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SicilianGMEN : 2/24/2015 3:22 pm
@KimJonesSports 2m2 minutes ago
NYG: DE Mathias Kiwanuka has been informed of his release. In nine years, he was part of two Super Bowl championship teams.
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So that leaves just Eli and Zach Deossie from the '07 SB team  
Scyber : 2/24/2015 3:42 pm : link
right?
Classy guy and part of 2 Super Bowls.  
Randy in CT : 2/24/2015 3:43 pm : link
Wish he could impart some of his class on the douchebag fans that follow his team.
RE: What a drag it is getting old.  
Sec 103 : 2/24/2015 3:47 pm : link
In comment 12151062 Cam in MO said:
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Thanks for the memories and doing everything asked of you.

Who knows how good you would have been had you been a full time DE?

+ 1000.
Unselfish player, and a class act. Glad he won 2 rings.
Great team guy...  
Jan in DC : 2/24/2015 3:48 pm : link
Bounced around different positions and you never heard anything negative out of him.
he is also a Bigfoot believer, apparently  
Greg from LI : 2/24/2015 3:52 pm : link
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RE: he is also a Bigfoot believer, apparently  
Randy in CT : 2/24/2015 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12151146 Greg from LI said:
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And you are a cunt. Know that. And embrace it, cunt.
He actually complained mightily...  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/24/2015 4:03 pm : link
...that the Giants asked him to cut his pay last year. Stuff like how unfair non-guaranteed contracts are. Meanwhile, the guy got an incredibly generous $12 million signing bonus when he signed an extension before the 2012 season. He conveniently never mentioned that when he complained that he was force to take a pay cut.
RE: Good luck to Kiwi  
njm : 2/24/2015 4:07 pm : link
In comment 12151074 Matt in SGS said:
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a solid citizen here, he did what the team asked (moving to LB, moving back to DE, etc). Never complained. Helped them win Super Bowls. He was having a great year in 2007 when he broke his leg, I'm glad he was able to come back in 2011 to be on the field for the 2nd championship.

But as JonC said, the other shoe is going to start to drop now. The Giants are going to clear out some of the older/higher salary/injury guys.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
RE: So that leaves just Eli and Zach Deossie from the '07 SB team  
dpinzow : 2/24/2015 4:07 pm : link
In comment 12151119 Scyber said:
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right?


Yup, how time flies.

Thanks Kiwi...he had some great moments mixed with some not so good plays but definitely represented the team in an incredibly classy manner
Thanks for being part of the organization  
Mason : 2/24/2015 4:09 pm : link
....
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arcarsenal : 2/24/2015 4:11 pm : link
It was time. Had a nice career here and wish him the best going forward.

Once a Giant, always a Giant.
Great  
Mr. Nickels : 2/24/2015 4:15 pm : link
contributor to 2 championships.

Thanks Kiwanuka!
They jerked him around too much  
Torrag : 2/24/2015 4:17 pm : link
and he wasn't the same after the injury....but few are. Thanks Kiwi you had heart....a true Giant!
Whats the cap savings?  
blueblood : 2/24/2015 4:19 pm : link
on this move ??
Giants have a boatload  
Rflairr : 2/24/2015 4:21 pm : link
of cap space. A Bulaga or Iupati run coming?
kiwi was a true giant  
mar_ar : 2/24/2015 4:21 pm : link
but sadly, i think his most memorable play on the field was the non-sack of vince young. nothing else stands out to me.
Class  
DanMetroMan : 2/24/2015 4:22 pm : link
act. Very solid for most of his career. Not trying to be a jerk but 1-2 years later than he probably should have been cut but best of luck to him.
Rflair  
Andy in Boston : 2/24/2015 4:23 pm : link
I wouldn't say a boatload. If they franchise JPP, they currently have about 11 million. (After JPP's 15 million hit). And they need about 6 million to sign draft picks.
They can still make more room....and they're in pretty good shape, but I wouldn't say great shape.
I was really happy that Kiwi got to play in a Super Bowl and win  
Ben in Tampa : 2/24/2015 4:24 pm : link
He was always the guy I felt the worst for during that 2007 run.

Thanks, Mathias!
..  
Toth029 : 2/24/2015 4:31 pm : link
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Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 16s16 seconds ago
Kiwanuka was due $4,775,000 in salary for 2015. That is now the amount the Giants save by cutting him.


