NFT: Knicks Chat: Jackson faces fines for comment on Russel

for that? Its not like he is property of another team. Ridiculous.

absolutely nothing goes right for (or is done right by) this organization

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Let's fast forward to the draft lottery, please.

In comment 12155350 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:

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for that? Its not like he is property of another team. Ridiculous.

Is this a serious post? A NBA executive is commenting on a collegiate player who hasn't even declared for the draft. Jackson doesn't seem to know much about how to run a team.

becuse he commented on a college player, that says to oyu he doesnt know how to run a team? taking a little bit of leap there dont you think/?

In comment 12155394 nygiants16 said:

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becuse he commented on a college player, that says to oyu he doesnt know how to run a team? taking a little bit of leap there dont you think/?

No. It's the first thing I hear all GMs say when asked to comment on a college player during the college season. His other moves this past year just back up the point.

it's the Brandon Rush controversy all over again! (not really)

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It's utterly meaningless.

David Ortiz wouldn't last 2 seconds in that league with his Tony Montana impersonation.

"Well I hit da fuckin ball with the bat and da fuckin guy..."

In comment 12155468 ghost718 said:

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David Ortiz wouldn't last 2 seconds in that league with his Tony Montana impersonation. "Well I hit da fuckin ball with the bat and da fuckin guy..."

Sounds more like Boom Boom Geoffrion

talk about your big who cares. Are people really condemning Jacksons ability based on this. Ill second what TTH said. seems dead on to me.

are rumored to love Mudiay. So let's hope we pick 1st, Sixers pick 3rd and we pick up an asset wooo!

Daniel Wexler ‏@WexlerRules 2m2 minutes ago

@Sam_Vecenie Sam, any precedent to a guy of Okafor's current defense improving to even average or close? Thanks.
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Sam Vecenie ‏@Sam_Vecenie 43s43 seconds ago

@WexlerRules think Cousins is a good example. He�s fine on D now.

but if you have to say "his defense is fine when he makes effort", that just doesn't sound like a 1st overall draft pick.

Towns will be considered the number 1 pick and this is coming from someone who love Okafor and hated Towns becuase i didnt want a project on this team...

The fact that towns has improved as the season has gone on is a very good sign on what kind of prospect he is..

In comment 12155798 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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but if you have to say "his defense is fine when he makes effort", that just doesn't sound like a 1st overall draft pick.

In fairness, (and I'm open to whomever they deem #1) he's just saying since he's the entire offense it's hard to be 100% effort on defense. That's true of every player. Only so much energy a guy has.

than any Knick draftee in a long, long time.

was never anywhere near as bad as Okafor in college on defense. He had some mental lapses at times but he played solid defense at times for Kentucky.

Okafor can't even stay on the floor in late game defensive situations, they take him off for Amile Jefferson

in nba potential of those 3. I know little about mudiay so not including him- but seems raw

Kyle Tucker @KyleTucker_CJ � 11m 11 minutes ago
Phil Jackson is here for UK practice.

So i guess Isola was wrong about Jackson recruiting..shocker

In comment 12155815 nygiants16 said:

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Towns will be considered the number 1 pick and this is coming from someone who love Okafor and hated Towns becuase i didnt want a project on this team... The fact that towns has improved as the season has gone on is a very good sign on what kind of prospect he is..

A franchise player almost has to be a 2 way player that is at least a decent defender. I'm leaning Russel and Towns over Okafor at this point.

In comment 12155848 Coach Mason said:

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In comment 12155815 nygiants16 said: Quote: Towns will be considered the number 1 pick and this is coming from someone who love Okafor and hated Towns becuase i didnt want a project on this team... The fact that towns has improved as the season has gone on is a very good sign on what kind of prospect he is.. A franchise player almost has to be a 2 way player that is at least a decent defender. I'm leaning Russel and Towns over Okafor at this point.

Not every franchise playre is a 2 way player...

be a passable player on both ends of the floor to be a franchise player.

you can not hide bad defensive centers.

an Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago
Multiple teams complained to NBA regarding Phil Jackson's comments about D'Angelo Russell. They are investigating, as Yahoo! 1st reported.

