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Is This the Year the Giants Trade Down?

TC : 2/28/2015 3:29 pm
The discussion concerning Devante Parker started me thinking about the possibility of a trade down. First, both trading down or just taking BPA at #9 could be good choices, and I could be happy with either.

It would seem that with only 8 players off the board before the Giants, there are going to be more than a few really, really good players still there at #9 on both offense and defense, and I would be enthusiastic about any of them. Certainly, the Giants need both more playmakers, and added talent on D.

And by the same token the Giants could use added picks to get another one, or more, of both. But while I've seen some insist that Reese and Co., would never trade down, they have in past years described a perfect willingness to do that, saying they were looking for a trade down but couldn't get a desirable offer. Obviously you can't trade down if you can't get a decent deal.

But at #9, it could be different. Considering that there are possibly 3 WR, 2 QB, and several edge rushers and other defensive personnel who some teams will likely think top 5, it's pretty much certain that one of them will still be there at #9, and as we've seen in the past, some teams that are desperate for a top player with a specific skill set will offer a heck of a lot to get him.




If Marriota gets passed the Jets...  
Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 3:34 pm : link
I am willing to trade the number 9 pick to the Eagles. For their first round picks for the next five years.
I think  
to_pass_time : 2/28/2015 3:36 pm : link
it is a classic "they should" trade down scenario. But it all depends on whether the pick gets any added value. To me, the fact that Jerry Reese has never traded down, is a slight indictment. I mean, come one there never was the right opportunity to do it?

Trading down can be a great thing or a horrible thing  
robbieballs2003 : 2/28/2015 3:36 pm : link
The act of trading down, itself, doesn't mean anything unless it is taken in context of how the draft has unfolded, who is on the board, who is trying to trade up, how far down are we going, where is the strength/value of the draft with respect to the rounds, etc.

To put this in simplistic terms, if we miss out on the top tier players at 9 and the drop off in trading down benefits us then I am for it. However, looking at our recent drafts, we don't do well with latter picks. We seem to nail our first round picks therefore I would like to stay put and draft where we are.
RE: Trading down can be a great thing or a horrible thing  
Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12157087 robbieballs2003 said:
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We seem to nail our first round picks therefore I would like to stay put and draft where we are.


I don't know about that. I think Cooper Taylor and Kennard are great fifth round guys as long as they stay healthy. Also, this year there will be runningback talent again in the third and fourth rounds.

I hope Duke Johnson is still there. That's our guy.
RE: Trading down can be a great thing or a horrible thing  
TC : 2/28/2015 3:41 pm : link
In comment 12157087 robbieballs2003 said:
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The act of trading down, itself, doesn't mean anything unless it is taken in context of how the draft has unfolded, who is on the board, who is trying to trade up, how far down are we going, where is the strength/value of the draft with respect to the rounds, etc.

To put this in simplistic terms, if we miss out on the top tier players at 9 and the drop off in trading down benefits us then I am for it. However, looking at our recent drafts, we don't do well with latter picks. We seem to nail our first round picks therefore I would like to stay put and draft where we are.


What if the Rams or Vikes wanted give a decent pick to move up?
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TC : 2/28/2015 3:47 pm : link
In comment 12157092 Phatballllz said:
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I hope Duke Johnson is still there. That's our guy.


As much as I love offensive players, I must acknowledge that there are DB's, DT's and ER's that I think would be great picks at #9 if there's a run on offensive talent.
I  
AcidTest : 2/28/2015 3:51 pm : link
think they want to, but won't be able to.
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Phatballllz : 2/28/2015 3:55 pm : link
I meant in the third or fourth round about Duke Johnson.
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Coach Mason : 2/28/2015 4:01 pm : link
In comment 12157104 Phatballllz said:
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I meant in the third or fourth round about Duke Johnson.


Wrong Johnson ;)

David is going to be the superior two way back in the NFL. Great tape and some of best combine numbers for all RBs.
I hope not.  
AnishPatel : 2/28/2015 4:06 pm : link
We have earned a nice spot to grab a prospect with high potential. I hope we sit there and draft among the available guys projected to be there.
I like D. Johnson very well,  
TC : 2/28/2015 4:10 pm : link
and would love to see him a Giant. But that said, I don't know that his play lives up to his numbers. I think the combine will see him drafted higher than I think he should go.

His game speed is fine, but not as blistering as his 40 suggests. He can, and does, get caught from behind. And while he is a good runner, I don't think he's a great runner. Vision is so-so, not many moves, and decent, not great power. Where he excels as a RB is as a pass receiver and blocker. I think those two skills are among the best I've seen from a RB in school.


Duh!  
TC : 2/28/2015 4:12 pm : link
D. Johnson = David Johnson!
As the saying goes...'A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the 2nd round.'  
Marty in Albany : 2/28/2015 4:12 pm : link
Or something like that.
Phatballz  
Emlen'sGremlins : 2/28/2015 4:26 pm : link
As long as Cooper Taylor stays healthy?

