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DaddyM89 : 2/26/2015 1:58 pm
Couple of interesting picks here..

- Has Fowler all the way up to number 3 overall to Jacksonville

- Has Kevin White all the way up to 4 to Oakland replacing Amari Cooper

- Has Mariota dropping to Jets at 6

- Has us Picking Scherff at 9th overall, one spot AHEAD of where Cooper is taken 10th overall to rams.

I am all for addressing the O-line but I just think the value isn't there at 9 overall. That's why I am hoping they address it in free agency. In this scenario I would definitely want to take cooper who seems like a safe stud wr pick.
Knowing the Giants' tendencies as a fan  
Danny Kanell : 2/26/2015 2:00 pm : link
I'd wager they take Cooper if that same scenario presents itse;f.

In fact, i'd be absolutely shocked if they didn't. Especially given his results in drills the Giants value higher than most and also, his route running ability.
Those are reasonable projections, I don't see NYJ taking MM  
Eric on Li : 2/26/2015 2:01 pm : link
and passing on Cooper but it's certainly possible. And obviously FA will change everything up.

I tend to agree that the Giants will be addressing OL in FA. I think they go big for Bulaga, Franklin or maybe even Iupati - which frees them up to not feel like they need to pick an immediate starter for the OL. If they strike out on those guys Scherff and Collins are going to be a lot more likely.
Has us Picking Scherff at 9th overall, one spot AHEAD of...Cooper  
BillT : 2/26/2015 2:01 pm : link
Reese would and should be fired in the spot.
Cooper was crazy good at Alabama  
arniefez : 2/26/2015 2:01 pm : link
sometimes I wonder if these teams don't outsmart themselves. I have a feeling whoever gets Cooper is going to be really happy.
Here is the big question I have.....  
Reb8thVA : 2/26/2015 2:02 pm : link
In a red chip draft where the gap in talent between players is not very big and determining BPA is more difficult, does not become more of a deciding factor.
Passing on Cooper would be tough  
sjnyfan : 2/26/2015 2:04 pm : link
The value outweighs the need there.
marginal impact to the team  
hitdog42 : 2/26/2015 2:04 pm : link
of an all pro caliber OL will be greater then another WR.
RE: Cooper was crazy good at Alabama  
BillT : 2/26/2015 2:04 pm : link
In comment 12154156 arniefez said:
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sometimes I wonder if these teams don't outsmart themselves. I have a feeling whoever gets Cooper is going to be really happy.


It isn't the teams it's guys like McShay.
If Cooper is on the board  
Emil : 2/26/2015 2:05 pm : link
You take him or trade the pick.
I left out  
Reb8thVA : 2/26/2015 2:06 pm : link
Need. Doesn't need become more of a deciding factor
John Mara said the offensive line is priority #1 this offseason.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/26/2015 2:07 pm : link
Jerry Reese said he'll always take a playmaker over a trench player.

Let's see who holds more weight. Something tells me it's going to be Mara this time around.
Idk how these guys make money  
Big Rick in FL : 2/26/2015 2:08 pm : link
Do they not pay attention to what teams do? Didn't Jerry Reese just say that we will take a playmaker over a Guard everytime? Or something to that effect?
They'd draft Cooper  
JonC : 2/26/2015 2:09 pm : link
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Reb8thVA  
CT Charlie : 2/26/2015 2:09 pm : link
You've certainly raised a good statement.
Let's see if Cooper is available  
Headhunter : 2/26/2015 2:12 pm : link
that would give the Giants a cost controlled dynamic duo for at least 3 years or 4 that would terrorize Defensive Coordinators or draft a fat tackle that might be a good guard? what to do?
There's also  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 2/26/2015 2:13 pm : link
free agency. If the Giants add an Orlando Franklin / Bryan Bulaga type, I think the tackle talk quiets down. And the o-line will have been addressed except for depth. But the 9th pick is not where you add depth.


RE: I left out  
BillT : 2/26/2015 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12154172 Reb8thVA said:
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Need. Doesn't need become more of a deciding factor


No. You draft talent and all things being equal, with priority picks you draft priority positions. For the Giants it's (QB), WR, DL, DB.
Reese recently said  
JonC : 2/26/2015 2:13 pm : link
if given a "playmaker or a guard", he's picking the playmaker. At #9 overall, with a premium WR staring you in the face, I don't think need is a big factor for NYG.
If Cooper is there  
Bake54 : 2/26/2015 2:14 pm : link
he would be the BPA wouldn't he? That should be a no-brainer pick
RE: Let's see if Cooper is available  
BillT : 2/26/2015 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12154188 Headhunter said:
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that would give the Giants a cost controlled dynamic duo for at least 3 years or 4 that would terrorize Defensive Coordinators or draft a fat tackle that might be a good guard? what to do?


