Momentum pointing toward Eagles going hard for Mariota

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if only because I'd expect the Eagles to make the same offer to #10 to acquire Mariota. So we might as well get something for it.

In comment 12155792 DanMetroMan said:

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think what is happening now is teams are getting very skittish about how crappy the QB position is around the league and let's face is... teams with bad qb's, mediocre qb's don't compete for SB 99% of the time. The big question I have for BBI.... In an almost impossible scenario where Mariota fell to #9 and the Eagles offered the Giants Their #1, #2, #3, #4 this year and #1 next year... would you guys have the balls to pull off the trade knowing you MAY have traded a 15 year superstar to the Eagles. I do it.

I would definitely do it, but this is the deal I want: 2015 #1, 2016 #1, 2016 #3, and Fletcher Cox.

So Chip takes a SB ready team to a first round playoff loss in year one to the road-horrible Saints, no playoffs last year and then a potential franchise burning trade for a smallish, program QB that will be fodder for the bigger and faster NFL defenses?

Maybe Chip is a Giants fan after all!

be the Redskins at pick number five.

In comment 12155853 GiantBlue said:

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So Chip takes a SB ready team to a first round playoff loss in year one to the road-horrible Saints, no playoffs last year and then a potential franchise burning trade for a smallish, program QB that will be fodder for the bigger and faster NFL defenses? Maybe Chip is a Giants fan after all!

SB ready team? Didnt they go 4-12 the year before he came? 8-8 the year before that? They've went 10-6 both years Kelly was there without having a top 15 QB.

and someone like Fletcher Cox to get up to say pick 9 and than putting a package together to trade up again to get their man. The first trade would happen before draft day.

Anything is possible and Mariota could get hurt too, but let's not forget that RG3 was excellent as a rookie, the Redskins were in the playoffs, and then he got hurt against a tough Seahawks D. The injury was one that takes up to a full year to come back from 100% both physically and mentally.

To further that, the coach that was supposed to be a QB guru and RG3s biggest backer was run out of town and then he got a guy that literally throws him under the bus at every opportunity in Jay Gruden.

With health, Mariota will have Chip Kelly - who made Sanchez look decent for a few games - as his champion. Kelly will not be ousted any time soon, he just got all of that new found power.

I think it's foolish to compare the two situations and write it off as a franchise ruining move. It wasn't long ago that there were a LOT of questions circling the Eli trade.

situation, you had a one-year bump following by continued losing seasons because the trade sapped the depth from the team.

For a trade giving up significant picks to work, Mariota must stay healthy and the Eagles must make a run this year. That is a lot to ask or expect.

In comment 12155781 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is never a smart trade to mortgage almost an entire draft class or top picks across multiple years. Name one instance where giving up a bunch of picks actually paid dividends. Keep in mind, this trade would be at least twice the magnitude of the eli deal and probably somewhere in the 3 times the number of pick range..

Eli Manning?

In comment 12155823 Milton said:

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If Kelly is hellbent on trading up for Mariota, he's not going to wait until he gets to the sixth spot let alone the ninth spot. He is going to try to get into the #2 position. And that's assuming Winston goes #1 and not Mariota.

He czn try it, but it don't mean he's gonna get it. Giants gave up quite a bit to move up from #4 to get Manning.I don't know they have the leverage to do that starting from #20 spot.Either way, of all the teams they may give away the farm to, I doubt they are willing to give it to the NY Football Giants.

In comment 12155898 Great White Ghost said:

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In comment 12155781 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: is never a smart trade to mortgage almost an entire draft class or top picks across multiple years. Name one instance where giving up a bunch of picks actually paid dividends. Keep in mind, this trade would be at least twice the magnitude of the eli deal and probably somewhere in the 3 times the number of pick range.. Eli Manning?

What the Giants gave up for Eli will look like pennies compared to what it would take the Eagles to jump up into the top 10 for this.

but if he is, I'd love to trade #9 to Philly for most of their picks this year and their #1 and #2 or so next year

In his mocks has the Eagles trading with the Raiders and has McCoy involved in the trade.

In comment 12155923 geemanfan said:

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In his mocks has the Eagles trading with the Raiders and has McCoy involved in the trade.

