NFT: Rangers vs Flyers

Get to watch from the Caymans!

Lets go Blue...Fist the Flyers!

some strong coffe this am and appears ready to do battle. Phuck Philthy and take what's rightfully our's!

This is the Flyers last stand. They need two points or they are done.

that they would take Philly lighty. They have been playing better of late and their power play has been clicking. Not to mention they are a desparate team. Having said that the Rangers just seem to find ways to win no matter what gets thrown at them.

I hate all teams Philly.

If the Rangers are prepared mentally to deal with their crap we'll bury them in their own blood.

But the Twitter-verse is reporting that it's now a "more-likely-than-not" proposition that Zucc is traded.

I'd be more inclined to stand pat and make the playoff run with what we've got.

If we trade Zucc, we have a sizable hole for a top six wing that I don't think Miller is ready to fill.

of losing Zucc.

We better get a fucking haul and a half if we are trading away a player like Zucc in the midst of a possible cup run

The move that really worries me is trading Zucc for assets and flipping those assets for Vermette (and moving Hayes to wing).

This does strike me as a bit more of a negotiating ploy than we've seen in the past - Callahan was rumored to be traded for months, not just two days before the deadline.

.. is using too much hindsight. It's not like any of us thought all the way back then "well, they're going to trade Zuccarello and will need to fill that spot"

The kid needed to play. Ideally, he would have been playing in HFD this whole time and could have been called up but I understand why we did what we did. He'd probably have been playing 4th line minutes here at best in the interim.

I still don't understand A) who we are going to trade Zuccarello to (I am assuming it would be a WC team with playoff aspirations) and if we're looking to get back current assets or just coup picks for it.

I think anything that puts a dent in our overall talent right now is a big mistake. This team is good enough to make a run if Hank = Hank.

Of trading Zucc, but if it's part of a string of moves to get either Vermette or Bozak, I hate it.

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I'd trade Zuccarello anyway to make room for Duclair Greg from LI : 12/17/2014 11:01 am : link Cost controlled and he's simply more talented.

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.... BrettNYG10 : 1/6/2015 12:11 pm : link That's part of why I thought Duclair should stay - trading Zucc opens up a top nine role for him. We're good enough that keeping Zucc for a playoff run and letting him walk makes sense, even if it's not wise asset allocation.

#LOLarc

Duclair would have spent these last few months barely playing and twiddling his thumbs.

It made sense if we had him in HFD and could call him up.

If this has anything to do with trying to acquire Bozak, we're going to make a huge mistake.

Swapping Zucc for bozak would be fucking inept

And trading him would be stupid, unless some team wants to give up a couple of players that would improve the overall depth, but nobody's ding that.

even then it would be a 50/50 proposition.

Last year was a unique situation with MSL wanting out of Tampa at the same time things were falling apart with Cally. So we were able to make a deal that didn't hurt in the short term. Hard to imagine finding that this time.

The team has a good chance at being the 1 or 2 seed in the conference with a legitimate chance at a Cup. Doesn't happen too often. Zucc is an important part of that. If you risk losing him in the offseason, so be it. Happens all the time when teams try to make a run. But they at least took their best shot. And you've gotta figure our best shot is with Zucc than without.

Especially to lose him in the locker room.

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than trade Zucc. Sather certainly didn't make a good choice in letting Stralman go while landing Boyle.

a) as others have said, maybe the flip is into Vermette, Bozak or a LHD -- all moves which IMO make us a weaker team this year

b) Sather isn't completely stupid - he's not going to sabotage this season just to load up on an extra draft pick... unless...

c) the NYR view on Hank is that he's not coming back this year

The next 48 hours are something of a crossroads for this organization.

my hypothesis on that one was that we felt McIlraith could fill the 3rd line RD spot when Boyle's contract was up. A cheaper alternative to Stralman.

Not sure I agree with that, as I was a big Stralman fan, but there would be some logic to it. Now the question is whether McIlraith has to clear waivers during next season or by end of season?

since he got lockout relief. No GM is perfect but he's been pretty good. Glass is AV's folly. Once he gave Lundqvist his new contract there was going to be fallout. Zuccarello might be part of that fallout. He's a nice player but he's expendable. So the question is do they let him walk for nothing this summer and use his money to sign other core guys or do they try and get something back for him now. I vote something now as long as it's smart.

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I really, really, really don't want to lose Zucc. Not only is he my favorite player, but things may fall apart if we lose his on-the-ice and off-the-ice presence.

are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off

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Zuccarello is reportedly seeking a long-term deal (think five or six years) worth at least $5 million per season and quite possibly closer to $5.5 million annually. The Rangers are offering around $4.5 million. This is Zuccarello�s fifth North American season after coming over as the reigning MVP of the Swedish Elite League but just his second full NHL season.

$5.5 million for a guy that doesn't even score 20 goals? That would be nuts. I say let him play out the season, then say good bye this summer.

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are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off

Mook, you're underestimating his value to the team in the locker room and on the ice. You can't do that.

In comment 12156946 Gman11 said:

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Quote: Zuccarello is reportedly seeking a long-term deal (think five or six years) worth at least $5 million per season and quite possibly closer to $5.5 million annually. The Rangers are offering around $4.5 million. This is Zuccarello�s fifth North American season after coming over as the reigning MVP of the Swedish Elite League but just his second full NHL season. $5.5 million for a guy that doesn't even score 20 goals? That would be nuts. I say let him play out the season, then say good bye this summer.

