How often do the Giants actually pick the guy you want

recently. before that maybe Ron Dayne.

was hoping for and thrilled with Eli but that wasn't really a pick.

That one was most frustrating once Dayne was on the field.

a guy I want them to pick.

But I sometimes have guys I don't want them to pick.

The only three that stand out are Aaron Ross. I did not want them to pick Ross.

And Ron Dayne. I wanted Shaun Alexander.

third one, Big Ben/Eli. I did not want to trade up for Eli, I wanted to pick Ben or trade down and pick Ben.

I would make a pretty terrible GM, so 90% of the time I wait and give them the benefit of the doubt.

Trade for Eli.

2004 year 10. I would say Eli is exceptable as a choice for the first round. Unfortunately I did not want him.

But Prince falling to us, and OBJ pick gave been better than I had hoped.

but I was still staring at the TV hoping someone would take Phillips ahead of our pick. sounds even crazier in hindsight.

Thank goodness ..because I have wanted some REALLY bad players. Yatil Green, Aaron Gibson, Rolando McClain...

I was of the same mind with regards to Eli. There was supposedly an offer that included an extra 2nd round choice to move down 2 spots and than take Big Ben. i wish they had done that and taken the QB to trade to San Diego at the least. San Diego would have probably just demanded the extra pick though.

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that the Giants picked. Either the player I wanted wasnt available of the Giants picked someone else. This is why I dont get worked up anymore.

Nicks might be the only one.

Butch Woolfolk,

Most of the time (since George Young came on board) I've been pleasantly surprised by how well the pick turned out (think Petitgout and Shawn Williams) after throwing the remote.

In comment 12150230 wgenesis123 said:

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I was of the same mind with regards to Eli. There was supposedly an offer that included an extra 2nd round choice to move down 2 spots and than take Big Ben. i wish they had done that and taken the QB to trade to San Diego at the least. San Diego would have probably just demanded the extra pick though.

I find it hard to argue with how it worked out. I mean Ben's been to three SB's so maybe it's a wash, but I have no complaints in hindsight.

But I felt at the time once SD drafted Eli, the Giants should have been in the drivers seat and acquired Eli on better terms. But like I said, hard to argue with how it turned out.

Missed the 10 year thing so remove Shaun Alexander/Dayne - it's probably the only time I was sure a player (Alexander) at a position the Giants drafted (Dayne) would be better than the guy the Giants drafted.

Ross and Eli are the only two for me and Ross was really just his age, and he worked out ok too.

So, like I said, I'd be a terrible GM.

I will always be a little gratefull to the Saints for that.

I see who the Giants pick. Figure out why and then I try to like it.

Instead of acting incredulously about any player/pick who hasn't proven themself yet.

Simply too hard to predict how things will unfold, there's always a handful of surprises even when you're totally expecting the unexpected. Two of the best examples are Prince and Kiwi. Not a damn soul on this board saw either of those things happening.

The one exception for me was Brandon Jacobs. I can't claim to have known him from his short time at Auburn and I'm not exactly a Southern Illinois fanatic. I just remember looking at a list of RBs on one of the draft sites and thinking there had to be a typo for this Jacobs kid to be listed as a 6'4", 254 lb HB. Typed the name into YouTube and fell in love. And I did talk about him here pre-draft. Then that Sunday morning came. Still the good, traditional draft weekend at this point. I was watching from my bed when the Giants selecting was up and Jacobs name ran across the bottom of the screen. I'm instantly jumping up and down on the bed like an over-sugared toddler.

It's the one and only instance of the team drafting a prospect I really, really wanted.

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In comment 12150250 Randy in CT said:

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I see who the Giants pick. Figure out why and then I try to like it. Instead of acting incredulously about any player/pick who hasn't proven themself yet.

One of but a million differences you discover along the journey from 20 to 30...well, for me anyway

was the only one I can remember.

Oh you are very right that I could not see Prince coming. But when the Giants were on the clock I was praying pick Prince.

Initial thoughts after each pick. Generally have liked our picks especially the more recent picks. Did not like Kiwi and Wilson on draft day, but liked a lot shortly after once I knew more about them.

