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Observations about Giants Premium Draft Picks: 2008 - 2014

M.S. : 3/1/2015 7:53 am
I've somewhat arbitrarily defined "premium picks" as first 3 Rounds of the Draft, and I went back to 2008 in order to arrive at a full team complement of at least 22 players.

(Also, 2008 -- 7 years -- is a pretty lengthy time (maybe too lengthy) for a player's career in the NFL.)

** In the past 7 Drafts, the Giants have had 23 Premium Picks;

** All in all, I think their Premium Picks have been pretty good.

** At the bottom I've detailed the players by category. In my (subjective opinion) our Premium Picks break out as follows:

Good Picks: 6 players
Bad Picks: 5 players
Servicable Picks: 4 players
Not Sure Where They End Up: 4 players
Careers Cut Short: 4 players (of which two maybe three could have been classified with "Good Picks")

**Fortunately, our 2013/2014 Drafts were better than our 2011/2012 Drafts;

**Our 2011/2012 Drafts (in their entirety -- all Rounds) are major contributors to the Giants current status as a a bottom tier NFL Team;

**Clearly, the Giants favor WRs with their premium draft picks. The Giants have chosen 6 (out of 23) -- that comes to 26.1%;

**The Giants have the worst LB unit in the NFL and it is not a coincidence that they have devoted only 1 premium pick (out of 23) to this position;

**Likewise, it is not a coincidence that we have a very weak offensive line (and practically the worst run blocking line in the NFL) -- we've used only 3 premium picks for the O-line -- that comes to only 13% of our premium selections. Compare that to an expected frequency of 22.7% -- that is 5 offensive linemen / 22 starters = 22.7!

**Unlike the offensive line, the Giants have definitely paid attention to their defensive line -- devoting 6 premium selections to this unit.


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They've had bad luck with injuries to at least 4 players: David Wilson, Chad Jones, Terrell Thomas, Kenny Phillips. That's 17% of their premium picks right there;

** On the plus side, my opinion is:
Hakeem Nicks
Jason Pierre-Paul
Linval Joseph
Prince Amukamara
Jonathan Hankins
OBJ.

That's 6 players -- or 26% hit rate;

** On the minus side (some of these big minuses), my opinion is:
Clint Sintim
Ramses Barden
Travis Beckum
Marvin Austin
Jerrel Jernigan

That's 5 players -- or a 22% miss rate;

** Serviceable players (highly subjective):
William Beatty
Mario Manningham (but I'll never forget his playoff catches against SF & the Pats!!!)
Rueben Randall
Justin Pugh

That's 4 players -- or a 17% "OK Servicable" rate

** Players who will end up as "Hits", "Misses" or "Servicable" but I'm not sure yet:
Jay Bromley
Weston Richburg
Damontre Moore
Jayron Holsey (leaning "Miss")

That's 4 players -- or a 17% "I'm Not SUre Yet" rate.


seems a little harsh on Will Beatty  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/1/2015 8:19 am : link
It seems to me that he has had one bad season and otherwise has done a good job. He isn't an all pro but a guy you can win with.
Peter...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 8:29 am : link

...you could argue moving Beatty from "Servicable" to "Good".

That's a tough one.

I will say this about the former Husky -- this was a huge, big test year for him given his putrid performance the year before after signing a big, fat contract.

He help up OK in 2014.

But no one would ever confuse him with a Pro Bowl player... or even a player one notch below Pro Bowl.

He's at least two notches below Pro Bowl.
Pro Football Focus on Beatty's play last season  
Ira : 3/1/2015 8:46 am : link
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Stud: There was a feeling that Will Beatty may have phoned it in after getting his big pay deal. Yeah well that feeling has been vanquished with him our top-ranked left tackle this year. A combination of efficiency in pass protection and ultra activity in the run game.
Don't get the Beatty hate.  
drkenneth : 3/1/2015 8:47 am : link
LT is probably the 2nd/3rd hardest position to fill on a team. He's done fine.

People here want a HOF player, but they want it cheap. Can't have Pro-Bowlers at every position.
Good work as far as it goes.... but  
JohnB : 3/1/2015 9:00 am : link
In 2013, the Giants changed their approach to drafting. Instead of high ceiling player, those with a lot of potential, they started drafting high production, high quality, team captain type of players. I believe that they see that for every JPP, you have to draft a lot of players who will never pan out, so they are going in a new direction.

