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Devante Parker is not a need, but someone we deserve

Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 11:49 am
With the number 9 overall pick we don't need an eventual impact player, we need an immediate impact player that is a playmaker/game changers for at least 5+ years. Not since Plaxico have the Giants been able to put a large intimidating receiver on the field (Ramses Barden doesn't count). If Kevin White and Shelton aren't around, I think we go with Devante over Scherff and Cooper.

I believe if we get to sign Bulaga then Scherff will not even be in the discussion anymore. Also, Devante's hands, speed, and height translate alot better than Cooper does to the NFL. Cooper is a greater Miles Austin type receiver (which isn't bad), but Devante Parker is an AJ Green with some of his catches and body control.

I've attached the Devante Parker Highlights below. Let me know what you think. And hey remember the number 3 ranked receiver last year is now the reigning ROY.
Ultimate Devante Parker Highlights - ( New Window )
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Like him. Would be okay with the pick  
jeff57 : 2/28/2015 2:07 pm : link
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RE: Matty, the problem is that there don't appear to be any  
dguy901 : 2/28/2015 2:35 pm : link
In comment 12156903 yatqb said:
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defensive players available at 9 who are true game changers, or who are as chalk as the WRs who might be available. There will likely be one DT (either Shelton or Brown), some 3/4 OLBs like Gregory or Ray (no thank you), a S like Collins (who is very far from a game changer; indeed I see him as mediocre), no 4-3 LBs worthy of the pick, and perhaps one CB in Waynes. I just don't see Beasley as being there for us at 9 after he totally blew up the combine.

I'd love to land defensive help. Boy, do we need it. But do we draft Owamagbe Odighizuwa or Dupree just to land a DE, or do we take the BPA at our highest tier?

What we need to do is fix the defense in FA so we are not in a position where we feel forced to select a lesser defensive player out of need.

And what would you say if Dupree puts up 30+ on the bench? I am asking why he wouldn't be worth a #9, with or without JPP?
Another Weapon like Parker could help with this...  
Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 3:22 pm : link
“Absolutely. I was getting coverages I hadn’t see all year,” Beckham revealed. “I was getting a corner and safety over the top, a linebacker dropping underneath. I almost had three guys spying on me or covering me at the same time. I saw a lot of things I was not expecting to see in my first year but it was good I got that I saw them so early and I will be able to prepare for it next year and the year’s to come.”
Love Parker  
Coach Mason : 2/28/2015 3:32 pm : link
Highest upside of the 3 but more risk than Cooper.

White 4.35 doesn't show up on film as much as Parker's speed does.

I've seen alot of both and Parker is pulling away from defenders more often than White does.

I believe all 3 will be legit #1 NFL WRs.

I do love Cooper perhaps a touch more though for system fit. I could see him becoming a better version of Steve Smith almost from day 1 and quickly developing that 'E.S.P.' on the field with ELi kind of like what Stevie had with him.

RE: Love Parker  
Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 3:48 pm : link
In comment 12157080 Coach Mason said:
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I believe all 3 will be legit #1 NFL WRs.

I do love Cooper perhaps a touch more though for system fit. I could see him becoming a better version of Steve Smith almost from day 1 and quickly developing that 'E.S.P.' on the field with ELi kind of like what Stevie had with him.


That would be great. I do miss Stevie. He was always making grabs on third down to get the first.

I just think we're one or two weapons away from being too explosive of an offense with Odell. Sometimes the best move is not to spend your most valued pick on your weakness to make it mediocre, but to improve even more on our "strength" (a.k.a. Odell) to make that unstoppable. We can overhaul the defense in the second and third rounds and FA, but another WR threat, scatback of a RB, and an OL. This offense is ready to defeat the best defenses the NFL has to offer.
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Danny Kanell : 2/28/2015 3:53 pm : link
#NYK
RE: RE: Love Parker  
Coach Mason : 2/28/2015 3:55 pm : link
In comment 12157097 Phatballllz said:
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In comment 12157080 Coach Mason said:


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I believe all 3 will be legit #1 NFL WRs.

I do love Cooper perhaps a touch more though for system fit. I could see him becoming a better version of Steve Smith almost from day 1 and quickly developing that 'E.S.P.' on the field with ELi kind of like what Stevie had with him.




That would be great. I do miss Stevie. He was always making grabs on third down to get the first.

