Just like Day 1 of the combine, there are alot of players looking to gain separation on their draft status. It will also be followed very closely as it can very well be in play with the 9th pick.
Unfortunately,
Shane Ray won't be participating due to injury. However his teammate,
Markus Golden can help himself with a strong showing. Another pair of SEC teammates will be looking for a strong day as well. Kentucky's
Alvin 'Bud' Dupree (who actually will be performing with the LBs) I think will light it up today, although I'm not sold on him as the 9th pick. His teammate
Za'Darius Smith had a very good Shrine Week and can capitalize with a good day. Speaking of strong All Star weeks,
Carl Davis from Iowa was one of the best players at the Senior Bowl regardless of position. However some choice words at interviews raise questions about work ethic. Depending on his interviews this week as well as his workout today can go a long way to solidifying a first rd grade. There are several names in play including
Danny Shelton with his massive size,
Dante Fowler who arguably has the top motor and
Randy Fregory, who has a high ceiling but a low floor. But overall this is a talented bunch performing today. New names will emerge. There are many candidates but two that I'll be looking for are LSU's
Danielle Hunter and Clemson's
Grady Jarret. I think they're both a bit under the radar who could have very good days today.
At LB, my top two are
Eric Kendricks and Clemson's
Stephone Anthony. I think they will have good days. This year's Chris Borland will be
Denzel Perryman. He's short,squatty, bulky and I don't think he'll time well but so what? He's a football player. I'm not a fan of
Benardrick McKinney at ILB, especially at 9 but he's a bit of a freakish athlete too. Depending on how he performs though I'd wonder if some teams start considering him at OLB which I think he'd be a better player at the pro level.
Paul Dawson of TCU will time well but REALLY needed to nail his interviews if he wants a chance to be a high pick. Red Flags.
Shaq Thompson will only be performing as a LB so he'll need to nail it. Two underrated players that I'd like to see in blue that are underrated are
Ben Heeney and
Martrell Spaight.
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At LB McKinney could have an Urlacher type day. If he pulls it off he'll vault up draft boards.
Vic Beasley surprised me with his weight and reps on the bench. I wonder how the extra weight will affect his timed drills.
Big Rick, he was late to meetings several times. He's missed weight room sessions. There's word he doesn't put in the film room work. He was suspended for Adderall. One of his own coaches said anonymously he's more of a role player than All American and Patterson has called him a knucklehead.
I agree Jon. I see Dion Jordan
His teammate had a better 10 at 282
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The 1.75 10 I look at more because DT rarely run 40 yards straight
4.77 but the 1.59 10 yd split is a very good time. Most Rbs and Wrs didn't time that well yesterday. Sleeper.
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in Randy Gregory. I saw him get manhandled all day when they played Wisconsin.
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u gotta b careful w/this stuff.....everybody gets handled. every dog has their day. could have been lots of reasons for it but u cant make snap judgements
I agree Jon. I see Dion Jordan
u gotta b careful w/this stuff.....everybody gets handled. every dog has their day. could have been lots of reasons for it but u cant make snap judgements
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He is making himself some money this weekend. Came in a little light but measured long, great 40. Interested to see what Dupree and Harold do.
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agreed w/others, buzz the malcom brown could climb way up a la fletcher cox. he is an outstanding fit in Spagnuolo's scheme that is for damn sure. inside penetrator
Fowler in the high 260's would have sold himself as an elite 4-3 end. He may still do that, but if Bud Dupree runs well (albeit with the LBs) he could eclipse him.
4.64
6''4 and weighed in at only 235lbs???????
Williams
Shelton
Fowler
Cooper
White
In no particular order.
This lime green the DL is wearing… Not the best look. #NFLCombine
agreed.
Problem is who is someone going to trade up to pick?
I'd take Fowler or White or trade down. But you have to find a partner, which is going to be hard in this draft. The question is whether the Giants would trade down if White or Cooper are still available. Somebody might move up a little for one of them, but I think both will be gone.
He certainly has a thick lower body, so you're probably right that in light of where he has played before teams are likely to think he can put on weight without losing much in the way of speed and quickness.
Which DL?
I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.
I'm not sure I want a conversion project at 9 - nevertheless I doubt he or Shelton will be there and there's no other DL worth taking IDT.
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Fowler. He can definitely play DE in a 4-3. Also, I would hope that Shelton is in the conversation if he is available.
I'm not sure I want a conversion project at 9 - nevertheless I doubt he or Shelton will be there and there's no other DL worth taking IDT.
