Landon Collins at #9

One trick pony who is a liability in coverage and lacks the hands for the INT when given the opportunity.

Instead of White or Cooper or Sheldon. Maybe we should change the whole defense to accommodate him.

Seriously, are you vying to be the worst draft poster in BBI history?

Not good enough in coverage.

way....

May look at talent in 3rd round if value is there.

Should be hit with a stick.

Value is first determined by talent then by depth. You don't draft a lesser talent because the depth isn't there. You have to draft based on talent first then need. We have to add a veteran and possibly a draft pick but I wouldnt go safety until the 4th round at the earliest. That is where the value starts to match up with our picks. Collins is a late first round talent. He won't be ours first pick at 9, that I can assure you.

And he's there, maybe we take him. At #9... I don't think he'll be at the top of the Giants board.

Much lighter on his feet than I thought.

Devastating hitter, but not a technical hitter. Didn't wrap up well.

@ #9? No, thank you. Now if you talking a trade back scenario with, say, Cleveland? Perhaps.......

bona fide starters in this DB class. Which includes Trey and Collins.

pick.

He is a physical presence against the run but he struggles in coverage. In today's NFL it is crucial to have safeties who can both play the run and cover. I know safety is a big need but that doesn't mean the Giants should reach for one.

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And I would have that banner shot down currently flying over the Meadowlands,it says "Landon Collins can't cover".

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Strengths: Extremely physical Excellent run-defender Good instincts Devastating hitter Good tackler Quickness Can separate the ball from the receiver Comes up with splash plays Reads a quarterback's eyes Functional in zone coverage Intelligent Disciplined Natural strong safety Operates well in zone Contributed on special teams Should be able to play quickly Experienced and successful against good college talent Should be able to play immediately

I would argue he isn't even a 1st rd pick. He can't cover and he's not as good of an in the box safety as some say. Very weak tackler

"Not an isolation safety on a tight end or slot receiver", "Not a rangy safety", "Lacks versatility to play deep free safety", and most especially "Can get burned in man coverage"...and Mayock says he's valuable because on passing plays he can drop back and play man coverage. Alrighty then.

why add another?

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Seriously, terrible

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"Not an isolation safety on a tight end or slot receiver", "Not a rangy safety", "Lacks versatility to play deep free safety", and most especially "Can get burned in man coverage"...and Mayock says he's valuable because on passing plays he can drop back and play man coverage. Alrighty then.

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And then your question about the safeties, what do I value in Landon Collins I think was the question, he reminds me a little bit of Deone Bucannon last year who went late to Arizona. I love the way Arizona used him, which was kind of a strong safety in their base coverage, and then dime linebacker in their nickel and dime, big enough to take on a run but certainly quick and athletic enough to cover running backs and tight ends, and that's what I see with Landon Collins.

he's a liability in coverage per se. He's made a lot of great plays playing man and zone. He's had some mishaps and one really bad game but so had everyone else on this planet. My only concern is whether the Alabama scheme has propped him up but he stands out like a prime Antrel Rolle did. Well sculpted, good hands, excellent tackler, big hits and all over the field. And that's why I think he'll be under serious consideration for the Giants.

He is bad in coverage at the college level, which is only going to get magnified more in the NFL. If you are instinctive, you can get away with being slower. He seems slow and not very instinctive

The best S in a terrible draft for S does not make him worth the 9th pick

Collins was dead last on Monday. Might mean nothing, but still...

the Giants need to add a FS in free agency. A starter because we have none. Not something you can find in the draft. And perhaps a smaller signing at S as well, depending on how much confidence they have in Cooper Taylor. Re-signing Rolle on the cheap would be nice. I think he can play centerfield. His speed has slowed but putting him back there allows enough for time for him to use his still excellent instincts to break on the ball. He was able to do that with Will Hill here. And Rolle would be a great teacher back there. Behre can play that Aztec role but he's a late rounder and I doubt the Giants expect him to start. Collins would be a nice addition.

Does anyone think there's a possibility he falls to round two?

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Does anyone think there's a possibility he falls to round two?

Wont have any idea until after FA..

He'll be a beast on special teams out the gate that's for sure.

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In comment 12151715 2ndroundKO said: Quote: Does anyone think there's a possibility he falls to round two? Wont have any idea until after FA..

Yep true. I like him there if he falls. I think at #9 there are too many good players we'll have to choose from before pulling the trigger on Collins. But yeah, everybody's draft board is going to look vastly different after FA.

Hell no.

You are kidding - right?

very unlikely.

In other words, can he play in reverse and in the open field, I could see them taking him.

This position will be addressed via FA. #9 is a spot for a stud, not a player with glaring weaknesses.

I suspect the only way they go "LB" is if they feel it's time to add a Beasley on the edge, to upgrade the speed and the ability to overload and create havoc. I believe there is some possibility this could happen, as NYG desperately needs an edge talent, and the speed and mobility factor is only going up while NYG hasn't kept up.

A Shaq type pick is very unlikely, for example. He's more likely a S in the NFL, and is really raw, has no true position defined yet.

but he probably has maxed out at his current 245.

If a 4-3 team feels he has no weaknesses, therefore a true 3-down LB I could easily see us taking him.

Remember the buzz about the Buffalo kid last year. This kid has the same combine numbers and a far higher level of competition success.

but also noting it would be a paradigm shift for NYG, a team with coaches with relative lame duck status, etc.

...to earn consideration in the Top 10. It didn't happen. He's a late first rounder imo.

/plagiarism complaint lodged to Eric....ok borrowed ;]

I was told Mack was top 5 on their board a year ago, so there does appear to be some movement in the front office towards more AA on the edge, at least.

What gives me great pause is this regime has shown virtually no ability to scout and evaluate LBs accurately.

Agree our LB scouting scares the crap out of me. IF Kennard proves out he'll be the first significant find since Jessie in the '93 draft and he would be an UDFA in today's system(I refuse to count Kiwanuka he should have stayed at DE-his best position). Just terrible.

In comment 12152017 JonC said:

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I suspect the only way they go "LB" is if they feel it's time to add a Beasley on the edge, to upgrade the speed and the ability to overload and create havoc. I believe there is some possibility this could happen, as NYG desperately needs an edge talent, and the speed and mobility factor is only going up while NYG hasn't kept up. A Shaq type pick is very unlikely, for example. He's more likely a S in the NFL, and is really raw, has no true position defined yet.

I myself said I'd take Thompson over Collins, but neither in the 1st. I don't see Thompson lasting until 40 though. I could see a team like NE taking him for his versatility to play defense, offense, and special teams.

Shaq's best chance in the NFL is RB.

As of right now all the size appropriate edge guys are on my #9 watchlist. I would pick Fowler/Ray/Beasley before any WR not named Cooper. Ray still needs to verify his AA at his pro day but I expect he will.

of someone thinking need over value which is dopey at 9.