I just think we're one or two weapons away from being too explosive of an offense with Odell. Sometimes the best move is not to spend your most valued pick on your weakness to make it mediocre, but to improve even more on our "strength" (a.k.a. Odell) to make that unstoppable. We can overhaul the defense in the second and third rounds and FA, but another WR threat, scatback of a RB, and an OL. This offense is ready to defeat the best defenses the NFL has to offer.


Heck yeah. Would love to bring the offense to another level. We all talk about OBJ but some serious cred has to go to McAdoo.

He moved this kid all around constantly creating mismatches no matter how hard the other team tried to key on him.

If Ben was able to do that with one bonafide weapon on offense imagine if we give him 1-2 more?
RE: RE: RE: Love Parker  
Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 4:04 pm : link
I know imagine David Wilson still out there with Odell. Poor guy had all the heart, talent and speed in the world. But McAdoo could be much more creative with a scat back like that coming out of our backfield too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Love Parker  
Coach Mason : 2/28/2015 4:07 pm : link
In comment 12157114 Phatballllz said:
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I know imagine David Wilson still out there with Odell. Poor guy had all the heart, talent and speed in the world. But McAdoo could be much more creative with a scat back like that coming out of our backfield too.


Would have loved to see what MacAttack could have done with a weapon like Wilson.

No surprise Giants supposedly are interested in Tevin Coleman, probably one the more similar guys to Wilson in this draft.
Pass on Bulaga  
Big Blue '56 : 2/28/2015 5:15 pm : link
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RE: Pass on Bulaga  
Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 5:18 pm : link
In comment 12157161 Big Blue '56 said:
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Is there any OL you find better than him in free agency? To me I think we have two young OL and could use another solid veteran on the line.
Cooper/White/Parker all have very high ceilings  
Torrag : 2/28/2015 6:47 pm : link
For me Parker has the lowest 'floor'. I don't see the same change of direction skillset the other two possess. The broken bone in his foot is also a worry. Too many times these foot injuries become a chronic problem. So for me he's not quite a Top 10 prospect.

I wouldn't be unhappy if we pick him. I'd simply prefer a handful of other players.
He's going to be a stud  
UberAlias : 2/28/2015 7:32 pm : link
I wouldn't complain if he were the pick.
Not impressed by Parker  
Milton : 2/28/2015 7:41 pm : link
I would draft Maxx Williams ahead of him.
To say Cooper drops a lot of passes is absurd  
Big Rick in FL : 2/28/2015 8:15 pm : link
He had 120 catchable passes thrown his way in 2014. Only dropped 6 of them. He had 34 less receptions in 1 year then Parker had in his 4 year career.

Obviously Parker will have less drops as he saw a lot less passes go his way.
Sorry 130 catchable passes not 120  
Big Rick in FL : 2/28/2015 8:18 pm : link
From what I've read Parker had 3 drops this year. He had 43 catches.

Cooper had 6 drops. He had 124 catches.
Milton  
Big Rick in FL : 2/28/2015 8:19 pm : link
No offense, but thank God you aren't our GM. I don't think there is a single GM in the league that would take Williams over Parker.


Don't get me wrong I'd be very happy with Parker, but to try to downgrade Cooper by using drops is absurd.
Giants aren't good enough  
chris r : 2/28/2015 8:56 pm : link
to make back to back high first round investments in WRs while also paying Cruz #1 money. Too many holes.
RE: Milton  
Milton : 2/28/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12157324 Big Rick in FL said:
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No offense, but thank God you aren't our GM. I don't think there is a single GM in the league that would take Williams over Parker.
The addition of Maxx Willaims would help a lot more than the addition of Parker. Would you rather have the next Jason Witten or the next DeAndre Hopkins? Which do you think would be more help to Eli?
That assumes Maxx Williams is an elite TE prospect...  
Dunedin81 : 2/28/2015 9:26 pm : link
and he isn't. For every five guys advertised as Jason Witten clones, four of them end up special teamers. He's a solid prospect, to be sure, but he is neither a size mismatch nor a speed mismatch.
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WhoCares : 2/28/2015 9:32 pm : link
I see based on the video.

Parker is much more elusive that Cooper.
Parker high points well.
Parker basket catches more balls than I would have liked to see.
Parker moves like a smaller receiver. I didn't know his height but I was very surprised to see that he is 6'3"
He reminds me of Ike Hilliard in the way he moves.