Good cash to use. Gotta hope they look at a top tier DB or OL.
Kiwi  
Dragon : 2/24/2015 4:32 pm : link
Took the clean death path without any complaints.
Here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 2/24/2015 4:32 pm : link
is the full cap impact, including dead money...
Salary Cap Impact - ( New Window )
Two years too late  
RobCarpenter : 2/24/2015 4:35 pm : link
But better late than never, I suppose. If he were kept he'd probably start b/c of Tom's loyalty to him.
He could have told them to  
Headhunter : 2/24/2015 4:55 pm : link
Go fuck themselves when they asked him to play LB. Good soldier who hurt his personal stats for the good of the team. I appreciate your sacrifice and have nothing but respect for you Kiwi. Best of Luck
RE: Two years too late  
Randy in CT : 2/24/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12151237 RobCarpenter said:
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But better late than never, I suppose. If he were kept he'd probably start b/c of Tom's loyalty to him.
I wish BBI could cut you too. So there's that.
The  
AcidTest : 2/24/2015 5:04 pm : link
consummate professional and role model. He never complained when he was bounced back and forth from DE to LB, even though it negatively affected his career. He always gave everything he had. One of our better draft picks.
RE: they  
dorgan : 2/24/2015 5:11 pm : link
In comment 12151073 area junc said:
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wanted him to retire



You're probably right, but it's a guess on your part because you don't know shit but you love to pretend you're some kind of insider.

Do you dress up in camo and pretend you're a warrior at times, too?

The act is old, Thomas. You should try a different role.
Maybe a ballerina.


Thanks dorgan  
Headhunter : 2/24/2015 5:23 pm : link
Now every time I see his handle I'm going to picture a short fat stubby guy chomping on a cigar in a tutu
I'll post here  
Glover : 2/24/2015 5:26 pm : link
Don't want to post on "appreciation" thread. Thanks for being pretty good at times, often injured, and overpaid and overvalued. He doesn't need my appreciation, the Giants have shown him enough. I wish him the best. Maybe he gets a gig as a rotational 34 OLB somewhere. What he should have been his whole career.

Great kid and I really appreciate  
LauderdaleMatty : 2/24/2015 5:48 pm : link
Is effort but he was never a great player. Flashed in a few games. Like Jon said. Neck injury set him back. Also that cheap shot that broke his leg always pissed me off


Good luck to him in football or out
RE: I'll post here  
Devon : 2/24/2015 5:56 pm : link
In comment 12151326 Glover said:
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Don't want to post on "appreciation" thread. Thanks for being pretty good at times, often injured, and overpaid and overvalued. He doesn't need my appreciation, the Giants have shown him enough. I wish him the best. Maybe he gets a gig as a rotational 34 OLB somewhere. What he should have been his whole career.


Kiwanuka likely cost himself a good deal of money in his career agreeing to bounce around at LB. The Giants paid him, yes, but he was one of the very few players that actually did show some pretty genuine selflessness.

Also, he should have been a 4-3 DE his whole career. That was his natural (NFL) position and by the time he consistently moved back there, the neck and knee injuries had done him in.
Kiwi should be in the Ring of Honor  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 2/24/2015 6:09 pm : link
for his accomplishments and dedication to the team
OLB in a 3-4  
bc4life : 2/24/2015 6:18 pm : link
could not be more wrong.
This is a BBI meme  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/24/2015 6:28 pm : link
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Kiwanuka likely cost himself a good deal of money in his career agreeing to bounce around at LB. The Giants paid him, yes, but he was one of the very few players that actually did show some pretty genuine selflessness.

Also, he should have been a 4-3 DE his whole career. That was his natural (NFL) position and by the time he consistently moved back there, the neck and knee injuries had done him in.


The fact is that in 2007 Strahan, Osi and Tuck were ahead of him at DE. The only way he could get a decent number of snaps was if he played OLB. So it's not like he was a martyr, he did it gladly, because it was just as good a move for him as for the team.

What wouldn't have been good for his career would have been telling the Giants to "fuck off" as the poster above said he could have. Yeah, right, a 2nd year player that was 4th on the DE depth chart would tell the team to fuck off. So, yeah, I am guessing that wasn't really a realistic option.

Anyway, Kiwi played primarily as a passrushing OLB in Spags defense, so it's not like his DE development was screwed. When he went back to DE he was good, and in 2010 he was looking dominant before his neck injury. He never recovered from that. That's what hurt his career, unfortunately. Not his versatility.

My only problem concerning Kiwi was the huge extension he got in 2012 (but that's on Reese) but also as I mentioned, how he thought the Giants were so unfair to make him take a paycut this year. If he didn't take the paycut, he would have been cut and out of football most likely. He got a chance to play one more year and start a significant part of it. He should have been thanking the Giants, instead he sounded like a typical, bitter fading player.
Sb  
DavidinBMNY : 2/24/2015 6:35 pm : link
Great post. Extremely well said. At the same time look at it from Kiwi's perspective. Regardless of ability, he is doing the same job he did the year before and making less. How would that sit with you.

I have a fundamental issue with cutting player's salaries. I'd rather release the player. That's just me, but let the player test the open market and if he comes back after that the opinion is different. A potential FA (let's say Rolle) who agrees to new terms at a reduced rate is different because they agreed to it and they didn't go into the open market.

I don't begrudge players being asked to take pay cuts being bitter about it. Put yourself in Kiwi's shoes. What would you do if your boss said we're cutting your salary for the same job because your older and less effective.

