Kevin White over Amari Cooper?

there's definitely a correlation between bigger hands and better hands. But it's not 100%. Both guys have great hands but both White and Parker have flashed a bigger catch radius than Cooper.

In comment 12153981 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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there's definitely a correlation between bigger hands and better hands. But it's not 100%. Both guys have great hands but both White and Parker have flashed a bigger catch radius than Cooper.

White does not have "great" hands... He has had drop issues. Parker as well. Don't get me wrong I am a big fan of all 3, but give me the better hands, better route runner, quicker guy over the slightly taller and/or slightly faster guy.

In comment 12153971 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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you could definitely argue that White is better than Cooper right now. - bigger - faster - quicker off the snap - better against press coverage - better at making 50/50 catches downfield These are all edges for White right now. I agree that I like Cooper better, but White definitely has a stronger argument than what you're making out. Cooper doesn't explode at the snap like Beckham does. He's very quick but not as explosive as Beckham.

Where are you getting that he's quicker off the snap?

And I'm not sure he's faster either. See the video I posted as well as game tape. And I don't think he's better vs the press either. He's bigger and better at making contested catches.

White had 8 drops last year and Cooper had 6. So it's not some massive difference in dropsies. Plus I think White typically had harder passes to catch because he couldn't run himself open as easily as Cooper could and he didn't have as many easy screen passes.

I guess catching radius is different from hands. Cooper might have the best hands from the trio. But he also definitely has the smallest catching radius. I think that's Parker's best asset and where the AJ Green comps come from.

period..

and still like Cooper much more than one year White. Now, I like White, but only in a trade down. I'd take Cooper at 9.

based on watching the NFLdraftbreakdown/youtube vids of White and Cooper. I watched plenty of Bama games so I've seen a ton of Cooper, I haven't seen much WVU or Louisville games so I have to rely on those vids.

But one thing I definitely see with White is that he gets 0-60 faster than Cooper or Parker. I was surprised at his deep speed in the 40. But that ability to get to full speed quickly is White's biggest edge over Parker and Cooper imo.

In comment 12153977 barens said:

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But if you want to make an argument, then watch tape of White blowing up Alabama's vaunted defense when they played against each other. Could Cooper have had that same impact if the roles were reversed?

First Alabama had the 58th best pass defense last year. Could Cooper have had the same impact as White? of course he could and probably would have. That same game he went 12-130 compared to White's 9-143-1 ... that is with Alabama only throwing 33 times completely only 24 passes (half of the completions were to Cooper) for 250 yards (over half the yards were to Cooper). WVU on the other hand threw it 45 times completing 29 (less than a 3rd to White) for 365 yards (less than half to White)... That was with Cooper being the focal stopping point also.

you do realize that Cooper is the slowest in that vid, right?

In comment 12154012 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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White had 8 drops last year and Cooper had 6. So it's not some massive difference in dropsies. Plus I think White typically had harder passes to catch because he couldn't run himself open as easily as Cooper could and he didn't have as many easy screen passes. I guess catching radius is different from hands. Cooper might have the best hands from the trio. But he also definitely has the smallest catching radius. I think that's Parker's best asset and where the AJ Green comps come from.

What were his drops from the year before? Again I like White, but his hands aren't as good as Coopers. You don't see drop issue ever associated with Cooper, but you do see it with White. It is a concern. Remember Cooper played against LSU, Auburn, Miss State, Ole Miss, etc in a pro style slow down offense and put up Monster numbers as the sole concern in the passing game. White put up great numbers in a fast tempo passing offense that had multiple WR sets to defend and Mario Alfred to also worry about.

...we already drafted a better version of Cooper.

OBJ.

If the Giants go WR at 9, they will need their heads examined, but if they do and both guys are sitting there (highly unlikely) I take that stud from West Va.

Why?

Much better complement to OBJ (and Cruz if he ever makes it back).

But WR at #9 is an idiot choice for the worst POA team in the NFL.

And that's where the game is won. Not at WR, but at the POA.

No Cooper is the fastest guy in that vid. #35 is Parker. White has the dreads.

In comment 12154107 M.S. said:

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...we already drafted a better version of Cooper. OBJ. If the Giants go WR at 9, they will need their heads examined, but if they do and both guys are sitting there (highly unlikely) I take that stud from West Va. Why? Much better complement to OBJ (and Cruz if he ever makes it back). But WR at #9 is an idiot choice for the worst POA team in the NFL. And that's where the game is won. Not at WR, but at the POA.

Disagree completely. First off we still have the Free Agency period which will begin next month. The Giants could fill holes on the OL and DL in FA possibly.. I expect them to definitely address the OL...

If the value on the receiver is MUCH higher than that on the OL or DL.. you take the best player available..

I don't think Odell was a better player then Cooper. The stats definitely don't back that statement up.

Even if Cooper is 75% the player that Beckham is then you run to the podium at 9.

In comment 12154127 Big Rick in FL said:

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No Cooper is the fastest guy in that vid. #35 is Parker. White has the dreads.

Damn my bad, got Parker and Cooper mixed up. Cooper definitely looks like he has the best deep speed in that vid.

I just took a look at a video and it's really hard to evaluate because UCF's quarterback is so bad.

In comment 12154212 Ira said:

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I just took a look at a video and it's really hard to evaluate because UCF's quarterback is so bad.

He had hands issue also. I hope we look later if we don't go WR round 1. Aghalor or Greene in the 3rd would be nice to me. I also really like Antwan Goodley from Baylor. If didn't have some injury stuff he would have been a second rounder IMO. He would be a nice pick up in the 4th-6th round range

if they took Cooper.

You'd have to be a fool to pass on that talent if it fell in your lap. They would not be doing their jobs as talent evaluators if they did that.

In comment 12154276 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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if they took Cooper. You'd have to be a fool to pass on that talent if it fell in your lap. They would not be doing their jobs as talent evaluators if they did that.

If Cooper and Williams are the only 2 non QB blue chip guys on our draft board and Cooper was there, how do you pass that up?

...hugely ahead of anyone else, and they are both there at 9, then I suppose Jerry Reese would select one of them.

But it could just be that he also has a POA player in the same row as one of these two, in which case "need" comes in to play big time.

But just remember this: OBJ is an outright star, already one of the game's best as just a rookie.

But for all his brilliance and all his gaudy stats, the Giants sucked as a team.

Absolutely sucked.

blueblood... if we don't go POA early and often this draft, I sure hope you're right that we pick up some decent FAs. And I mean on both sides of the ball. We suck at the POA on both sides of the ball.

If the Giants feel uncertain about the ability of Victor Cruz to return to top form they should select Cooper if he is there because his skills translate better to the slot position and kick returner. Cooper runs sharp routes and loses corner backs in that manner. I think he can be a pro-bowl player and star as a slot man. I do not think he is better than White as a flanker because he rarely leaps up to fight for and catch the ball at its highest point that White does extremely well. He out muscles the corner for the ball.

If the G-men believe they need another Flanker who is better than Ruben Randle or Corey Washington than White is the more logical choice. I think that Corey showed last pre-season that he would make a very good flanker, and I like him more than Ruben. Because of the question about Cruz returning to his former level of play I think the Giants would prefer to take Cooper. That selection would match a need with a quality player with first round talent. Of course, this is assuming that he will still be there at 9.

I would not take White if cooper is gone unless the Giants think the difference between him and Corey justifies it.

However DE as always is a wildcard due to premium placed on position. Free Agency will give some clues depending on which positions we address and to what extent.