I wouldn't be mad if he were picked.
Maxx is the best TE in a mediocre crop of them  
Torrag : 2/28/2015 9:34 pm : link
late 1st Round is a best case scenario for him. Even if he was a Top 20 prospect there are at least 4 positions we have greater concerns at than TE(OG/DT/S/DE).
Cooper, White and Parker...  
Dunedin81 : 2/28/2015 9:39 pm : link
to me in that order, is one of the better trios of elite WR prospects I've seen in recent years. Last year was quite good too with Cooper and Evans, though I didn't consider OBJ an elite prospect (kicking myself). 2011 with Green and Jones. 05 and 04 before it each had three go Top 10, though only Larry Fitzgerald has really lived up to expectations. Cooper has a little bit of Sammy Watkins in him, maybe not as agile but a little more polished, and White and Parker are not finished products but could end up in that Larry Fitzgerald conversation with size, speed and body control.
RE: That assumes Maxx Williams is an elite TE prospect...  
Milton : 2/28/2015 10:05 pm : link
In comment 12157392 Dunedin81 said:
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and he isn't. For every five guys advertised as Jason Witten clones, four of them end up special teamers. He's a solid prospect, to be sure, but he is neither a size mismatch nor a speed mismatch.
At 6'4", 250lbs with 33 1/2 inch arms, 10 3/8 inch hands, and a 35 inch vertical, he is definitely a size mismatch. On top of that, he plays with passion and has great hands.

Boylhart had this to say...
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He is an acrobat when it comes to catching a pass in traffic and his toughness after the catch along with his speed and athletic skills are unique. Maxx loves contact and the more contact, the more he consumes it mentally. If there is a third down completion needed, Maxx will catch the ball short of the sticks and “will” his way to that first down. He has quick feet, good strength and shows leadership skills through his play on the field. I call him Mad Maxx Williams because he plays with a fearless attitude that not many players have nowadays. He reminds me a lot of Tight End Jeremy Shockey.

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that's very average TE size and he's not fast either  
chris r : 2/28/2015 10:49 pm : link
It's really a bizarre obsession.

And there's this, FWIW.

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"That Minnesota tight end came across as all about himself from what people in our room said. They were a little turned off by him." -- NFC regional scout about Minnesota tight end Maxx Williams



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RE: RE: Milton  
blueblood : 2/28/2015 11:02 pm : link
In comment 12157386 Milton said:
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No offense, but thank God you aren't our GM. I don't think there is a single GM in the league that would take Williams over Parker.

The addition of Maxx Willaims would help a lot more than the addition of Parker. Would you rather have the next Jason Witten or the next DeAndre Hopkins? Which do you think would be more help to Eli?


Yes because the Giants need to draft a TE in the first round so he can catch 55-60 passes.. 600-700 yards and 6 TD's which is what TE's roughly have averaged under Coughlin..

The lunacy that a TE would be of greater benefit than a Bonafide #2 receiver is so delusional..

RE: that's very average TE size and he's not fast either  
Milton : 2/28/2015 11:04 pm : link
In comment 12157534 chris r said:
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"That Minnesota tight end came across as all about himself from what people in our room said. They were a little turned off by him." -- NFC regional scout about Minnesota tight end Maxx Williams

Judge for yourself, I've been very impressed by the interviews with him that I've watched. He comes across as a team player, intelligent, confident, and mature for his age....
Maxx Williams interview at combine - ( New Window )
RE: RE: that's very average TE size and he's not fast either  
blueblood : 2/28/2015 11:11 pm : link
In comment 12157559 Milton said:
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"That Minnesota tight end came across as all about himself from what people in our room said. They were a little turned off by him." -- NFC regional scout about Minnesota tight end Maxx Williams


Judge for yourself, I've been very impressed by the interviews with him that I've watched. He comes across as a team player, intelligent, confident, and mature for his age.... Maxx Williams interview at combine - ( New Window )


Pretty sure the interview conducted by the team is a totally different animal with totally different questions..
I'm fine with drafting a WR, because Cruz's uncertainty  
CT Charlie : 2/28/2015 11:17 pm : link
means we have only one first-rate WR we can count on. If he goes down, we'll waste another year of Eli.
RE: RE: RE: that's very average TE size and he's not fast either  
Milton : 2/28/2015 11:25 pm : link
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Pretty sure the interview conducted by the team is a totally different animal with totally different questions..
But those interviews don't appear on youtube. Are you going to trust some anonymous team official during draft season or are you going to form your own opinion based on the interviews with him that are available?
p.s.-- What's your opinion of his character, intelligence, and maturity based on the interview I linked?
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blueblood : 2/28/2015 11:46 pm : link
In comment 12157579 Milton said:
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Pretty sure the interview conducted by the team is a totally different animal with totally different questions..

