NFT: Rangers vs Flyers

Get to watch from the Caymans!

Lets go Blue...Fist the Flyers!

some strong coffe this am and appears ready to do battle. Phuck Philthy and take what's rightfully our's!

This is the Flyers last stand. They need two points or they are done.

that they would take Philly lighty. They have been playing better of late and their power play has been clicking. Not to mention they are a desparate team. Having said that the Rangers just seem to find ways to win no matter what gets thrown at them.

I hate all teams Philly.

If the Rangers are prepared mentally to deal with their crap we'll bury them in their own blood.

But the Twitter-verse is reporting that it's now a "more-likely-than-not" proposition that Zucc is traded.

I'd be more inclined to stand pat and make the playoff run with what we've got.

If we trade Zucc, we have a sizable hole for a top six wing that I don't think Miller is ready to fill.

of losing Zucc.

We better get a fucking haul and a half if we are trading away a player like Zucc in the midst of a possible cup run

The move that really worries me is trading Zucc for assets and flipping those assets for Vermette (and moving Hayes to wing).

This does strike me as a bit more of a negotiating ploy than we've seen in the past - Callahan was rumored to be traded for months, not just two days before the deadline.

.. is using too much hindsight. It's not like any of us thought all the way back then "well, they're going to trade Zuccarello and will need to fill that spot"

The kid needed to play. Ideally, he would have been playing in HFD this whole time and could have been called up but I understand why we did what we did. He'd probably have been playing 4th line minutes here at best in the interim.

I still don't understand A) who we are going to trade Zuccarello to (I am assuming it would be a WC team with playoff aspirations) and if we're looking to get back current assets or just coup picks for it.

I think anything that puts a dent in our overall talent right now is a big mistake. This team is good enough to make a run if Hank = Hank.

Of trading Zucc, but if it's part of a string of moves to get either Vermette or Bozak, I hate it.

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I'd trade Zuccarello anyway to make room for Duclair Greg from LI : 12/17/2014 11:01 am : link Cost controlled and he's simply more talented.

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.... BrettNYG10 : 1/6/2015 12:11 pm : link That's part of why I thought Duclair should stay - trading Zucc opens up a top nine role for him. We're good enough that keeping Zucc for a playoff run and letting him walk makes sense, even if it's not wise asset allocation.

#LOLarc

Duclair would have spent these last few months barely playing and twiddling his thumbs.

It made sense if we had him in HFD and could call him up.

If this has anything to do with trying to acquire Bozak, we're going to make a huge mistake.

Swapping Zucc for bozak would be fucking inept

And trading him would be stupid, unless some team wants to give up a couple of players that would improve the overall depth, but nobody's ding that.

even then it would be a 50/50 proposition.

Last year was a unique situation with MSL wanting out of Tampa at the same time things were falling apart with Cally. So we were able to make a deal that didn't hurt in the short term. Hard to imagine finding that this time.

The team has a good chance at being the 1 or 2 seed in the conference with a legitimate chance at a Cup. Doesn't happen too often. Zucc is an important part of that. If you risk losing him in the offseason, so be it. Happens all the time when teams try to make a run. But they at least took their best shot. And you've gotta figure our best shot is with Zucc than without.

Especially to lose him in the locker room.

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than trade Zucc. Sather certainly didn't make a good choice in letting Stralman go while landing Boyle.

a) as others have said, maybe the flip is into Vermette, Bozak or a LHD -- all moves which IMO make us a weaker team this year

b) Sather isn't completely stupid - he's not going to sabotage this season just to load up on an extra draft pick... unless...

c) the NYR view on Hank is that he's not coming back this year

The next 48 hours are something of a crossroads for this organization.

my hypothesis on that one was that we felt McIlraith could fill the 3rd line RD spot when Boyle's contract was up. A cheaper alternative to Stralman.

Not sure I agree with that, as I was a big Stralman fan, but there would be some logic to it. Now the question is whether McIlraith has to clear waivers during next season or by end of season?

since he got lockout relief. No GM is perfect but he's been pretty good. Glass is AV's folly. Once he gave Lundqvist his new contract there was going to be fallout. Zuccarello might be part of that fallout. He's a nice player but he's expendable. So the question is do they let him walk for nothing this summer and use his money to sign other core guys or do they try and get something back for him now. I vote something now as long as it's smart.

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I really, really, really don't want to lose Zucc. Not only is he my favorite player, but things may fall apart if we lose his on-the-ice and off-the-ice presence.

are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off

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Zuccarello is reportedly seeking a long-term deal (think five or six years) worth at least $5 million per season and quite possibly closer to $5.5 million annually. The Rangers are offering around $4.5 million. This is Zuccarello’s fifth North American season after coming over as the reigning MVP of the Swedish Elite League but just his second full NHL season.

$5.5 million for a guy that doesn't even score 20 goals? That would be nuts. I say let him play out the season, then say good bye this summer.

In comment 12156945 MookGiants said:

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are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off

Mook, you're underestimating his value to the team in the locker room and on the ice. You can't do that.

In comment 12156946 Gman11 said:

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Quote: Zuccarello is reportedly seeking a long-term deal (think five or six years) worth at least $5 million per season and quite possibly closer to $5.5 million annually. The Rangers are offering around $4.5 million. This is Zuccarello’s fifth North American season after coming over as the reigning MVP of the Swedish Elite League but just his second full NHL season. $5.5 million for a guy that doesn't even score 20 goals? That would be nuts. I say let him play out the season, then say good bye this summer.

