Nick Kypreos @RealKyper 53s54 seconds ago
Apologies to Girardi. Told he is now not expected in the deal. It's Moore , Duclair and mult'draft picks. #NHLtrade. #Rangers #Coyotes.
in Hank coming back to have made this deal. Yandle is fine, but I never would have given up 2 very good prospects for him... let alone a draft pick on top of that.
Because Yandle's bread and butter is being a PP QB and a PMD. That's exactly what Boyle was supposed to do for us.
B) This isn't win now. This is win right fucking now. We're losing first rounders left and right and now we lost arguably our top prospect.
Boyle is going to be paired with Staal and Yandle is going to be paired with Klein. You can't have Boyle paired with Yandle. I really hope Sather trades Boyle and he waives his NMC
Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger 5s6 seconds ago
So complete deal Yandle and Summers and a 4th for Duclair, Moore a 1st (2016) and a 2nd in 2015. Yotes retain 50% of Yandle's salary.
Well-done, Sather. All of this could've been avoided if you fucking signed Stralman instead of Boyle.
Slats compounds the Boyle signing with this move! Really upset we won't be able to see Duclair develop before our eyes and I'm convinced we'll never see another1st round draft pick while the cigar chomper is in charge.
Couldn't he have thrown Kristo or Haggerty in the deal? Just so tough to see the kid go.
Who's a big hockey nut, says Rangers are getting one of top power play defense-man in entire league. Also great at starting a 'fast break' with a quick/accurate first pass out of defensive end. That could make a pretty fast team utilize it's speed even better.
4 D without giving up any pieces on our current roster. Duclair was a prospect we have young wingers right now playing in the NHL. The Rangers are going for it and should be.
More assets given up for a guy who doesn't address a need.
Oh, he addresses a need. He's a PMD, PP QB, which is a huge need. The problem is that Boyle was supposed to fill that need and that fell flat on its face.
On a side note, Katie Strang is reporting on her twitter feed
You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse
28 years old. This is different than adding Boyle or MSL on their last legs.
Fine but he's a free agent after next season. Our window just went from about the next 5 years to these next two seasons. After that we're completely fucked salary cap wise.
28 years old. This is different than adding Boyle or MSL on their last legs.
Fine but he's a free agent after next season. Our window just went from about the next 5 years to these next two seasons. After that we're completely fucked salary cap wise.
This is when I wish cap geek was still around because it'd be interesting to look at that. But we've got a lot of core pieces locked up. Hayes looks like a keeper, Stepan will surely get his extension, and there are still good young forwards that could make it up soon. I think we have a bigger window than you believe. I think the window will pretty much correspond to whenever Hank exits his prime.
You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse
The next relevant thing you say on hockey threads will be your first.
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to think about me, I can deal with your delusion. Get a little self awareness and realize how consistently stupid you make yourself look on any thread, regarding any sport.
You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse
The next relevant thing you say on hockey threads will be your first.
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to think about me, I can deal with your delusion. Get a little self awareness and realize how consistently stupid you make yourself look on any thread, regarding any sport.
Like you should talk. You think your word is gospel the rare times you come on to a hockey thread and grace us with your presence. Your rhetoric and schtick is old and tired.
If it was up to you, our team would be Tanner Glass, Tim Kennedy, the Hanson Brothers and the Bash Brothers, so shut the fuck up.
since his return to the Q. He is far from a sure thing. Second: There is no way the Rangers can win a cup with a third pair of Boyle-Moore Hunwick. Boyle is toast.
Blaming Sather is predictable but isn't he the guy who guided the Rangers within 3 overtime losses to the cup. Isn't he the guy who managed to sign Hayes who is and will be a much better player than Duclair. Isn't he the guy who got Nash and Brassard. I think Sather deserves at least a little trust here.
Third: the Rangers may feel that either or both Miller and Buchnevich have more upside than Duclair. If by some miracle they can keep Zuke and Hags or even one of them, would there even be a place for Duclair.
Getting rid of Moore = addition by subtraction.
