Todd McShay's 3.0 mock draft

of those experts had Scherff dropping like a rock and maybe even to the second round. Yikes.

There's no way they would pick Scherff over Cooper.

That just isn't going to happen.

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In comment 12155872 ij_reilly said:

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There's no way they would pick Scherff over Cooper. That just isn't going to happen.

I don't think so either. Kind of laughed at that.

Is a great, run blocking guard not a #9 left tackle. Bpa at 9 is not going to be Scherrf

But if he doesn't project as a cornerstone LT in our blocking scheme , likely we aren't taking him at 9.

The OL isn't in shambles and won't be a drop-dead need if we pick up a quality OG/RT in FA (which we very likely will).

that Cooper is long gone before #9.

...I would expect them to shop the pick and find a partner. Every team in the League needs quality wide receivers, all the time.

That said, I won't fall off my chair if the Giants take a talented, versatile offensive lineman at #9. And if Scherff is their clear BPA (no idea how plausible that is), I'm fine with them taking him rather than trading the pick, even if he does wind up at guard.

I tread lightly on picking players in general because I am not good at it. With Cruz' recovery still a real question mark it would not shock me if Cooper is on the board the Giants grab him. # 9 would be a sweet jersey #.

and would not be surprised if the Giants did also.

idea that the Titans love Mettenberger enough to pass on Mariota is pure smokescreen. I have a feeling he's going to Tennessee.

In comment 12155962 EricNY33 said:

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idea that the Titans love Mettenberger enough to pass on Mariota is pure smokescreen. I have a feeling he's going to Tennessee.

Agreed. Even just reading it outloud sounds stupid.

In comment 12155960 UberAlias said:

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and would not be surprised if the Giants did also.

No way that happens. Reese said as much.

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In comment 12155973 drkenneth said:

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In comment 12155960 UberAlias said: Quote: and would not be surprised if the Giants did also. No way that happens. Reese said as much.

Reese shared which guy they preferred? Sure.

think the Giants will take the center who Mayock thinks will be pro bowl caliber in the second round if he is BPA.

There is one offensive lineman worth a top ten pick in this draft. Now if you fall a few spots then two or three are worthy.

Teams chart how other teams improve themselves. Especially within the division. Zach Martin took the dallas O-line to another level. This young man could do the same for us.

The Giants will pass on a top 5 talent to pick a RT/OG. It's the stupidist thing I can imagine. Passing up a BPA at an impact position for an OL. Mind boggling.

In comment 12156049 BillT said:

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The Giants will pass on a top 5 talent to pick a RT/OG. It's the stupidist thing I can imagine. Passing up a BPA at an impact position for an OL. Mind boggling.

Not everyone agrees with your evaluation.

Not unless Mara puts the GM hat on,"Move over Reese,I'm General Managing".

Think if it's left up to Jerry,it will be best player available combined with immediate impact and self preservation.An offensive lineman might be good for the long term,but it might not get the Giants in the playoffs.

In comment 12156074 UberAlias said:

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In comment 12156049 BillT said: Quote: The Giants will pass on a top 5 talent to pick a RT/OG. It's the stupidist thing I can imagine. Passing up a BPA at an impact position for an OL. Mind boggling. Not everyone agrees with your evaluation.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but the Giants do have a bit of a track record to go by here.

oh wait..

Start paying attention to what his boss said, and that was O-Line is the #1 priority this offseason.

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In comment 12156074 UberAlias said: Quote: In comment 12156049 BillT said: Quote: The Giants will pass on a top 5 talent to pick a RT/OG. It's the stupidist thing I can imagine. Passing up a BPA at an impact position for an OL. Mind boggling. Not everyone agrees with your evaluation. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but the Giants do have a bit of a track record to go by here.

I never said they pass on a much higher graded player to go for need. One thing the Giants track record doesn't show is that they always grade players out the way the draft nicks do.

