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| Even the NFL's second-tier defensive ends, like the Seahawks' Michael Bennett or the Buccaneers' Michael Johnson received a contract in the $8-10 million range annually, and Pierre-Paul's raw numbers probably placed him in the $10-12 million range. That number might be too rich for the Giants' tastes, given the fact that Pierre-Paul has an injury history, with back and shoulder problems, and a motor that tends to run hot and cold. term, that $14-15 million in salary will make Pierre-Paul very happy. But it doesn't mean he would necessarily be any closer to retiring as a Giant. Assuming Pierre-Paul plays under the tag in 2015, the Giants could use that year to evaluate him further and see if a healthy, motivated Pierre-Paul can sustain his good production at the end of 2014 through an entire season. It's a gamble, to be sure, but one that could be mitigated by how the Giants use their No. 9 pick in the draft this spring. There are several top defensive end prospects projected to go in the top 10-15 picks, including Florida's Dante Fowler Jr. and Nebraska's Randy Gregory. If the Giants use their top pick on one of those players, it gives them the potential leverage they need in contract negotiations with Pierre-Paul. If Pierre-Paul has a banner 2015, another double-digit sack season with his typically strong play against the run, then the Giants are protected by having a young replacement on their roster if he prices himself out of their budget next offseason. This is why it is so important for Reese to hit on his top pick, and why selecting another wide receiver in the first round is an unnecessary luxury for the team if the contract stalemate with Pierre-Paul isn't resolved by the draft. Even with Pierre-Paul on the roster next season, the defensive line is sorely in need of an upgrade, and a player like Fowler or Gregory would give defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo an opportunity to recreate the relentless pass rush that the Giants rode to Super Bowl victories in 2007 and 2011. If everything broke right, meaning Pierre-Paul stays healthy and has a good season, Fowler or Gregory or another defensive end prospect shows promise as a rookie, and their salary cap remained in good health after the 2015 season, then it's a win-win for the Giants. They get another crack at keeping Pierre-Paul in a Giants' uniform next winter, and have a rising stud on the defensive line to pair him or replace him with. |
And yes, WR is a luxury in the current league. If the rules change again, then maybe that changes as well.
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This is why it is so important for Reese to hit on his top pick, and why selecting another wide receiver in the first round is an unnecessary luxury for the team if the contract stalemate with Pierre-Paul isn't resolved by the draft.
Yup, that's where he lost me.
Bingo.
Can you imagine if the Arizona Cardinals said they couldn't take Larry Fitzgerald in 2004 draft because Anquan Boldin just had an amazing rookie season? With a top 10 pick, draft the BPA.
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BPA. If that's a DE, terrific, but right now the projections lean towards a WR before a DE.
Bingo.
Can you imagine if the Arizona Cardinals said they couldn't take Larry Fitzgerald in 2004 draft because Anquan Boldin just had an amazing rookie season? With a top 10 pick, draft the BPA.
And 1. Plus Spags should shift JPP to LDE & let Moore or a pick either sink or swim @ RDE, imo
I am fine with that.
I do think they'll take a DE though, sometime in the first three rounds.
If Dupree impresses on the bench at his pro-day, I think he moves up big time! Then again, I am the one who liked Armstead, what do I know!
THE ONLY QUESTION TO BE ASKED HERE IS GIVE ME A TRUE ASSESMENT WHERE JPP RANKS RELATIVE TO THE TOP 10 DE...BASED ON PRODUCTION, YOUTH, AND POTENTIAL UPSIDE...THATS ALL!!
Bottom line is he only had 3.5 sacks thru the 1st 11 games. He had 9 in the last 5 games against less than steller offenses. The $12-13m/yr figure is on the high side unless it is incentive laden. JMHO.
^This.
All pass rushers pile up sacks against bad teams. There is a reason those teams are bad. It isn't unique to JPP. Half of JJ Watt's sacks came agains the Jags and the Titans.