Personally I think the 2013 and 2014 were very good drafts but the ones before that, where they were going for "potential" basically sucked.

I like this new direction.
RE: Pro Football Focus on Beatty's play last season  
Big Blue '56 : 3/1/2015 9:06 am : link
In comment 12157680 Ira said:
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Stud: There was a feeling that Will Beatty may have phoned it in after getting his big pay deal. Yeah well that feeling has been vanquished with him our top-ranked left tackle this year. A combination of efficiency in pass protection and ultra activity in the run game.



Never knew this..Thanks for the tidbit, Ira
M.S. thanks for the detailed analysis  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 9:23 am : link
This helps bring to light what a few posters have been saying.

You could even go all the way back to 2004 to get more data points and a bit clearer picture.

Premium positions are considered to be QB, WR, CB, and DL with LT included more due to reports heard about a few being possible targets rather than an actual selection itself. Within the DL designation, DE can be any round while DT is usually round 2 or 3.

Another part of the analysis which is a little harder to quantify is how often NYG chose closest BPA at a need position vs. Strict BPA. My understanding is if the need is considerable and a player is on the same tier but not necessarily strict BPA, the pick will likely be that player at the need position. However if there is a player that is glaring BPA in a tier above ,he would likely be the selection.

What does this say about this draft? I think WR is enough of a need along with it's consideration as a top premium position that it could very likely be the pick. With the 3 of Cooper, White and Parker it could be the strength of the draft in the 10 top relative to system fits for the Giants. Pass rusher is also quite strong however not many fit the Giants dynamic (unless significant shift in system or thinking round 2 under Spagnuolo).
Beatty's an above average LT  
giants#1 : 3/1/2015 9:33 am : link
which puts him in the "good" category. Pugh still has some developing to do and can move up to that category as well.

Randle - depends how you define "good". I think his ceiling is a legit #2 WR who can put up good numbers taking advantage of soft coverages. He's definitely starting WR quality, which you could argue makes him a "good" player.

Hosley - what more do you need to see? He's awful and was lower on the depth chart than street FAs last year.

RE: M.S. thanks for the detailed analysis  
giants#1 : 3/1/2015 9:37 am : link
In comment 12157699 Coach Mason said:
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Another part of the analysis which is a little harder to quantify is how often NYG chose closest BPA at a need position vs. Strict BPA. My understanding is if the need is considerable and a player is on the same tier but not necessarily strict BPA, the pick will likely be that player at the need position. However if there is a player that is glaring BPA in a tier above ,he would likely be the selection.


The problem with the whole "need vs BPA" talk is that after the first 10 picks or so, it's highly likely that there are going to be multiple players at multiple positions all rated roughly equal. And if there are 2 players rated roughly the same and one plays a position of need, then you obviously take the player at the needed position (and can also claim you went "BPA").

Unless you pick top 10 (this year it seems more top 3), it's rare that a player truly better than everyone else on your board will be available. The one instance I can remember recently was Prince unexpectedly dropping.
On the Beatty front  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 9:37 am : link
LT is one of the toughest positions to draft an elite player outside of round 1. So many teams are on the lookout for one and subsequently are thoroughly evaluating for the position. If memory serves, Giants landed Beatty at the bottom of round 2.

While he is not the 'blue-goose' LT in the mold of a Tyron Smith, Joe Thomas, Joe Staley, maybe even Nate Solder , he has proven to be quite serviceable at the position. However he is making around 8 million next year and if we can find an cost-controlled upgrade Giants may go for it.

This particular draft is interesting because there are some OL with really good feet that project well to LT but didn't necessarily dominate in college.

Due to lack of production along with the high number of quality red-chippers in this draft, a couple of those guys (Jake Fisher, Clemmings, less likely there DJ Humphries) may drop into the top of round 2 and may be in the conversation for the pick.
Bad Picks  
Samiam : 3/1/2015 9:40 am : link
For those picks, you need to distinguish between those players who really sucked and those you got hurt especially career ending. By your standard, Greg Jones (is that the LSU safety in the car accident) was a bad pick. Austin and Barden were truly bad picks. Sintim was on his way to being bad pick but career ended too early; maybe they would have put him back at DE where he was good in college. I think Beckum was carving out a role as a mismatch receiver but he was also career ending. Not sure if Jernigan's situation if he's done with the Giants. Would have helped if he played last year when Cruz went down.
Your "Serviceable" players were/are all starters  
David B. : 3/1/2015 9:42 am : link
That's what you want. If you get some stars, great, but if you're drafting solid starters, that's a good return.

