NFT: Yankees "botched" Moncada talks?

is a complete embarrassment and has been for a few years

Randy Levine had something to do with this horseshit.

when those stooges are together in a meeting. Hal, Hank, Randy Levine, Cashman, etc. Bunch of morons.

new to make me more angrier then I already have been over this whole thing.

in getting pissed off at this point. I'm just rooting for whatever it takes to get Hal to sell the team. If this somehow contributes to him selling, then great.

If you get angry over dumb shit this front office and ownership does, you're going to be pissed off nearly every day.

Whatever else you may think about Cashman, he's not a dolt. He knows how to negotiate contracts. This stinks of the Tampa Mafia and Hal. He should tell them to go fuck themselves, but instead he's going to be the good soldier while those guys ruin his professional reputation.

Moncadas camp had no interest in signing with the Yankees, they hated the Yankees approach. Nothing to do with money he told me.

In comment 12156216 MookGiants said:

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is a complete embarrassment and has been for a few years

Pretty much sums it up.

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Kiley McDaniel: It sounds like NYY genuinely didn�t think Moncada was worth what BOS paid, but they approached it the wrong way and there�s one bigger question they can�t/likely won�t answer.

How are a bunch of 16 year olds are worth $34 million but the best 19 year old in the world is worth exactly $50 million but not $60 million? It�s a ridiculous line in the sand to draw and there are some multi-year, overarching trends in what NYY has been doing that should�ve made this easier to see coming.

George Steinbrenner would�ve never let this happen and there�s more than just undertones of the PIT/Miguel Sano fiasco with NYY/Moncada. Teams that are run well and efficiently with clear delineations of who is in charge aren�t scared they might overpay relative to the 2nd highest bid if they think the price/player line up with their internal values.

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Weigh in for us�did New York just make a miscalculation on Moncada�s market? Surely they didn�t buck at upping their offer when they heard they were short by a few million. Or were they even given a chance to up their offer?




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Kiley McDaniel: They had a shot and didn�t take it. I think some of it was the agent, who they hadn�t dealt with before and it seems like they thought he was fabricating offers and trying to make a name for himself. How dumb would it be to not give them a chance to top any offer? No one is that stupid.

Sounds like a combination of top scouts and ownership said $25M was enough, either because they thought it would be the best offer or Moncada would take it anyway because Cano is his favorite player. It�s more complicated than just misgauging the market value of the player, though.

why is he going to walk away from that? Pride? Meh.

so he can sign before 6/15. It's esoteric and I won't bore anyone with the details (ht to sincty) but if he could be cleared to sign it would give Yankee fans another chance to get pissed off at management for having no plan.

thought they were getting him then Hal wouldn't pay up.

if you dont listen to them.

This sucks

down on the farm. But one bizarre decision has made even the most dyed-in-the-wool true believers very very skeptical that this team is on the right track.

I was 12 in October of 1996.

I'm going to sit back and enjoy our current crop of kids and take the longview. It is current management has forced me to this enlightenment.

kids are on the team? They wont even let the kids play, they'd rather sign Stephen Drew.

those kids will probably have a higher combined value than the moncoda.

In comment 12156290 Dunedin81 said:

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down on the farm. But one bizarre decision has made even the most dyed-in-the-wool true believers very very skeptical that this team is on the right track.

RAB did one of their confidence polls last week, before Moncada, and I gave a 9. This week'd be a 3/4. And you're right that bot much has changed.

I guess I only mean Judge, Severino, Clarkin, Mateo, etc...the most recent batch of IFAs of whom Moncada should be considered a part of. Just trying to talk myself into acceptance.

In comment 12156295 MookGiants said:

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kids are on the team? They wont even let the kids play, they'd rather sign Stephen Drew.

The Moncada fuck-up and the Drew signing pushed me from cautiously optimistic to pissed off. I usually do my best to catch at least a couple Yankee games, this year I'll probably stick to the minors.

For me. I'm not impatient, I've been expecting a fallow period for a while and I can live with missing the playoffs for a few years. There just doesn't seem to be any plan, strategy or reason that is guiding their decisions. Just a lot of reacting a flailing around.

