Greg Hardy vs JPP ? Discuss.

signed a 17M contract when he was drafted and he earned it all, so what was guaranteed out of that is irrelevant.

Maybe that's not generational money? Maybe it is, who knows.

But what's going to happen when he gets a 6 year 60M deal with 30M guaranteed.

Then he's going to get lazy? I don't question his motor, I question how he's used.

I'm no expert on athletes and their money, but I kind of think if he was going to get lazy it would have been when he signed for 16.8M.

His production has been up and down.......now, was it due to injuries, responsibities or lack of effort?,

as inconsistent. His run D has never wavered (IMO) and to me that's a sign of effort.

I hate to have him play on the FT, but it would be good to see what he does with Spags as the DC. If he can be creative with where JPP lines up and disguise things with him maybe he'll have more success.

But I don't like to question players effort without a coach or someone of authority doing it first and I haven't heard anyone do it with JPP (other than fans).

A big part of run defense is about effort, and he routinely runs plays down from behind if he has to.

JPP is on pace to beat out George Martin to be the player with the 7th most sacks for the Giants. If he has a monstrous season (think JJ Watt level sacks), he can actually pass Justin Tuck for 6th and even Keith Hamiltion for 5th.

JPP age 26: 42.5 sacks
Tuck at 26: 29 sacks
Strahan at 26: 32 sacks

In comment 12154819 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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JPP is on pace to beat out George Martin to be the player with the 7th most sacks for the Giants. If he has a monstrous season (think JJ Watt level sacks), he can actually pass Justin Tuck for 6th and even Keith Hamiltion for 5th. JPP age 26: 42.5 sacks Tuck at 26: 29 sacks Strahan at 26: 32 sacks

How many years had each been in the league? Age is misleading.

comparison will be better.

In 63 games, Greg Hardy has a total of 204 tackles. In 75 games JPP has 286. So how did you determine that Greg has a more consistent motor than JPP?

I view Hardy as the better player.....I have been disapointed by JPP....hell...the entire Giants defense have disapointed everyone and as our best player, JPP must take some of the blame.

15 sacks every year.

In comment 12154819 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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JPP is on pace to beat out George Martin to be the player with the 7th most sacks for the Giants. If he has a monstrous season (think JJ Watt level sacks), he can actually pass Justin Tuck for 6th and even Keith Hamiltion for 5th. JPP age 26: 42.5 sacks Tuck at 26: 29 sacks Strahan at 26: 32 sacks

THANK YOU.. Its like idiots think he should be getting 16.5 sacks every year..

Strahan has a 15 year career with the Giants.. you know how many times he had double digit sacks???

SIX... thats right SIX..

In comment 12154819 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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JPP is on pace to beat out George Martin to be the player with the 7th most sacks for the Giants. If he has a monstrous season (think JJ Watt level sacks), he can actually pass Justin Tuck for 6th and even Keith Hamiltion for 5th. JPP age 26: 42.5 sacks Tuck at 26: 29 sacks Strahan at 26: 32 sacks

It is more of a passing league now. Also, JPP's sack #'s got a prop this past year when he registered 3.5 sacks the 1st 11 games and registered 9 in the last 5. Was the surge due to scheme, effort or inferior O-line play?

concerned about JPP's back, that was when he looked weak, or average, when he was trying to get back into form. That was when He would get hurt bumping into blockers. I don't doubt his effort, I doubt his strength should his back injury become an issue again, and it will, its a matter of when, not if. I say let him play out his tag season and see how it goes, negotiate in the offseason. If he is chapped at not getting his dea and playing under the tagl, (and he played well enough to warrant a new contract) and he refuses to negotiate and wants to test the market instead, then tag him again. I know that is not the Giants way, they have too much respect for their players, but that is what I would do.
And Hardy seems like a healthier beast.

Hardy has been better than JPP.. But he comes with a lot of baggage... I doubt he is even an option for the Giants... I'll be happy with either... Both are really good...

In comment 12154716 George from PA said:

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His production has been up and down.......now, was it due to injuries, responsibities or lack of effort?,

Yes he has been inconsistent...but yes he has been battling serious injuries including a back issue...that probably took a year or more to heal fully...don't like people on this board bashing JPP...what they deserve is for the Giants to low ball him...watch him leave and sign with Dallas...then consistently rack up 13-20 sack seasons and terrorize the Giant O for years...F Greg Hardy he simple is not as good nor does he have the same upside as JPP...there is not a single DE in the league I Would rather have...anyone talking about lack of effort and check out JPP amazing TD saving goalie play...where he literally comes from the other side of the field and makes the TD saving play
JPP Goal Line Play RGIII - ( New Window )

Not a DE outside of Watt...I would rather have...excuse iPad autocorrect

What has he done to be a better player - He got 7 sacks the last 2 games of 2012 against 1st year LT's, 1 playing his second career game.

He gets praised for it - and JPP gets ripped for it.

Never have seen Hardy running to the opposite side of field to make a tackle or running down field to make a tackle

People have the unrealistic expectations for JPP. All people give a shit about is 16 sack season and if he does not do it again he is disappointing. Unreal

what metric people are using when they say "talent and production-wise" Hardy is better than JPP.

Seems to be a throwaway line that some use as if they are bolstering their argument. Show the stats.

Oh wait, Semipro did. Sort of debunks the idea.

In comment 12154835 bradshaw44 said:

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In comment 12154819 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: JPP is on pace to beat out George Martin to be the player with the 7th most sacks for the Giants. If he has a monstrous season (think JJ Watt level sacks), he can actually pass Justin Tuck for 6th and even Keith Hamiltion for 5th. JPP age 26: 42.5 sacks Tuck at 26: 29 sacks Strahan at 26: 32 sacks How many years had each been in the league? Age is misleading.

JPP: 5 years
Strahan: 5 years
Tuck: 5 years.

Strahan and Tuck both were 22 year old rookies. JPP played at 21.

and he stays out of trouble, so he's actually available to play football.

around here. Most of it comes down to unproven narratives (examples: he's dumb, he's lazy). I'd like to know where exactly that comes from.