4 million-4.5 is more than fair. I wouldn't go to 5.5. If he wants that, he can sign somewhere else in the offseason.

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In comment 12156949 redbeard said:

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Thanks, Beardie.


Jesus, this makes the contracts given to Staal, Girardi and Boyle look even worse. Oh and 1.5 per to Tanner Glass. Bravo

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In comment 12156945 MookGiants said: Quote: are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off Mook, you're underestimating his value to the team in the locker room and on the ice. You can't do that.

If they trade him, they clearly don't believe what you say.

And how do you know i'm underestimating? Perhaps you are overestimating.

They traded Callahan who was the damn captain and it didn't tear apart the locker room, and callahan was a better player on the ice, too

Locker room.

We have a lot of veteran leadership. Everyone understands the business.

It's from all the scouting he does.

In comment 12156953 MookGiants said:

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In comment 12156947 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 12156945 MookGiants said: Quote: are not going to fall apart if they trade him. Knock it off Mook, you're underestimating his value to the team in the locker room and on the ice. You can't do that. If they trade him, they clearly don't believe what you say. And how do you know i'm underestimating? Perhaps you are overestimating. They traded Callahan who was the damn captain and it didn't tear apart the locker room, and callahan was a better player on the ice, too

Yeah, trust the GM. Because we know how well that's worked out.

Because you are. Because you think that a locker room won't be torn apart by the departure of one player.


And we talked about Callahan weeks back. Callahan showed his true colors by having absolutely outrageous demands, even though Rangers brass put so much faith in him that they gave him the C. He wanted the money more than he wanted to stay a Ranger. Meanwhile, last year, Zucc took a significant price cut so he can stay in New York. And besides, Callahan never seemed to be "one of the guys." He was always in the Drury mold of leading by example.

Zucc, on the other hand, is one of the guys, he is the most popular guy in the locker room (per that Pat Leonard quote), he's a fan favorite and he always sticks up for his teammates. Couple that with what he does offensively and you have someone you can't afford to trade in the middle of a playoff race. You can't afford to possibly lose that morale and you can't afford to lose his playmaking ability.


And on who's better, it's apples and oranges. They're two different players. IF you want to go by points, Callahan has more points (I'll discount that he's playing on a line with Stamkos because Zucc is on a line with Nash), but Zuccs has more points last year

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It's from all the scouting he does.

Yeah, ok, Mr. "Lee Stempniak is a player comparable to Patrick Rissmiller and Darroll Powe."

And for a team built on team chemistry, you all assume a lot. Veteran leadership or not

at Anak making fun of people for their player comparisons.

Where is Zherdev these days?

Must be a pretty fragile locker room if a single guy can tear it apart. And you're making silly assumptions about Callahan.

if they trade Zuccs its because they believe he has outrageous demands on his contract, just like Callahan. And it's because they also believe it won't tear apart the locker room, like you somehow know.

You're not in the locker room. Stop acting like you are

In comment 12156968 MookGiants said:

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at Anak making fun of people for their player comparisons. Where is Zherdev these days?

Somewhere in Hockey Siberia...or literal Siberia




And really? Tyler Bozak? The guy is earning 4 million and he's a HUGE beneficiary of playing with Phil Kessell.

In comment 12156969 BrettNYG10 said:

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Must be a pretty fragile locker room if a single guy can tear it apart. And you're making silly assumptions about Callahan.

Really? It hasn't been done before?

but it has nothing to do with potential locker room issues. We need to go for it this year and not worry about losing him in the off-season.

You're talking about Zucc there, right?


I'm sure he's a popular guy, so was Callahan (despite that weird "Drury mold" comment of yours).. The team will move on when/if a guy, any guy leaves.

The question is if the on ice product is improved in the deal, if he's dealt.

You don't know shit about the lockerrrom , so just stop it. unless you saw some you tube clips and turned that into an in depth scouting report on the inner workings of the Ranger room and the delicate balance that only Mats zuccarello can hold together..



And Stempniak is still a sled.

Cunt.

In comment 12156970 MookGiants said:

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if they trade Zuccs its because they believe he has outrageous demands on his contract, just like Callahan. And it's because they also believe it won't tear apart the locker room, like you somehow know. You're not in the locker room. Stop acting like you are

It's not incredibly outrageous because Zuccarello probably would get 5.5 on the open market. It's just outrageous for us because we can't afford it after signing Staal, Girardi, Boyle, Glass and others to more money than they're worth. Granted Callahan got his 6 million, but he's in Tampa and not New York.

And New York got Martin St. Louis. Whatever veteran leadership they lost with Callahan, they regained with St. Louis, the team captain for the Lightning and the perennial Lady Byng winner. Not to mention, we weren't that great until St. Louis' mother died. That's when the team bonded together and propelled us to the Stanley Cup. So if you can say that an event like a trade propelled something good to happen, why can't you say that another event will propel something bad to happen? Because of the veteran leadership and that they're all professionals?

In comment 12156977 BrettNYG10 said:

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Cunt.

'Nak here sure is reminding me of all the hard hitting analysis I'm missing..