2000 Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin
Very Happy - but like Alexander better trusted NYG to make right choice.
2001 Will Allen DB Syracuse
Did not like at all
2002 Jeremy Shockey TE Miami
Very happy
2003 William Joseph DT Miami
Did not like at all
2004 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina
Did not like, but liked after trade for Eli
2006 Mathias Kiwi DE Boston College
Did not like, but liked better after learning more
2007 Aaron Ross DB Texas
Did not like at all. Too old
2008 Kenny Phillips DB Miami (Florida)
Very happy
2009 Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina
Very happy
2010 J Pierre-Paul DE South Florida
Very happy
2011 P Amukamara DB Nebraska
Very happy
2012 David Wilson RB Virginia Tech
Did not like, but liked a lot once OTAs started
2013 Justin Pugh OL Syracuse
Did not like, thought we reached at time, but I like now
2014 Odell Beckham, WR Louisiana State
Very happy

Usually it is because the players I want are gone before we pick. Probably one of the most popular picks ever was Ron Dayne (me included), and we all know how that worked out. The Giants are very good about hiding their interest in players. Until the last days before the draft, no one was even mentioning Beckham for us.

When we drafted Wilson at 32

of course LT wasn't in my 10 years. Eli was certainly on the radar to but I wanted Big Ben.

In comment 12150260 wgenesis123 said:

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Oh you are very right that I could not see Prince coming. But when the Giants were on the clock I was praying pick Prince.

I got ya genesis, didn't mean for it to sound like I was calling BS on wanting Prince, I know you meant once he slid and the Giants were on the clock. Prince is about the one time that I felt confident I knew what name was getting called when the Giants were on the clock.

And draft Big Ben or take Sean Taylor.

Nicks and last year I wanted Beckham or Ebron. At first I only wanted Ebron. As the draft got closer I started leaning towards Beckham.

Normally I only have 1 or 2 players that I want. This year is so wide open I'd be happy with a ton of guys. Fowler Jr, Ray, Gregory, Beasley, Shelton, White, Cooper & Parker. Possibly even Benardrick McKinney just because I want a stud LB so bad.

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made it. Don't remember who he wanted though.

Yup those are the two players I wanted. With Sean Taylor leading the way. Fortunately I was wrong in that and the Giants made a great selection in Eli. Unfortunately Sean Taylor passed away :( Sean Taylor was always so nice to me. Met him probably 10 times from his freshman year in college and about 2 weeks before he passed away we had breakfast with him & his cousins.

but seriously, I am more concerned with the position they choose more than the individual player because I figure they know the ins and outs of the individuals much better than me. Although I feel more informed than ever thanks to Sy56.

In comment 12150278 Greg from LI said:

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I still shudder when I read that name. I remember a year, maybe two, after he was drafted an article came out about teams taking players despite highly visible, screaming loud red flags. An anonymous source talked about a team who selected a kid who told teams at the combine, point blank, that he wasn't passionate about football and would really rather work in a zoo. Maybe near where he went to school. In Florida. I was always suspicious, and a post-career article where Jospeh talked about his love of animals confirmed it, at least for me.

They've hit some home runs over the years, but I'll never forget the half blind DE or the would-be zoo keeper...

2001 Todd Heap over Will Allen
2003 Larry Johnson over William Joseph
2006 DeMeco Ryans over Kiwi (Came to like Kiwi)
2007 Beason over Ross
2012 Cordy Glenn over Wilson (Came to like Wilson)
2013 Sharrif Floyd over Pugh (Like Pugh now)

Under those circumstances I would have wanted Sean Taylor too. The only guy I really knew in a draft was Tony Siragusa who went undrafted and signed with the Colts. I really wanted the Giants to put a Big Blue uniform on him.

It's pretty much downhill from there:
John Hicks.
Mark Ingram.
Derek Brown.
I would add Kenny Phillips, but that was more a case of "He's our guy; hope it works out."

...and I didn't think that Revis or Leon Hall would drop to them. I wanted Revis or Hall over Ross if possible, of course.