But those interviews don't appear on youtube. Are you going to trust some anonymous team official during draft season or are you going to form your own opinion based on the interviews with him that are available?
p.s.-- What's your opinion of his character, intelligence, and maturity based on the interview I linked?


I didnt even bother to look Milton... because I dont care.. The Giants are not taking Maxx Williams @ 9..
and for the record  
blueblood : 2/28/2015 11:53 pm : link
I wouldnt take Parker at 9
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that's very average TE size and he's not fast either  
Milton : 2/28/2015 11:53 pm : link
In comment 12157590 blueblood said:
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I didnt even bother to look Milton... because I dont care.. The Giants are not taking Maxx Williams @ 9..
If you had taken the time, you would've come away impressed. The Giants are very unlikely to take Williams with the 9th pick, but maybe they would do it with the 20th pick?
The Giants are not trading down 11 spots  
blueblood : 3/1/2015 12:08 am : link
to take a TE..
RE: RE: I don't  
santacruzom : 3/1/2015 12:51 am : link
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see any way you can take him over Cooper if both are available.



Put on the tape. Cooper is smooth and 6'1" but he drops alot more passes than you'd think. And even at the combine he made some catches look more difficult then they actually were. I don't know me personally I'm not sold on him. But if the Giants draft him I'll go with what our professional scouts think about him over the youtube videos lol


If he had 124 catches last year, how many drops could he possibly have had? Was the ball thrown to him 20 times a game?
Re: Maxx Williams (from Rotoworld)....  
Milton : 3/1/2015 1:11 am : link
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"Accelerates to top speed quickly on crossers and speed outs," Lance Zierlein wrote. "Speed to chew up cushion and open a throwing window over the top. Will threaten seam and dominated defenders on wheel routes. Red-zone winner. Can do damage after the catch and shows playmaking aptitude with tight end screens. Extends and goes all out for the catch. Got a foot inbounds on three circus catches."

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"He has good size, doesn't shy from contact and creates yardage after the catch -- he can really motor with the ball in his hands even at 6-foot-4 and 250-plus pounds," Kiper wrote. The analyst ranks Williams as the No. 23 overall prospect in the class.

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"A very good athlete, Williams can accelerate out of his breaks with a lot more quickness than you would think for a guy playing at 250-plus pounds, and when you factor in a wide catch radius, soft hands and a long frame, he just becomes really hard to keep covered," Kiper wrote. "Linebackers don't stand much of a chance, and Williams is too big for others to handle physically.

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"He's a legitimate tight end who can help as an inline blocker but like Dallas Cowboys' star Jason Witten, Williams will make his mark in the NFL as a reliable security blanket over the middle," Rang wrote. The 6-foot-4, 250-pound Williams earned All-American honors, first-team All-Big Ten honors and was a Mackey Award finalist as a redshirt sophomore. He led the Gophers with 36 catches for 569 yards and eight touchdowns.

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"He is the only tight end I have in the first two rounds," Mayock, who ranks Miami's Clive Walford No. 2 amongst tight ends, said. Williams, who measured in to Indy at 6-foot-4 and 249 pounds, ran an official 4.77 seconds in the forty-yard dash. He fared better in other drills, clocking an impressive 4.37 seconds in the 20-yard shuttle and a 34.5-inch vertical jump. Mayock said Williams is athletic, but not explosive, and has "really good hands."

Tell me he wouldn't be the perfect complement to Cruz and OBJ....
Draft the most likely impact player  
averagejoe : 3/1/2015 1:16 am : link
that will step in and start on opening day. I don't care who it is or where he plays. Giants need help everywhere. The highest rated BPA. Don't reach for a OL or a DE that is raw.I have a feeling it may be Cooper or another highly rated WR to load Eli up in the new offense. Someone high on the board will drop to nine. Draft him and PLEASE GOD don't let him get injured in camp.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that's very average TE size and he's not fast either  
chopperhatch : 3/1/2015 2:03 am : link
In comment 12157595 Milton said:
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I didnt even bother to look Milton... because I dont care.. The Giants are not taking Maxx Williams @ 9..

If you had taken the time, you would've come away impressed. The Giants are very unlikely to take Williams with the 9th pick, but maybe they would do it with the 20th pick?