4 million-4.5 is more than fair. I wouldn't go to 5.5. If he wants that, he can sign somewhere else in the offseason.

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Thanks, Beardie.


Jesus, this makes the contracts given to Staal, Girardi and Boyle look even worse. Oh and 1.5 per to Tanner Glass. Bravo

In comment 12156947 Anakim said:

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In comment 12156945 MookGiants said: Quote: are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off Mook, you're underestimating his value to the team in the locker room and on the ice. You can't do that.

If they trade him, they clearly don't believe what you say.

And how do you know i'm underestimating? Perhaps you are overestimating.

They traded Callahan who was the damn captain and it didn't tear apart the locker room, and callahan was a better player on the ice, too

Locker room.

We have a lot of veteran leadership. Everyone understands the business.

It's from all the scouting he does.

In comment 12156953 MookGiants said:

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In comment 12156947 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12156945 MookGiants said: Quote: are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off Mook, you're underestimating his value to the team in the locker room and on the ice. You can't do that. If they trade him, they clearly don't believe what you say. And how do you know i'm underestimating? Perhaps you are overestimating. They traded Callahan who was the damn captain and it didn't tear apart the locker room, and callahan was a better player on the ice, too

Yeah, trust the GM. Because we know how well that's worked out.

Because you are. Because you think that a locker room won't be torn apart by the departure of one player.


And we talked about Callahan weeks back. Callahan showed his true colors by having absolutely outrageous demands, even though Rangers brass put so much faith in him that they gave him the C. He wanted the money more than he wanted to stay a Ranger. Meanwhile, last year, Zucc took a significant price cut so he can stay in New York. And besides, Callahan never seemed to be "one of the guys." He was always in the Drury mold of leading by example.

Zucc, on the other hand, is one of the guys, he is the most popular guy in the locker room (per that Pat Leonard quote), he's a fan favorite and he always sticks up for his teammates. Couple that with what he does offensively and you have someone you can't afford to trade in the middle of a playoff race. You can't afford to possibly lose that morale and you can't afford to lose his playmaking ability.


And on who's better, it's apples and oranges. They're two different players. IF you want to go by points, Callahan has more points (I'll discount that he's playing on a line with Stamkos because Zucc is on a line with Nash), but Zuccs has more points last year

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It's from all the scouting he does.

Yeah, ok, Mr. "Lee Stempniak is a player comparable to Patrick Rissmiller and Darroll Powe."

And for a team built on team chemistry, you all assume a lot. Veteran leadership or not

at Anak making fun of people for their player comparisons.

Where is Zherdev these days?

Must be a pretty fragile locker room if a single guy can tear it apart. And you're making silly assumptions about Callahan.

if they trade Zuccs its because they believe he has outrageous demands on his contract, just like Callahan. And it's because they also believe it won't tear apart the locker room, like you somehow know.

You're not in the locker room. Stop acting like you are

In comment 12156968 MookGiants said:

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at Anak making fun of people for their player comparisons. Where is Zherdev these days?

Somewhere in Hockey Siberia...or literal Siberia




And really? Tyler Bozak? The guy is earning 4 million and he's a HUGE beneficiary of playing with Phil Kessell.

In comment 12156969 BrettNYG10 said:

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Must be a pretty fragile locker room if a single guy can tear it apart. And you're making silly assumptions about Callahan.

Really? It hasn't been done before?

but it has nothing to do with potential locker room issues. We need to go for it this year and not worry about losing him in the off-season.

You're talking about Zucc there, right?


I'm sure he's a popular guy, so was Callahan (despite that weird "Drury mold" comment of yours).. The team will move on when/if a guy, any guy leaves.

The question is if the on ice product is improved in the deal, if he's dealt.

You don't know shit about the lockerrrom , so just stop it. unless you saw some you tube clips and turned that into an in depth scouting report on the inner workings of the Ranger room and the delicate balance that only Mats zuccarello can hold together..



And Stempniak is still a sled.

Cunt.

In comment 12156970 MookGiants said:

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if they trade Zuccs its because they believe he has outrageous demands on his contract, just like Callahan. And it's because they also believe it won't tear apart the locker room, like you somehow know. You're not in the locker room. Stop acting like you are

It's not incredibly outrageous because Zuccarello probably would get 5.5 on the open market. It's just outrageous for us because we can't afford it after signing Staal, Girardi, Boyle, Glass and others to more money than they're worth. Granted Callahan got his 6 million, but he's in Tampa and not New York.

And New York got Martin St. Louis. Whatever veteran leadership they lost with Callahan, they regained with St. Louis, the team captain for the Lightning and the perennial Lady Byng winner. Not to mention, we weren't that great until St. Louis' mother died. That's when the team bonded together and propelled us to the Stanley Cup. So if you can say that an event like a trade propelled something good to happen, why can't you say that another event will propel something bad to happen? Because of the veteran leadership and that they're all professionals?

In comment 12156977 BrettNYG10 said:

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Cunt.

'Nak here sure is reminding me of all the hard hitting analysis I'm missing..

all cunts

In comment 12156974 Davisian said:

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You're talking about Zucc there, right? I'm sure he's a popular guy, so was Callahan (despite that weird "Drury mold" comment of yours).. The team will move on when/if a guy, any guy leaves. The question is if the on ice product is improved in the deal, if he's dealt. You don't know shit about the lockerrrom , so just stop it. unless you saw some you tube clips and turned that into an in depth scouting report on the inner workings of the Ranger room and the delicate balance that only Mats zuccarello can hold together.. And Stempniak is still a sled.

