Of which this is one of them is there any doubt that this lady needs to go to federal pen to live out the rest of her days.
Not trying to be political in this thread but a corrupt IRS is a problem for everybody depending on who is in office at the time. I hope this proves that a move to a fair tax and repeal of the 16th amendment is hopefully in our futures.
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Isn't there like six different investigations into this? Seems like a lot.
He said "the press".
In that respect, it's a where's waldo type of thing
Yeah but that doesn't make sense as you're getting more press here than the Watergate investigation did. Two young reporters followed that story while everyone else ignored it.
Convict your Liddy and McCord and I'm sure you'll get a ton of press.
What scandals are you talking about? What exactly have they been proven to be doing wrong in this vast quantity of scandals you mention?
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Isn't there like six different investigations into this? Seems like a lot.
He said "the press".
In that respect, it's a where's waldo type of thing
Yeah but that doesn't make sense as you're getting more press here than the Watergate investigation did. Two young reporters followed that story while everyone else ignored it.
Convict your Liddy and McCord and I'm sure you'll get a ton of press.
Once it got to the point of Congressional committees it got substantially more coverage (live on all 3 major networks for a week - see my post above) than this has. Now there is no guarantee that this leads to the Oval Office, but neither had Watergate when the committee investigations began. Yes, Woodward and Bernstein were by themselves for a while, but not after the equivalent of Lois Lerner's planted question.
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Isn't there like six different investigations into this? Seems like a lot.
He said "the press".
In that respect, it's a where's waldo type of thing
Yeah but that doesn't make sense as you're getting more press here than the Watergate investigation did. Two young reporters followed that story while everyone else ignored it.
Convict your Liddy and McCord and I'm sure you'll get a ton of press.
You think Eric Holder, who is in contempt of congress himself, is going to move forward with any investigation?
But we are told to believe that the IRS has nothing to hide which is why they've slow rolled this thing for close to two years. They've obstructed, lied and several key players have taken the fifth in something that is supposed to be phony. They lied about what happened, they lied about who was involved, they lied about how long it was going on, they lied about the emails, they lied about the back-ups, they covered up the sudden rash of selective hard drive crashes that only effected the people being investigated.
Yea, nothing to see here. Hell, the President even lied about it "not a smidgen".
Imagine this would have been resolved close to a year ago only if the administration, the IRS and the DOJ cooperated with the will of the people's house. But instead of helping, they obstruct simple oversight investigations into government enforcement agencies that denied due process to groups of citizens, the result of said obstructionism lead to a enormous waste of valuable time and taxpayer money.
All the while the media disparages citizens and belittles the effort to get to the bottom of what could have been the largest government led voter suppression effort in modern times.
Yea, nothing to see.
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Isn't there like six different investigations into this? Seems like a lot.
He said "the press".
In that respect, it's a where's waldo type of thing
Yeah but that doesn't make sense as you're getting more press here than the Watergate investigation did. Two young reporters followed that story while everyone else ignored it.
Convict your Liddy and McCord and I'm sure you'll get a ton of press.
with the entire administration obstructing the investigation (as they also have done with Benghazi) that has been hard to do.
And if it does the network news shows may be able to tuck a quick summary between llama and dress color stories.
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...turns out to be much of anything. With the numerous investigations we should find out.
And if it does the network news shows may be able to tuck a quick summary between llama and dress color stories.
lol that was awesome.
Has any Congressional committee investigated the birth certificate?
Guess what?
Nothing.
But don't give up. We need MORE Benghazi investigations.
Republican-led report debunks Benghazi theories and accusations - ( New Window )
I wasn't replying to you. I was replying to shabadoo.
While IRS did work out to be much ado about nothing once it was realized that BOTH Conservative and Liberal organizations alike were being singled out similarly, and that some of the PAC's WERE acting unscrupulously - Lerner's actions were reprehensible, questionable and she should have stepped down immediately.
But it doesn't change the end result of the scandal, doesn't change the fact that the initial post of this thread proves nothing. (She well may have destroyed data, but that e-mail line doesn't prove that)
Definitely wrong that both liberal and conservative groups were targeted specifically. Sure one or two liberal groups may have been denied tax-free status. But Conservative groups were targeted because they were Conservative groups.
ok a few things here...
Lerner said her hard drive crashed and all of her e-mails were lost. The commissioner said he their IT dept could not retrieve those e-mails. This week, the IT dept testified that nobody asked them to even look for the e-mails. They had no problem producing them.