There is no one on the Rangers defense who gets the puck on net consistently from the point. Boyle once had the knack. but no longer. He's not even on the first pp any more. Yandle is acknowledged as one of the best playmakers in league and to get him you have to give something up. I have a hunch some of the Sather haters here are the same guys who threw their remotes when we took OBJ instead of AD, or ZM. Give the trade a chance and maybe you'll see the wisdom if it.
I'll be glad to see JT stick around. I still think he has great potential. The kid is 21 years old. Guys like him, Hayes, stepan, Kreider, etc. make me think we're not just all or nothing for these next two seasons. There is still young talent here.
since his return to the Q. He is far from a sure thing. Second: There is no way the Rangers can win a cup with a third pair of Boyle-Moore Hunwick. Boyle is toast.
Blaming Sather is predictable but isn't he the guy who guided the Rangers within 3 overtime losses to the cup. Isn't he the guy who managed to sign Hayes who is and will be a much better player than Duclair. Isn't he the guy who got Nash and Brassard. I think Sather deserves at least a little trust here.
Third: the Rangers may feel that either or both Miller and Buchnevich have more upside than Duclair. If by some miracle they can keep Zuke and Hags or even one of them, would there even be a place for Duclair.
Getting rid of Moore = addition by subtraction.
There is no one on the Rangers defense who gets the puck on net consistently from the point. Boyle once had the knack. but no longer. He's not even on the first pp any more. Yandle is acknowledged as one of the best playmakers in league and to get him you have to give something up. I have a hunch some of the Sather haters here are the same guys who threw their remotes when we took OBJ instead of AD, or ZM. Give the trade a chance and maybe you'll see the wisdom if it.
Sather "guides" a team to one final and he deserves the b.o.d? Let's just ignore the other 14 years of falling short? Lets trump up his decent deals and ignore all the kissing away of assets and first rounders in a salary cap sport where you need to grow from within and the consistent winners are the teams who play their young guys, keep most of their picks and rarely make a move that robs depth while adding a non need?
I'll be glad to see JT stick around. I still think he has great potential. The kid is 21 years old. Guys like him, Hayes, stepan, Kreider, etc. make me think we're not just all or nothing for these next two seasons. There is still young talent here.
I wonder if Arizona wanted JT instead of Duclair? Or whether Sather offered JT instead of Duclair and Maloney insisted on Duclair.
OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired Carl Klingberg from WPG in exchange for Lee Stempniak.
Alright... don't know much about this kid but happy to get a 24 year old for Stempniak. Of course, I guess this means Glass stays in the lineup even with Fast back. Of course he does!
He's not going to play here this year unless there are injuries. He's also only on a 1 year deal so either we are planning on hanging onto him beyond that or this was just a straight salary dump to clear a little space.
if the Rangers made another move. I think this is the playoff roster.... just have to hope Hank makes a healthy recovery at this point.
It's going to be a bitch to get out of the Metro division playoffs let alone the Eastern Conference regardless of today's moves (which is why I don't like this Yandle trade). Is what it is. Just get ready for some atrocious hockey at the Garden from 2019-2025.
Its not like we gave up an extra prospect / pick to Arizona because Dolan cared about paying an extra $5 million to a player over two years. We gave up the premium for the cap space.
And that website you linked said Yandle at $2.7 mm for this year and next... his salary is $5.5
Both 'bergs plus Skaps is almost $2M, if they're all sent down
The Daily News has learned that Zuccarello, 27, and the Rangers have agreed on the numbers of a four-year, $18 million extension ($4.5 million per year), and all that's holding up the deal are negotiations on the forms of protection in the contract, such as a no-trade clause. Link - ( New Window )
rennan Klak @nhlupdate 1m1 minute ago
Rangers acquire James Sheppard from the Sharks
There's your C. I remember he was a very high draft pick too
NHL.com says he's a left winger.
He might play both ala Hayes. NHL.com lists him as a Center. No idea what his natural position is. I just remember he was a top draft pick 9 years ago.
Slow as shit Keith Yandle. Fucking awesome return for a blue chip prospect and a decent depth defenseman. And here I thought I could not get angrier than losing on a DZ shorty last night. just a terribly shortsighted deal. God forbid the Rangers ever develop a young scoring winger of their own when they can trade for Keith fucking Yandle and give up a shit load for him, too.