Again, did I not say Zucc took a big discount to remain a Ranger this year? He could've gotten more. So yeah, it's different. You can't expect him to keep taking discounts. 4.5 million is fair to the Rangers and to him. I wouldn't do 5.5, but I would still keep him around and then let him walk in the offseason. Poor asset management? Perhaps, but we're going for it this year.

And my perception of Zuccs popularity is not unwarranted. Aside from the Pat Leonard article calling him "probably the most popular Rangers player in the locker room," I see how Rangers (quite a few Rangers players) interact with him on social media. I see them doing off-ice activities with him during the summer like traveling through Europe. Hell, I think Zuccarello is living with Hagelin....OK, that's a bit stalkerish, but I think I read it somewhere.

And Stempniak sucks, but you compared his playing style to Powe and Rissmiller. They're not at all alike and Stempniak has had a significantly better NHL career than the other two.

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In comment 12156977 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Cunt. 'Nak here sure is reminding me of all the hard hitting analysis I'm missing..

Right because we all need your "shiny sucks, sandpaper is great, nice win, suck it Fish, slurp slurp slurp slurp" comments.

Not with the cap seemingly not rising the way most had anticipated.

In comment 12156994 arcarsenal said:

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Not with the cap seemingly not rising the way most had anticipated.

Well said. I fucking hate the cap.



Meanwhile, Tim Erixon was put on waivers.

Wasn't really a 'discount' - he had no leverage.

Another year of 'Nak overreacting

Some things never change

though he definitely wouldn't be the answer to our biggest need of a third-pairing LHD.

So much for his "high floor, high ceiling" projection that many here and on Twitter were making when he was traded here.

In comment 12157007 Wuphat said:

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Another year of 'Nak overreacting Some things never change

Whatever that means

@zuccarello36: Congratz to @RMcDonagh27 on becoming the 27th capt of the NY Rangers! Well deserved!! #ELcapitano

@zuccarello36: Congrats @mstlouis_26 on 1000 points in the nhl🌟🌟 im right behind u bud only 897p to go👍

Look at how he interacts with other players on social media. Fucking incredible.

In comment 12157002 BrettNYG10 said:

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Wasn't really a 'discount' - he had no leverage.

He would've gotten more in arbitration. 59 points wouldn't net 3.5 in arbitration. He would've gotten more.

you pick someone or something about the Rangers that sets you off into an irrational tizzy that no amount of reasoning with you will change.

This year, it's Zuc

In comment 12157012 BrettNYG10 said:

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@zuccarello36: Congratz to @RMcDonagh27 on becoming the 27th capt of the NY Rangers! Well deserved!! #ELcapitano @zuccarello36: Congrats @mstlouis_26 on 1000 points in the nhl🌟🌟 im right behind u bud only 897p to go👍 Look at how he interacts with other players on social media. Fucking incredible.

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You wish you were short enough to ride this

In comment 12157016 Wuphat said:

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you pick someone or something about the Rangers that sets you off into an irrational tizzy that no amount of reasoning with you will change. This year, it's Zuc

What was it last year? That I wanted Callahan gone?

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In comment 12157016 Wuphat said: Quote: you pick someone or something about the Rangers that sets you off into an irrational tizzy that no amount of reasoning with you will change. This year, it's Zuc What was it last year? That I wanted Callahan gone?

Hell, who can remember from year to year what it is that sets you off?

In comment 12157023 Wuphat said:

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In comment 12157019 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12157016 Wuphat said: Quote: you pick someone or something about the Rangers that sets you off into an irrational tizzy that no amount of reasoning with you will change. This year, it's Zuc What was it last year? That I wanted Callahan gone? Hell, who can remember from year to year what it is that sets you off?

Clearly you, if you think I overreact year after year. I mean the only thing that I recall was the drafting of McIlrath, but that was in the offseason.

is not the same as remembering what it was that set it off

But they have his replacement and upgrade on the roster and playing, and he is Hayes, he would be great on the right wing on that line, so if they did make a trade for Vermette and got a haul for Zucc, I would be Ok with it, Vermette would be an upgrade at center for Hayes, Hayes would be an upgrade at right wing for Zucc. That would give us 4 good centers, and it would give us little more size also. If they do keep Zucc, that is fine also, but if he wants 5.5r, no way, and Staal was worth his contract, but I expect some not to think so. he got a little less then he would on the open market, Zucc getting 4.5 is all he is worth, to pay 5.5 is a joke.

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But they have his replacement and upgrade on the roster and playing, and he is Hayes, he would be great on the right wing on that line, so if they did make a trade for Vermette and got a haul for Zucc, I would be Ok with it, Vermette would be an upgrade at center for Hayes, Hayes would be an upgrade at right wing for Zucc. That would give us 4 good centers, and it would give us little more size also. If they do keep Zucc, that is fine also, but if he wants 5.5r, no way, and Staal was worth his contract, but I expect some not to think so. he got a little less then he would on the open market, Zucc getting 4.5 is all he is worth, to pay 5.5 is a joke.

You realize Vermette is gonna have similar contract demands to Zucc. Otherwise, Vermette is just a rental.

In comment 12157027 Wuphat said:

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is not the same as remembering what it was that set it off

Well, when you think of it, come back to me

But for some reason I feel like Slats has had a hardon for getting him here since he was made available and this might be how it happens.

In comment 12157033 Anakim said:

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In comment 12157027 Wuphat said: Quote: is not the same as remembering what it was that set it off Well, when you think of it, come back to me

You seem to miss the point.