I disagree. It's not a luxury. Our offense has 1 good player, and we still have to see how he handles year 2. Bill B called it a "Cruz and Nicks game", well what is it now? OBJ and....? Surround Eli with talent so he can be productive during these last years. These numbers may be the difference between HOF and not. He showed he can do well in this system. Let's add to the skill players and give him the players to excel.
So I disagree with the notion that it's a luxury.
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This is why it is so important for Reese to hit on his top pick, and why selecting another wide receiver in the first round is an unnecessary luxury.
I disagree. It's not a luxury. Our offense has 1 good player, and we still have to see how he handles year 2. Bill B called it a "Cruz and Nicks game", well what is it now? OBJ and....? Surround Eli with talent so he can be productive during these last years. These numbers may be the difference between HOF and not. He showed he can do well in this system. Let's add to the skill players and give him the players to excel.
So I disagree with the notion that it's a luxury.
I assume you mean one good weapon not player (Eli?). But how many good weapons does NE and Seattle have? Beckham is already Gronk or Lynch caliber. The rest of the skill position players on both teams are pretty average and I think the Giants compare well. The problem is that on the OL and on defense, those teams kick the Giants ass.
So we could use another weapon but we certainly don't need one IMO.
I'm thinking that if JPP looks too expensive, the Giants could give a lot more weight to drafting a possible replacement. If they take a DE, it may very well signal the final year of JPP as a Giant.
I have no 1st round favorite pick this year but since last month, Fowler is my predicted Giants pick if he's there. Spags would be very happy with a young speedster he could play at OLB or anywhere on the line (for some plays).
They got McAdoo a shiney new WR, they might get Spags a guy he really wants this year. Our defense up front, well,...frankly it sucks.
NE is always on autopilot. They maximize their talents. They don't have a boner for balance like we do or try to maintain. If Bill feels like he needs Brady to throw 283182 a game, then so be it. They play to their strengths and that's why both are all time greats. It's amazing how they be successful year after year.
Having said that now, I couldn't give two shits what those teams have. I care about my team and increasing the firepower of our offense which is just 1 player. Plus I want to see how he can do in his 2nd season now that everyone knows about him. That would mean someone would need to step up. I saw countless times when Eli did have time to pass, that no one got open. That was painful to see. When finally he gets time, and no one can find space to get open.
So now that Eli is 34, I want more talent surrounding him. It's not like we can't go what we need and limited to 1 draft pick for the whole draft. We still have free agency and the draft to round out our roster. I am not worried about filling areas of concern.
Health, nobody is really 100% healthy in the NFL all the time. Is there a health clause that could be put in the language lol. Pay JPP or pay Suh but leveraging him with 'Gregory' is not going to work when he can get the money elsewhere. Just put 12 as the hard limit w/incentives.
Good rookie year. Best player on a super bowl champion. Solid 3rd year. Slipped in his 4th year following surgery but still managed to play most games and still played against the run. Bounce back 5th season that saw him mget better as the year progressed...
We know JPP can play here. We know he can play through injuries. We know he can dominate in big spots and literally carry a defense in January and February. We know the defensive talent base slipped badly in 2012 and 2014 yet JPP still played well. We know when the talent is in place JPP is the best player on this defense and a top 3 DE in all of football.
We also know that JPP got hurt and has the back thing and that's certainly something to be leery of but in the NFL injuries are always a concern. Every player is a risk. JPP showed that he is pretty far removed from any back issues and the surgery he got performed (microdiscectomy) is the least invasive and easiest back surgery to deal with.
I really really really don't want to FT JPP. But we pretty much have to re-sign him. I'd rather be wrong and re-sign him then be wrong and let him walk.
And just remember JPP's first 5 years completely dwarf Strahan's first five years. It's not even close actually. The guy has a chance to put together a very special career. He needs to stay a Giant. If i'm wrong so be it...that's life.