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NFT: Pre-Employment Polygraph Test

GruningsOnTheHill : 2/23/2015 6:30 pm
Hi--

I am a finalist for a huge job opportunity, and while I have a clean drug/alcohol/criminal/dmv history, the whole idea of the polygraph makes me nervous. Example...I have two company logo coffee mugs from the break room at a place I worked for 12 years. Nice mementos of my time there. It didn't occur to me to ask anyone and I'm sure nobody would have objected had I requested 3 or 4 of them to take home, but the fact is that I did take them without permission. Had I been asked spur-of-the-moment if I've ever stolen from an employer, naturally my answer would have been "no." Now that I have had time to psyche myself out, these coffee mugs in the back of my cupboard have passed through my brain. While it seems a silly & insignificant item, am I now to answer that YES; I have stolen from an employer...? If so, there's really not much point in me even showing up. It's my understanding that I will only be able to answer "yes" of "no" with no opportunity to qualify my response.

Can someone who has been through this process or understands it kindly shine some light on this? I honestly have nothing to hide, yet I fear shooting myself in the foot as with the example above. Thanks...

you're  
MookGiants : 2/23/2015 6:34 pm : link
trying too hard.
It's not a lie if you believe it...  
arcarsenal : 2/23/2015 6:35 pm : link
Be prepare to fail since you're already stressing  
RC02XX : 2/23/2015 6:36 pm : link
So much...
They  
NYGTBlair : 2/23/2015 6:36 pm : link
Are going to ask you if you lied on your application. Question you about drug use - past and present.
That's a trick question.  
Crispino : 2/23/2015 6:40 pm : link
They know every single person has taken home a post it pad, or a pen, or something insignificant. Just be truthful. I don't think a "yes " to that draws anything worse than a later request to explain.
Um  
CromartiesKid21 : 2/23/2015 6:44 pm : link
Polygraph tests are essentially voodoo  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 2/23/2015 6:45 pm : link
There's no good scientific evidence that they can detect lying to any real degree of confidence.

Their biggest utility is as a psychological tool. People who believe that they work are more likely to confess their wrongdoings and misdeeds.
Put tin foil in your  
Headhunter : 2/23/2015 6:47 pm : link
shoes, sure way to beat it
They'll conduct a pre-polygraph interview if they are any good.  
yatqb : 2/23/2015 7:00 pm : link
In that setting you can explain about the coffee mugs, and then they'll ask on the polygraph something along the lines of, "Aside from what you have already told me, have you stolen anything from a place of employment"?

I wouldn't be too afraid about coffee mugs.
Thanks  
GruningsOnTheHill : 2/23/2015 7:08 pm : link
to everyone, and especially yatqb: that's exactly the info I was hoping to find. I will be fine if there's a pre-test interview.
My  
AcidTest : 2/23/2015 7:08 pm : link
father was a military prosecutor and then a judge. He thought polygraphs were too unreliable to be admissible.

What's sad is that companies are resorting to these tactics. I've even heard of "personality" tests for $10 an hour customer service jobs. Fail, and you don't even get an interview. It shows that the job market is still very tight.
I was recently  
sphinx : 2/23/2015 7:11 pm : link
in the very early stages of a pre-employment polygraph. Before the straps were put on, I told of an event that occurred many years ago. I was asked my age at the time. I answered. A few minutes later I was asked what year it was. I answered. The guys says ... "so you weren't 19, you were 21. A little confused, I agreed. After the straps were put on and the machine was normalizing I realized the age I gave was correct and I allowed this guy to get me to agree something that wasn't true. That and another item or two raised a red flag for me. I told the guy to remove the straps, I wasn't going to do it. I got up and left.

The average person  
ctc in ftmyers : 2/23/2015 7:17 pm : link
steals ~$500 a year from their employer. That's from 30 years ago.

Couple minutes late to work here, leave early there,couple of copies here, bbi all day, doing the crossword in the shitter, figuring your fantasy league here, those long lunches with your secretary, etc.

I always, as mentioned above, alway stated in the pre test interview, at least ~ $500 a year.

The question when doing the test is "other than what you mentioned"
Just be honest  
jcn56 : 2/23/2015 7:55 pm : link
they're looking for behavior out of the norm. When I took one years ago, they asked very obvious, basic questions - 'have you ever lied to an authority figure' or 'have you ever taken something that didn't belong to you'. They follow through with questions, but chances are it's innocuous stuff that nobody will mind.