Really tough choice there. Yes, what to do?
of course  
Bake54 : 2/26/2015 2:16 pm : link
the Philly sportswriters are buzzing about the Eagles trading up to get Mariota which seems unlikely to me
i would love for them to get one of the tackles in FA  
DaddyM89 : 2/26/2015 2:18 pm : link
then first round get one of the top 3 wrs, or danny shelton. Then address the o line and d line(if they dont take shelton) in rounds 2 or 3. As someone else mentioned in a different post, I would absolute take a shot at Dorial Green Beckham if he is there in a second. With no character concerns he is probably a top 10 pick.
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Reb8thVA : 2/26/2015 2:19 pm : link
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Need. Doesn't need become more of a deciding factor



No. You draft talent and all things being equal, with priority picks you draft priority positions. For the Giants it's (QB), WR, DL, DB.


But what if the Giants view Scherff as an LT?
I put this on the other thread...  
Dunedin81 : 2/26/2015 2:19 pm : link
I really think Mariota is getting dinged...
Dunedin81 : 2/25/2015 4:17 pm : link : reply

in part because of RGIII's failures. Freakish athleticism and crazy performance in the spread coupled with a personality that seems pleasant it almost has to be contrived. The assumption seems to be that because RGIII struggled to become a pro-style QB Mariota will too, but I don't think RGIII struggled because he sucked, I think he struggled because of a perfect storm of self-interested coaching and injury. I don't know for sure that Mariota will be a top NFL QB, but I'd take him in a heartbeat if I had a Top 5 pick and I'd trade up to get him if I had a Top 10 pick and a need.
RE: Reese recently said  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/26/2015 2:19 pm : link
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if given a "playmaker or a guard", he's picking the playmaker. At #9 overall, with a premium WR staring you in the face, I don't think need is a big factor for NYG.


And that "guard" was Zach Martin, who had FAR superior tape to any of the o-linemen available this year. In addition, Reese has been consistent in saying that he's not counting on Victor Cruz.
RE: John Mara said the offensive line is priority #1 this offseason.  
Stupendamatic : 2/26/2015 2:21 pm : link
In comment 12154173 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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Jerry Reese said he'll always take a playmaker over a trench player.

Let's see who holds more weight. Something tells me it's going to be Mara this time around.


Since when did John Mara become Jerry Jones?
The Giants aren't taking a G  
Rflairr : 2/26/2015 2:25 pm : link
In the top 10. Not spending that pick on a guy that there are huge questions about whether he can play tackle
I dont value Cooper as a need  
gmen9892 : 2/26/2015 2:27 pm : link
But if Shelton is gone, the OL is addressed in FA, and it comes down to Beasley/Fowler or Cooper, im siding with Cooper. Instantly gives us a Top 3 WR corps even without a healthy Cruz.

You are also paying OBJ and Cooper on rookie contracts until VC's contract is up. So you aren't tying too much money into the WR position that turns into one of the biggest strengths in the league.
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Marty in Albany : 2/26/2015 2:28 pm : link
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BLUATHRT : 2/26/2015 2:30 pm : link
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if given a "playmaker or a guard", he's picking the playmaker. At #9 overall, with a premium WR staring you in the face, I don't think need is a big factor for NYG.



And that "guard" was Zach Martin, who had FAR superior tape to any of the o-linemen available this year. In addition, Reese has been consistent in saying that he's not counting on Victor Cruz.


Zach Martin's tape wasn't better than any o-lineman in this draft. He was an excellent player at Notre Dame with versatility to transition to any position on the O-Line. His versatility was the value, but he didn't present far superior tape or play to Scherff.
marty it is espn insider but heres the link anyway  
DaddyM89 : 2/26/2015 2:32 pm : link
if you have any questions on specific picks if you dont have insider feel free to ask and ill let you know.


