at 6'2 221# coming out which tend to be much more accurate than team bios. He's essentially a rotational pass rush specialist for them. He certainly doesn't fit the Giants typical DE physical template.
He's ~250 now  
JonC : 2/23/2015 11:57 am : link
Definitely not their usual DE fit, but I hope Spags has a much better idea of how to utilize such a player than his predecessor. Otherwise, it's more or less another disconnect between Reese's branch and the coaches.
the Ravens play a hybrid scheme mixing 4-3 & 3-4 elements  
Torrag : 2/23/2015 12:05 pm : link
Spags experience there could infuse that philosophy here. Baltimore's defense has had more success in recent years than we've enjoyed. The point is a guy like Schofield fits that style and JR was dipping into that market even before Spags returned.

The collegiate game simply isn't churning out enough top 4-3 DE prospects to fill the need. If the Schofield interest is a pre-cursor to a shifting defensive paradigm we could get a surprise defensive #9 selection.
having said that Torrag  
idiotsavant : 2/23/2015 1:33 pm : link
you cannot run that hybrid without The Beef, which may be harder to find than The End, so...9 may lend itself to beefyness.

I still go back to that adding a NT type and a big 3/4 end (one that can sub inside as well as out), which together make the variety of lines you can field much greater such as:

a 3 look with a zero player (not suggested if small ended)

a 5 'look' with a zero player

the 4 skinny on long D+D - but not -that- skinny (the edwards/anderson types plus hank inside)
RE: Torrag  
JonC : 2/23/2015 1:37 pm : link
Yeah, I posted in another thread today the same sentiment regarding the edge rusher options at #9 possibly being tempting for them to push the envelope.

It's a shite year to have a top 10 pick, unfortunately.
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