Olineman failed to separate from each other at the combine, we signed Jones, and we really just have one hole which can be filled via free agency.
Kevin White probably goes before our pick now and Cooper could very well make it. Might be tempting to trade him to Rams or Brown for extra pick, but we JUST landed a top WR in Beckham. What are we going to do when it comes time to pay both? Who will be the #1 WR? No chance it's not anyone named Beckham so are we really using our only top 10 pick in a decade to take a # 2 WR?
We won our Super Bowls with the pass rush. And the cupboard is almost bare..
JPP is going to get franchised and could be on a one year rental deal (not sure if we could franchise him twice in a row). I hope we give him a long term deal though.
Kiwanuka was just cut.
Ayers is coming off of surgery.
Damontre Moore is very green an inexperienced. Is he ready to start opposite JPP?
Fowler Gregory Ray. I think one of them will be a Giant and our new DE. Have a feeling it's Gregory who seems to have been passed up by Fowler.
Could Reese shock the world and draft Vic Beasley??
His name has popped up in the top 15-20 in a couple places. I am personally not a fan with the other options on the board but we know how important investing in DE is in the draft for Gmen. Preston Smith could be a late riser too.
Gordon may have 'only' ran a 4.5 but when you flip on the tape he is routinely running away from DBs down the field on huge TD runs and is rarely caught from behind.
His lateral agility makes LBs look silly on the second level. His vision,burst and ability to fire through the smallest holes is outstanding.
One of the best Rbs to come out in years IMO.
The key is what does NYG want moving forward defensively. Do they want an edge defender who's more mobile, explosive, has more speed? Speed and AA are needed to combat modern spread offenses. If they're moving the paradigm in this direction, then Vic and Ray are options.
I think Parker will slip, and Gordon is only an option if the tier is basically empty at #9. imo.
Fowler is the 1 DE I would grab at 9. He has already played DE at a weight heavier than Dupree is and he is a much better player than Dupree is
Armstead is tall - great. He looked totally underwhelming in 2 games against big boy competition
If Fowler is gone get a DE later,
The key is what does NYG want moving forward defensively. Do they want an edge defender who's more mobile, explosive, has more speed? Speed and AA are needed to combat modern spread offenses. If they're moving the paradigm in this direction, then Vic and Ray are options.
I think Parker will slip, and Gordon is only an option if the tier is basically empty at #9. imo.
Well said. TC did make specific mention of Steve learning much since he left specifically referencing his time with the Ravens. That paradigm shift you speak of could come into play at 9. Vic Beasley to me could be one of the best pass rushing weapons available. Could have Von Miller like impact if utilized properly.
I don't love Dupree at #9. His film is very reminiscent of Ziggy Ansah, whom I also liked for NYG. Not at #9.
Also, I didn't like Moore in the draft and still don't think he'll be what his fans believe.
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IMO Dupree is the best bet to grow into a 4-3 DE, but at 9? Parker or Gordon or the best OL on their board, IMO.
Gordon may have 'only' ran a 4.5 but when you flip on the tape he is routinely running away from DBs down the field on huge TD runs and is rarely caught from behind.
His lateral agility makes LBs look silly on the second level. His vision,burst and ability to fire through the smallest holes is outstanding.
One of the best Rbs to come out in years IMO.
I thought Peat would be as well, but Colin had been hearing otherwise leading up to the Combines, so we'll have to wait it out on him.
Other than those two, I don't think OL will be in play at #9. I know Collins has many fans on BBI, but I don't believe NYG will view him as a significant upgrade over Pugh.
He has the ability and has played with the weight to do so. That fact that he played at that weight, to me, does not make him a 'tweener' I think teams see a guy who can get back to that weight or stay where he is.
I think he provides options and that is why I do not expect him to be there at 9 anyway
Vic Beasley Put on a Show at the Combine - ( New Window )
DT primarily with rotation in at DE on some run downs and short yardage situations.
The second best player dropped to #16.
The answer is "of course the 2nd best player might drop to #9."
And the 2nd or 3rd Best Player Defensive Rookie of the year Aaron Donald dropped to #13
Beasley is beastly. But may only fit here in a similiar role they envisioned for Sintim (DE/LB). He's too light to play exclusively with his hand in the dirt. Giants would have to believe he can be productive as a LB too i.e a modicum of coverage ability , ability to play in space, as well as read the flow of the play from second level and attack the right gap etc.