In comment 12156295 MookGiants said:

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kids are on the team? They wont even let the kids play, they'd rather sign Stephen Drew.

This.

I was legitimately OK with the rest of the offseason up until Drew. Headley isn't going to be an MVP candidate or anything but I'd rather him than Prado and unless he falls off he'll be worth that contract and then some (4/$50 only buys league average production in FA, Headley's better than that). I think they got good value for Prado, Gregorius is a smart upside play, etc. It's not flashy but they won't regret any of those moves two year from now.

But Drew? Drew is done. Veteran MLB players don't have a season where they fall below negative 1 WAR and then recover to be productive players again. Refsnyder doesn't have anything left to learn in the minors, and it's not like he'd be taking away AB's in the majors from someone especially deserving.

I'd be OK with them losing out on Moncada if they legitimately thought he wasn't good, but I have every reason to believe that it's an issue of the Yankees bungling the negotiation and/or ownership being unwilling to support the actual intelligent baseball ops people with actual dollars.

I like Cashman overall but I really wish we could have the benefit of seeing him spend three or four years in a different organization that gives its baseball ops people clear parameters and then actually trusts their judgment. As it currently stands we have very little reliable knowledge of which decisions are his responsibility vs. which are the responsibility of ownership. Yes, ownership has the final say in every organization, but it's hard not to get the sense that Cashman is caught between a rock and a hard place - he can't ever commit to a rebuild because ownership won't allow it, but ownership also won't commit to throwing its financial weight around the way the Dodgers are. That's a good recipe to build a team that wins 85 games every year, which is pretty much what the Yankees did in the 1980's. Not the era I'd be trying to emulate.

for anyone wondering, Drew Henson has joined the Yanks pro scouting department and that's why he's not listed on any of the MiLB coaching staffs.

is a skirt chasing buffoon. Hes not doing anything to jeopardize his paycheck.

maybe a week.

a lot of positives, a lot of sleepers, a lot of it getting closer to the majors. And it's still there and still positive, but as guys like Bird and Tyler Austin and Jake Cave get within striking distance of the majors with what looks like major league talent you can't help but wonder whether they'll get chances with injuries and expiring contracts or whether the Yankees will sign stopgaps to do as Phil said, to get them to 85 wins and a few more unveiling ceremonies in Monument Park.

Don't be so sure. His reputation around baseball is not good. He's considered the luckiest SOB in baseball, a negotiator not a talent evaluator.

In comment 12156412 Mendenhall said:

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Don't be so sure. His reputation around baseball is not good. He's considered the luckiest SOB in baseball, a negotiator not a talent evaluator.

And how exactly do you know what his reputation is around baseball?

really, is it some sort of right that I was born into to contribute thousands of dollars a year to a for-profit organization that clearly has been operating against my wishes for quite some time?

What are we rooting for? The jerseys? The history? That's cute. While I enjoy remembering the stories of my grandfather watching Joe DiMaggio, Hal and company are happy to usurp any and all money that I'll spend while offering no real connection to those that we have historically cherished. And now our intelligence is insulted by investing tens of millions into short-term mercenaries (Youk) while neglecting potential long-term solutions.

If IBM comes out with a better solution to the laptop than my MacBook then they have me. If Tesla can offer me a cost effective way to drive around in style then they will sway me from the Germans. If my loyalty to other enterprises profiting off of my support is so fleeting, i'm beginning to wonder why a sports organization that is torturing me remains as a guilty pleasure.

22 seasons without a sub-.500 record, and you'd think they've been cellar dwellers for the past...22 seasons.

Pay the piper. Be average to (MAYBE) slightly below for a few years. Rebuild. They finished 4 games out of a WC spot last year (Royals won 88 to our 84...that's less than one more win per-month in season). Hope to stay healthy and contend. If not, suck it up and stop whining. You've seen two DECADES of amazing baseball with 5 championships. Let the bad contracts expire and reload for another 20 years. Sometimes I can't even with this fanbase. The deck is firmly stacked against us. There have been some real questionable moves recently, but damn, the fanbase is unbearable. It's not the 90's anymore. We're going to have to pay a price for some bad decisions. Tanking isn't in the DNA. Grasp that concept, move on and hope for the best.