The details don't matter.

The point is that every year, it's something that only you seem to have intimate foreknoweledge of the impending disaster that never comes.

In comment 12157037 Wuphat said:

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In comment 12157033 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12157027 Wuphat said: Quote: is not the same as remembering what it was that set it off Well, when you think of it, come back to me You seem to miss the point. The details don't matter. The point is that every year, it's something that only you seem to have intimate foreknoweledge of the impending disaster that never comes.

Well, apparently I have no idea what you're talking about so I would like it if you gave me some examples...

next year when it happens again.

Brooks w the scoop

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next year when it happens again.

Haha, ok then

Makes me depressed.



Any interest in Tim Erixon off waivers? Or Rob Zepp as a backup to Talbot?

Andrew Gross ‏@AGrossRecord 1m1 minute ago
Talbot on Zucc: "Very instrumental in our winning attitude right now..a guy that has intangibles you can�t really measure on or off the ice"

"Orange clad cuntrags!"... Hahaha Priceless ... Go Rangers!!!

move with a team in 1st and a strong Cup contender.

In comment 12156988 Anakim said:

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In comment 12156974 Davisian said: Quote: You're talking about Zucc there, right? I'm sure he's a popular guy, so was Callahan (despite that weird "Drury mold" comment of yours).. The team will move on when/if a guy, any guy leaves. The question is if the on ice product is improved in the deal, if he's dealt. You don't know shit about the lockerrrom , so just stop it. unless you saw some you tube clips and turned that into an in depth scouting report on the inner workings of the Ranger room and the delicate balance that only Mats zuccarello can hold together.. And Stempniak is still a sled. Again, did I not say Zucc took a big discount to remain a Ranger this year? He could've gotten more. So yeah, it's different. You can't expect him to keep taking discounts. 4.5 million is fair to the Rangers and to him. I wouldn't do 5.5, but I would still keep him around and then let him walk in the offseason. Poor asset management? Perhaps, but we're going for it this year. And my perception of Zuccs popularity is not unwarranted. Aside from the Pat Leonard article calling him "probably the most popular Rangers player in the locker room," I see how Rangers (quite a few Rangers players) interact with him on social media. I see them doing off-ice activities with him during the summer like traveling through Europe. Hell, I think Zuccarello is living with Hagelin....OK, that's a bit stalkerish, but I think I read it somewhere. And Stempniak sucks, but you compared his playing style to Powe and Rissmiller. They're not at all alike and Stempniak has had a significantly better NHL career than the other two.

So we've proven that zucc did not "take a big discount" to stay.

Avoiding arbitration was not out of kindness.


And that last part is why it is impossible to respect any argument you bring to the table.


I said nothing about playing styles, I said adding sleds like Stempniak and Glass is the same rismillering of the roster. Wasting money on the bottom of the roster before even seeing if younger guys already in the system can do the jobs.

And now there's a cap crunch because of that rismillering.


Go watch Biggs on Canada.

In comment 12157037 Wuphat said:

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In comment 12157033 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12157027 Wuphat said: Quote: is not the same as remembering what it was that set it off Well, when you think of it, come back to me You seem to miss the point. The details don't matter. The point is that every year, it's something that only you seem to have intimate foreknoweledge of the impending disaster that never comes.

Anak the Zanax.

anyone.

At least he's consistent and sticks with one team.

What a douchey team and a douchey ass logo and douchey ass fans..

What color is #TheDress they ask? Well, I know one thing for sure that the color of the Flyers dress they're going to be wearing tonight is black and blue. I have no worries and am 1000% confident the Rangers will beat down the Flyers tonight. Flyers had FIFTY shots on goal against the Leafs and still didn't win. No excuses.

As others have performed on BBI hockey threads in the past, in a mewl yowl; "Let's fucking go boys!"

Policing threads and making everything a "Me vs. You" issue. Leave him alone.

end up trading Zucc for less than Zucc's value to this team this year ... let him play out the season and leave, he's still playing for a cup and playing to showcase himself in FA ... and he's damn valuable to this team because he plays a role and he plays it damn well

deals, but for the most part, he's won on the trades he's orchestrated.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here, too.

In comment 12157155 Davisian said:

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In comment 12156988 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12156974 Davisian said: Quote: You're talking about Zucc there, right? I'm sure he's a popular guy, so was Callahan (despite that weird "Drury mold" comment of yours).. The team will move on when/if a guy, any guy leaves. The question is if the on ice product is improved in the deal, if he's dealt. You don't know shit about the lockerrrom , so just stop it. unless you saw some you tube clips and turned that into an in depth scouting report on the inner workings of the Ranger room and the delicate balance that only Mats zuccarello can hold together.. And Stempniak is still a sled. Again, did I not say Zucc took a big discount to remain a Ranger this year? He could've gotten more. So yeah, it's different. You can't expect him to keep taking discounts. 4.5 million is fair to the Rangers and to him. I wouldn't do 5.5, but I would still keep him around and then let him walk in the offseason. Poor asset management? Perhaps, but we're going for it this year. And my perception of Zuccs popularity is not unwarranted. Aside from the Pat Leonard article calling him "probably the most popular Rangers player in the locker room," I see how Rangers (quite a few Rangers players) interact with him on social media. I see them doing off-ice activities with him during the summer like traveling through Europe. Hell, I think Zuccarello is living with Hagelin....OK, that's a bit stalkerish, but I think I read it somewhere. And Stempniak sucks, but you compared his playing style to Powe and Rissmiller. They're not at all alike and Stempniak has had a significantly better NHL career than the other two. So we've proven that zucc did not "take a big discount" to stay. Avoiding arbitration was not out of kindness. And that last part is why it is impossible to respect any argument you bring to the table. I said nothing about playing styles, I said adding sleds like Stempniak and Glass is the same rismillering of the roster. Wasting money on the bottom of the roster before even seeing if younger guys already in the system can do the jobs. And now there's a cap crunch because of that rismillering. Go watch Biggs on Canada.