I didn't think Revis would drop as far as he did though, and during the draft I hoped the Giant would trade up.

To be fair, everyone in the universe knew we were going for Shockey. Accorsi wasn't much good at keeping those things secret.

In comment 12150267 jayg5 said:

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When we drafted Wilson at 32

Me too. Glenn was also apparently the highest rated player on their board, but Reese wanted the playmaker.

Wanted Lewan last year and apparently be was on the Giants want list had OBJ not been there.

Wanted Jessie Armstead way back in the 2nd round yet he lasted until round 8 I believe lol. Of course, I always wanted Miami players such as Ray Lewis, Michael Irvin, etc. Wanted no part of William Joseph as Wilfork made the Miami DLine. Kinda surprised McDougal was such a bust.

Still not happy Gaines was passed on last year. He was great for the Rams.

So I guess "not that often" is my answer.

"Collins is fine. Just needs a better line. All of these QBs are overhyped. Roethlisburger played against garbage, something about Rivers bothers me, and there's really a small chance that Eli ends up anywhere near his brother or father for that matter. What would the odds be for Eli to be an elite QB? "

11 years and 4 SBs between Ben and Eli, only thing I was even remotely close on was Rivers' douchebaggery.

In comment 12150302 AcidTest said:

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In comment 12150267 jayg5 said: Quote: When we drafted Wilson at 32 Me too. Glenn was also apparently the highest rated player on their board, but Reese wanted the playmaker.

me three

Loved Sean Taylor. I still enjoy watching his highlights on youtube. Seeing a guy that big, run that fast and dominate was/is still very enjoyable. It's a shame his life ended far too early.

In comment 12150258 j_rud said:

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In comment 12150250 Randy in CT said: Quote: I see who the Giants pick. Figure out why and then I try to like it. Instead of acting incredulously about any player/pick who hasn't proven themself yet. One of but a million differences you discover along the journey from 20 to 30...well, for me anyway

(I barely remember that age range!)

But why bother barking at the moon so early? See what happens with the picks of your favorite team. You can still question it--but "throw the remote" upset? Relax.

Mario M. I can't remember anyone else.

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Wanted Lewan last year and apparently be was on the Giants want list had OBJ not been there.

Lewan was taken at 11. He wasnt available when the Giants took OBJ..

it's only been Hakeem Nicks in rd 1. In total it's been Nicks and Steve Smith. I can't say JPP because I was hoping for Earl Thomas. But Seattle got him before we did.

I normally don't have a favorite so it's easy for me to jump onboard with who the Giants select.

Last year was an exception when I hoped we get Aaron Donald. I saw him as a real play maker who might need a year like most DTs. Loved Beckham once I looked at some tape though. Great pick.

This year I see Fowler/White and possibly Parker as a pick for the Gmen. I'd be happy with Fowler or White.

I usually have a good grip on what position they will select in round 1. Regardless of what the Giants say, it's not usually pure BPA. It's BPA at a position of need in round 1, like when Wilson and Pugh were taken.

Beckham
Prince
Nicks
Phillips
Wanter Webster or Tuck with our 2nd rounder. Ecstatic to get both.
Manning

nice word j_rud!

50% is impressive from my vantage point. The so called draft guru's should seek your council.

Drafted the exact guy I wanted in Wheatley, we all know how that turned out, my delusions of the dynamic backfield was just that. Since I can be honest with myself, it is obvious that the draft is far from a science and is between science and art. The drafting process in the NFL has improved, but it is still between science and art.

W. Richburg
J. Hankins
D. Moore
K. Phillips
M. Manningham
A. Ross, although I hoped they'd move up for Revis
Eli

So now that I think about it, they rarely pick who I want them too. Bahumbug. Looking back on some of those drafts though Ugghhhh, down right yuk. I will say they hit in 2005 big time after what they gave up for Eli.

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I know even one tenth what the Giants know about evaluating professional football players.

I enjoy the actual pick, welcome him to the team and pray he becomes a stud in Blue.

