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2015 NFL COMBINE DAY 4 THREAD DB

sjnyfan : 2/23/2015 7:11 am
Last day of the combine. DB may not be the most pressing need but it's a factor. Considering the amount of injuries we had in the secondary, our top 3 safeties are free agents and Prince in the final year of his rookie deal it has to be looked at.

Safties isn't deep but I think you can get a few starters from it. However, I think Shaq Thompson is the best safety in this class. That should say something. Landon Collins is the consensus #1 but I disagree. If he's been anything like the other Crimson Tide players these past few days he won't put in a full workout anyway. Ibraheim Campbell will get more buzz after today. I love the way he attacks. Quinten Rollins would make a good safety if he doesn't time well enough for corner. Other big corners that I think will have to make the transition are Utah's Eric Rowe and USC's Josh Shaw. There are intriguing small school prospects in Samford's Jaquiski Tartt, James Madison's Dean Marlowe and Eastern Washington's Tevin McDonald.

At corner I think Trae Waynes will have a good day and is a better prospect than Dennard last year. TCU's Kevin White, not to be confused with the WVU WR has done nothing but help himself since the end of the season. Senquez Golson is another favorite and could be the best slot corner in the draft with Oregon State's Steven Nelson right behind him. Alot of people are talking about LSU's Jalen Collins as the next big corner but at the moment I like Miami's Ladarius Gunter more. I hope he does a full workout and times well. Staying in Florida, the Seminoles have two corners looking to impress in Ronald Darby and PJ Williams. There are several other DB's that deserve mention and there's always a surprise or two from this group but here's to hoping for some separation today. The google spreadsheet is attached but if someone could do 40s that would be great. Coverage again starts at 9.
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BY 8 GOD DANG INCHES!  
GiantFilthy : 2/23/2015 12:32 pm : link
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DanMetroMan : 11:03 am : link : reply
broad jump would have set a new olympic record. WOW.
Or that 8 inches might have been comparing past combines.  
GiantFilthy : 2/23/2015 12:34 pm : link
I don't know. Still, either way, longest in recorded history.
Funny: Wikipedia entry for standing long jump already mentions Jones  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/23/2015 12:48 pm : link
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The record is now held by Norwegian Arne Tvervaag from Ringerike FIK Sportclub, who jumped 3.71 metres in Noresund on 11 November 1968.[1] NFL prospect and former University of Connecticut cornerback Byron Jones recorded a jump of 3.73 m (12 ft 23⁄4 in) at the NFL Combine on 23 February 2015.[2]

Standing Long Jump was dropped as an Olympic event around the start of World War I, so the Olympic record has some dust on it.
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Wouldn't get overly concerned about 40 times with DBs  
Sy'56 : 2/23/2015 1:01 pm : link
Their speed isn't important unless they get beat and need to recover. A 4.6 CB can be a GREAT cover man.
yeah why would defensive backs need speed  
Torrag : 2/23/2015 1:05 pm : link
lol
RE: yeah why would defensive backs need speed  
Sy'56 : 2/23/2015 1:06 pm : link
In comment 12149256 Torrag said:
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lol


Give me a guy that plays with good technique/instincts/awareness/aggression over speed all day
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sphinx : 2/23/2015 1:09 pm : link
‏@art_stapleton
ESPN's Todd McShay on conference call just said Landon Collins is the only safety he has going in the first 2 rounds.

RE: Wouldn't get overly concerned about 40 times with DBs  
chris r : 2/23/2015 1:11 pm : link
In comment 12149249 Sy'56 said:
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Their speed isn't important unless they get beat and need to recover. A 4.6 CB can be a GREAT cover man.


All positions can get by with technique over speed, right?
The best DB's have both technique and speed  
Torrag : 2/23/2015 1:12 pm : link
also most rookies need NFL coaching and development to fulfill their potential. Few draftees enter the league as a finished product. Speed is a critical component at that position imo.
RE: The best DB's have both technique and speed  
chris r : 2/23/2015 1:15 pm : link
In comment 12149271 Torrag said:
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also most rookies need NFL coaching and development to fulfill their potential. Few draftees enter the league as a finished product. Speed is a critical component at that position imo.


Sherman ran a 4.54. Haden a 4.6. Revis a 4.38, but that was a long time ago. Nnamdi ran a 4.45.