Uh, yes he did. By signing a deal, both sides avoided arbitration. He would've gotten more in arbitration given his season (remember, he led the team in points). Hence, he did take a discount.

And it's not my fault you didn't make it clear. I'm paraphrasing but you said something along the lines of, "Stempniak is another Rissmiller and Powe." Yeah, Stempniak's 900K for one year is clearly killing the cap. Only you thought that was a bad deal. Hell, even if Glass signed for that kind of deal, it would make it more tolerable even though Glass sucks to high heaven (and you think Glass and Stempniak are in the same boat).

And who exactly would've been on our fourth line from within the system? A 4th line of Moore-Duclair and Fast? What happened to your "MORE GRIT" argument that you've been preaching about for years?

Go suck off Fish. SLURP SLURP SLURP

I've flip flopped don't trade the Hobbit. Leave it the fuck alone.

Take a few seconds and chill out. Maybe you should take a few pointers from arcarsenal, one of the few good hockey posters here.

is Hudson right?

what are the odds that Phill beats the New Yorkers?

They're awful and already blowing it.

We just have to win again.

Also, soda man isn't hudson. He's a lot smarter.

In comment 12157211 B in ALB said:

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is Hudson right?

I don't thin so.

SM is a dupe troll who goes away and comes back every 4 months or so.

This is the second time he's used soda man as his name.

It's only a matter of time before he's banned again.

Wow.

It wouldn't surprise me if the push to trade Zuccarello is spurred on by the Rangers knowing already that the King won't be back this season.....thus no Cup run to worry about messing up with a deal.

isn't coming back why is he even on the ice at all in practice? Doesn't make sense.

In comment 12157249 Greg from LI said:

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It wouldn't surprise me if the push to trade Zuccarello is spurred on by the Rangers knowing already that the King won't be back this season.....thus no Cup run to worry about messing up with a deal.

First, the thought of his not returning this year makes me sick to my stomach - if he can't return this year, it means its possible he never returns.

But anyway, IF that were the case - why would that justify the Rangers making a trade? It means it would then be ok to make a sucky trade? If it was a good trade, then it wouldn't matter, right? So, this logic only applies if they make a sucky trade - and why would they do that under any circumstances? (other than Sather just being a prick?)

that they're not going to let guys play out their contracts if they can't get and extension. I hope the Yanks are paying attention.

on this--similar to how the Giants won't let a HC go into a season as a lame duck.

And I agree with Mook that if they think Hank isn't coming back this year, then they wouldn't have him practicing taking shots of any kind.

..or doing any of that if they knew he wasn't coming back.

His time table really hasn't changed. They said 3 weeks and he'd be re-examined and that was just over 3 weeks ago. No setbacks have been reported since and he's incrementally done more each week.

Sure, there's a chance when he's re-examined they'll say he still needs a couple more weeks or that he's not as far along as they thought.. but I don't think there's a knowledge in the org that he's not coming back as of right now.

If they trade Zuccarello for future picks I might believe it. If they acquire assets that will help right now, I'll feel pretty confident Hank is going to be back.

has been re-called.

that was late in the day as Oscar had been listed in the lineup for the WhalePack a few horus ago.

not sure if this is Zucc related or if we're lucky it'll be Tanner Glass related.

I think someone just re-tweeted Tuesday night's news.

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has been re-called.

Gotta be a trade coming now.

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that was annoying. Sorry.

and the Rangers better not trade Zucc

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that was annoying. Sorry.

No need to apologize for a well-meaning post, Phil.

at Nassau 5-3, so a chance for the Rangers to go atop the Metro again (it'll be tough however)

Now let's get our 2 points.

In comment 12157249 Greg from LI said:

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It wouldn't surprise me if the push to trade Zuccarello is spurred on by the Rangers knowing already that the King won't be back this season.....thus no Cup run to worry about messing up with a deal.

that's not really what I think. I don't know what to think on Hank - it's unchartered territory and scary as fuck. especially when a few weeks back a bbi member (forget who) gave a similar anecdote and was told he could never play again

hoping for the best guys but light low shots with plastic balls or whatever they're doing.... isnt close to game ready.

the one thing I'm confident in is that baadbill doesn't need to worry about sather 'sending a message'

it's a business... what message would he be sending? don't ask for top dollar or you can't play here? WTF?

My guys just left a diarrhea-filled diaper on home ice. You gonna capitalize? Don't let LOLMac and his band of idiots take this one from you.

It's all going to hinge on what they tell him when he's re-evaluated. Which I would have assumed would have happened like.. now-ish.

Hopefully it's soon and he gets good news and can take the next step forward.

Anyway.. the Flyers are hanging by a thread and are going to be desperate as fuck at this point. Going to be a tough one. Hope we're ready.

In comment 12157249 Greg from LI said:

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It wouldn't surprise me if the push to trade Zuccarello is spurred on by the Rangers knowing already that the King won't be back this season.....thus no Cup run to worry about messing up with a deal.