McShay Mock - ( New Window )
RE: Martin  
JonC : 2/26/2015 2:35 pm : link
I've heard from two places NYG views Pugh as their own Martin, fwiw.
Let's see what happens in free agency,  
Ira : 2/26/2015 2:38 pm : link
but I'd be very surprised if we don't draft Cooper if he's there.
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BillT : 2/26/2015 2:40 pm : link
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Need. Doesn't need become more of a deciding factor



No. You draft talent and all things being equal, with priority picks you draft priority positions. For the Giants it's (QB), WR, DL, DB.



But what if the Giants view Scherff as an LT?


No one is saying that. No one. And the Giants have said repeatedly it's the "Blue Goose" they're after. What? They're the only ones who see that. That's more "what if" than is reasonable.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 2/26/2015 2:41 pm : link
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if given a "playmaker or a guard", he's picking the playmaker. At #9 overall, with a premium WR staring you in the face, I don't think need is a big factor for NYG.



And that "guard" was Zach Martin, who had FAR superior tape to any of the o-linemen available this year. In addition, Reese has been consistent in saying that he's not counting on Victor Cruz.



Zach Martin's tape wasn't better than any o-lineman in this draft. He was an excellent player at Notre Dame with versatility to transition to any position on the O-Line. His versatility was the value, but he didn't present far superior tape or play to Scherff.


I actually like Scherff and think he presents the highest upside of any of the LT prospects, but the idea that he was superior to Zach Martin during their senior seasons is laughable. The OL with the most dominant tape in this draft is... La'el Collins. JMO.
RE: RE: Martin  
B in ALB : 2/26/2015 2:48 pm : link
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I've heard from two places NYG views Pugh as their own Martin, fwiw.


Jon - except that Pugh has never played G and I would say that moving a lineman inside is easier than moving him outside. So if they pick Scherff (which if he's there, I would suspect) they can "hide" him at G with Richburg and Pugh bookending him his rookie year. This would be similar to Dallas' thinking last year with Martin. I just don't see them moving Pugh inside. And i've yet to hear that there is a better (unproven in NY's system) option at RT in FA.

Regarding your "Pugh is their Martin" comment - I would counter with "Scherff is their Martin."

Just my feeling at this point.

Now - that said - i wouldn't be completely surprised by the Cooper pick at #9 IF he's there.
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JonC : 2/26/2015 2:51 pm : link
I hear you, and perhaps the calculus changes if Scherff is their target at #9. I'd wager he'll be on the tier.
Sherff, like Martin, is a versatile OL prospect.  
BLUATHRT : 2/26/2015 2:53 pm : link
I agree Collins offers a similar versatility. Martin was talked about as being able to step in at any of the 5 OL positions and contribute immediately, but that his greatest potential was at G because of his ability as a technician and to get to the 2nd level of the D. Scherff played LT because he was Iowa's best lineman and had the feet, athleticism and technical ability to do so. Scouts are saying similar things about his ability to translate that to G or RT in the NFL...that he may be a very good T, but has the potential to be a perennial all-pro at G. To me, you don't need the player to be a T to justify the 9th pick if he fits the mold described above...I wouldn't have passed on Faneca,Shields, Hutchinson or Martin if given the option, regardless of the spot or position they play.
Scherff  
BLUATHRT : 2/26/2015 2:54 pm : link
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Could only see this happening if they don't land a FA OL  
Watson : 2/26/2015 2:56 pm : link
they feel really confident about. I suppose it's always possible, the Giants get out bid.
Jon  
B in ALB : 2/26/2015 2:59 pm : link
And Scherff offers a potential replacement in two years for Beatty.

Think about that stability at the Tackle positions. Two young guys bookending at least one really solid Guard and what we project to be a success at C with Richburg.

Sign me up for that.
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JonC : 2/26/2015 3:00 pm : link
I haven't read and heard much speculation about Scherff playing LT at the next level, have you heard otherwise?
If Cooper is there  
giantgiantfan : 2/26/2015 3:01 pm : link
and you believe in him (which most do), you take him and address the line somewhere in round 2, 3, or 4. Of course the line should have been addressed going into the draft so you're looking for a guy who can be good G or RT depth in his rookie year after Round 1.
In that scenario  
Torrag : 2/26/2015 3:03 pm : link
I'd try and swap with the Rams in that scenario. They need an impact WR and if they favor Cooper over the other options could be interested. A 4th rounder would be a solid asset to add to the offseason arsenal. Then we take Scherff #10.
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B in ALB : 2/26/2015 3:07 pm : link
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I haven't read and heard much speculation about Scherff playing LT at the next level, have you heard otherwise?