I can't see how that is realistic at his salary.

please.

that offense looked dynamic for much of last season with a mediocre Nick Foles and then with Mark Fucking Sanchez under center. Buttfumble. Maybe Mariota turns into RGIII Season 2, or maybe Chip Kelly isn't a self-serving shit like Shanahan and figures out how to balance career development and not getting his QB killed. Without question, if this goes south it could set that franchise back for four or five years easy. But if it doesn't, you have a potential franchise QB going to a team that is close and as usual in a favorable cap situation.

Maybe Mariotta is a little bit of a surer prospect, but these trade-ups are oh-so-risky. For example, Atlanta's getting Julio Jones in 2011. Jones is obviously a superb player and yet the trade-up marks the beginning of the franchise's slide from a leading team into the lower depths.

What's interesting about the Giants trade-up for Eli is that the team FO - and specifically Reese - responded with a superb draft day in 2005 when they were shorn of their 1st rounder. A trade like that handicaps your drafting for a period of time so the GM has to up his game to maintain competitiveness.

Kelly getting Mariota is big trouble for the rest of the NFC East. Hope it does not happen period.

agree 100%. I'm not sure why anyone would want this.

if that happens then Steve Serby will be all frowny-face becuse he's been lobbying for the Jets to do what it takes to grab him for months now

every NFL coach who just left college is automatically linked to his star college QB when the later becomes draft eligible.

their cap flexibility will be diminished. Even Foles would command a fair amount on the open market. If they have Mariota for the next several years on a rookie salary scale, their ability to improve the team via FA will be pretty substantial. Maybe this blows up in their face, it's a strong possibility, but Kelly has looked pretty good trotting out QBs that were imperfect fits for his system. Give him Mariota, a QB used to playing his style and with a skill set well suited for it, and that offense could be very dangerous.

since the end of the season has made be believe that Kelly will pay almost any price to get Mariota.

of that magnitude is that even if it works, they will neglect other holes and rebuilding via the draft. So within MM's window, they may not have a great supporting cast.

And if it doesn't work (and let's face it--"working" means MM has to win them a lot of games) they could be in the basement for several years. Which is nice.

Unless the trade up was with us.

Chip Kelly, running an offense he has excelled at. If the Eagles send that boatload of picks to the Redskins in a trade it could mean double-trouble for the Giants.

shit into gold at the position, is going to trade the farm to get a QB?

It would seem to me that would be an admission that maybe Kelly isn't all that to begin with.

Trade will deplete eagles depth.
MM is not a franchise QB.
His best shot is with Chip Kelly, but I don't see it being great.

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What's interesting about the Giants trade-up for Eli is that the team FO - and specifically Reese - responded with a superb draft day in 2005 when they were short of their 1st rounder.

Excellent point! With only 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th round picks, the Giants managed to have a draft that would be the envy of teams with a full slate (and picking early in each round).

the Giants absolutely need to go Rams on him every single time they face each other. Make MM hate to play the Giants. Do to him what the Giants used to do to Tony Romo. Smash him...at all costs. F' the Eagles and F' their fans.

- Dan Snyder

Mariota.
Make Philly buy the #1 spot.
If I am Tampa or Tenn. I am telling anyone that will listen they are drafting him. Make Philly give up the house.
Also tell everyone the Rams are trying to move up.

Kelly may be right.

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Think TMS : 3:34 pm : link : reply Kelly getting Mariota is big trouble for the rest of the NFC East. Hope it does not happen period. TMS aimrocky : 3:36 pm : link : reply agree 100%. I'm not sure why anyone would want this.

The odds of a massive lopsided trade leading to long-term success are so small vs. the probability for failure. Even short term success can be a mirage. Just look at Washington. The first year of the RGIII trade everyone thought they found gold. Then the injury left him a shell and the team has had two horrific seasons.

The cost of Mariota will likely mean a lack of depth across the board in a couple of years, and Mariota is not even considered a sure-fire prospect.

In comment 12156136 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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The odds of a massive lopsided trade leading to long-term success are so small vs. the probability for failure.

This here about sums it up.