Even if the King were out for the rest of the year, you see how far you go with the team you have. You don't just say, we're giving up on a Cup run

"Don't ask for top dollar or you can't play here? WTF?"

That seems to be exactly the position he appears to be taking. And that's fine, so long as he gets fair value in return. I'll withhold my judgment on that until I see what he gets if he moves Zucc.

I'm tired of hearing these idiots talk and yap their mouths and reading comments you losers bicker back and forth is getting quite boring. #StartTheFuckingGame

hey look, the thread was created 12 hours ago lol

best to build this thing up but hos about a highlight of Colton Orr knocking Todd Fedoruk out cold or Nick Fotiu pounding Holmgren or Wilson?!

Stepan!!

From center ice!

start!

no goal, delayed offsides.

that sucks

But the right call.

Steve Mason avoids a LOL moment

Offsides.

Still can't be good for Mason's confidence, though

Bs

In comment 12157334 Giants2012 said:

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Sucks but it was the right call...our guy was 3-4 feet in the zone when Stepan sent the puck towards Mason

waved off the offsides. You could see him do it on the left side of the screen. Then they get together to wave it off. Wtf? Never seen that before.

long to start gooning it up

Dom Moore shot the puck just after an offside whistle, Flyers overreact and we have a scrum already

when Boyle is out their "defending" our zone.

LeCavalier took a huge slapshot and Girardi blocked it, but that hurt

Fuck you Boyle. Wind up slower for the shot, please.

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In comment 12157340 Stufftherun said:

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when Boyle is out their "defending" our zone.

Speak of the devil...grrr

Talbot also could have done a better job keeping that out but Boyle gave up that rush

Boyle with the turnover that leads to that

Jesus.

NICE JOB, JT!

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and it's even!

With the quick response!

HAAAAAYES LIIIIINE

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would benefit from

SCORE!!! JT FUCKING MILLER!!! FUCK PHILLY!!!

Way to answer.

Shitting himself at the blue line again.

The kid's gonna be good.

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Good. Philly fans are as intimidating as a negative sign on a pregnancy test.

He seems to shit himself at the blue line and just give the opposing team a free pass

on the Flyer goal (just shown on replay). Probably OK but that stick was very close to crossbar height

ever since he has come to NY. Old doo-doo excrement.

In comment 12157361 nygmen84 said:

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He seems to shit himself at the blue line and just give the opposing team a free pass

That's why we need a third pairing defensive (preferably mobile) LHD. To cover Boyle's ass.


Though I'd rather just trade Boyle and that contract of his.

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McD has I might be able to understand his tendency to pump fake from the blueline, deking and dipsy doodling around but he simply can't afford that. He's got to either let 'er rip or throw it deep.

traffic cone out there.

angle on that play. That's the John Moore the coaches dread seeing.

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He offers nothing.

Didn't get hurt from the shot.

It looked like it hit him under the armpit

first ...

cleared it directly in the path of a Flyers forward about 20 feet from him

the back of his helmet. IIRC Grossman went down with an injury against us in the last game.

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JOHN MOORE!!!!

BROAD STREET BULLY THIS ON A LONELY SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!

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this time unassisted.

his first of the year

That was so friggen obvious!

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Cant let them get right back in it.

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it says glass has an assist tonight. can't be right!!

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this time unassisted.

Eh, not two unassisted, but you know what I meant.

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it says glass has an assist tonight. can't be right!!

2nd point of the season.

lead didn't last long. Right after the PP expired

Just what I fucking said can't happen.

OH MY FUCK ...predictable as always

Fine, let mediocre prosper; flourish. Pussy garbage making that Philly trash crowd go wild.

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Yup. For a 1st and Dahlbeck.

It got deflected right through the 5 hole.

Do you have the details on the Vermette deal?

In comment 12157424 nygmen84 said:

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In comment 12157419 Stufftherun said: Quote: . Yup. For a 1st and Dahlbeck.

Would never give up a 1st for Vermette even though I was intrigued, so good thing we're not paying that price

blame inventory where that one goes against his sanction and recognized standards as well.

arcarsenal, buy me a lollipop.

Talbot did great there, he made himself big and Voracek fired it over the net

Dumb penalty by gadouche...

For Reilly Smith

Since the entire team fell asleep and had another defensive lapse.

Please put a halt to this monster known as Michael Del Zotto. Fasten the menace that is thy. FUCK. What a sloppy finish.

Fucking twitter

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For Reilly Smith

Is this true?

In comment 12157432 bigbluehoya said:

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For Reilly Smith

The fuck?

In comment 12157432 bigbluehoya said:

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For Reilly Smith

Where are you seeing that?

In comment 12157432 bigbluehoya said:

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For Reilly Smith

What?

In a bad change or if it was Boyle slow in getting into position or both. OR, maybe I'm just looking to lay the blame at # 22's skates for no good reason.

conclusion to the second period. Too much abnormal spectrum of behaviors that fucked us up.

I'm seeing others that say Lucic.

I don't know what to fucking believe

with teams just unloading 1sts for rentals constantly.

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That is a great point...a lot to give up for a guy who will be a FA this summer.

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In comment 12157449 figgy2989 said:

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That is a great point...a lot to give up for a guy who will be a FA this summer.

It's amazing to me.

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Even less believable.

In complete panic mode after losing Kaner. Getting shit out last night sealed the deal...

I fell for a fake Darren Dreger account.

My bad, guys.

In comment 12157454 arcarsenal said:

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Even less believable.

Yeah, that's not happening.