No. But the point is that it's gotta be a variable if he excels. He's not a pro LT now. But give him two years in the organization and he could be the anchor.
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JonC : 2/26/2015 3:09 pm : link
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I haven't read and heard much speculation about Scherff playing LT at the next level, have you heard otherwise?



No. But the point is that it's gotta be a variable if he excels. He's not a pro LT now. But give him two years in the organization and he could be the anchor.


If NYG projects him to LT (or even RT), I can get onboard.
all these mocks that have Cooper there at #9 are nuts  
Stu11 : 2/26/2015 3:10 pm : link
no way in hell 8 teams pass on him.
We're  
AcidTest : 2/26/2015 3:11 pm : link
not taking Scherff over Cooper.
if the Jets don't trade up to nab a qb  
B in ALB : 2/26/2015 3:20 pm : link
I have them taking Cooper three picks before the Giants.

Then it's between Gregory, Collins and Scherff. I'd be fine with the latter two.
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Amtoft : 2/26/2015 3:21 pm : link
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if given a "playmaker or a guard", he's picking the playmaker. At #9 overall, with a premium WR staring you in the face, I don't think need is a big factor for NYG.



And that "guard" was Zach Martin, who had FAR superior tape to any of the o-linemen available this year. In addition, Reese has been consistent in saying that he's not counting on Victor Cruz.



Zach Martin's tape wasn't better than any o-lineman in this draft. He was an excellent player at Notre Dame with versatility to transition to any position on the O-Line. His versatility was the value, but he didn't present far superior tape or play to Scherff.



I actually like Scherff and think he presents the highest upside of any of the LT prospects, but the idea that he was superior to Zach Martin during their senior seasons is laughable. The OL with the most dominant tape in this draft is... La'el Collins. JMO.


I lik Scherff and Collins both better than Martin last year. I liked Martin, but think these coming out look better to me. Now will they end up being better? Probably not, but then I like Cooper more than OBJ coming out this year and will he be better than OBJ? Probably not.

You can't judge a player by what they did in the NFL to players that haven't. Coming out Martin wasn't any better than Collins or Scherff.
If we  
PaulN : 2/26/2015 3:23 pm : link
Passed on Cooper for Scherff I would be stunned, first this would go against what Reese has done in the past, and second this is not a left tackle we would be grabbing, I know he can play the position, but like Martin from last season, he is a plug and play guard, and would be a very good one, left tackle is a question mark, and I would never draft a guard at # 9 when you have a player like Cooper there. Could you imagine if Cruz is healthy and we did end up with Cooper, now that is a very scary scenario for anyone in the NFL East.
RE: If we  
Amtoft : 2/26/2015 3:31 pm : link
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Passed on Cooper for Scherff I would be stunned, first this would go against what Reese has done in the past, and second this is not a left tackle we would be grabbing, I know he can play the position, but like Martin from last season, he is a plug and play guard, and would be a very good one, left tackle is a question mark, and I would never draft a guard at # 9 when you have a player like Cooper there. Could you imagine if Cruz is healthy and we did end up with Cooper, now that is a very scary scenario for anyone in the NFL East.


Wait so with the 9th pick in the draft you wouldn't take an all pro guard? For example Martin was an all pro as a rookie last year at RG... You wouldn't trade the 9th pick for Martin?
It'd be a dream scenario if Mariota fell to us  
rebel yell : 2/26/2015 3:32 pm : link
and we rammed it up the Eagles' ass by trading down with another team...assuming the Eagles want him. Everything I've heard is that they do.
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David in LA : 2/26/2015 3:36 pm : link
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Passed on Cooper for Scherff I would be stunned, first this would go against what Reese has done in the past, and second this is not a left tackle we would be grabbing, I know he can play the position, but like Martin from last season, he is a plug and play guard, and would be a very good one, left tackle is a question mark, and I would never draft a guard at # 9 when you have a player like Cooper there. Could you imagine if Cruz is healthy and we did end up with Cooper, now that is a very scary scenario for anyone in the NFL East.



Wait so with the 9th pick in the draft you wouldn't take an all pro guard? For example Martin was an all pro as a rookie last year at RG... You wouldn't trade the 9th pick for Martin?


