With the number 9 overall pick we don't need an eventual impact player, we need an immediate impact player that is a playmaker/game changers for at least 5+ years. Not since Plaxico have the Giants been able to put a large intimidating receiver on the field (Ramses Barden doesn't count). If Kevin White and Shelton aren't around, I think we go with Devante over Scherff and Cooper.
I believe if we get to sign Bulaga then Scherff will not even be in the discussion anymore. Also, Devante's hands, speed, and height translate alot better than Cooper does to the NFL. Cooper is a greater Miles Austin type receiver (which isn't bad), but Devante Parker is an AJ Green with some of his catches and body control.
I've attached the Devante Parker Highlights below. Let me know what you think. And hey remember the number 3 ranked receiver last year is now the reigning ROY.
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Couldn't agree more.
Put on the tape. Cooper is smooth and 6'1" but he drops alot more passes than you'd think. And even at the combine he made some catches look more difficult then they actually were. I don't know me personally I'm not sold on him. But if the Giants draft him I'll go with what our professional scouts think about him over the youtube videos lol
Half of BBI is on the WR band wagon. I'd rather have Vick Beasley. Somehow A franchise that loved defense has become one where it's Dan base would rather lose games but beat about great catches and how awesome the stats are
Why doesn't this franchise deserve another LT. Or Even a Jessie Armstead? Somehow losing games when scoring 30 points seems meaningless to me. Reading this site you would think there only one postion where you can get a playmaker
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What I don't see on the video of course, is his drop rate. Have no idea there. I have no idea how he plays in man with a CB right up in his face at the line.
From the tape he looks like a very good blue chip WR.
That kid Arik Armstead may still be around round 2 who stands 6'7". I mean the first three rounds I truly believe we can grab a standout beezer and d-end. I think if we spend a first round pick on an offensive weapon for Eli and go with defense the next two or three rounds all of us will be very happy.
You have names like Kendricks, Perrymen, Drummond (Safety from Michigan State who's for some reason dropping now to the fourth round projection in some mocks), etc. These are all quality college defenders who can bring an attitude and energy to our D we haven't had in awhile.
Let me see if I can find out what the injury was exactly and what his drop rate this season was.
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Why doesn't this franchise deserve another LT. Or Even a Jessie Armstead? Somehow losing games when scoring 30 points seems meaningless to me. Reading this site you would think there only one postion where you can get a playmaker [/quote]
I think a lot of posters will agree with you. We really need to draft a few playmaking defenders right away. It's just that it's easier to see a top 3 WR falling to #9.
Several of the DE guys are tweeners which scare that crap out of a lot of posters, myself included.
If the Giants select a defender like Beasley, I'm likely to shit my pants with happiness. They usually get the first pick right. I trust their evals over mine.
He broke his fifth metatarsal bone in his foot to start the season. Which cost him around two months. It's strange because what I read was that he came back quick and was able to produce. But then they say he doesn't have top end speed.
What makes it strange is his YAC and the fact that apparently scouts at the combine said he looked faster than Kevin White.
Also, no matter what I saw they said his selling point is his soft hands, concentration, and high pointing the ball. So his drop rate can't be all that bad
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Why doesn't this franchise deserve another LT. Or Even a Jessie Armstead? Somehow losing games when scoring 30 points seems meaningless to me. Reading this site you would think there only one postion where you can get a playmaker
I think a lot of posters will agree with you. We really need to draft a few playmaking defenders right away. It's just that it's easier to see a top 3 WR falling to #9.
Several of the DE guys are tweeners which scare that crap out of a lot of posters, myself included.
If the Giants select a defender like Beasley, I'm likely to shit my pants with happiness. They usually get the first pick right. I trust their evals over mine. [/quote]
It's true that our weakness is on the defensive side. But if the Giants are successful at adding a good starting left guard, a good receiver and a speedy running back, our offense could be extremely explosive. And that would help keep our defense off the field. Considering both sides of the issue, I guess bpa is the way to go.
It's too bad that OBJ is not that large intimidating receiver the Giants. Maybe they should cut him or make him trade bait and maybe they can get that large intimidating receiver that they need so badly. <sigh>
I'd love to land defensive help. Boy, do we need it. But do we draft Owamagbe Odighizuwa or Dupree just to land a DE, or do we take the BPA at our highest tier?
What we need to do is fix the defense in FA so we are not in a position where we feel forced to select a lesser defensive player out of need.
Their reasoning is regardless that the only positon where you can get a playmaker is WR. Are Shady McCoy and Murray Makers? Gronk and Graham? Not one a 1st rounder who plays WR. OBJ is a playmaker and as I've posted before Denver had like 4 this year and last year. Didn't help them. It's a whole team that wins almost every year and with the homage holes all over the roster all things being equal a WR is more a a want than a need
I think that folks are talking WRs because there is a chance that Cooper or White in particular could fall to 9, and at that point they might (people think) be more highly rated than anyone else available to the Gmen.
But Giant fans still love defense, and if there was a stud defender expected to be there at 9 there would be debate about taking him vs. the WRs or OL expected to last till then. It's just that this draft doesn't SEEM to have that standout guy who is perfect for our system available at 9.
The point is that its pretty odd to pine for a certain type of receiver when you already have a great WR on your team. Production matters, not style.