Folks don't seem to remember that Manningham was more than just the SB46 catch. He was damn good, and made a lot of big plays in that offense before his injury. He was better than Randle has been thus far.
By the Way  
Samiam : 3/1/2015 9:44 am : link
Reese was the GM for the 2007 draft. The premium picks would have been Ross, Smith and Alford. Injuries there to with Smith and Alford - bad luck. Ross would have been bad but for his play in the playoffs and especially SB twice,
What also should be mentioned is the Giants' priorities  
BillT : 3/1/2015 9:44 am : link
It's obvious from this analysis that the Giants favor three positions with their premium picks. WR, DL. DB. Almost 70% of their premium picks fall into those three positions. This is where they want the top talent to be. That is their philosophy and it isn't going to change. You can count on two of their three top picks to come from this group. The folks that last year and this were or are predicting multiple OL picks, for instance, weren't and won't be right.
Criticizing WIll Beatty's contract is fair and reasonable.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/1/2015 9:55 am : link
Criticizing his selection at #60 is pretty ridiculous. Injuries set him back a season or two; but by year four he was absolutely everything you could reasonably ask of a late second-round pick. He was an good pick in a rather weak draft. The next two tackles taken in 2009, Brewster (DAL) and Urbik (PIT) in the first half of the third round, were waived the next year.
appricate the research but disagree with some of your logic  
George from PA : 3/1/2015 9:56 am : link
All positions are not created equal.

2011 draft is coming off a Super Bowl victory......which has several affects. Team will not have a too many of opening for rookies, if any......coaches hesitent to change....picks will be more swings for the fences (riskier)

I would compare draft to other teams success/failures to get a more accurate picture of draft.......I suspect our numbers are good.

Draft is not perfect for everyone....

The safeties picks were decimated by injuries.......wow

Jerigan lack of success has something to do with Cruz......an undrafted fa.

Reuban and Beatty......are starting......really?
Injuries played a significant role in most of the busts.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/1/2015 9:57 am : link
We'll never know what might have happened if they had made it through three or four years without getting hurt.
I would add Manningham to the 'good picks' list.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/1/2015 9:59 am : link
The only fair criticism there would be that his knee problems dated back to 2006, so it's not a total fluke that he struggled to stay healthy as a pro.
Some very interesting comments/observations...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:03 am : link
...many of which I agree with.

I would like to re-emphasize, however, a couple of key points that may have gotten a bit lost since they came toward the end of the post.

We have stayed away from drafting LBers with premium picks-- and we have one of the weakest LBing corps in all of pro football. And our weak LBing corp is a crucial reason why we are a very, very weak team at the POA.

We have also devoted -- relatively speaking -- very few premium picks to the offensive line. (Clearly, one has to look at this in the context of Free Agency activity.) But at the end of the day, it is not a coincidence IMO that the Giants are also one of the weakest run blocking teams in the NFL.

And that leads to one last conclusion.

We cannot play winning football if we are BOTH weak in the run game and weak at stopping the run game.

It is axiomatic.


Coach Mason...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:15 am : link
a couple of things.

(1) In regard to your following words on how we draft, this is precisely my understanding as well:

"Another part of the analysis which is a little harder to quantify is how often NYG chose closest BPA at a need position vs. Strict BPA. My understanding is if the need is considerable and a player is on the same tier but not necessarily strict BPA, the pick will likely be that player at the need position. However if there is a player that is glaring BPA in a tier above ,he would likely be the selection."


(2) I think Cooper, White and Parker may all turn out to be very, very fine Pro WRs -- but I'm of the opinion that WR is not a need pick for us -- at least not in the context of the need I believe we have at LB and OL.
George from PA...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:22 am : link
...I agree with you that overall our premium picks have been pretty good.

I didn't look at the past 7 Drafts in their entirety so I can't really assess versus other teams.

But, maybe, implicitly we can.

Whether due to injuries, bad luck or just bad overall draft selections, the Giants find themselves sorta near the bottom looking up.

I don't think it's unfair, therefore, to say our overall drafting has been bad-middling.