Richburg and Hillard come to mind.

Leading up to the Prince selection on here was like a countdown as each pick happen and his name wasn't announce. I think everybody was hoping he would keep falling :)

Derek Brown(wish I hadn't and the Giants hadn't), Brad Maynard(thought we took him a round too soon), Shaun Williams, Shockey(hated tennessee bluffing a pick out of us), Will Beatty(thought we'd take him earlier, glad we didn't), Reuben Randle(again thought we'd take him earlier, glad we didn't), loved Hankins(thought he could have been our 1st rounder)...

strangely I can't recall if I wanted Kenny Phillips or not but the BBI debate on him raged for weeks. I didn't hate the idea but many thought he'd bust out.

that they actually drafted:

Jeremy Shockey
Justin Tuck
Steve Smith, and...

...um...

Ramses Barden.

Phillips, and Nicks.
And they all had injury shortened careers.

Beckham Jr. as the guy I fell in love with 1 1/2 months before the draft.

Pierre Paul when Reese went to South Florida game in Jersey, people thought they were scouting Selvie.. but I was lucky enough to see Pierre Paul the game prior. And wanted him from then on.

and Justin Tuck. I wanted him in the second round the year they got him in the third. Started a thread about him his sophomore year.

Hated Ron Dayne pick.. didn't like Pugh. Didn't like Kiawanuka (not enough of first step for me).

Every year is not a party in my draft room day of draft.. but I've had my moments.

I forgot about Eli.....was focused only on direct drafting.
That was a roller coaster draft for me to watch; rooting for him to be available, then he's picked by SD, then rumors of a trade, then trade likely not happening, then PRivers and acceptance of that pick, then the trade announcement, then discouraged by what they gave up.
After I got off the roller coaster and caught my breath I was finally able to enjoy them getting Eli.

2007 - I wanted Jon Beason or Reggie Nelson
2008 - Kenny Phillips
2009 - Hakeem Nicks
2010 - Sean Weatherspoon
2011 - I didn't follow the draft closely that year.
2012 - David Wilson
2013 - It wasn't Pugh
2014 - Aaron Donald

In comment 12150264 Reale01 said:

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Initial thoughts after each pick. Generally have liked our picks especially the more recent picks. Did not like Kiwi and Wilson on draft day, but liked a lot shortly after once I knew more about them. 2000 Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin Very Happy - but like Alexander better trusted NYG to make right choice. 2001 Will Allen DB Syracuse Did not like at all 2002 Jeremy Shockey TE Miami Very happy 2003 William Joseph DT Miami Did not like at all 2004 Philip Rivers QB North Carolina Did not like, but liked after trade for Eli 2006 Mathias Kiwi DE Boston College Did not like, but liked better after learning more 2007 Aaron Ross DB Texas Did not like at all. Too old 2008 Kenny Phillips DB Miami (Florida) Very happy 2009 Hakeem Nicks WR North Carolina Very happy 2010 J Pierre-Paul DE South Florida Very happy 2011 P Amukamara DB Nebraska Very happy 2012 David Wilson RB Virginia Tech Did not like, but liked a lot once OTAs started 2013 Justin Pugh OL Syracuse Did not like, thought we reached at time, but I like now 2014 Odell Beckham, WR Louisiana State Very happy

Wow, I agree with all. My feelings were the same with evey one of your observations. I felt the same.

Felt Aaron Gibson and McIntosh were the reason he was good.

Just Eli, Kenny Phillips and Prince

So here goes:

1988-Eric Moore, not the specific player I would have picked, but I was happy with the selection. My pick would have been: Ken Harvey (Elliott was the next guy after Harvey, so I loved our 2nd round pick)

1989-Brian Williams-Was happy with the pick, I really had no clue since everyone I was hoping for was already picked

1990-Rodney Hampton-Loved this pick, I was sure he would have been gone in the top 15, very glad to see them draft him when he was still there. (1)

1991-Jarrod Bunch-Liked the player, but not so much the pick of a FB/RB. Wanted: Roman Phifer

1992-Derek Brown-Was hoping he would be the pick. Ugh (2)

1993-No first.