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Del Zotto? REALLY?

That was just poor puck play all around

fucking pathetic was that?

Dan Boyle is fucking useless. What an awful signing.

bumbling around?

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Hell was Stepan doing right there?

First time the motherfucker has hit the net in weeks, I'm sure

He is a fucking joke

This team is seriously clueless in our own zone.

Couldn't even hit the net when he was a ranger

Is absolutely terrible.

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First time the motherfucker has hit the net in weeks, I'm sure

He actually scored a big goal the other night.

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I'm really, really going to be pissed. Del fucking Zotto.

In comment 12157475 B in ALB said:

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He is a fucking joke

He was a joke in the playoffs last year. Another Brad Richards type.

Can't stand having to hold my breath every time he steps on to the ice.

It's pretty hard to make pieces of shit like DZ and Mason look good, but they're doing it right now.

If you catch him flat footed he can't recover.

The top 2 lines really need to get moving. Our bottom 6 is outplaying our top 6.

In a long time

In comment 12157487 Greg from LI said:

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It's pretty hard to make pieces of shit like DZ and Mason look good, but they're doing it right now.

Well said...

Grrrrrrr

Philly might be down a D man but what's worse is the Rangers have a guy named Dan Boyle pretending to be a hockey player.

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Have to capitalize here

Cant waste it.

Both on PP1.

Big Gulps, huh?

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You couldn't even tell we were on a PP.

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Both on PP1. Big Gulps, huh?

I believe that was Moore and McD starting on the PP.

some fantastic chances there. Sigh.

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and he's standing on his head

did none of those shots wind up in the back of the net

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Becomes Roy this period. Unreal.

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I must have missed a change

That probably goes in front of everything Mason has done in his entire career on his highlight reel. You have to be kidding me.

But of course he channels Hayek tonight. Goddamn this game is pissing me off.

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Mason is the epitome of a scrub.

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Selma?

But yeah.. that was probably the best sequence of his entire career. That's not typical of him.

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Or Salma?

Mason didn't make the save on Nash, Nash shot it off the side of the net.

of goals.

I know it hasn't been awful but it just feels shitty that it's against these cunts

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In comment 12157527 redbeard said:

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I know it hasn't been awful but it just feels shitty that it's against these cunts

The Flyers are such a nothing team. Two great scorers surrounded by a bunch of humps.

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Another awful penalty in the offensive zone.

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Shouldve retired two years ago.

Nashville comes to town on Monday.

That was bad but thank god we are still alive.

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Depended on it.

1st Star tonight for Philly.

and this waste of 3 hours! A big assist to Dan Boyle and a shitty fucking PP and I mean shitty!

Like shit, lest Uncle Glen get an itchy trigger finger to do something unnecessarily bold.

And fucccck MDZ.

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If Carolina beats the Isles
sphinx : 6:27 pm : link : reply
what are the odds that Phill beats the New Yorkers?
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Boyle is absolutely fucking horrid. At this point I'd rather see him gone than Glass. I know. I know.

And I'm sorry but McD had not looked good on the defensive end. He is consistently muscled off the puck. He seems to play very tentative in the defensive zone. Something we haven't seen. Ever. Not good.

But 10-2-2 and 2pts back with 3 at hand on the Isles ain't a bad place to be. Just hope to God Sather doesn't do anything drastic after this loss.

Brian Boyle back in the # 22 jersey and playing on the backline too for that matter! Dan Boyle's play is indefensible, literally!

our speed game. Brilliant.

Dear lord

Boyle has been unfairly criticized.

He's. Fucking. Awful.

The most pathetic effort I've seen from them this year. They didn't even wake up till there were 7 minutes left. Then 4 minutes later they went back to sleep.

...because of all the talk about needing a PPQB.

He was a shitty signing. He's not worth his deal and he can't skate.

to a team with nothing to play for. Goals #1 and #3 should've been stopped by Talbot, but the skaters really let the team down tonight. Disappointed. And for the record, I hope Zucc is not traded. If they have cap problems, cut Glass and let Hagelin go in the offseason.

Has not been a good signing, and I am not happy he has a 2 year deal at all, he really stinks at times and has made too many mistakes. More money Sather wasted, he wasted money on Glass also. I understand the thinking and signing, but looking back this is not a good signing, and he has fucked up this trade deadline also, something he is real good at. If we added Vermette and lost Zucc, that would have been OK, but that can not happen and if he does what I think he will do, he is a real shitbag. He fucked up the St. Louis deal, look what we paid for him! Unreal. Only we get hosed if we add and get hosed if we subtract. He has been very good at the draft, and off season deals, his mid season deals have been horrible.

Zeal to get a tough guy has been a joke, he has fucked that up too.

Has been bad, he has flashed at times, but overall has been horrible.

In comment 12157557 B in ALB said:

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Boyle has been unfairly criticized. He's. Fucking. Awful.

I know who you're referring to B and you're right, he's fucking awful and what's more is, he was brought in to captain our PP where he's proven to be a liability there too. If you watch carefully you can see the opposition is going right at him and pressuring him from the second he starts carrying the puck out of the D zone and up the ice ...they have little to no fear of him beating them. I'm sure I'll be criticized by some for over reacting to this one game but if everyone's been paying attn you can clearly see that he's a weak link. If he can't perform and produce on the PP he really is useless as some here have suggested here.

So there's that.

That's a plus as far as I'm concerned

In comment 12157578 bigbluehoya said:

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That's a plus as far as I'm concerned

Agree.