That said, I still feel that our Premium Picks have been good overall.
RE: Coach Mason...  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12157748 M.S. said:
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(2) I think Cooper, White and Parker may all turn out to be very, very fine Pro WRs -- but I'm of the opinion that WR is not a need pick for us -- at least not in the context of the need I believe we have at LB and OL.


Regarding your 2nd point, I think your analysis shows that unless a player is a 'transcendent' talent at a non-premium Giant position i.e TE,LB, non-LT OL, or round 1 DT , we will generally not select that player in round 1.
RE: Pro Football Focus on Beatty's play last season  
area junc : 3/1/2015 10:24 am : link
In comment 12157680 Ira said:
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Quote:


Stud: There was a feeling that Will Beatty may have phoned it in after getting his big pay deal. Yeah well that feeling has been vanquished with him our top-ranked left tackle this year. A combination of efficiency in pass protection and ultra activity in the run game.




could there be any greater example of why PFF sucks? will beatty the #1 LT in the league. holy cow
Pugh should be in good, or in the "we'll see" category  
PatersonPlank : 3/1/2015 10:25 am : link
The guy is more than servicable already. Beatty and Pugh are good, our issue was Center and Guard.
David B...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:26 am : link
...your point about serviceable players is well taken.

My belief for why the Giants are bad today comes down to two very, very lousy Drafts for players who woulda, coulda, shoulda been in their prime today -- that is, the 2011 & 2012 Drafts.

They were just awful.

It's also my opinion that Jerry Reese did not have success in building a team that could run the ball and stop the run. That's hurting us as well.
I don't understand why some think Beatty sucked  
PatersonPlank : 3/1/2015 10:27 am : link
Sure he may not be the PFF #1 LT, and I frankly don't think he was, however he was still good. I don't think PFF is so far off that they are calling the worst LT in the league #1.
PatersonPlank...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:29 am : link
...I don't necessarily disagree with your views of Beatty and Pugh.

But there's one side of me that is assessing these two guys with a very cold calculus:

They represent 2/5 of an offensive line that is one of the worst at running the ball in the NFL.

They may not be the reason... but at bare minimum there is "guilt by association."
area junc...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:33 am : link

...I was sorta wondering about that #1 assessment for W.B, too.
Samiam...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:35 am : link

...I understand and agree with your comments regarding injuries.

JohnB...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:36 am : link

...I think you may be right, and I agree the 2013 & 2014 Drafts were good (or will very shortly turn out to be good), and I just hope we have similar success this year and beyond!
BillT...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 10:43 am : link
...your observation is correct, but maybe the past will predict an overall future pattern, but maybe not any one given individual draft.

Lots of WRs, DLs and DBs for sure, but it's at least possible that Jerry Reese recognizes in this draft that our weakness against the run is due in part to a weak LBing corp that he created by neglecting this position in past Drafts.

In other words, he goes premium pick for LB.

Just a thought.
The same can be said about our run offense. Thus he may go high for O-line as well.


RE: RE: Pro Football Focus on Beatty's play last season  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/1/2015 10:52 am : link
In comment 12157756 area junc said:
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could there be any greater example of why PFF sucks? will beatty the #1 LT in the league. holy cow

Maybe it also illustrates why certain posters should moderate their extreme views and absurd expectations?
I have no opinion one way or the other on PFF,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/1/2015 11:01 am : link
but it is certainly used a lot on here when it suits a poster..

When citing the problems with the OL, it quite often starts with how much Beatty sucks or is no more than average at best
In short, during rounds 1-2-3  
djm : 3/1/2015 11:07 am : link
The Giants focus on DL, DB and WR. They will obviously weigh need with value but it's as clear as day what the Giants value in those early rounds. They like the athletes.

RE: BillT...  
BillT : 3/1/2015 11:12 am : link
In comment 12157778 M.S. said:
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...your observation is correct, but maybe the past will predict an overall future pattern, but maybe not any one given individual draft.

Lots of WRs, DLs and DBs for sure, but it's at least possible that Jerry Reese recognizes in this draft that our weakness against the run is due in part to a weak LBing corp that he created by neglecting this position in past Drafts.

In other words, he goes premium pick for LB.

Just a thought.
The same can be said about our run offense. Thus he may go high for O-line as well.