Who is the conversion project? And why do you think that?
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Winston
Leonard
White
Ray
Cooper
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Scherff
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Winston
Leonard
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Cooper
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Fowler or La'el Collins
I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.
Among LB's and DB's Fowler's 33 3/4" arms are some of the longest of the top prospects, and the guys with longer arms (Gregory & Preston Smith) it's a 1/4" difference. Leonard Williams and Carl Davis are almost a full inch longer, but that's about it. Even Arik Armstead is 33" at 6'7". So he is long enough. And he's not a project, it's a position he has played.
Mariota
Winston
Leonard
White
Ray
Cooper
Shelton
Scherff
Good question. I like Fowler. So, as of right now, I would take him. However I need to do some more research. Also, there could be trade interest if someone really like Parker. Cleveland and STL might make a play for him and I would entertain offers.
I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.
I dont agree on Fowler.. Osi was about the same size as DE.. and ran a 4.65 at his Pro Day.. and 33 and 3/4 arms are darn good.. and he is 260.. 4.61.. slightly bigger.. faster than Osi..
Dont know about the 10 yard split though..
But I can see Fowler @ a RDE definitely..
Yeah, he looked stiff for a OLB in a 3-4 but fine for a DE in a 4-3. I get the projections to an OLB but I think his best position will be a DE in a 4-3. Although that may just be me being biased.
Chris, he isn't perfect just like all of these prospects which is why I really like White and Cooper so much because they really don't have glaring weaknesses. They have questions but not necessarily anything crazy. Fowler wasn't that productive until this year. Why is that? Is that because he was a late bloomer? We don't have access to that kind of information.
The question you have to ask however is who many games did he play in his career.. Was he a full time starter? They played him inside, outside and at LB.. so he was moved around a lot.
Thats what the scouts will answer..
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6''4 and weighed in at only 235lbs???????
Yes and he supposedly added weight for the combine.
He is the best 4-3 DE in the draft outside of L. Williams
Ray is not a DE, Gregory is not a DE, Dupree is not as good
I would take him easily at 9 - I do not think he will be there to pick
Two small school guys to watch: Lyndon Trail from Norfolk St and Davis Tull from Tenn-Chattanooga. Trail is a Florida transfer that has already gotten buzz. Tull wasn't a big time recruit at all but all he's done is light up the FCS. 60 TFL's for his career. He won't be a DE in the NFL but I think he's going to have outstanding measureables today. I'm hoping he nails the drills too. Good kid from everything I read/hear. Late rd possibility
I am concerned we could get Cedric Jones'd all over again..
Two small school guys to watch: Lyndon Trail from Norfolk St and Davis Tull from Tenn-Chattanooga. Trail is a Florida transfer that has already gotten buzz. Tull wasn't a big time recruit at all but all he's done is light up the FCS. 60 TFL's for his career. He won't be a DE in the NFL but I think he's going to have outstanding measureables today. I'm hoping he nails the drills too. Good kid from everything I read/hear. Late rd possibility
I like Tull's teammate Derrick Lott
I think the value is either at WR (bleh) or OL.
I think you may be wrong since those are almost exactly Osi Umenyora's body type - and Fowler is faster and has a little more beef
Fowler played at 278 in college and dropped weight for the combine - no question he could put that weight right back on if needed
Agree AcidTest. He'll definitely be one of the BPAs there when we pick and will have to be in the conversation. That said, is he a risk the Giants are willing to take or do you think he is a sure thing? This can't be a swing and miss pick. It has to be someone that can come in and contribute right away, and have an impact.
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he played much lighter later in his career, when he had his big boy strength and a developed repertoire of NFL moves. Same with Strahan.
Fowler played at 278 in college and dropped weight for the combine - no question he could put that weight right back on if needed
Also Fowler's body of work is not only much more accomplished than Osi's was - but his football smarts and versatility are also much more well established. This guy is a football player!
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14.5 career sacks.
Chris, he isn't perfect just like all of these prospects which is why I really like White and Cooper so much because they really don't have glaring weaknesses. They have questions but not necessarily anything crazy. Fowler wasn't that productive until this year. Why is that? Is that because he was a late bloomer? We don't have access to that kind of information.
Robbie, I guess I'm just not overwhelmed with the choices at 9. Fowler has upside, but from what I've seen he looks very raw as a pass rusher. And he's not that freaky like JPP where that can overcome the lack of a pass rush arsenal. Maybe I'm being too picky though.