He's a defenseman who can score but is neither fast nor physical and stinks in his own end. OEL he ain't- now THAT is a great player.
If the Rangers had to give up Duclair, the least they could have done was to demand that Arizona take Girardi'Girardi ' s albatross of a contract off their hands.
Don't forget that Yandle is only under contract for one more year too
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
I think firsts are overrated in isolation, but doling out so many is going to take a toll. Drafts are probabilistic exercises more than anything else, imo, making the continuous expenditures costly.
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
Yandle is better than any of those players by a decent amount. He plays for a black hole of a team and still manages to rack up points. It's likely going to be a breath of fresh air to play for this team compared to there. I'm confused why people are sort of underrating his quality and how much of a ridiculous bargain his contract is. It's not too easy to find puck movers like him any year nor in any trade
I think firsts are overrated in isolation, but doling out so many is going to take a toll. Drafts are probabilistic exercises more than anything else, imo, making the continuous expenditures costly.
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Exactly. Duclair will be good and it will suck to watch but they only do this because they have what they consider a top six core locked in for years. And they want to win with this goalie.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
implying the Rangers can't deal Yandle themselves next year at the deadline. If they are primed to win again then keep him and go for it again, otherwise Yandle for 2.5 million will attract A LOT of attention from a contending teams. I don't see this team falling out. They are built very well for the future as well. There is a good amount of young talent on this roster.
'They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.'
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
Are going all in, that is for certain, I am not sure what to think about it all. People saying Yandle is an OK skater are on Mars, he is a great skater, that is for sure, he is a legit offensive force, but he can make mistakes and takes some bad chances. He is the type of player that could be the piece that finally makes this power play work, but time will tell. I will only say that this is a wait and se type deal,, can not conclude right now, but this has weakened the future for the present, that a blind man could see though. Rangers are always doing things like this though, I will say the news of Zucc signing for 4.5 for 4 is good news. I guess this means it is the end of the road for St. Louis, so you can really start to kill the Callahan trade if the Rangers fall short of a cup this year, no doubt about that. Never was and never will be a fan of Sather, he is a fucking arrogant idiot. Was great in Edmonton, then fell in love with himself with all the cups, came he and has sucked up until now, and now is making some really questionable moves that must work now or we are going to look back and be really pissed. Oh well, I love Hayes and JT Miller, and glad they will be here.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
Since he sucks in his own end.....no. way too much belly aching about PPQBs and face offs around here. Both are massively overrated subjects.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
I quoted 5x5 Corsi, had nothing to do with his powerplay skills which are excellent.
I'm also not in a position to weigh in on whether the guys ice time is sheltered - he's logged the 9th most minutes in the NHL this year though, so I find that hypothesis hard to believe.
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
You know that won't be the fourth lune. Just accept it.
For the first time in his career. My mistake - I knew he'd been notoriously sheltered both in QofC and O zone starts throughout his career and just assumed that wad still true.
For the first time in his career. My mistake - I knew he'd been notoriously sheltered both in QofC and O zone starts throughout his career and just assumed that wad still true.
A player who has the goods on the offensive end the way Yandle does is always going to have sheltered zone starts. It would be terrible coaching if he didn't.
for the last five seasons. How much could he possibly be sheltered? Greg, no offense but how much of the Coyotes have you watched lately to be able to make such definitive statements on the guy?
Sheppard winning faceoffs, just because they read it somewhere and it sounds good. The guy has taken enough faceoffs in his career to only be listed under NHL.Com's stat section once in his entire career. And that was back in 08-09 with the Wild and he was shit...at 41.5%. So please stop with the center and faceoff talk. He is a bottom 6 winger and will not be helping Hayes in the circle.
The only thing I care about with Sheppard is that he pushes Glass..
Amen. Getting Glass off the ice is almost as big an upgrade as replacing John Moore with Yandle. Somehow I think AV will still find a way to get his favorite caveman in the lineup though.
on potential buyout for Boyle, saving $3M on the cap next season (pushing $1.5M onto the following season).
Unless he suddenly finds the fountain of yute they should be doing their due diligence in exploring any avenue to rid themselves of Boyle's contract. For now, we have to hope he can be effective without being a liability.