I am impressed with his fluidity,hips and c.o.d ability a whole lot more than I was Sintim and think he could potentially do it.
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Think he is clearly on tape one of the 2-3 best defensive players on tape in this year's draft...and was a college defensive player of the year candidate with huge production....the concern with Beasley is he is his size and that he is too small for DE...the combine proves he might be too small for DE..but he came in at 246 ran a phenomenal 4.53 and demonstrated that he has the movement skills to be an LB...and was outstanding in drills showing tremendous movement skills...the tape looks amongst the best available defensive players the combine looked even better...picking Beasley to me looks almost like a sure thing...almost like Aaron Donald last year...hope if he is available @9 Reece gives Beasley serious consideration Vic Beasley Put on a Show at the Combine - ( New Window )
Beasley is beastly. But may only fit here in a similiar role they envisioned for Sintim (DE/LB). He's too light to play exclusively with his hand in the dirt. Giants would have to believe he can be productive as a LB too i.e a modicum of coverage ability , ability to play in space, as well as read the flow of the play from second level and attack the right gap etc.
I am impressed with his fluidity,hips and c.o.d ability a whole lot more than I was Sintim and think he could potentially do it.
I totally agree with you if he shows the kind of lucidity in his private workouts to be what the Giants envisioned with OL/DE Sintum he should be the pick...Beasley is this year's Aaron Donald...the production is off the charts...and we are looking at an extremely fast player(running a 4.53 forty) that pound 4 pound might be amongst the strongest players in this year's draft...Beasley matched Donald's 35 bench press reps and is 40lbs lighter!!!
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In comment 12155778 geelabee said:
Fluidity not lucidity....sorry iPad autocorrect
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Think he is clearly on tape one of the 2-3 best defensive players on tape in this year's draft...and was a college defensive player of the year candidate with huge production....the concern with Beasley is he is his size and that he is too small for DE...the combine proves he might be too small for DE..but he came in at 246 ran a phenomenal 4.53 and demonstrated that he has the movement skills to be an LB...and was outstanding in drills showing tremendous movement skills...the tape looks amongst the best available defensive players the combine looked even better...picking Beasley to me looks almost like a sure thing...almost like Aaron Donald last year...hope if he is available @9 Reece gives Beasley serious consideration Vic Beasley Put on a Show at the Combine - ( New Window )
Beasley is beastly. But may only fit here in a similiar role they envisioned for Sintim (DE/LB). He's too light to play exclusively with his hand in the dirt. Giants would have to believe he can be productive as a LB too i.e a modicum of coverage ability , ability to play in space, as well as read the flow of the play from second level and attack the right gap etc.
I am impressed with his fluidity,hips and c.o.d ability a whole lot more than I was Sintim and think he could potentially do it.
I totally agree with you if he shows the kind of lucidity in his private workouts to be what the Giants envisioned with OL/DE Sintum he should be the pick...Beasley is this year's Aaron Donald...the production is off the charts...and we are looking at an extremely fast player(running a 4.53 forty) that pound 4 pound might be amongst the strongest players in this year's draft...Beasley matched Donald's 35 bench press reps and is 40lbs lighter!!!
Armstead has the size and potential Giants drool over but I don't want him and his triangle numbers weren't nearly as good as JJ Watt or JPP (hoping the Giants don't take the risk).
Bluelou I am hot for Beasley because of the tape...it looks like Donald's tape last year...the best tape of any defensive player in this year's draft...just like Donald last year...the kid can flat out play...runs a 4.53...strongest defensive player lb for lb in this draft...and the combine proves he is fluid and plays in space...I see Beasley as a 250lb Von Miller type stud LB
p.s.-- There are a bunch of wide receivers in my short lists for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds.
DT is also in play but I'm not a Shelton guy and don't see value for #9.
If that doesn't materialize I'd look to O-Line as the next priority. There are a number of possibilities it simply depends on how the Giants rate them. To me Scherff is the only legit Top 10 prospect.
WR would be the final position of note for us picking #9. I expect Cooper and White to be major threats. I have both as high floor-high ceiling types.
This analysis will be effected by our ability to make inroads toward addressing our roster deficiencies in Free Agency.