What would you say?
Kiwi  
Rob in CT/NYC : 2/24/2015 6:46 pm : link
Didn't get a $12 million signing bonus in '12. Ranting works better if you get the facts right.
Kiwi was like the Byron Hunt of this group  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 2/24/2015 6:51 pm : link
if I had to compare to 86-90 group. Albeit Byron was nota DE but he was always the 4th option in the rotation of great defensive players Kiwi at DE/LB and Byron only at LB
Once again Eric's source for rumors...  
Damon : 2/24/2015 6:51 pm : link
is about 72 hours ahead of the news. Very nice E!
Thought Kiwi was going to be a star at DE for us.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/24/2015 7:45 pm : link
Remember the '06 preseason game at Baltimore when he had 3 sacks in 3 straight plays.
SB nailed it  
djm : 2/24/2015 7:51 pm : link
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Sorry.....had to be done  
Jim in Fairfax : 2/24/2015 8:22 pm : link

I agree,  
bigfish703 : 2/24/2015 8:24 pm : link
In comment 12151080 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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And a crowded DE rotation.

I think moving him to LB was a mistake that cost him part of his career.


and he did so without complaint for the good of the team. Kiwi is what Super Bowl champions are made of.
RE: Kiwi  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/24/2015 8:34 pm : link
In comment 12151399 Rob in CT/NYC said:
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Didn't get a $12 million signing bonus in '12. Ranting works better if you get the facts right.


Sorry, it was $11 million guaranteed. Wouldn't call what I was saying a rant, but regardless, $11 million guaranteed aint too shabby.
I think you're new to perhaps humanity if you think the normal  
Devon : 2/24/2015 8:37 pm : link
reaction to seeing a chance at potentially millions of dollars more and at more accolades/praise go right by you because you're having to suck it up and play a position you never are going to really get it together at is how Kiwanuka handled it.

It doesn't mean he should have told the Giants to go fuck themselves and raised utter terror, but most players wouldn't have played anywhere near as nice about it as he did, both privately and publicly.
RE: I think you're new to perhaps humanity if you think the normal  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/24/2015 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12151557 Devon said:
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reaction to seeing a chance at potentially millions of dollars more and at more accolades/praise go right by you because you're having to suck it up and play a position you never are going to really get it together at is how Kiwanuka handled it.


Except Kiwi did make millions and millions of dollars, he was actually good at LB before his injury, and he actually wanted to be a pass rushing OLB instead of only the 4th DE in the rotation. Otherwise great post.
RE: Whats the cap savings?  
Optimus-NY : 2/24/2015 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12151197 blueblood said:
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on this move ??


This move saves $4.85 M against the salary cap.
Reading clearly isn't your friend.  
Devon : 2/24/2015 9:00 pm : link
I said millions more, which a starting DE (at what his potential looked to once be) would have been in line for (both from contracts and off field stuff) and more accolades/praise, which playing his natural position would have given him a likely better shot at. His "wanting" to play LB was him making the best of a situation that absolutely was not an ideal one for him or his potential (go back and quote search 2008, when he got to move back to DE and how ready he clearly was to get a shot where he felt like he belonged), but he sucked it up and handled it a hell of a lot better than most players would.

And Kiwi was never worth much at LB. At best, he was a generally decentish player that flashed potential to be more as he learned... but then he got injured and they shuffled him back and forth between DE and LB for a couple years more years, never really getting a chance to settle in until he was broken down by the neck injury and it didn't really matter anymore.
RE: RE: Two years too late  
RobCarpenter : 2/24/2015 9:30 pm : link
In comment 12151282 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 12151237 RobCarpenter said:


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But better late than never, I suppose. If he were kept he'd probably start b/c of Tom's loyalty to him.

I wish BBI could cut you too. So there's that.


Wowzers. I'll miss watching ineffective DE play from Kiwi.
Well,  
Doomster : 2/24/2015 9:30 pm : link
I was hoping, with the loss of Tuck, now Kiwi would just be a DE, and just concentrate on that....

But, he just wasn't the player that he once was....he was a force early in his career, and if he didn't hurt that neck, who know?

But he had to see the hand writing on the wall....after taking a big paycut, he had to have a big year.....he didn't.....at the level he played last year, he will be easily replaced...
Devon  
sb from NYT Forum : 2/24/2015 9:46 pm : link
1. Kiwi got a huge, generous contract extension in 2012, more than Osi ever got, so I am not sure where you are getting this idea that he lost out on millions of dollars more than he otherwise would have. I guess you know for sure though that Kiwi would have been that much richer if he had stayed at DE in 2007?

2. You say "his 'wanting' to play LB was him making the best of a situation that absolutely was not an ideal one for him." What are you basing that on? Personal conversations with Kiwi or his friends and family. Or more likely total speculation. Because I am basing what I posted on Kiwi's actual words. I don't think it's that hard to believe that Kiwi would want to be a starter with more time on the field than as the 4th DE in the rotation.

So please, before blasting a poster as "new to humanity" because they make a post that you don't agree with, maybe you should try posting more than speculation and conjecture disguised as intelligence.
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