So that's about a 4.5 average for four of the best corners in recent years.
RE: The best DB's have both technique and speed  
Sy'56 : 2/23/2015 1:22 pm : link
In comment 12149271 Torrag said:
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also most rookies need NFL coaching and development to fulfill their potential. Few draftees enter the league as a finished product. Speed is a critical component at that position imo.


Speed is needed, yes. But I don't think these guys need to run a sub 4.55 all the time.
Off the top of my head  
Sy'56 : 2/23/2015 1:27 pm : link
CBs that have had a ton of success without "good" 40 times

Richard Sherman
Joe Haden
Brandon Flowers
Brandon Browner
chris r.: You're cherry-picking a bit.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/23/2015 1:28 pm : link
Haden's 40 at the Combine was a surprise, and turned out to be a slight outlier: he ran in the mid-high 4.4s at the Florida Pro Day. Also, omitting Patrick Peterson, who ran in the 4.3s, seems arbitrary.

It's clear that straight-ahead speed is far from the most important asset for a corner. (If it were the be-all-end-all, sprinters would fill NFL rosters.) Mostly, I think it's a way to separate DBs who grade similarly on tape, and maybe to identify guys with untapped potential.
There are examples of CB's succeeding with 'slower' 40 times...  
Torrag : 2/23/2015 1:29 pm : link
but they aren't the norm. Haden, Sherman and Flowers come to mind.
RE: Wouldn't get overly concerned about 40 times with DBs  
Coach Mason : 2/23/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12149249 Sy'56 said:
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Their speed isn't important unless they get beat and need to recover. A 4.6 CB can be a GREAT cover man.


While there are a few CBs that can still be very good at 4.6, I'd say it's more the exception than the rule.

And if my guy timed 4.55+, I'd need to see some great tape and a great 3-cone to consider him in the top 2. 3 cone is also a big number here as it reflects C.O.D.
Justin Coleman seems to have finished strong this afternoon.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/23/2015 4:14 pm : link
Great three-cone, excellent shuttles. Most profiles rate his ceiling as a slot corner and special teams contributor. Maybe the strong Combine gets him a little extra attention on Draft day.

Byron Jones had some day. If the NFL doesn't work out, he can join the circus.
Anyone have a feel for whether Eric Rowe is really a corner or safety?  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/23/2015 5:10 pm : link
He put up terrific numbers today for such a big man. Seems odd that he moved from FS to CB as a senior. Did the team need him there, or were they trying to showcase his cover skills for pro scouts?
Meanwhile, Landon Collins was dead last in the three-cone.  
Big Blue Blogger : 2/23/2015 5:15 pm : link
Probably not a big deal, but ironic considering that it's one of the drills NYG supposedly watch most closely. After a pretty good 40, Collins didn't fare very well today. Wonder if that was expected. FWIW, Clinton-Dix put up much better numbers last year, though nothing spectacular.
not really that man fast times this year  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 2/23/2015 5:47 pm : link
pretty pedestrian year. Wayns the best
RE: chris r.: You're cherry-picking a bit.  
chris r : 2/23/2015 7:17 pm : link
In comment 12149308 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Haden's 40 at the Combine was a surprise, and turned out to be a slight outlier: he ran in the mid-high 4.4s at the Florida Pro Day. Also, omitting Patrick Peterson, who ran in the 4.3s, seems arbitrary.

It's clear that straight-ahead speed is far from the most important asset for a corner. (If it were the be-all-end-all, sprinters would fill NFL rosters.) Mostly, I think it's a way to separate DBs who grade similarly on tape, and maybe to identify guys with untapped potential.


Pro day times are notoriously inflated (or deflated) and Patrick Peterson is incredibly overrated IMO. I think Haden is much better than him.
You can teach  
compton : 2/23/2015 10:12 pm : link
technique. You can't teach speed. Given the choice between a slow DB with good technique and a fast DB with average technique, I will choose the latter.
Jones  
Percy : 2/24/2015 9:47 am : link
Very attractive. Kind of want to see what he does when fully healed. Have to wait for his Pro day.
guys talking about 40 times like they exist in a vacuum  
blueblood : 2/24/2015 9:58 am : link
Richard Sherman is like 6'3 and close to 200 lbs.. 4.56 os a good time for someone that size..
Is having 2 Safeties on its way out like the fullback  
xman : 2/24/2015 10:23 am : link
or 3 down LB? Maybe having more CB's on the field is the wave of the future in this pass happy O world
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