1994-Thomas Lewis-WTF...right position, wrong player, Wanted: Derrick Alexander

1995-Ty Wheatley-Hated this pick, said before the draft I hoped he wouldn't be the pick. Wanted: Blake Brockermeyer

1996-Cedric Jones, like many was left dumbfounded when all the players we wanted were picked and Laurence Phillips fell. I wasn't unhappy with the pick as Jones was the number two behind the guy I would have picked. Wanted: Pete Kendall

1997-Ike Hilliard- was very happy with the pick as I liked Hilliard a lot, but not who I would have picked, I wanted the LBer that went next. Wanted: James Farrior

1998-Shaun Williams- Was hoping for Faneca in the draft like many of us, but Williams would havce been the player I selected as well (3)

1999-Luke Petitgout- Hated this pick. Wanted: LJ Shelton

2000-Ron Dayne- I was in the minority, but I hated this pick long before they made it and I just knew they were going to take him. Wanted: Bubba Franks

2001-Will Allen- other than Clements, non of the DBs interested me, though I knew the Giants needed one, so I liked the pick. I would have drafted Todd Heap

2002-Jeremy Shockey- liked the pick. Wanted: Napolean Harris

2003-William Joseph- not a fan of the player but they desperately needed a DT so I was ok with it since all the other DTs were gone. I would have picked: Kwame Harris

2004-Rivers/Manning- The top guys I wanted in order that year were Manning, Rothlisberger, Sean Taylor and Gallery. Loved that they ended up with Eli. I would have stayed put and taken Ben.

2005-no 1st round pick

2006-Mathias Kiwanuka- Hated the pick. Wanted: DeMeco Ryans

2007-Aaron Ross- Hated the pick. Wanted Reggie Nelson

2008-Kenny Phillips- Liked the pick Preferred: Trell Johnson

2009-Hakeem Nicks- Loved the pick (4)

2010-Jason Pierre-Paul- I had heard he was the guy they were targeting a few days before the draft, so I was locked onto him, though was concerned about the risk. Glad they got their guy (5)

2011-Prince Amukamara- Was shocked he was still there, no brainer pick. (6)

2012-David Wilson- liked the player, liked the pick Wanted: Jonathan Martin

2013-Justin Pugh- Liked the player, liked the pick Wanted: Tyler Eifert

2014-Odell Beckham- he was in my top 3 when they drafted him, so I loved the pick. Zack Martin was number 1 and Aaron Donald was number 2.

So, 27 years, 25 picks, I had 6.

picks right and I think it is more difficult in the later rounds. Yet every year most of us try to figure it out ahead of time and often hitch our hopes to certain players that end up going somewhere else. Than we all seem to do the same thing. We root for whoever they pick. LOL and I love the draft.

Ike Hilliard, after his one-man-show at the Sugar Bowl.

Then in his second game with the Giants, he gets tackled and is down on the ground.

Along comes Chis Hudson (Jags), hits him in the back with his pads and knees him hard in the head. Ike suffers a broken neck and is never the same again.

Least favorite - Shaun "Mr.Potential" Williams: wanted Faneca, who was not only BPA but the Giants were DESPERATE for a lineman.

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Phillips Prince

Shockey.

Pre draft- Shockey Eli Phillips.

Did not foresee Prince falling.

By draft day last year I was onboard with Beckham but I originally wanted Evans until it was obvious he wouldn't be there.

Nicks is the only one I recall

Hated Dayne, wanted Alexander. Was all for Eli. Still am.

In comment 12151526 drkenneth said:

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Hated Dayne, wanted Alexander. Was all for Eli. Still am.

Yeah I wanted Alexander. Had a bad feeling about Dayne.

I liked Eli but I was surprised when it actually. happened.

I don't know what the hell is going on,me and Jerry used to be such good friends.

Most of that was due to his last name, but I also saw some Ole Miss games in '03 & was really impressed.

I wanted Phillips too.

Last year I was in the Zack Martin camp, but it's pretty safe to say I don't regret the Beckham pick.