There will only be one year left on Boyle's contract this summer
Timmonen just had trade value coming off a 9 month blood clot injury.
There will be a market for Boyle - you just have to hope he waives the NTC since he'll be at best a 3rd line D man here next season and maybe wants a bigger role somewhere else.
is if he just agrees to stay with the Islanders, we never sign him, maybe instead get more aggressive with Stralman... and Isles probably never pull off the Boychuk/Leddy deal day either.
I doubt that Yandle will be paired with Boyle, in fact that would be shocking, except on the power play. I see Boyle playing with Staal, and Yandle with Klein. Pairing Yandle and Boyle could be dangerous, but time will tell, and how it starts does not mean it will end that way, remember that too.
Nothing ever changes with the Rangers no matter who is
running them. They have been making these kinds of trades since forever and have 1 fucking Stanley Cup to show for it in 75 years.
In a hard cap system, you HAVE TO HAVE A PIPELINE OF YOUNG PLAYERS coming up. They now have traded arguably their best prospect and ANOTHER #1 pick for a guy who is a good, not great player on a bad team who is turnover prone. AND they don't have a #1 until 2018 now? (please correct me if I am wrong on that) And no #2 this year? Even if they win the Cup (no guarantee there) this sets them back years.
The only one of these trade that ever produced a Cup was the Messier trade and that took 3 years and they barely hung on. Let's hope this doesn't turn into a no Cup trade that looks like Middleton for Hodge.
Sheppard winning faceoffs, just because they read it somewhere and it sounds good. The guy has taken enough faceoffs in his career to only be listed under NHL.Com's stat section once in his entire career. And that was back in 08-09 with the Wild and he was shit...at 41.5%. So please stop with the center and faceoff talk. He is a bottom 6 winger and will not be helping Hayes in the circle.
He's taken 534 FO's this year and won exactly half of them.
I doubt that Yandle will be paired with Boyle, in fact that would be shocking, except on the power play. I see Boyle playing with Staal, and Yandle with Klein. Pairing Yandle and Boyle could be dangerous, but time will tell, and how it starts does not mean it will end that way, remember that too.
Agree they wont be paired. It will be interesting to see if AV switches guys sides, since it seems a bit odd to me that either Staal or Yandle will be a 3rd liner. More likely to me is McD-DG as a steady pair and everyone else in a state of flux -- Staal-Yandle, Staal-Klein, Yandle-Klein, as the situation demands (or switch McD with Staal in that scenario, since he proved in Sochi that he can play RD well).
I see that now that I checked from my computer. Was getting different results when checking from my phone. So he is certainly better at draws than Hayes. But he still isn't going to help there IMO. He doesn't produce enough offensively to bump Miller from the 3rd line wing. Sheppard is a classic 4th liner...tough, good defensively, and can produce some offense. From all the reports I have read, he is much better at wing anyway.
Lines arent sacrosanct. You can generally have a Hayes-Miller-Hags line but substitute someone when that line starts at a faceoff (rather than a change on the fly).
RE: This deal fucking sucks more dick than Tori Black
Slow as shit Keith Yandle. Fucking awesome return for a blue chip prospect and a decent depth defenseman. And here I thought I could not get angrier than losing on a DZ shorty last night. just a terribly shortsighted deal. God forbid the Rangers ever develop a young scoring winger of their own when they can trade for Keith fucking Yandle and give up a shit load for him, too.
If there ever needed to be an endorsement for anything, it would be Jorts knocking it. JFC, just shut up.
for the last five seasons. How much could he possibly be sheltered? Greg, no offense but how much of the Coyotes have you watched lately to be able to make such definitive statements on the guy?
Fuck the "no offense" nonsense. He has no idea what he's talking about. If he's not complaining, he's not posting.
Wait, never mind, I couldn't care less who you are. Look up Yandle's QoC Corsi and o - zone starts and get back to me when you have the faintest idea what the fuck you're talking about beyond "durrrrrrr Keith Yandle ' s been an All Star once or twice! "
on potential buyout for Boyle, saving $3M on the cap next season (pushing $1.5M onto the following season).
Aside from that, wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade Staal in the offseason. In fact, I think the Yandle-Klein pairing has a chance of becoming the second pairing next year, especially if they're confident with McIlrath becoming the third pair RHD.
