Momentum pointing toward Eagles going hard for Mariota

Trade it all for Mariota. Those deals always work out!

is ready to give up 2 1's, 2 2's, and a player like Cox or Kendricks. I would kill for him to fall to #9.

for this to happen. You are looking at at least a 4-5 draft pick loss here.

is a potential AMAZING deal... for the Jets or whomever makes it. This could turn the Jets from LOL to in great shape really quickly.

Gets abused the same way RG3 did.

Do it Chippy!!!! Do it!!!!!!

In comment 12155766 DanMetroMan said:

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is a potential AMAZING deal... for the Jets or whomever makes it. This could turn the Jets from LOL to in great shape really quickly.

You would think so, but it's no guarantee. I still can't believe the Redskins couldn't turn the Ricky Williams trade into perennial title contention.

This move will wreck that franchise. Please do it.

With Maccagnan and Bowles at the helm, they certainly appear to have grown-ups running the show now.

for both teams.

In comment 12155771 Mr. Bungle said:

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In comment 12155766 DanMetroMan said: Quote: is a potential AMAZING deal... for the Jets or whomever makes it. This could turn the Jets from LOL to in great shape really quickly. You would think so, but it's no guarantee. I still can't believe the Redskins couldn't turn the Ricky Williams trade into perennial title contention.

Fair but on paper it's potentially a true franchise changer.

is never a smart trade to mortgage almost an entire draft class or top picks across multiple years.

Name one instance where giving up a bunch of picks actually paid dividends.

Keep in mind, this trade would be at least twice the magnitude of the eli deal and probably somewhere in the 3 times the number of pick range..

of why you don't let coaches make personnel decisions

for- Ricky- Williams trade!

far is he willing to move up? Is he going to try and go all the way from #20 to #2? The cost of that would make the RGIII trade look minor by comparison.

I like MM. Who doesn't? But he's not worth that kind of move, or even frankly moving all the way from #20 to #6. I've heard that it would take 2 #1s, and 2 #2s to trade with the Jets.

I suppose they would try and recoup some of the lost draft picks by trading Foles, but what would he bring, a third?

think what is happening now is teams are getting very skittish about how crappy the QB position is around the league and let's face is... teams with bad qb's, mediocre qb's don't compete for SB 99% of the time.


The big question I have for BBI....

In an almost impossible scenario where Mariota fell to #9 and the Eagles offered the Giants

Their #1, #2, #3, #4 this year and #1 next year... would you guys have the balls to pull off the trade knowing you MAY have traded a 15 year superstar to the Eagles. I do it.

you have Eli who was IMO a much more likely Star coming out of college than Mariota.

You'd only not take that deal if you had a glaring need at the position and thought there were no better alternatives.

In comment 12155781 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is never a smart trade to mortgage almost an entire draft class or top picks across multiple years. Name one instance where giving up a bunch of picks actually paid dividends. Keep in mind, this trade would be at least twice the magnitude of the eli deal and probably somewhere in the 3 times the number of pick range..

Agreed. If these rumors are true, and of course right now they are just rumors, then it looks like Kelly is obsessed with MM. Obsession in any context is rarely good. It distorts judgment and objectivity.

We basically gave up a #1, #3, and a #5 for Eli. And remember that Accorsi was willing to let the whole trade collapse when the Chargers demanded Osi.

In comment 12155760 Chris in Philly said:

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is ready to give up 2 1's, 2 2's, and a player like Cox or Kendricks. I would kill for him to fall to #9.

It will be interesting if true, TB would take that deal since Winston will be available at #20!

It would be a miracle for the Giants. Pray he drops to 9!

In comment 12155792 DanMetroMan said:

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think what is happening now is teams are getting very skittish about how crappy the QB position is around the league and let's face is... teams with bad qb's, mediocre qb's don't compete for SB 99% of the time. The big question I have for BBI.... In an almost impossible scenario where Mariota fell to #9 and the Eagles offered the Giants Their #1, #2, #3, #4 this year and #1 next year... would you guys have the balls to pull off the trade knowing you MAY have traded a 15 year superstar to the Eagles. I do it.