There is usually one premium pick outside of the priority positions. However, this year especially they have needs in the priority positions as well. WR, and DL for sure and safety possibly, too. And to be fair that one pick could be a first round pick as with Wilson. I think that won't be the case this year but we'll see.
blogger not sure  
area junc : 3/1/2015 11:15 am : link
where ur going w/that. beatty is the worst LT in our own division, but he's the #1 LT in the league??

if thats ur methodology, throw it in the garbage can.
Beatty is a tick above  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 3/1/2015 11:20 am : link
average and would be higher if he actually had a LG playing next to him.
RE: Beatty is a tick above  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 11:23 am : link
In comment 12157820 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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average and would be higher if he actually had a LG playing next to him.


I would say above average with some inconsistency in his game would be an apt description. Is there at 9 a player worthy to upgrade him? That's the 8 million dollar question but I'm leaning more towards no than previously.
MS......i have always have respected your viewpoint and still do  
George from PA : 3/1/2015 11:29 am : link
I would say.....our recent lack of success and more specifically weakness in the trenches is due to several reasons:

It's the NFL way to cycle teams success whether it's draft position, cap, market forces & false expectations and just change of luck.

The trenches (OL & Front 7) cycle takes the longest to replace/improve due to the multi-player inter-connection. Even if we got 5 top OLmen...the experience of playing together matter.

The differences between the best and worse teams are far less especially if key roles are in place.

and

Over the past decade.....only one team has had greater success (New England) and only handful relatively the same (Pittsburgh, Seattle, The Giants, NO, Green Bay, Baltimore).
area junc: PFF has been debated endlessly on BBI and elsewhere.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/1/2015 12:17 pm : link
I think the most reasonable view is that PFF offers one data point among many. While far from definitive, PFF makes an honest attempt at objective, snap-by-snap analysis. In some cases, their grades contradict players' reputations. When that happens, it's sometimes instructive to re-examine our man-crushes on guys like Tyron Smith, Jason Peters and Trent Williams. Maybe we just think they're head-and-shoulders above Will Beatty because at some point (like 2013) they were.

Or you can just say PFF sucks, which seems kind of lazy.
One important note about the context of that PFF comment on Beatty:  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/1/2015 12:21 pm : link
I think it's from Week Six, just before the Giants' season collapsed.
Just to torture myself (and maybe everyone else on this thread)...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 12:22 pm : link
...I took a quick look-see at our 4th and 5th Rounders over the past seven years.

Clearly, a team is doing well if they find a starter from these two Rounds, but that's not an unheard of event.

So... the Giants had 13 Selections at #4 or #5 beginning with the 2008 Draft. Here are a few observations and personal opinions:

(1) We chose 3 LBers (Brian Kehl, Philip Dillard and Jonathan Goff) if for no other reason than we definitely neglected this position in the first three Rounds (having selected only one -- Clint Sintim, who was really a hybrid LB/DE);

(2) So, Jerry Reese definitely tried to balance the scales at LB, reasonably hoping to find a "good" starter or a "good" second-string LB. I think he failed at that;

(3) I think to some degree, Jerry Reese tried the same tactic for the O-Line -- reasonably hoping to pick up a "good" player in the 4th or 5th Round (i.e., Mitch Petrus, James Brewer and Brandon Mosley). I still have hopes for Mosley, but the other two selections are quite painful to even contemplate, and thus -- like the LBer position -- Jerry Reese failed overall;

(4) Of the seven remaining 4/5's, there is -- I think -- only one name where we got real good value, RB Andre Williams. (Numerous injuries held back the other RB, Andre Brown, from ever reaching his full potential).

(5) The jury about "real good value" is still out for Ryan Nassib and Nat Berhe.

So... my bottom line take away:

It is very, very regrettable that we missed at O-Line and LB with our 4's & 5's, because we neglected these two areas with our Premium Picks 1,2 & 3). And, thus, a current Giants team that can't run nor stop the run.
Didn't realize we  
giantgiantfan : 3/1/2015 12:24 pm : link
spent a 3rd on Travis Beckum, thought he was a 4th rounder.
Giantgiantfan: Beckum was a compensatory pick in 2009.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/1/2015 12:41 pm : link
The Giants received the final pick in the third round, #100 overall, for the loss of Gibril Wilson, Kawika Mitchell and Reggie Torbor the previous year. You can look at it as a very late third-round pick or a very early fourth rounder. From a talent-availability standpoint, it's more like a fourth-round pick, since 99 players were off the board.
giantgiantfan...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 12:42 pm : link

...he was a very late 3rd Rounder -- #100 and assigned by the NFL.

