I understand full well we build our roster through the draft. But
I keep reading we need to fix our OL, so we must draft ____OL______. Maybe in the long term......but we must continue to draft BPA. Understanding that some needs take a few years to develop. FA is to patch holes, granted stud LT, DE, QB are rarely found in FA.
I feel free agency is the better way to currently fix the Giants OL......A Good LT is the only position that usually is not available in FA......but I see several RT and interior OL in FA that would solve our problem. Not to mention, I feel, we need men, not boys, right now. We need a higher level of toughness to instill our will.......our lack of success is short yardage is disgraceful. Has a rookie ever provided that on the OL? We need our "McKenzie"!
That same logic goes for DL......finding a game changing stud DE in FA is rarely seen (Greg Hardy) in FA. Just imagine JPP & Hardy.....sorry I regress. But Keeping JPP is a key. There does not seem to be quick fix in this draft.
Now the list of DTs in free agency is impressive and and growing. We also seem to understand how to draft DT....as well. Hankin needs help.
I wish we can find a true linebacker that can cover NFL TE and tackle everything......MIA for years. Toughest role for the Giants to find.
Safety is a concern.....especially one that covers and support the run. Do we convert a big corner?
Corner is somewhat disregarded because of Prince, DRC, etc...but who played corner in their final game? we must be snake bit? We should sign our FA......and pray.
Playmakers (WR, RB, TE, Returners).....youth favors the young....I would always keep drafting playmakers. Who expected Nicks to drop like he did. Cruz is a longshot to regain magic.
Let the action begin!
DE: JPP, Ayers, Moore, Wynn
DT: Hankins, Jenkins, Bromley
With that said, I think the biggest need is a veteran DT that immediately starts alongside Hankins.
I would be borderline astonished if we didn't land a quality starting OL and Safety in FA. They may not be the first signings but they will be the top priorities.
There's a whole bunch of LTs taken in the top 10 over the years that fizzle out or don't hit at all at LT. I really don't see how we can go on a limb at 9 on a LT that may never be that and pass up on a playmaker elsewhere on the field. I'm not opposed to Peat or Scherff, but I doubt they will be rated above others available at 9.
Picking OL at 9 may not fix our line. Beatty also played just fine when our Guards played better (not to mention Center).
DL: Bromley, Moore, Wynn
LB: Kennard, Beason(I), Butler(I)
DB: Taylor (I), Berhe, Hosley, Jackson, Howard
OL: Schwartz (I), Richburg, Mosley, Herman, Jones, Bamiro
TE: Donnell, Robinson, Cunningham
RB: Williams, Darkwa, Jennings(I)
WR: Randle, Harris, Washington, Talley, Cruz(I)
Again, not claiming that a high percentage of these is likely, but I expect some of them to pan out. A few of the vets bouncing back - especially Cruz, Schwartz and Beason - would be huge.
Tom that was my thinking too but Peat didn't wow me as much as expected in the combine. Giants usually have a type of LT to go for. Lewan, Solder, Beatty tall wiry strong with solid bases along with excellent feet on film which are usually backed by strong numbers (3 cone in particular) at the combine.
With that.....I would move up in the draft to get a top QB, DE and LT.
DL: Bromley, Moore, Wynn
LB: Kennard, Beason(I), Butler(I)
DB: Taylor (I), Berhe, Hosley, Jackson, Howard
OL: Schwartz (I), Richburg, Mosley, Herman, Jones, Bamiro
TE: Donnell, Robinson, Cunningham
RB: Williams, Darkwa, Jennings(I)
WR: Randle, Harris, Washington, Talley, Cruz(I)
Again, not claiming that a high percentage of these is likely, but I expect some of them to pan out. A few of the vets bouncing back - especially Cruz, Schwartz and Beason - would be huge.
Good list though you forgot Ayers. Who if he can return healthy could be a big boon to the DL if he plays anything like he did last year.
the last two drafts we have drafted ol early and started them immediately in pugh amd richburg so you can draft ol and start them
DL: Bromley, Moore, Wynn
LB: Kennard, Beason(I), Butler(I)
DB: Taylor (I), Berhe, Hosley, Jackson, Howard
OL: Schwartz (I), Richburg, Mosley, Herman, Jones, Bamiro
TE: Donnell, Robinson, Cunningham
RB: Williams, Darkwa, Jennings(I)
WR: Randle, Harris, Washington, Talley, Cruz(I)
Again, not claiming that a high percentage of these is likely, but I expect some of them to pan out. A few of the vets bouncing back - especially Cruz, Schwartz and Beason - would be huge.
Great point BBB. Especially think Richburg, Schwartz, Donnell, Kenard, Taylor, Wynn, Bromley are going to be solid contributors coming off injury or rookie years.