In a nanosecond. But I'd be stunned if MM fell that far. It could be that once Tennessee is on the clock, Kelly will start offering the sun, the moon, and the starts to each successive team. Somebody will and should take his offer. Remember anybody in the top ten had a bad year, and therefore has a lot of "holes" to fill. Extra high draft picks are the best way to do so.

the next most likely landing spot, meaning Giants would be a targeted team for anyone looking to move up, correct?

since the Bears and Falcons follow the Jets, and they both have starting QBs.

Then, after the Falcons comes...NYG. And with the Rams right after us, that could be the last chance for Chip to get his man, since the Rams will probably jump at a QB prospect like Mariota.

If Kelly is hellbent on trading up for Mariota, he's not going to wait until he gets to the sixth spot let alone the ninth spot. He is going to try to get into the #2 position. And that's assuming Winston goes #1 and not Mariota.

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the next most likely landing spot, meaning Giants would be a targeted team for anyone looking to move up, correct?

He would have to pass Tenn at #2 (some still believe they may take him) then Jets at #6. However Philly may not want to give up all those picks to a division rival. They could try to work a similar deal with Atlanta or Chicago first.

St.Louis also may try to trade up. Will be very interesting drama if MM falls past the Jets.

and Mariota plays well. Well enough that he doesn't get cut but not well enough to ever have a win vs. Giants.

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if only because I'd expect the Eagles to make the same offer to #10 to acquire Mariota. So we might as well get something for it.

In comment 12155792 DanMetroMan said:

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think what is happening now is teams are getting very skittish about how crappy the QB position is around the league and let's face is... teams with bad qb's, mediocre qb's don't compete for SB 99% of the time. The big question I have for BBI.... In an almost impossible scenario where Mariota fell to #9 and the Eagles offered the Giants Their #1, #2, #3, #4 this year and #1 next year... would you guys have the balls to pull off the trade knowing you MAY have traded a 15 year superstar to the Eagles. I do it.

I would definitely do it, but this is the deal I want: 2015 #1, 2016 #1, 2016 #3, and Fletcher Cox.

So Chip takes a SB ready team to a first round playoff loss in year one to the road-horrible Saints, no playoffs last year and then a potential franchise burning trade for a smallish, program QB that will be fodder for the bigger and faster NFL defenses?

Maybe Chip is a Giants fan after all!

be the Redskins at pick number five.

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So Chip takes a SB ready team to a first round playoff loss in year one to the road-horrible Saints, no playoffs last year and then a potential franchise burning trade for a smallish, program QB that will be fodder for the bigger and faster NFL defenses? Maybe Chip is a Giants fan after all!

SB ready team? Didnt they go 4-12 the year before he came? 8-8 the year before that? They've went 10-6 both years Kelly was there without having a top 15 QB.

and someone like Fletcher Cox to get up to say pick 9 and than putting a package together to trade up again to get their man. The first trade would happen before draft day.

Anything is possible and Mariota could get hurt too, but let's not forget that RG3 was excellent as a rookie, the Redskins were in the playoffs, and then he got hurt against a tough Seahawks D. The injury was one that takes up to a full year to come back from 100% both physically and mentally.

To further that, the coach that was supposed to be a QB guru and RG3s biggest backer was run out of town and then he got a guy that literally throws him under the bus at every opportunity in Jay Gruden.

With health, Mariota will have Chip Kelly - who made Sanchez look decent for a few games - as his champion. Kelly will not be ousted any time soon, he just got all of that new found power.

I think it's foolish to compare the two situations and write it off as a franchise ruining move. It wasn't long ago that there were a LOT of questions circling the Eli trade.

situation, you had a one-year bump following by continued losing seasons because the trade sapped the depth from the team.