I'd be okay giving up a Zucc or a Hags to a team that will take back Boyle and Glass.

I'm only half kidding

Can't they deal Boyle? Unless he has a full ntc or nmc he can toil in the AHL or help a team hit the cap floor.

Boyle is a liability because he's tasked with PP duties and defense. He sucks at both. And by sucks I mean he's FUCKING ANAL LEAKAGE!

NMC.

Fuckballs.

Boyle doesn't suck.

Because that's just ludicrous.

The power play has moved the puck significantly better on the PP with him on it than it did last year.

He struggles getting the puck up ice, as has literally every defender on this team (McDonagh has been worse than he has historically - Stralman was incredible at this).

I think he's hampered by Moore. He doesn't suck - That's overreactionary silliness.

I do miss Stralman, though.

great PP QB but more than 10 years after Leetch and we're still looking for someone to fill that role. And for those who look at Boyle's +\- and say he isn't a liability, well, you probably use the same statistical argument against other players or is it CORSI only? Bottom line is, he was brought in to captain the PP, and if he's not performing well or producing there he's not the player the FO intended to sign.

Sather has been doing the Boyle dance for years and now he's here ...5 years too late IMO.

Let's all just watch closely down the stretch in these meaningful and tightly contested games to see what #22 yields. Then we should have a very goid idea of what we'll be looking at come playoff time.

It was 18.2 last year.

I don't think he's made a significant difference. Certainly not one worth his price tag. And it seems like an awful lot of his shots are blocked or never get through.

He's not the worst player in the world but I think it was a poor allocation of resources. Next year will be even worse.

In comment 12157615 arcarsenal said:

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It was 18.2 last year. I don't think he's made a significant difference. Certainly not one worth his price tag. And it seems like an awful lot of his shots are blocked or never get through. He's not the worst player in the world but I think it was a poor allocation of resources. Next year will be even worse.

My comment about puck movement was purely qualitative.

Perhaps I have too much of Richards killing PP's in my head.

Boyle led the team in shot attempts differential going into tonight (haven't seen updated stats).

And agreed on your assessment of our allocation of resources.

about the PP.

Boyle consistently loses the puck, gives it away weakly in the defensive end, plays soft on the boards, is a liability on the blue line and cannot fucking skate.

He's the weakest link on the backend. Sorry but it's true.

Yet we hear idiots like Larry Brooks clamoring for him to get more ice time.

He's awful.

I just don't think that tells enough of the story but watching each and every night tells me that seeing is believing ...he's far from an asset. Beating a dead horse here ...let's pray that old horse wearing the #22 sweater has got some legs and game down the stretch run.

They aren't going to dominate every game. This is the kind of game that Lundqvist would have kept them in and given them a shot at the end.

Yeah, it sucks to lose to the Flyers (which they havent done much of lately) but a strong showing and win against Nashville (who has last 2 straight for the first time this year) and this game will be long forgotten.

leaving had little to do with Dan Boyle.
The Rangers
-Could not afford to match Strahlman's deal
-For personal reasons (wife) wanted to life elsewhere

So I don't think the Dan Boyle signing should be looked at in this realm.

Stralman ended up signing for less per year than Boyle currently makes

In comment 12157835 hudson said:

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leaving had little to do with Dan Boyle. The Rangers -Could not afford to match Strahlman's deal -For personal reasons (wife) wanted to life elsewhere So I don't think the Dan Boyle signing should be looked at in this realm.

You're mistaken. He wanted to resign here, and Boyle ended up getting more AAV as a UFA so obviously we could have resigned non-Evil Strals.

Good work, hudshon

of his name which he hasn't gotten right from day one. Strahlman - Stralman, Stephan - Stepan, Staahl - Staal ...I guess it's all the same if you just plug in an "H"

I still can't believe they lost the game on a shorthanded goal by Michael fucking Del Zotto.

Girardi is a great PKer, responsible in his own zone, etc. But a guy like Stralman excelled at pushing the puck out of our zone, driving possession - all things that are more effective at winning games than what Girardi does.

Girardi shouldn't be a top pairing defenseman. I think the things Girardi does well are overrated.

I feel like I'm constantly bashing him - I do like him and think he's a better player than what advanced stats credit him for.

He is just a long line of players Tortorella damn near ruined. Del Zotto had a ton of talent when he came up. One little mistake he was in Tort's dog house. Same with Dubinsky. Look at how he jerked Kreider around. Anisimov is another who comes to mind. He also did a number on Brian Boyle.

I have watched a lot of Flyers games this year and have paid close attention to the play of Del Zotto. If Sather really wants to add to this team's defense Del Zotto would be a major addition and up grade over Dan Boyle. He's fast, decisive and is not afraid to get involved offensively. He would be the perfect fit for the Rangers and has been outstanding on the power play.

Del Zotto nearly ruined himself with his off ice issues more than Torts did.

And AV did the same shit to Kreider that Torts did.

And how exactly are we acquiring MDZ and dumping Boyle? The Flyers are going to say "sure, let's take that crappy deal from you!" ?

Or we're going to just sign MDZ after this year and put him.. where?

weren't with his offensive side of the game necessarily rather it was his lack of responsibility in his own end. Much like John Moore you'd find him floating, puck watching and caught out of position.

and there's buzz that a deal is being worked out to keep Zuccie here.

But Not to the extent Tort's took it. Those guys never made it back with him. Look at Miller's play now as compared to the start of the year. He was all over the ice last night and AV kept puttin him out there because he had a lot of jump.