In comment 12156100 Emlen'sGremlins said:
[quote] Start paying attention to what his boss said, and that was O-Line is the #1 priority this offseason. [/quote

The keyword there is offseason, you know, not just round 1 of the draft? It's mind boggling to me that people can't differentiate things.

If no one in the first 8 wants him, someone will trade up to get him. He's one of the few blue chippers in this draft.

My point being, is that ownership KNOWS hey need to fix the O-Line and that it's the NUMBER ONE reason we've missed the playoffs three years in a row. John Mara will have very little appetite for an athletic, playmaking freak over fixing the trenches this year.

there's only 1 main reason we missed the playoffs. Last time I checked we scored points last year while our defense blew ass. Capitalizing words doesn't make them true.

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My point being, is that ownership KNOWS hey need to fix the O-Line and that it's the NUMBER ONE reason we've missed the playoffs three years in a row. John Mara will have very little appetite for an athletic, playmaking freak over fixing the trenches this year.

And they couldn't possibly fix the OL by signing a quality FA OL or two. That wouldn't do it? Oh, wait, yes it would and do it more reliably than drafting some rookie.

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If no one in the first 8 wants him, someone will trade up to get him. He's one of the few blue chippers in this draft.

Normally I would agree with you, but I think teams will be gunshy to trade up for a receiver after Buffalo did it last year. There is a lot of depth at WR this year, just like last year, so why trade up for Cooper when you can sit where you are and end up with Parker, Green-Beckham, Devin Smith, or Jalean Strong later in round 1.

Just seems like it will be in the back of everyone's head that Buffalo moved up and gave up a ton to grab Watkins when they could have stayed where they were and ended up with Beckham Jr., Mike Evans, or Kelvin Benjamin and gotten similar results.

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If no one in the first 8 wants him, someone will trade up to get him. He's one of the few blue chippers in this draft.

Not to mention if the first 8 pass on Cooper it will be the Giants' pick and they will run not walk to the podium to take him.

In comment 12155872 ij_reilly said:

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There's no way they would pick Scherff over Cooper. That just isn't going to happen.

Bingo! Give the man a cigar!

In comment 12155960 UberAlias said:

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and would not be surprised if the Giants did also.

That's a needs-based opinion, and is incorrect. Reese will take the playmaker, if available, at either WR or DE.

In comment 12156049 BillT said:

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The Giants will pass on a top 5 talent to pick a RT/OG. It's the stupidist thing I can imagine. Passing up a BPA at an impact position for an OL. Mind boggling.

Correct, in every facet.

In comment 12156115 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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My point being, is that ownership KNOWS hey need to fix the O-Line and that it's the NUMBER ONE reason we've missed the playoffs three years in a row. John Mara will have very little appetite for an athletic, playmaking freak over fixing the trenches this year.

A couple points that seems lost on many. First The only OL the Giants were ever linked to in the top 20 of the first round were guys that projected to play LT (including Pugh who they now may have had a change of heart on regarding LT). If we were to go for a non-LT it would be a departure from our normal M.O. that high in the draft.

Second and perhaps more importantly, if we bring in that quality starting OL via FA which seems highly probable let's say like an Orlando Franklin or Newton. Our OL is already pretty much set. With Jerry and intriguing Brett Jones as depth.

I don't see them passing up Cooper with the above in mind.

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In comment 12156115 Emlen'sGremlins said: Quote: My point being, is that ownership KNOWS hey need to fix the O-Line and that it's the NUMBER ONE reason we've missed the playoffs three years in a row. John Mara will have very little appetite for an athletic, playmaking freak over fixing the trenches this year. A couple points that seems lost on many. First The only OL the Giants were ever linked to in the top 20 of the first round were guys that projected to play LT (including Pugh who they now may have had a change of heart on regarding LT). If we were to go for a non-LT it would be a departure from our normal M.O. that high in the draft. Second and perhaps more importantly, if we bring in that quality starting OL via FA which seems highly probable let's say like an Orlando Franklin or Newton. Our OL is already pretty much set. With Jerry and intriguing Brett Jones as depth. I don't see them passing up Cooper with the above in mind.