We has another pick that year in Round 3 -- #85 Ramses Barden.

Beckum & Barden. They may turn out to be a good law firm some day. Ugh.
a good effort but I'm not sure about your catagorization  
chris r : 3/1/2015 12:42 pm : link
It should be based on value for where selected. For example, getting a starting caliber LT in the second round for example is much better value than getting a starting caliber RT in the first round.
Big Blue Blogger...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 12:43 pm : link

...interesting, I always thought of Wilson and Mitchell as pretty stout against the run game.
chris r...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 12:45 pm : link

...very true.
Not so fast with that analysis.  
Red Dog : 3/1/2015 1:26 pm : link
Two of your six "good" picks (Nicks and Joseph) left as free agents after their first contract, and Nicks dogged it badly in his final year with the G-men, so the team did not and will not get anywhere near full value from those picks.

You expect a premium draft pick to have an extended career with your team, and you simply can not constantly churn guys and still build a winning team. So two of those guys get an asterisk for a sub-standard (short) career with the GIANTS.

Furthermore, Beatty is only an average LT at best. He's has one awful season, is not a dominant run blocker, and is no more than an average pass protector when the chips are down. I was very much in favor of drafting him and was overjoyed when the GIANTS got him, but I do not think he has lived up to expectations. He's probably a guy you can win with if there is a lot of other strong talent around him, which is not the case now, but he's not a guy that you win with due to his presence in the lineup.
M.S.  
Rjanyg : 3/1/2015 1:51 pm : link
Kennard was a 5th round pick last year. He looks to be a keeper
Rjanyg...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 2:14 pm : link

...ahhh!!!

Thanks for correcting me on that. I left Kennard off the second list.

So, in essence, Jerry Reese went with 4 LBers in the 4/5 hole over the past seven drafts, and definitely Kennard sure seems more like a keeper than Brian Kehl, Philip Dillard or Jonathan Goff!

Keeping my fingers crossed with this guy. He sure looked good last year when healthy!
Anyone who buys the bullshit that PFF is pushing about Beatty  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/1/2015 3:45 pm : link
probably answers those emails from their Nigerian uncle. He's average. Sure he played better than in 2013. Wasn't hard. All he had to do isa not be one of the worst in the NFL.

Go down the list of LTs inn the NFL. Easy to find 10 guys better than him. PFF is a scam other than snap counts.
Draft  
stretch234 : 3/1/2015 4:28 pm : link
I think you can debate that a 3rd pick is considered premium when historically you have a 50-50 shot of just finding a starter

Premium picks are the top 2 rounds

You also have to look at who was available when we picked. There were so few LB to get at the time we picked is ridiculous. Also what players in the top couple rounds would you not have drafted

It is also a fact that injuries effect who needs to get drafted. You would not have to keep drafting WR if Smith and Nicks did not get hurt. You also lost Thomas, Wilson, Philips and Sintim to career ending injuries at 26 or younger. Not to mention C Jones

people continue to bitch about Reese and the OL because he did not draft Alex Mack or Cordy Glenn. The staff never gets a morsel of criticism for not developing any OL, when every other NFL team can do so
Jonathan Goff was a keeper, a decent starting Mike,  
BlueLou : 3/1/2015 4:40 pm : link
Whose career was derailed by a knee injury. Get your fooking facts straight or stfu.

An nfl average starting Mike from a 5th round selection is good drafting. He may have become above average or good even, we will never know.
Alex Mack was taken before the Giants  
BlueLou : 3/1/2015 4:42 pm : link
First round selection his year. They had no shot at him!
One last point. and don't get me wrong,  
BlueLou : 3/1/2015 4:49 pm : link
I'd love the Giants to improve their OL. But roasting the OL for the lack of a running game, while our RB corps was mediocre at best, is a canard. This team needs a stud RB...
stretch234...  
M.S. : 3/1/2015 5:14 pm : link
...no doubt some combination of bad luck (injuries) and bad drafting has got the Giants where they are today -- a lower tier team on the outside looking in.

But I'm of the opinion that we are who we are -- not because we haven't selected enough WRs or Defensive Linemen -- but because we haven't selected enough players who can run block and stop the run.
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