Aside from that, wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade Staal in the offseason. In fact, I think the Yandle-Klein pairing has a chance of becoming the second pairing next year, especially if they're confident with McIlrath becoming the third pair RHD.
Staal is really underrated by BBI, sometimes I wish he had tested the Free Agent market.
Staal or Yandle at LD3 seems untenable for next season
Yandle-McDonagh (McD played RD very well in Sochi)
Staal-Girardi/Klein
Allen/Skjei-Klein/Girardi
Trade Boyle if possible. Let this be a lesson to Sather -- quit giving out NTC/NMCs. It will prevent us from shopping Girardi for two more seasons, and at that point he might just be unmovable.
How much of his big (-) rating was a product of the team he played on and how much on him? Is it just a coincidence in his first game he was on the ice for the opposition's only goal or is he really a poor defender?
I'd think looking to trade Girardi makes more sense.
I believe Girardi has a no trade clause. Second, his contract makes him a lot tougher to move this offseason than just trying to trade Boyle to a team for the one year left on his deal. Boyle even at a fairly high cap number should be a fairly easy dump - teams need defenders, especially the teams that just dumped guys for draft picks... Philly for example would probably take him.
I know we root for the laundry... but there are certain guys on this roster i want to go to war with the next 3-5 years... if we dont win a Cup with them so be it, but these are the guys I want to live and die with and see hoist a Cup on Garden ice:
-Hank
-Stepan
-Staal
-Girardi (I understand the long-term concerns)
-MZA
-D Moore (because he lost his wife)
Obviously i really like our other players too, thats not the point. But i want to see these guys above rewarded for their commitment to this organization that in most cases extends back to the lockout. A championship with these guys would make it all that much more sweeter and Goddamn it, they deserve it. I deserve it too by the way. Get it done.
I get that, but it shouldn't preclude Sather from trying to find a team DG would accept a trade to, he can make it happen. Moving Staal makes less sense, moving Boyle seems certain, just a matter of how/when.
I suspect the team had that in mind when they extended Girardi. Stepan, MSL, and Hags are the only guys up this off-season, and after next year Kreider is up again.
I don't claim intimate knowledge about the cap, but I have to think those scenarios were in their minds when they re-signed him.
Meaning, they likely had a plan for the first three years
Kreider is the one that worries me the most. I think he could turn into a 30 goal scorer next year and turn into a premier PFD with elite speed. He could turn into a 6 per player and it's going to be hard for us to clear the space.
I definitely share that affinity for guys like Giardi, Staal, and Hank (obviously) who have been here a long time and helped bridge the gap from those somewhat successful Jagr teams to the excellent group we have now. Same reason it was so tough to see Cally go, despite the financial sense that it made.
I never liked Cally as much as most - as a superbly talented individual myself, grit and work ethic don't resonate with me as it does for the less fortunate here.
Also he was a fucking whining diver. Brassard's filled in for him in that regard.
sportrac and nhl numbers are both prorating the cap hits for the new Rangers ... sportrac has them just over the cap, the other site has them about 750k under.
I'd think looking to trade Girardi makes more sense.
Depends if they feel McDonagh can play on the RS. And as Deej said, I don't think it's tenable to have Yandle on the third pairing and we need to open up cap space.
So methinks either Girardi and Staal will be gone. Did Uncle Larry have a brainfart regarding the Boyle buyout and the 35+ rule? Something like:
Rangers Report @rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
Rangers Report @rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
Rangers Report @rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
YES! YES! YES!
Please don't do this yes yes yes bullshit.
Hey man, I'm a wrestling fan. I can do it. Our brothers on the Island can't because they have no idea where it comes from. #AmericanDragon #BryanDanielson
Granted the chant sucks now. The Islanders ruin everything.
Rangers Report @rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
Jettison Boyle...cap crunch solved. Use savings to work on extending young core. We should be able to hang onto two of the CK/Step/Hags trifecta. Replenish from the farm. Team remains a Cup contender throughout Hanks window.
MSL seems to want to finish his career here, but is he willing to take $4M-4.5M? Anything more than $4.5M makes me think we should let him go, which I'm fine with. We have some guys who should be ready for that role next year.