If Cooper is there, there's no way I'm making a trade for a G, even if he is an all pro.
I like Cooper a lot...  
Dunedin81 : 2/26/2015 3:39 pm : link
but I'm not sure it's so clear-cut. If Cruz is back at near-full speed (big if) they're in decent shape at the position. Sliding an All Pro in anywhere on the line would go a long way toward maintaining Eli's health and effectiveness and establishing some balance between the passing and the run. If Scherff is Martin Part Deux and they think Cooper is a good but maybe sub-elite WR prospect it's a harder decision.
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Reb8thVA : 2/26/2015 3:39 pm : link
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Need. Doesn't need become more of a deciding factor



No. You draft talent and all things being equal, with priority picks you draft priority positions. For the Giants it's (QB), WR, DL, DB.



But what if the Giants view Scherff as an LT?



No one is saying that. No one. And the Giants have said repeatedly it's the "Blue Goose" they're after. What? They're the only ones who see that. That's more "what if" than is reasonable.


It must be so nice to go through life so assured. As for no one talking about Scherff playing LT I beg to differ. That fact that there is a debate amongst NFL talent evaluators about what his position is means that "someone" is talking about it.
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chris r : 2/26/2015 3:43 pm : link
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I haven't read and heard much speculation about Scherff playing LT at the next level, have you heard otherwise?



No. But the point is that it's gotta be a variable if he excels. He's not a pro LT now. But give him two years in the organization and he could be the anchor.


There's a lot of questions about his lateral agility. I don't think LT is an option.

And even if they draft Scherff, it doesn't mean he ends up at guard.

On paper I'd rather have him mauling people at RT and Pugh being the agile, pulling LG like Seubert.
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Amtoft : 2/26/2015 3:44 pm : link
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Passed on Cooper for Scherff I would be stunned, first this would go against what Reese has done in the past, and second this is not a left tackle we would be grabbing, I know he can play the position, but like Martin from last season, he is a plug and play guard, and would be a very good one, left tackle is a question mark, and I would never draft a guard at # 9 when you have a player like Cooper there. Could you imagine if Cruz is healthy and we did end up with Cooper, now that is a very scary scenario for anyone in the NFL East.



Wait so with the 9th pick in the draft you wouldn't take an all pro guard? For example Martin was an all pro as a rookie last year at RG... You wouldn't trade the 9th pick for Martin?



If Cooper is there, there's no way I'm making a trade for a G, even if he is an all pro.


I am honestly shocked. That is why we all have different opinions though. Wouldn't be fun if we all agreed... I would take the All pro OG over a chance Cooper would be a great #2 WR. What good it is to have 4 good WRs if you don't give your QB time to throw or can't run the ball. Can you imagine what an All Pro OG could do for this team.
If the Giants personnel department believes Scherff is a all pro guard  
Rick in Dallas : 2/26/2015 3:48 pm : link
they will draft him at number 9 IMHO. They have a franchise QB in his prime that needs to be protected and a poor running game that needs to be revived. Even over Cooper.
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B in ALB : 2/26/2015 3:52 pm : link
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I haven't read and heard much speculation about Scherff playing LT at the next level, have you heard otherwise?



No. But the point is that it's gotta be a variable if he excels. He's not a pro LT now. But give him two years in the organization and he could be the anchor.



There's a lot of questions about his lateral agility. I don't think LT is an option.

And even if they draft Scherff, it doesn't mean he ends up at guard.

On paper I'd rather have him mauling people at RT and Pugh being the agile, pulling LG like Seubert.


From what I've seen he's a bit tight in the hips and plays a bit back in his bucket step leading to too much weight on his heels. This leaves him open to speed rushers no doubt.

That said, to give him two years to develop a bit more quickness and flexibility year-round wouldn't put him out of the realm of possibility to move to LT. Sure a lot of things have to fall into place.

He projects as a G right now. A very good NFL guard.

I don't see him at either T spot at this point. And as I've said, Pugh is the RT and there is no reason to move him to G in their current situation.
RE: Let's see if Cooper is available  
OC2.0 : 2/26/2015 3:55 pm : link
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that would give the Giants a cost controlled dynamic duo for at least 3 years or 4 that would terrorize Defensive Coordinators or draft a fat tackle that might be a good guard? what to do?


Hahaha, you think?
RE: There's also  
OC2.0 : 2/26/2015 3:58 pm : link
In comment 12154190 I wanna be Torbor, sucka said:
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free agency. If the Giants add an Orlando Franklin / Bryan Bulaga type, I think the tackle talk quiets down. And the o-line will have been addressed except for depth. But the 9th pick is not where you add depth.