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Have to be OL and safety. The Giants must have known battle tested players to complete the OL and start at safety. No rookie can be counted on to be ready to go as a quality starter even one drafted at #9. After that it's open for various fixes but those two positions must have solid veteran proven players.
the last two drafts we have drafted ol early and started them immediately in pugh amd richburg so you can draft ol and start them
Richburg started due to injury. Pugh started from day one. It's possible, yes. Are you willing to bet the season that the rookie you draft to start on the OL is ready to go. I'm not.
I'm thinking it's a small miracle they cut ties with Marvin Austin.
DT: Paea or Langford
S: Parker or Searcy
RB: jacquiz Rodgers
And call me crazy but I would hope we sign Sean Weatherspoon to a one year prove it deal. He would be an upgrade to Williams at OLB.
If Reese can get these positions filled plus sign JPP to long term deal, sign Hynoski, Thurmond as well, then head into the draft and go BPA.
DT: Paea or Langford
S: Parker or Searcy
RB: jacquiz Rodgers
And call me crazy but I would hope we sign Sean Weatherspoon to a one year prove it deal. He would be an upgrade to Williams at OLB.
If Reese can get these positions filled plus sign JPP to long term deal, sign Hynoski, Thurmond as well, then head into the draft and go BPA.
I shake when a high-priced OLman is signed in FA. Baas and Schwartz last year make me cringe!
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OL: Franklin or Iupati
DT: Paea or Langford
S: Parker or Searcy
RB: jacquiz Rodgers
And call me crazy but I would hope we sign Sean Weatherspoon to a one year prove it deal. He would be an upgrade to Williams at OLB.
If Reese can get these positions filled plus sign JPP to long term deal, sign Hynoski, Thurmond as well, then head into the draft and go BPA.
I shake when a high-priced OLman is signed in FA. Baas and Schwartz last year make me cringe!
We've certainly had issues with FA getting injured. But we've also had issues with first round draft choices getting injured. Look, if we're going to be the most injured team in the league again we're going to be 6-10.
Giving Eli and Prince extensions can free up a good amount of cap space and it has been said that starting in 2016 we have a pretty good cap situation so this year can be the beginning of a major turn around.
Add to that the Cowboys cap situation and the uncertainty of Dez and Murray. Witten is not getting any younger, McClain is also a free agent. If the Eagles truly give up a kings ransom to move up to get Mariota they will take a step back. The Redskins seem to be a perennial mess. The division is very unstable IMO. One solid off season and some health, I can see this team not only take back the NFC East but contend for the next 35 years.
And Dallas is so far ahead? Really......Seattle yes....GreenBay maybe.
Dallas?....... has a great OL right now....a good QB.....but beatable. .Lets see what happens if Dez gets suspended.
And Dallas is so far ahead? Really......Seattle yes....GreenBay maybe.
Dallas?....... has a great OL right now....a good QB.....but beatable. .Lets see what happens if Dez gets suspended.
Neglected for a while perhaps. But not so much of late.
If NYG picks up a FA quality OL (which is probable from most accounts). Line would more-or-less be:
Beatty-Pugh-Richburg-Schwartz-FA/RT
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Beatty-FA/OG-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh
All 5 lineman either top 2 round draft picks or quality FA signings.
Quite a bit of resources allocated to the line.
1. Schwartz couldn't get on the field and Richburg was so/so
2. Walton was medicore at best and Richburg should be the center
3. Jerry is a disaster regardless of his PFF pass protection stats. He can't run block
4. Pugh was worse in 2014 than his rookie year
5. Beatty was medicore coming off a pathetic 2013. He benefits from the ball coming out quicker
Beatty, a healthy Schwartz, Richburg, anything besides Jerry and Pugh is Ok, yet hardly great. The right guard better be outstanding.
The ROI on many of these OL is equal to ignoring the position. Unless people believe having a warm body like Mosley qualifies as paying attention.
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The play of the O tackle depends very much on how talented the guard playing next to him is and I think that gets overlooked and thats why people talk about the line "gelling"together. I think we have enough talent for this O line but these guys just need to play together for more that one season...
1. Schwartz couldn't get on the field and Richburg was so/so
2. Walton was medicore at best and Richburg should be the center
3. Jerry is a disaster regardless of his PFF pass protection stats. He can't run block
4. Pugh was worse in 2014 than his rookie year
5. Beatty was medicore coming off a pathetic 2013. He benefits from the ball coming out quicker
Beatty, a healthy Schwartz, Richburg, anything besides Jerry and Pugh is Ok, yet hardly great. The right guard better be outstanding.
The ROI on many of these OL is equal to ignoring the position. Unless people believe having a warm body like Mosley qualifies as paying attention.
They also started to play better towards the end of the season as there was a steep learning curve with the new offense and it's blocking techniques.
Line is in much better shape this year and we'll likely add that high quality FA starting OL in a few weeks. It's definitely not in shambles like some BBI'ers seem to think.
The thinking behind it prevents one from building an all around team,which is what wins,not stock piling wide receivers.