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4.84
So why did he only have 14.5 sacks for his career including only 8.5 in his breakout year. In which games did he look like an animal to yo?
5.20
5.66 at 6021, 339 lbs
I hate the Ngata comparison
5.66 at 6021, 339 lbs
I hate the Ngata comparison
Rich Eisen may run better
Swallowed Jameis Winston
3 Sacks of hane Carden in one game
He was like a freight train
If White or Cooper are available it would take a ton for me to trade out of it. Would you trade Beckham to move down about five spots and get an additional third? I wouldn't.
There is such a drop off imo that it just makes sense to take them. It will be interesting to see how these pass rushers come off the board. The top of the draft is gonna be dominated by the two QBs and pass rushers. This is also assuming there is no trading at the top of the draft.
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Some things to keep in mind.
Fowler was a part time player (played LB) as a true freshman and managed 30 tackles (8 for a loss) and 2.5 sacks.
As a sophomore he became a starter at LB and had 50 tackles (10.5 for a loss) and 3.5 sacks.
As a senior he started at DL (played many other positions) had 60 tackles, 15 for a loss and 8.5 sacks.
Keep in mind the college season is significantly shorter than NFL, Fowler appeared to be more effective on the DL vs at LB, and the Florida program has been a dumpster fire for a number of years now.
Also, just for the sake of comparison. The great JJ Watt started for two years at Wisconsin before coming out as a junior. Managed a total of 106 tackles and 11.5 sacks. His career high of 7 came his final year.
What does this prove...nothing. All it says is production isn't everything and combine performance isn't everything. I suppose what scouts are looking for is the right combination of production, ability, and potential. If Fowler brings versatility, explosiveness, and a nasty streak (which they say he does) then he is a candidate a #9.
On another note, curious to see if Shane Ray drops.
Swallowed Jameis Winston
3 Sacks of hane Carden in one game
He was like a freight train
The sacks vs Jennings and Winston were both on blitzes where he was standing up in the MLB position.
Some things to keep in mind.
Fowler was a part time player (played LB) as a true freshman and managed 30 tackles (8 for a loss) and 2.5 sacks.
As a sophomore he became a starter at LB and had 50 tackles (10.5 for a loss) and 3.5 sacks.
As a senior he started at DL (played many other positions) had 60 tackles, 15 for a loss and 8.5 sacks.
Keep in mind the college season is significantly shorter than NFL, Fowler appeared to be more effective on the DL vs at LB, and the Florida program has been a dumpster fire for a number of years now.
Also, just for the sake of comparison. The great JJ Watt started for two years at Wisconsin before coming out as a junior. Managed a total of 106 tackles and 11.5 sacks. His career high of 7 came his final year.
What does this prove...nothing. All it says is production isn't everything and combine performance isn't everything. I suppose what scouts are looking for is the right combination of production, ability, and potential. If Fowler brings versatility, explosiveness, and a nasty streak (which they say he does) then he is a candidate a #9.
On another note, curious to see if Shane Ray drops.
^^^ This!!!!
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Ate up Anthony Jennings against LSU
Swallowed Jameis Winston
3 Sacks of hane Carden in one game
He was like a freight train
The sacks vs Jennings and Winston were both on blitzes where he was standing up in the MLB position.
my bad - obviously he is unworthy of any team you are directing - so I'll take him and you can suck your thumb and trade down -- just root for another team that's all I ask for : )
I really hope we pass on him because it took me seven years to learn to spell Umeniyiora.
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Is such an intriguing prospect. The hip surgeries definitely scare you but watching him run like a gazelle puts some of that to rest. I wonder what the medical reports on him say.
I really hope we pass on him because it took me seven years to learn to spell Umeniyiora.
That is why I wrote the UCLA DE. I will stay with that until he gets a nickname.
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Crazy. I'm sure he'll rock the 3-cone and SS too.
Also Pugh plays RT which rarely get selected for the pro bowl. Fans always vote for the big name LT's even if they don't have a pro bowl caliber season. I don't give a damn if Pugh makes a pro bowl I just want him to play like he did during the 2nd half of his rookie year.
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Did I say that?
I'd like to see a top 10 pick go to a pro bowl, yes. I think we should all hope for that. A top 10 pick is supposed to be a 95% percentile talent by definition. If you are better than 95% of your peers you should be a pro bowler.
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so you believe if a 1st round pick doesn't go to a pro bowl he is a bust?
Did I say that?
I'd like to see a top 10 pick go to a pro bowl, yes. I think we should all hope for that. A top 10 pick is supposed to be a 95% percentile talent by definition. If you are better than 95% of your peers you should be a pro bowler.