I'd rather keep the kids but Zucc was the one I was worried about losing. Hags is probably next kid out if money gets tight, but I'd also pass on MSL if the space is needed.
I would offer MSL 2.5-3 TOPS and just be like.. we want you here for another year and would like you to finish up as a Ranger but that's all we can offer.
He's been around. He understands the business and knows we have young guys we need to retain. I think there's a chance he takes a significant discount like that to stay and hang them up here.
But it also depends what happens this season. If we win the Cup somehow, I could see him calling it a career there and going out on top.
I could see MSL riding off into the sunset with The Cup
There's no way you offer MSL more than $2.5-3mm next year. Just not worth it. If he wants more, you thank him and keep Hagelin.
He wants to stay in the tri-state area, but the Isles will be in Brooklyn next year so there's always that option for him. Which would be fine - let them overpay what will be a 41 year old.
Frankly I'd almost prefer to keep Hagelin no matter what. I like MSL but the only upside to 41 year olds is apparently Florida will give you a 2nd round pick for one at the deadline if your team sucks.
I believe he signed one year deals but I don't remember. I wish capgeek existed. St. Louis would have to make a choice but the Rangers cannot offer a prohibitive contract.
In a vacuum, a player of MSL's caliber is definitely worth over 3. But he wanted to come here to be closer to Greenwich/his family, he's on a team with Cup aspirations and he's also at the very end of his career which are unique circumstances that could result in him taking less money to play here another year or so and then retire.
I really don't think the guy is at a point where he's just going to say "I'll play for whoever wants to pay me the most"
this has been discussed already...like a million times.
So why not go back to your Isles thread, dumbass?
hudson FTW.
Poor Glass. Right after he starts filling up the stat sheet last night he gets a seat
Loved me some Cam Talbot last night. We survived some shakiness from him early in this stretch by scoring 6 goals a game, but he was a big part of the W last night
I just dont think next year's MSL is worth more than $3 million
to this particular team. We have the veteran leadership, we have depth at the W position, we have younger guys ready for top 6 minutes.
Yes, there probably is a team(s) out there where he would have $4-5 million/year worth... maybe even the Brooklyn team... up to MSL if that's the road he wants to take.
But hopefully Sather stays firm with him when it comes to NYR. Hell, if you were doing a zero-cost budgeting exercise - if MSL was on another team, we really wouldn't be considering him this offseason as a free agent pickup.
Why should things be any different just because he's already here?
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Apologies to Girardi. Told he is now not expected in the deal. It's Moore , Duclair and mult'draft picks. #NHLtrade. #Rangers #Coyotes.
Sather just cant help himself. JFC.
Jesus H Christ, sather
B) This isn't win now. This is win right fucking now. We're losing first rounders left and right and now we lost arguably our top prospect.
Boyle is going to be paired with Staal and Yandle is going to be paired with Klein. You can't have Boyle paired with Yandle. I really hope Sather trades Boyle and he waives his NMC
So complete deal Yandle and Summers and a 4th for Duclair, Moore a 1st (2016) and a 2nd in 2015. Yotes retain 50% of Yandle's salary.
Well-done, Sather. All of this could've been avoided if you fucking signed Stralman instead of Boyle.
He's on a terrible team, his +/- numbers are basically irrelevant.
Couldn't he have thrown Kristo or Haggerty in the deal? Just so tough to see the kid go.
Don't forget, Arizona is covering half his salary. We're getting a former all star defenseman at about 2.5 against the cap. Not bad.
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-31! And we give up our best prospect plus a 1st round pick for him! Ugh.
He's on a terrible team, his +/- numbers are basically irrelevant.
Yeah but for his career his +\- is -34, and last season the Coyotes finished 2pts out of the playoffs and his +/- then was -23.
Oh, he addresses a need. He's a PMD, PP QB, which is a huge need. The problem is that Boyle was supposed to fill that need and that fell flat on its face.
You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse
Fine but he's a free agent after next season. Our window just went from about the next 5 years to these next two seasons. After that we're completely fucked salary cap wise.
Glad it didn't take a year to find another example.
Glad it didn't take a year to find another example.