... but as pointed out earlier, they followed it up with an incredible 2005 offseason and later a great 2007 draft. The Eli debt, so to speak, was also paid off after that '05 offseason. Moreover, the Giants only moved from #4 to #1. A big jump, but not nearly as much as it will take for the Eagles to move up to get Mariota, especially in this age with capped rookie salaries, meaning 1st rounders are more valuable now than they were in 2004.

Mariota is obviously a great fit for Kelly's system, but what happens if the league catches up to it? What happens if that OL of theirs suddenly gets old? (Herremans is already out of there). I think the price to get MM will be staggering (I'm thinking their entire 2015 draft, their 2016 #1, and some combination of a 2016 #2, #3, and 2017 #1) but that being said, these are the Eagles. The same team that convinced GMs that AJ Feely was worth a #2. They might get a sweetheart deal.

In comment 12155923 geemanfan said:

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In his mocks has the Eagles trading with the Raiders and has McCoy involved in the trade.

The Raiders are like that dumb kid in your fantasy football league that everyone take turns ripping off...Wouldn't be surprised if they pawned off McCoy (with his ridiculous salary and probably a year or two away from the RB cliff of death) and only a couple of picks to get them to #4.

HAVE to take a QB. They have no NFL starting caliber player on their roster right now.

and Winston aren't lasting past 5.....Tampa has to take a qb.....

In comment 12156479 spike said:

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HAVE to take a QB. They have no NFL starting caliber player on their roster right now.

You never HAVE to do anything. Especially when you're already a rebuilding team at the bottom. If the Jets feel that Mariota is a system QB and Winston is slow and a headcase, then they'd be worse off by reaching for one of them at #6 than they would drafting an impact player at another position and stopgapping the QB position with whatever trash is on their roster or a journeyman option until they find something they like.

They could also pick a QB in the later rounds. I'm sure people said the '00 draft didn't have a franchise QB too.

In comment 12156054 ZogZerg said:

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Trade will deplete eagles depth. MM is not a franchise QB. His best shot is with Chip Kelly, but I don't see it being great.

It is a little bit to early for writing MM off as not being a franchise QB. The concern is how quickly he can assimilate to NFL formations and playing under center. He has incredible physical skills and appeared to be able to make the throws. At this point, it is looking like he will be the 1st QB taken in the draft and JW may not even be a 1st rd selection.

In comment 12156479 spike said:

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HAVE to take a QB. They have no NFL starting caliber player on their roster right now.

I could see the Jets going after a QB in FA. They have already been snake-bit on (2) QB's taken in rd#1! They also have a lot of other needs, especially WR and RB. JMHO.

In comment 12156835 dguy901 said:

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In comment 12156479 spike said: Quote: HAVE to take a QB. They have no NFL starting caliber player on their roster right now. I could see the Jets going after a QB in FA. They have already been snake-bit on (2) QB's taken in rd#1! They also have a lot of other needs, especially WR and RB. JMHO.

What QB in FA? There are none. The best one is Mark Sanchez.

In comment 12156839 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 12156835 dguy901 said: Quote: In comment 12156479 spike said: Quote: HAVE to take a QB. They have no NFL starting caliber player on their roster right now. I could see the Jets going after a QB in FA. They have already been snake-bit on (2) QB's taken in rd#1! They also have a lot of other needs, especially WR and RB. JMHO. What QB in FA? There are none. The best one is Mark Sanchez.

You are right, I said it wrong. There are a few QB's that would be available via trade that teams might consider going for, current backups.

Foles in any trade to the Jets

In comment 12156835 dguy901 said:

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In comment 12156479 spike said: Quote: HAVE to take a QB. They have no NFL starting caliber player on their roster right now. I could see the Jets going after a QB in FA. They have already been snake-bit on (2) QB's taken in rd#1! They also have a lot of other needs, especially WR and RB. JMHO.

Sanchez and who?

Geno Smith?

He was a second rounder

some duct tape and baling wire and see if they can keep Michael Vick out there for 4-5 games this year.

Maybe they could contact the Giants and trade their 1st rounder this year and next for Nassib.

The Rams could grab a QB and trade Bradford to the Jets for some extra medical supplies.

Plenty of options for the Jets at QB.