My bad, just saw that was to Chris L re: Pugh.
He was cool as hell so I'm hoping he goes where he wants. Also would drop another player to the Giants.
I don't ever remember reading a single report questioning Pugh's athleticism. That was never a question for Pugh in regards to him being able to play LT. His reach and size were the concerns for Pugh at LT.
That's tough but in order I would go with Cooper, Shelton, then White.
He did fine. 1.75/5.05 and athletic looking. He's a favorite of mine too in a trade down. Fits our scheme a lot better than Shelton.
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It is interesting how Long has made it to the Pro-Bowl while all the hyped linemen in the top 10 haven't made much of an impact.
The thing with a guy like Smith is he could play LDE and hold up against the run effectively, then move in at DT on passing downs. I like that versatility. Round 2 target? Maybe too high at 40, though. He's unlikely to fall to 74, I think.
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Do you ever see Pugh going to a pro bowl? I don't. The guy drafted right after him also an o-lineman already went to one.
It is interesting how Long has made it to the Pro-Bowl while all the hyped linemen in the top 10 haven't made much of an impact.
Name recognition. In politics and Pro Bowls, it works.
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been today? I'm a big fan of his
He did fine. 1.75/5.05 and athletic looking. He's a favorite of mine too in a trade down. Fits our scheme a lot better than Shelton.
Thats how I feel as well. I think he would be great beside Hankins.
IMO, the Tarzan frame who played like Jane going back to school speaks volumes considering the elite talent in this draft appear to be lacking.
No Malcolm is a heck of pass rusher for a DT
Nope, he's a penetrating 3. He gets into the backfield a lot.
Odi seems a prototypical Giant pick. But he's likely to go late 1st, I'd guess.
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Tyler Eifert.
Yeah...I still can't let it go.
i dont think theres a prayer he's on the board at 9 but if he is, we have to take him
Hope he still isn't in convo at 9 even after impressive numbers
Kyle Long
Tyler Eifert
Desmond Trufant
Sharrif Floyd
Bjoern Werner
Xavier Rhodes
Datone Jones
DeAndre Hopkins
Sylvester Williams
Cordarrelle Patterson
Alec Ogletree
Travis Frederick
Matt Elam
At the time I remember talk of Werner or Jones or Shariff glad we got Pugh. Then Hankins in round 2. Also Chicago tool Long with the next pick so I don't think ALL the OLs were gone. Certainly NOT a mistake.
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I thought I saw him at 4.59
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Sy any opinions on Bud Dupree? He's going to be talked about a lot to the Giants I'm sure. Good size, decent arm length and hands. Very explosive. Anybody know his bench?
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Sj any opinions on him at 9?
Looks like he got off to a bad start.
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I thought I saw him at 4.59
Stephone is going to be a great cover LB. One of the few LBs I'd like to see the Giants target.
He's played the line. Don't see him as a 4-3 OLB. He's either a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB.
But as far as the Giants are concerned, there are better fits at DT who could be had in a slight trade down. And they're not THAT much worse than Shelton.
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he's been describing himself as a Von Miller or Bruce Irvin to teams when they ask him. miller plays 43 SLB and DEnd in the subpackages and is a perennial DPOY candidate when hes healthy. imo beasley is faster than miller and miller is more physical
if we took him, i assume spags would play him at SLB dusting off the 50 fronts from 07. and then osi's job in the subs
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Where woukd he play? Will Im assuming? Anybody know about him in coverage?
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he's been describing himself as a Von Miller or Bruce Irvin to teams when they ask him. miller plays 43 SLB and DEnd in the subpackages and is a perennial DPOY candidate when hes healthy. imo beasley is faster than miller and miller is more physical
if we took him, i assume spags would play him at SLB dusting off the 50 fronts from 07. and then osi's job in the subs
The position Kiwi started to look good in before going on IR that year.
The collegiate game simply isn't churning out enough top 4-3 DE prospects to fill the need. If the Schofield interest is a pre-cursor to a shifting defensive paradigm we could get a surprise defensive #9 selection.
I still go back to that adding a NT type and a big 3/4 end (one that can sub inside as well as out), which together make the variety of lines you can field much greater such as:
a 3 look with a zero player (not suggested if small ended)
a 5 'look' with a zero player
the 4 skinny on long D+D - but not -that- skinny (the edwards/anderson types plus hank inside)
It's a shite year to have a top 10 pick, unfortunately.