Now, if you follow up 'did you take anything that didn't belong to you' with 'stinger missile', then you might have a problem on your hands.
RE: Thanks  
yatqb : 2/23/2015 10:09 pm : link
In comment 12149860 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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to everyone, and especially yatqb: that's exactly the info I was hoping to find. I will be fine if there's a pre-test interview.


Typically that's how it's done. Glad to help. And if it doesn't start that way you can always volunteer it at the beginning anyway. Don't sweat it; they're looking for serious problems.
Is this a serious post  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 2/24/2015 6:15 am : link
...?
if you are uncomfortable with the poly, then  
Gross Blau Oberst : 2/24/2015 7:31 am : link
you will probably be uncomfortable in the job once hired. the poly is only the beginning of restrictive rules, procedures and overall work environment. Look elsewhere if the poly makes you uncomfortable.
These things have taken on a life of their own  
WideRight : 2/24/2015 8:12 am : link
Job applicants frequently have to take "psychometric employment test" to qualify for an interview. I know of places where 50% of applicants selected for an interview will get screened out by the test. This undoubtly includes some good prospective employees. I don't get it.

Now they are using them to assess employees who are transferring to new positions within a company. I don't know what they are doing with that data.

I could easily see a legal challenge to these tests on discriminatory grounds. I welcome it.
First of all  
mrvax : 2/24/2015 8:30 am : link
almost all takers of this test are quite nervous. Second, mention the coffee cup thing to the tester just prior to starting the test and explain your concern.

Just relax as best you can. It's not that bad and it's over quickly.

Bonus question: "Do you have any ulterior motives for gaining employment with this company".
Lighten up Francis  
Victor in CT : 2/24/2015 8:40 am : link
.........
Thanks  
GruningsOnTheHill : 2/24/2015 9:32 am : link
OP here. I had absolutely zero idea what to expect, so I came here to ask. I am not "uncomfortable" with the test; just unsure what to answer should a situation arise like the coffee mugs example I posted above. Now that I know there will be a pre- and/or post-testing opportunity to detail my answers to questions such as, "Yes, I have stolen from my employer (company coffee mugs)," I am all set.

This is a great website, and I continue to appreciate the informed commentary that's not usually found on internet message boards.
As you walk in to the polygraph  
pjcas18 : 2/24/2015 9:35 am : link
room, give a quick look for any law enforcement officers.

I've heard of people unwittingly admitting stealing office supplies and leaving the test in cuffs.

You can plead the 5th and I suggest you do for those difficult to answer questions.
FWIW - The DOL ...  
sphinx : 2/24/2015 9:55 am : link
Employee Polygraph Protection Act (EPPA)
Overview
The EPPA prohibits most private employers from using lie detector tests, either for pre-employment screening or during the course of employment. Employers generally may not require or request any employee or job applicant to take a lie detector test, or discharge, discipline, or discriminate against an employee or job applicant for refusing to take a test or for exercising other rights under the Act. Employers may not use or inquire about the results of a lie detector test or discharge or discriminate against an employee or job applicant on the basis of the results of a test, or for filing a complaint, or for participating in a proceeding under the Act. Subject to restrictions, the Act permits polygraph (a type of lie detector) tests to be administered to certain job applicants of security service firms (armored car, alarm, and guard) and of pharmaceutical manufacturers, distributors and dispensers.

Subject to restrictions, the Act also permits polygraph testing of certain employees of private firms who are reasonably suspected of involvement in a workplace incident (theft, embezzlement, etc.) that resulted in specific economic loss or injury to the employer. Where polygraph examinations are allowed, they are subject to strict standards for the conduct of the test, including the pretest, testing and post-testing phases. An examiner must be licensed and bonded or have professional liability coverage. The Act strictly limits the disclosure of information obtained during a polygraph test.


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If  
GruningsOnTheHill : 2/24/2015 10:04 am : link
it's between a) telling the truth about this, or b) pleading the 5th and throw all possibility of being hired out the window to avoid the possibility that I will be arrested and dragged away in handcuffs for admitting to having taken two promo company coffee mugs from the break room of a company I spent 12 successful years working for, I think I will take my chances and admit to it.
RE: If  
Mike in Long Beach : 2/24/2015 11:47 am : link
In comment 12150348 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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it's between a) telling the truth about this, or b) pleading the 5th and throw all possibility of being hired out the window to avoid the possibility that I will be arrested and dragged away in handcuffs for admitting to having taken two promo company coffee mugs from the break room of a company I spent 12 successful years working for, I think I will take my chances and admit to it.


lol umm... this is not a court ordered polygraph. You won't be arrested.
I can't believe  
MookGiants : 2/24/2015 11:54 am : link
people on this thread are actually taking this character seriously.
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