I think they are going to use FA to address the problems on defense given that offense seems to be the strength of the draft. Whether that means OL in the first who knows.

that Cooper becomes a great NFL WR than there is that Scherff will be a great T/G. Just the fact that so many project him as a guard and not a tackle is telling.

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In comment 12155960 UberAlias said: Quote: and would not be surprised if the Giants did also. That's a needs-based opinion, and is incorrect. Reese will take the playmaker, if available, at either WR or DE.

Not a need based opinion. I like Cooper but don't love him as much as others seem to and am more high on Scherff. As for Reese, neither of us know how the team grades either player, or his intentions, though one of us has convinced himself he does.

In comment 12156245 Reb8thVA said:

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In comment 12156176 Coach Mason said: Quote: In comment 12156115 Emlen'sGremlins said: Quote: My point being, is that ownership KNOWS hey need to fix the O-Line and that it's the NUMBER ONE reason we've missed the playoffs three years in a row. John Mara will have very little appetite for an athletic, playmaking freak over fixing the trenches this year. A couple points that seems lost on many. First The only OL the Giants were ever linked to in the top 20 of the first round were guys that projected to play LT (including Pugh who they now may have had a change of heart on regarding LT). If we were to go for a non-LT it would be a departure from our normal M.O. that high in the draft. Second and perhaps more importantly, if we bring in that quality starting OL via FA which seems highly probable let's say like an Orlando Franklin or Newton. Our OL is already pretty much set. With Jerry and intriguing Brett Jones as depth. I don't see them passing up Cooper with the above in mind. I think they are going to use FA to address the problems on defense given that offense seems to be the strength of the draft. Whether that means OL in the first who knows.

As the situation is fluid anything is certainly possible. However Plan A from what we've been hearing is Giants will go after a quality starter to plug in for the final spot on the OL.

If above plan somehow doesn't come to fruition, I certainly wouldn't be surprised by a round 1 OL. However, If they do pick up a that FA OL starter, I don't see another OL in the first as there isn't the prototype LT that they usually like that high in the draft. (Lewan and Solder being prime examples).

by BPA which is how we drafted Beckum Scherff won't be the pick. He's 15-20 and only drafting for need puts him on Reese's board at 9.

...as the #1 OL and a Top 10 pick. I wonder what you know that they don't.

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In comment 12156505 Torrag said:

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...as the #1 OL and a Top 10 pick. I wonder what you know that they don't.

Probably this-


Iowa OL Brandon Scherff dropped from the No. 8 overall player in Joel Klatt's rankings to No. 17.
Scherff "will have to have great individual workouts to remain in the first round," according to Klatt. The reason? Apparently it is due to questions if Scherff can play tackle in the NFL, and Klatt said Scherff's stock "has dropped fast." Even if a team selects Scherff to play guard, we would put the odds at 90 percent he stays in the first round. In many cases, interior linemen are just as important as edge protectors. Feb 25 - 11:31 AM
Source: Fox Sports

but it's not going to be Cooper. No way he lasts that long. White has a chance of being there but I think a team would snag him before 9 too considering there's not a lot of elite top notch talent in the top 10.

In comment 12156049 BillT said:

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The Giants will pass on a top 5 talent to pick a RT/OG. It's the stupidist thing I can imagine. Passing up a BPA at an impact position for an OL. Mind boggling.

No way they take an Oline at #9 this year. No way. Best the farm.

In comment 12156115 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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My point being, is that ownership KNOWS hey need to fix the O-Line and that it's the NUMBER ONE reason we've missed the playoffs three years in a row. John Mara will have very little appetite for an athletic, playmaking freak over fixing the trenches this year.

Bullshit. The positive impact Beckham made over Pugh & Richburg combined is amazing. They will not draft Oline at #9. I know the Giants too well.

And if JPP and the team are FAR apart come draft, DE will suddenly become a very pressing need and several guys will move up a tier.