For a trade giving up significant picks to work, Mariota must stay healthy and the Eagles must make a run this year. That is a lot to ask or expect.

In comment 12155781 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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is never a smart trade to mortgage almost an entire draft class or top picks across multiple years. Name one instance where giving up a bunch of picks actually paid dividends. Keep in mind, this trade would be at least twice the magnitude of the eli deal and probably somewhere in the 3 times the number of pick range..

Eli Manning?

In comment 12155823 Milton said:

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If Kelly is hellbent on trading up for Mariota, he's not going to wait until he gets to the sixth spot let alone the ninth spot. He is going to try to get into the #2 position. And that's assuming Winston goes #1 and not Mariota.

He czn try it, but it don't mean he's gonna get it. Giants gave up quite a bit to move up from #4 to get Manning.I don't know they have the leverage to do that starting from #20 spot.Either way, of all the teams they may give away the farm to, I doubt they are willing to give it to the NY Football Giants.

In comment 12155898 Great White Ghost said:

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In comment 12155781 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: is never a smart trade to mortgage almost an entire draft class or top picks across multiple years. Name one instance where giving up a bunch of picks actually paid dividends. Keep in mind, this trade would be at least twice the magnitude of the eli deal and probably somewhere in the 3 times the number of pick range.. Eli Manning?

What the Giants gave up for Eli will look like pennies compared to what it would take the Eagles to jump up into the top 10 for this.

but if he is, I'd love to trade #9 to Philly for most of their picks this year and their #1 and #2 or so next year

In his mocks has the Eagles trading with the Raiders and has McCoy involved in the trade.

In comment 12155923 geemanfan said:

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In his mocks has the Eagles trading with the Raiders and has McCoy involved in the trade.

I can't see how that is realistic at his salary.

please.

that offense looked dynamic for much of last season with a mediocre Nick Foles and then with Mark Fucking Sanchez under center. Buttfumble. Maybe Mariota turns into RGIII Season 2, or maybe Chip Kelly isn't a self-serving shit like Shanahan and figures out how to balance career development and not getting his QB killed. Without question, if this goes south it could set that franchise back for four or five years easy. But if it doesn't, you have a potential franchise QB going to a team that is close and as usual in a favorable cap situation.

Maybe Mariotta is a little bit of a surer prospect, but these trade-ups are oh-so-risky. For example, Atlanta's getting Julio Jones in 2011. Jones is obviously a superb player and yet the trade-up marks the beginning of the franchise's slide from a leading team into the lower depths.

What's interesting about the Giants trade-up for Eli is that the team FO - and specifically Reese - responded with a superb draft day in 2005 when they were shorn of their 1st rounder. A trade like that handicaps your drafting for a period of time so the GM has to up his game to maintain competitiveness.

Kelly getting Mariota is big trouble for the rest of the NFC East. Hope it does not happen period.

agree 100%. I'm not sure why anyone would want this.

if that happens then Steve Serby will be all frowny-face becuse he's been lobbying for the Jets to do what it takes to grab him for months now

every NFL coach who just left college is automatically linked to his star college QB when the later becomes draft eligible.

their cap flexibility will be diminished. Even Foles would command a fair amount on the open market. If they have Mariota for the next several years on a rookie salary scale, their ability to improve the team via FA will be pretty substantial. Maybe this blows up in their face, it's a strong possibility, but Kelly has looked pretty good trotting out QBs that were imperfect fits for his system. Give him Mariota, a QB used to playing his style and with a skill set well suited for it, and that offense could be very dangerous.

since the end of the season has made be believe that Kelly will pay almost any price to get Mariota.

of that magnitude is that even if it works, they will neglect other holes and rebuilding via the draft. So within MM's window, they may not have a great supporting cast.

And if it doesn't work (and let's face it--"working" means MM has to win them a lot of games) they could be in the basement for several years. Which is nice.