All because he said he is a nice looking player? what is the harm in that?

in the hell is there to investigate? He said it, slap him with a fine and move on.

In comment 12155886 MookGiants said:

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be a passable player on both ends of the floor to be a franchise player.

Perhaps what I see as a franchise player is different. Kevin Love for example. He may score alot and rebound but he also gives up alot on the other end.

I mean how is a guy a 'franchise' player if he score 25 but routinely gives up roughly 20 on the other end? Those players generally don't win you championships without covering up their decencies in some way.

Franchise to me are the Shaqs,Duncans,Kobes,Jordans,LeBron's of the world. Guys who are excellent on both sides of the floor. I'd even strectch it to a Melo for sake of argument as he can at least play some defense.

is 100% not a franchise player. If he's your best player you are going no where.

hard to define exactly what a franchise player is. I tend to agree that it's a great all-around player but you can look at someone like Dikembe Mutombo and say he was a franchise player and he wasn't a scorer. Also plenty of scorers have been considered franchise players when they weren't good defensive players (i.e. Larry Bird).

In comment 12155890 nygiants16 said:

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an Begley �@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago Multiple teams complained to NBA regarding Phil Jackson's comments about D'Angelo Russell. They are investigating, as Yahoo! 1st reported. All because he said he is a nice looking player? what is the harm in that?

Phil Jackson knows about good looking players. He coached Rick Fox for goodness sakes. He could have been talking about how hansom Russell was

In comment 12155959 EricNY33 said:

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hard to define exactly what a franchise player is. I tend to agree that it's a great all-around player but you can look at someone like Dikembe Mutombo and say he was a franchise player and he wasn't a scorer. Also plenty of scorers have been considered franchise players when they weren't good defensive players (i.e. Larry Bird).

Funny thing is thanks to the era he played in nobody talks about Mutombo, however if he were available now he would be BY FAR the consensus #1 pick and it wouldn't even be close.

Dan. Mutombo would be a lock to go #1 in this draft.

of great centers. These days there are no great centers so he would be much more of a commodity.

As for franchise players the guys Mason lists are like greatest of all time. You cant expect every number 1 pick to be a Shaq, Duncan, kobe, lebron, etc...

A franchise player has to be at least a great offensive player and a borderline avg defender. Very few players these days are elite offensive and defensive players. Lebron, Davis (not really elite offense), ???

In comment 12156061 Italianju said:

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of great centers. These days there are no great centers so he would be much more of a commodity. As for franchise players the guys Mason lists are like greatest of all time. You cant expect every number 1 pick to be a Shaq, Duncan, kobe, lebron, etc... A franchise player has to be at least a great offensive player and a borderline avg defender. Very few players these days are elite offensive and defensive players. Lebron, Davis (not really elite offense), ???

Flip side is Mutombo put up the numbers he did vs. great centers. 12 and 12 with 3.4 blocks for a decade.

In comment 12155978 Semipro Lineman said:

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In comment 12155890 nygiants16 said: Quote: an Begley �@IanBegley 1m1 minute ago Multiple teams complained to NBA regarding Phil Jackson's comments about D'Angelo Russell. They are investigating, as Yahoo! 1st reported. All because he said he is a nice looking player? what is the harm in that? Phil Jackson knows about good looking players. He coached Rick Fox for goodness sakes. He could have been talking about how hansom Russell was

lol

The guy that runs the knicks blog claims sources tell him butler is very interested in signing with knicks but bulls plan to match any contract

In comment 12155959 EricNY33 said:

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hard to define exactly what a franchise player is. I tend to agree that it's a great all-around player but you can look at someone like Dikembe Mutombo and say he was a franchise player and he wasn't a scorer. Also plenty of scorers have been considered franchise players when they weren't good defensive players (i.e. Larry Bird).

Well said. It's usually a two-way player but there are exceptions especially when someone is a gamechanger in one aspect of the game like Mutombo was.

FWIW, Bird was on the ALL-NBA defense team 2x. He was great at disrupting the pass lanes and was a solid help defender. He certainly had some deficiencies but he was so exceptional at so many other things that I would have no problem calling him a franchise level player.

Butler walk but they are over 60 mill already next year. If I had to guess At worst they will s&t him