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Fine with him at 9, everyone says we don't need a WR but we are one injury away from having one of the worst WR groups in the NFL. If Parker is the BPA then take him
Half of BBI is on the WR band wagon. I'd rather have Vick Beasley. Somehow A franchise that loved defense has become one where it's Dan base would rather lose games but beat about great catches and how awesome the stats are
Why doesn't this franchise deserve another LT. Or Even a Jessie Armstead? Somehow losing games when scoring 30 points seems meaningless to me. Reading this site you would think there only one postion where you can get a playmaker
Marty, I happen to agree about defense, but this has become a league thats all about scoring and offense and if you can't keep up on offense, you done. Saying that, however, I would be happy with any player the Giants deem to be BPA, at 9, including WR. If they feel that an edge rusher is about equal value and is in the same tier, you may just see that guy drafted, as well.
I'd love to land defensive help. Boy, do we need it. But do we draft Owamagbe Odighizuwa or Dupree just to land a DE, or do we take the BPA at our highest tier?
What we need to do is fix the defense in FA so we are not in a position where we feel forced to select a lesser defensive player out of need.
And what would you say if Dupree puts up 30+ on the bench? I am asking why he wouldn't be worth a #9, with or without JPP?
White 4.35 doesn't show up on film as much as Parker's speed does.
I've seen alot of both and Parker is pulling away from defenders more often than White does.
I believe all 3 will be legit #1 NFL WRs.
I do love Cooper perhaps a touch more though for system fit. I could see him becoming a better version of Steve Smith almost from day 1 and quickly developing that 'E.S.P.' on the field with ELi kind of like what Stevie had with him.
I do love Cooper perhaps a touch more though for system fit. I could see him becoming a better version of Steve Smith almost from day 1 and quickly developing that 'E.S.P.' on the field with ELi kind of like what Stevie had with him.
That would be great. I do miss Stevie. He was always making grabs on third down to get the first.
I just think we're one or two weapons away from being too explosive of an offense with Odell. Sometimes the best move is not to spend your most valued pick on your weakness to make it mediocre, but to improve even more on our "strength" (a.k.a. Odell) to make that unstoppable. We can overhaul the defense in the second and third rounds and FA, but another WR threat, scatback of a RB, and an OL. This offense is ready to defeat the best defenses the NFL has to offer.
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I believe all 3 will be legit #1 NFL WRs.
I do love Cooper perhaps a touch more though for system fit. I could see him becoming a better version of Steve Smith almost from day 1 and quickly developing that 'E.S.P.' on the field with ELi kind of like what Stevie had with him.
That would be great. I do miss Stevie. He was always making grabs on third down to get the first.
I just think we're one or two weapons away from being too explosive of an offense with Odell. Sometimes the best move is not to spend your most valued pick on your weakness to make it mediocre, but to improve even more on our "strength" (a.k.a. Odell) to make that unstoppable. We can overhaul the defense in the second and third rounds and FA, but another WR threat, scatback of a RB, and an OL. This offense is ready to defeat the best defenses the NFL has to offer.
Heck yeah. Would love to bring the offense to another level. We all talk about OBJ but some serious cred has to go to McAdoo.
He moved this kid all around constantly creating mismatches no matter how hard the other team tried to key on him.
If Ben was able to do that with one bonafide weapon on offense imagine if we give him 1-2 more?
Would have loved to see what MacAttack could have done with a weapon like Wilson.
No surprise Giants supposedly are interested in Tevin Coleman, probably one the more similar guys to Wilson in this draft.
Is there any OL you find better than him in free agency? To me I think we have two young OL and could use another solid veteran on the line.
I wouldn't be unhappy if we pick him. I'd simply prefer a handful of other players.
Obviously Parker will have less drops as he saw a lot less passes go his way.
Cooper had 6 drops. He had 124 catches.
Don't get me wrong I'd be very happy with Parker, but to try to downgrade Cooper by using drops is absurd.
Parker is much more elusive that Cooper.
Parker high points well.
Parker basket catches more balls than I would have liked to see.
Parker moves like a smaller receiver. I didn't know his height but I was very surprised to see that he is 6'3"
He reminds me of Ike Hilliard in the way he moves.
I wouldn't be mad if he were picked.
Boylhart had this to say...
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And there's this, FWIW.
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No offense, but thank God you aren't our GM. I don't think there is a single GM in the league that would take Williams over Parker.
The addition of Maxx Willaims would help a lot more than the addition of Parker. Would you rather have the next Jason Witten or the next DeAndre Hopkins? Which do you think would be more help to Eli?
Yes because the Giants need to draft a TE in the first round so he can catch 55-60 passes.. 600-700 yards and 6 TD's which is what TE's roughly have averaged under Coughlin..
The lunacy that a TE would be of greater benefit than a Bonafide #2 receiver is so delusional..
Judge for yourself, I've been very impressed by the interviews with him that I've watched. He comes across as a team player, intelligent, confident, and mature for his age....
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"That Minnesota tight end came across as all about himself from what people in our room said. They were a little turned off by him." -- NFC regional scout about Minnesota tight end Maxx Williams
Judge for yourself, I've been very impressed by the interviews with him that I've watched. He comes across as a team player, intelligent, confident, and mature for his age.... Maxx Williams interview at combine - ( New Window )
Pretty sure the interview conducted by the team is a totally different animal with totally different questions..