The smoking gun? I don't know. Why lie about the e-mails if there is nothing to hide? However, the real smoking gun (if it exists) would reside in the content of those e-mails. I suppose someone is going through them right now.
God forbid that happens. I'm someone you'd think would be inclined to support her as far as which side I take politically, but I think she's awful.
As far as this case goes, I don't know a whole lot about it. Did someone deny backup tapes existed, and then they were found, but data was never recovered from them? If so there's a highly possible explanation for that (and maybe even for why their existence wasn't admitted to): people who are in charge of backups fuck up all the time, and backing up to tape -- especially email databases -- sucks ass and is incredibly error prone. I read some alarming statistic some time ago about how many large restore attempts from tape backups fail. I can't remember the exact number, but it was near half.
Sometimes it's a conspiracy, but just as (or more) often, it's just incompetence or woefully archaic hardware/practices.
There were reasons why power was meant to be restrained. It must always be if you value freedom.
Why? I'll bet she's more like GW than Obama.
This is one of those few accusations that actually seems to have teeth. Whether you like it or not, the politicization of tax collection is a serious issue.
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And currently they are already pretty humorous.
This is one of those few accusations that actually seems to have teeth. Whether you like it or not, the politicization of tax collection is a serious issue.
How many times now has this been investigated and looked into?
Which ones vs Bush were nonsensical?
So if this is found out to be nothing like the 0ther 5-6 investigations into this are we done then?
How many times now has this been investigated and looked into?
Well, actually never. How can you fully investigate when the IRS had refused to turn over the evidence? Oh, and of course there was an internal investigation where they investigated themselves.
I agree that this thing has dragged on and it is hearing after hearing but until now nobody was complying with the directive to provide the information requested to complete the investigation.
profiling is not for the tea party. even though the inspector general conceded the flagged groups had "indications of significant political campaign intervention"
look, the irs shouldn't used as a weapon. but, i completely support making sure these tax free organization follow the law.
Seriously, have any of you actually paid attention to the evidence in this case? The IRS came up with a perfectly appropriate shorthand way to identify organizations that should be looked at for taking an inappropriate tax deduction. Do you think that an organization with Tea Party in its name might, just might, be involved in politics? And contrary to Issa's claims, they did NOT target only conservative organizations, as Cummings pointed out repeatedly during the hearings. The whole thing is utter bullshit. And the committee had plenty of evidence to look at. And found nothing. Do you realize what Darrell Issa is? I'll help you out: he's a liar and a demagogue who has no peer in current US politics. And if you really want a treat, read up on his past.
profiling is not for the tea party. even though the inspector general conceded the flagged groups had "indications of significant political campaign intervention"
look, the irs shouldn't used as a weapon. but, i completely support making sure these tax free organization follow the law.
Partisan bullshit. If everyone was getting the same scrutiny it would be a non-issue, but they're not.
a mistake was made. and it is over. there is no evidence of some vast conspiracy. i believe it is now 6 investigations that have concluded that.
Seriously, have any of you actually paid attention to the evidence in this case? The IRS came up with a perfectly appropriate shorthand way to identify organizations that should be looked at for taking an inappropriate tax deduction. Do you think that an organization with Tea Party in its name might, just might, be involved in politics? And contrary to Issa's claims, they did NOT target only conservative organizations, as Cummings pointed out repeatedly during the hearings. The whole thing is utter bullshit. And the committee had plenty of evidence to look at. And found nothing. Do you realize what Darrell Issa is? I'll help you out: he's a liar and a demagogue who has no peer in current US politics. And if you really want a treat, read up on his past.
A handful of progressive groups received additional scrutiny and then approval, versus years-long delays experienced by Tea Party groups. When a senior civil servant speaking on behalf of an Administration that ran on transparency invokes the Fifth Amendment, pretending that there is "nothing to see here" just doesn't cut it. And the additional annoying feature of this bullshit is that the paranoids that organize or join these groups can now point to an instance where they were actually discriminated against as proof of their rectitude.
a mistake was made. and it is over. there is no evidence of some vast conspiracy. i believe it is now 6 investigations that have concluded that.
It wasn't a mistake. It was intentional.
Yeah that is taking something to the absurdity level. A couple of my best friends are staunch Conservatives that we all enjoy talking about politics without it getting stupid. But these guys read-up on what they discuss and never pull asinine talking point BS into it.