There was one?
I say this every year  
Sy'56 : 2/28/2015 4:42 pm : link
It is very unlikely and very hard to trade down. There are so many moving parts.
RE: I say this every year  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 2/28/2015 5:16 pm : link
In comment 12157145 Sy'56 said:
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It is very unlikely and very hard to trade down. There are so many moving parts.


But somehow, New England seems to do this every year and they amass multiple draft picks.
If there is a top player available at 9  
BillT : 2/28/2015 5:47 pm : link
Why wouldn't the Giants want him. That's the fallacy here. So a Parker/Cooper falls to the Giants and we trade him away? Huh? Wouldn't it be better to draft him rather than give him to some other team.
There will be a very good player at 9, I would rather stay put.  
Watson : 2/28/2015 6:50 pm : link
Unless it's a whopper. A team wishing to trade way up for a QB. For the swap of 1st this year would have to include at least a 2nd this year & a 1st next year.

Since this scenario, is highly unlikely I look forward to getting a great player at 9.
#9  
hankb1126 : 2/28/2015 8:59 pm : link
i think if several of the players we like are still there at #9 a trade down would make a lot of sense that way we get extra picks and still get a guy we want

since this draft they seem to say alot of red chips but not that many blue chips
Reese has traded down  
JohnB : 2/28/2015 9:02 pm : link
the year he took kiwi, he traded back and took him.
yes  
chris r : 2/28/2015 9:04 pm : link
someone is going to be itching for one of the 3-4 rushers in the Ray, Gregroy, Beasley, Fowler, Dupree quintet, and the Giants could benefit. Similarly with one of the top 3 WRs, if the Giants don't want to go WR 2 strait years and pay Cruz 8 mil.

Plenty of good value in the mid-later part of the first.
I would bet against  
Glover : 2/28/2015 9:13 pm : link
a trade down.
trading down  
royhobbs7 : 3/1/2015 2:30 am : link
The liklihood of one of the top tier players at #9 may not happen (at least not one of the "difference makers"). Yes, we need an OT/OG, but the quality seems to be thick through the 2nd and 3rd rounds. If we trade down several picks (to NO or SF), we can obtain additional picks (if they want to grab a DE), like a 3rd rounder + (maybe an additional 5th).
If we can obtain the 13th or 15 pick (trading down from the 9th), I wouldn't hesitate to draft Melvin Gordon from Wisconsin. Yes, I know that we've been through this before with Ron Dayne. However, Gordon is a totally different kind of RB. He is a difference maker (and I certainly don't want to see him wear a blue star on his helmet running behind that Dallas fortress!).

Gordon would improve our offense in many ways:
1) He would give us a RB that would challenge opponent DCs to come up with a plan to defense us (they could not always key on him given our passing game).
2) He would give Eli a credible play-action fake which would freeze most defensive linemen and LBs (opening up the passing game even more). I.e., teams would have to pay attention to him.
3) He would provide a pass receiving option as Gordon showed quality hands during the combine. Plus, in space, he is someone who can take it the distance. He can also make defenders miss and make yardage on his own. And if he gets to the outside, he's gone!!
4) Gordon would provide us with a superb team player, quality team leader, and positive locker-room presence (he's a great kid with a good family background).
5) Gordon would vastly improve one of the worst ground games in the NFL last year. There isn't a DC out there that is intimidated by Jennings and Williams as RBs. Therefore, the play-action last year was not convincing because the backs were weak.
6) Gordon would help keep our defense off the field as we can further sustain longer drives and increase possession time for our offense given his productiveness.
7) Gordon would need to learn how to improve his pass blocking. But at least he is a willing blocker.
8) Gordon is a HR hitter. He can make a difference by being able to take any given play to the house. Many compare him to Jamaal Charles. And yes, Gordon IS a three-down RB. Wouldn't it be nice to complement him with Jennings and Williams.

Of course all of the above is predicated on us improving our O-Line by either signing a road-grading FA OLman or drafting a quality OT/OG in Rd. 2 and/or 3. It would also help having an extra pick in Rd. 3 (we will hopefully obtain an extra 6th as a supplemental due to Tuck and Lin Joseph signing FA contracts elsewhere in 2014).
The extra picks could go towards buttressing the porous "D".
IMO I put the odds of trading with the Eagals  
GiantsLaw : 3/1/2015 3:53 am : link
to let them pick Mariotta at exactly zero.
RE: Reese has traded down  
blueblood : 3/1/2015 8:02 am : link
In comment 12157382 JohnB said:
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the year he took kiwi, he traded back and took him.


That was EA.. not Reese
But,  
Doomster : 3/1/2015 9:02 am : link
I don't know about that. I think Cooper Taylor and Kennard are great fifth round guys as long as they stay healthy. Also, this year there will be runningback talent again in the third and fourth rounds.


And why do you think they lasted to the fifth round? Because they had injury problems, that have followed them to the Giants.....

It's not about the Giants trading down, it's about a team wanting to trade up......if someone approaches them, and makes them an offer they can't refuse, that's one thing.....

But just remember, we will be lucky to get just 2 players out of the draft, that may be starters....
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