Too much of the current "fans" are frontrunners who have NO idea what a bad stretch like the 1960's-early 1970s, or the 1980's and early 1990s really means- YEARS of no playoffs, and mismanagement.

I think about 4-5 noncompetitive years and the frontrunners should find something else to do. Then it will be tolerable to read Yankee fan sites or Yankee postings on sports sites.

In comment 12156548 Homersimpson said:

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22 seasons without a sub-.500 record, and you'd think they've been cellar dwellers for the past...22 seasons. Pay the piper. Be average to (MAYBE) slightly below for a few years. Rebuild. They finished 4 games out of a WC spot last year (Royals won 88 to our 84...that's less than one more win per-month in season). Hope to stay healthy and contend. If not, suck it up and stop whining. You've seen two DECADES of amazing baseball with 5 championships. Let the bad contracts expire and reload for another 20 years. Sometimes I can't even with this fanbase. The deck is firmly stacked against us. There have been some real questionable moves recently, but damn, the fanbase is unbearable. It's not the 90's anymore. We're going to have to pay a price for some bad decisions. Tanking isn't in the DNA. Grasp that concept, move on and hope for the best.

I don't see anyone whining about potentially having a losing season or two. If anything I see the opposite happening in this thread. Hell, I'd really enjoy watching the Yankees win 70, 75 games in a season if the team I was watching was actually committed to a youth movement and building a core of homegrown players. I like watching the Mets because they have young, fun pieces, and I'm not even a Mets fan - pretty sure I'd enjoy watching my actual favorite team commit to a younger core, too.

The Yankees don't even need to do a real "rebuild". They just need to commit to giving their homegrown players a chance at positions instead of signing stopgaps who aren't going to be around for the next run of good Yankee teams.

Those horrible years

I know they're never going to trot out a lineup of five or six position players under the age of 25 and that's fine. But when your choice is between letting two MLB-ready kids fight for the job or signing a stopgap who was flat-out awful last year and you take the stopgap, fans are fair to question your commitment to getting younger. You can make the case that Chris Young was more reasonable as Ramon Flores bats left and Tyler Austin isn't ready yet, but look at the bullpen. They have half a dozen kids who could pitch in an MLB bullpen this year, including three lefties, and they sign or trade for Miller, Wilson, Carpenter and Shreve.

In comment 12156554 rich in DC said:

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Too much of the current "fans" are frontrunners who have NO idea what a bad stretch like the 1960's-early 1970s, or the 1980's and early 1990s really means- YEARS of no playoffs, and mismanagement. I think about 4-5 noncompetitive years and the frontrunners should find something else to do. Then it will be tolerable to read Yankee fan sites or Yankee postings on sports sites.

Rich, Been a Yankees fan since 1960 so I truly understand the "bad stretches" of the Mike Burke/CBS owned Yankees, The Boss committing to the likes of Dave Collins in the early '80's to form a "Go-Go Yankees" & the "Kevin Maas" years of the early '90's!

This is why the lack of signing Moncada stings more. We kept hearing this winter about a transition to youth so it was easier to accept them not signing the top tier FAs. Most of us felt the Yankees would be all in on Moncada considering their limitations on international FAs the next 2 years. This was obviously not the case & after reading Hal in the NYP, I have to seriously wonder if their bid was more show than substance based on Hal's "$35 million" quote.

Looking at the management structure, there seems to be too many cooks who want to be Chef! There seems to be no true direction going forward. This "middle ground" of we're the Yankees, we can't do a complete rebuild is getting them nowhere & unless everyone stays healthy & our prospects reach their potential, we are headed to another era of disappointment! But, as angry as I am at Hal right now, younger fans don't really know BAD mismanagement as was the case with Burke/CBS. Yanks were 10th in a 10 team league w/ no chance to even make 9th place! lol (younger fans think this years' Knicks)

Jed Weisberger ‏@jedleyq 39s40 seconds ago

Involved in the 1B goings-on at #Yankees camp yesterday was Kyle Roller, a power guy who likely absorbed all of Tex's instruction.

when they see the Yankees throw stopgap players in the way of their prospects/ friends who they think are ready to play in the majors.