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RE: Let's see if Cooper is available  
Coach Mason : 2/26/2015 3:59 pm : link
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that would give the Giants a cost controlled dynamic duo for at least 3 years or 4 that would terrorize Defensive Coordinators or draft a fat tackle that might be a good guard? what to do?


You address the OL in FA, draft the blue-chip WR at 9, then draft another highly rated OL in rounds 2 or 3.
Yep  
Headhunter : 2/26/2015 4:06 pm : link
The Giants will be in a position going forward in future drafts to get Oline linemen drafting in the late 20's and hopefully in the 30's. They might not have a shot at an elite playmaker for the next decade. Take the WR
I hope we address an OL in FA  
ANGPASS : 2/26/2015 4:19 pm : link
I don't want to draft any of these OL at 9. the first OL would come off the board at 9 from us in most mocks. That's pretty doody compared to previous years. There has to be a road grader in FA we can get. Be able to run the ball and draft a play maker for the outside.
our O-line is a mess  
Torrag : 2/26/2015 4:24 pm : link
If it can be adequately addressed in free agency so be it. If it can't, and there are no guarantees in the open market, you fix it in the draft. Period. We must be able to establish a running game and allow Eli a clean enough pocket to operate.

Our defense is also a mess with personnel holes everywhere. There is only so much cap space for free agent activity.

Both these areas are in worse shape than WR on our roster imo. Just to put some perspective in place for those clamouring for a WR @ #9.
For the cooper fans  
#10* : 2/26/2015 4:34 pm : link
If we can't run the ball again cooper won't see much of the ball anyway. 3 & out.
the bottom line  
B in ALB : 2/26/2015 4:43 pm : link
is that the Giants will go BPA. Cooper is going to get snatched up at #6 unless a huge trade happens to move the Jets up for a QB. They do that and they still have no one to catch the ball on their roster. If Cooper is gone (which is the most likely scenario) - you pick the next best on the board. Which at this point looks to be Scherff.

I know you guys all want Cooper (and i'm certainly not against the pick if something crazy happens) but I'm afraid that is beyond wishful thinking.

And not to mention the fact that knowing the Jets - they are sick and tired of hearing about the Giants superstar WR - they want one of those too - if for no other reason to create some sort of bullshit rivalry between the two. But that's the Jets, folks. Fuckin weird.
DE  
mar_ar : 2/26/2015 5:07 pm : link
the key here is that you can get o-lineman in FA, and the giants have receivers. this is a draft with premium pass rushing talent and unless all of the top 4 or 5 guys are gone, i have no doubt the giants are taking a pass rusher at 9. do you think they want to pay 15 million for jpp? they know they dont have a choice, the position is too important and good players cost too much in free agency.
What are the odds of  
ANGPASS : 2/26/2015 5:09 pm : link
Either White or Cooper being there?

Is anyone worried both will be taken by the time we pick?
I really doubt both Cooper and White make it past the Jests.  
BlueLou : 2/26/2015 5:10 pm : link
Even if the Jets pass on Mariota!!
Def can live with Scherf at 9.  
BlueLou : 2/26/2015 5:11 pm : link
He should be a stud of a beast OL, wherever he plays...
RE: What are the odds of  
Coach Mason : 2/26/2015 5:12 pm : link
In comment 12154507 ANGPASS said:
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Either White or Cooper being there?

Is anyone worried both will be taken by the time we pick?


No b/c Parker is right there with them and may have the highest upside of the 3.
Shelton  
SMitch2 : 2/26/2015 6:58 pm : link
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If we don't land a starting OL in FA, we should take Scherff  
yatqb : 2/26/2015 7:13 pm : link
if he's available. He'd solidify the OL, and could play LG, RG or RT as a rookie.
Think  
TMS : 2/26/2015 8:24 pm : link
our success with how much difference a true top WR like OBJ can make in a teams offense will influence some teams to value them higher. Just mo. The top two will be gone before #9.
RE: For the cooper fans  
blueblood : 2/26/2015 9:30 pm : link
In comment 12154445 #10* said:
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If we can't run the ball again cooper won't see much of the ball anyway. 3 & out.


for some reason that didnt seem to stop OBJ from getting the ball a lot..
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