I would punch all kinds o face if this happennedd
If the Giants can manage to sign a quality  
prdave73 : 3/1/2015 4:02 am : link
offensive lineman in free agency, He would be a nice pickup and would help the Giants offense instantly. I just don't know if Vic Beasley is around, that you could pass up on him for Parker?? The defense needs help too, and Vic is an impact player!
There is a zero chance  
SomeFan : 3/1/2015 5:48 am : link
we draft a TE in any of the first two rounds of this draft. I would be certain we draft the BPA of either speed rusher, OLineman or WR in first two rounds.
His size is not a mismatch...  
Dunedin81 : 3/1/2015 6:50 am : link
his size is conventional for a pass-catching TE and smallish for a blocker. And his speed and quickness are fine but they don't suggest he's going to outrun a fleet-footed LB, much less a defensive back. So not really a mismatch. He's the best of a bad lot of TEs. We're not trading down to get him, nor should we.
Parker has enormous talent  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/1/2015 7:35 am : link
But he has a lot of work to do to be a complete NFL WR. He looks like the kind of guy who dominated the average college DB physically. However, that doesn't work in the NFL. He needs to improve route running a lot. He has a tendency to push off which is much less likely to get away with at the pro level.

White and Cooper are much more complete receivers at this point.
Parker is the #3 WR for a reason  
blueblood : 3/1/2015 8:01 am : link
and thats not a bad thing.. Cooper is definitely a better WR.. White is just as tall.. faster and more physical..
Somewhat similiar to last year , I think the top 3  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 9:50 am : link
Are going to show pretty well.

Likely not to the level of Evans and OBJ (which is extremely rare for any rookie WR) but perhaps somehwere in the neighborhood to what Watkins did.
RE: Parker is the #3 WR for a reason  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 9:53 am : link
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and thats not a bad thing.. Cooper is definitely a better WR.. White is just as tall.. faster and more physical..


Not so rare to see 3rd or 4th receiver selected end up pretty good. Nicks and OBJ as a couple prime examples.

Parker might have the highest upside of the 3. His catching radius is pretty sick and his game speed is better than White's IMO.
no doubt that Cooper is the more polished  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/1/2015 10:02 am : link
of Cooper, White and Parker -- but they are all pretty talented - and 3 very different types of receivers -- White is definitely more physical than the other two -- Parker has great height and uses his body well -- Cooper is very fluid and smooth

but the thing that's really surprising to me is the tape on Dorial Green-Beckham - this guy could be a bona-fide superstar -- the comparisons to Randy Moss are pretty spot on
Cruz is really  
RinR : 3/1/2015 10:07 am : link
the wildcard here. I tend to agree with those saying the Giants have more pressing needs, especially on D, to burn another #1 on a stud WR two years straight.
I'm of the opinion that Cruz at 90% what he was is better most #2s in the league and would still present enough of a threat to cause teams to pause about only worrying about Beckham.

If we dont fix the D this offseason (Spags alone will not do it) then those games where the offense is struggling, we'll have no chance.

The Giants going WR in round 1 will say alot about Cruz's rehab and potential this season.
RE: no doubt that Cooper is the more polished  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 10:09 am : link
In comment 12157735 gidiefor said:
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of Cooper, White and Parker -- but they are all pretty talented - and 3 very different types of receivers -- White is definitely more physical than the other two -- Parker has great height and uses his body well -- Cooper is very fluid and smooth

but the thing that's really surprising to me is the tape on Dorial Green-Beckham - this guy could be a bona-fide superstar -- the comparisons to Randy Moss are pretty spot on


Million dollar talent, 10 cent brain. He apparently bombed his combine interviews too. My outside impression: stay away.
RE: RE: no doubt that Cooper is the more polished  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/1/2015 10:11 am : link
In comment 12157741 Coach Mason said:
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of Cooper, White and Parker -- but they are all pretty talented - and 3 very different types of receivers -- White is definitely more physical than the other two -- Parker has great height and uses his body well -- Cooper is very fluid and smooth

but the thing that's really surprising to me is the tape on Dorial Green-Beckham - this guy could be a bona-fide superstar -- the comparisons to Randy Moss are pretty spot on


Million dollar talent, 10 cent brain. He apparently bombed his combine interviews too. My outside impression: stay away.


Randy Moss was pretty much a moron too - but a heck of a talent on the gridiron
gidie Giants don't mind  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 10:15 am : link
drafting players who have made mistakes, but are willing to turn their life around. DGB does not strike me as that guy.

Giants typically don't draft Dez or DGB types. Guys who are not willing to mature and will likely be trouble,headaches and drama throughout their career.
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