Yeah, like I'm the only one pissed about this trade...
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28 years old. This is different than adding Boyle or MSL on their last legs.
Fine but he's a free agent after next season. Our window just went from about the next 5 years to these next two seasons. After that we're completely fucked salary cap wise.
This is when I wish cap geek was still around because it'd be interesting to look at that. But we've got a lot of core pieces locked up. Hayes looks like a keeper, Stepan will surely get his extension, and there are still good young forwards that could make it up soon. I think we have a bigger window than you believe. I think the window will pretty much correspond to whenever Hank exits his prime.
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You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse
The next relevant thing you say on hockey threads will be your first.
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to think about me, I can deal with your delusion. Get a little self awareness and realize how consistently stupid you make yourself look on any thread, regarding any sport.
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You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse
The next relevant thing you say on hockey threads will be your first.
Keep telling yourself whatever you need to think about me, I can deal with your delusion. Get a little self awareness and realize how consistently stupid you make yourself look on any thread, regarding any sport.
Like you should talk. You think your word is gospel the rare times you come on to a hockey thread and grace us with your presence. Your rhetoric and schtick is old and tired.
If it was up to you, our team would be Tanner Glass, Tim Kennedy, the Hanson Brothers and the Bash Brothers, so shut the fuck up.
Relax.
It's not the best deal ever made, and it's certainly not the worst deal ever made.
Relax.
It's not the best deal ever made, and it's certainly not the worst deal ever made.
Overreaction? You don't see me jumping off my balcony, do you? I haven't broken anything. I haven't punched a wall.
I don't know that.
Blaming Sather is predictable but isn't he the guy who guided the Rangers within 3 overtime losses to the cup. Isn't he the guy who managed to sign Hayes who is and will be a much better player than Duclair. Isn't he the guy who got Nash and Brassard. I think Sather deserves at least a little trust here.
Third: the Rangers may feel that either or both Miller and Buchnevich have more upside than Duclair. If by some miracle they can keep Zuke and Hags or even one of them, would there even be a place for Duclair.
Getting rid of Moore = addition by subtraction.
There is no one on the Rangers defense who gets the puck on net consistently from the point. Boyle once had the knack. but no longer. He's not even on the first pp any more. Yandle is acknowledged as one of the best playmakers in league and to get him you have to give something up. I have a hunch some of the Sather haters here are the same guys who threw their remotes when we took OBJ instead of AD, or ZM. Give the trade a chance and maybe you'll see the wisdom if it.
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Overreaction? You don't see me jumping off my balcony, do you? I haven't broken anything. I haven't punched a wall.
I don't know that.
Fair enough, but take my word for it.
If LeBron signs with the Knicks or Eli gets traded for a 7th rounder and Mike Glennon, then you'll see a real overreaction.
Blaming Sather is predictable but isn't he the guy who guided the Rangers within 3 overtime losses to the cup. Isn't he the guy who managed to sign Hayes who is and will be a much better player than Duclair. Isn't he the guy who got Nash and Brassard. I think Sather deserves at least a little trust here.
Third: the Rangers may feel that either or both Miller and Buchnevich have more upside than Duclair. If by some miracle they can keep Zuke and Hags or even one of them, would there even be a place for Duclair.
Getting rid of Moore = addition by subtraction.
There is no one on the Rangers defense who gets the puck on net consistently from the point. Boyle once had the knack. but no longer. He's not even on the first pp any more. Yandle is acknowledged as one of the best playmakers in league and to get him you have to give something up. I have a hunch some of the Sather haters here are the same guys who threw their remotes when we took OBJ instead of AD, or ZM. Give the trade a chance and maybe you'll see the wisdom if it.
Sather "guides" a team to one final and he deserves the b.o.d? Let's just ignore the other 14 years of falling short? Lets trump up his decent deals and ignore all the kissing away of assets and first rounders in a salary cap sport where you need to grow from within and the consistent winners are the teams who play their young guys, keep most of their picks and rarely make a move that robs depth while adding a non need?
No.
I wonder if Arizona wanted JT instead of Duclair? Or whether Sather offered JT instead of Duclair and Maloney insisted on Duclair.
Ha!
Yeah, let's compare John Moore to Mats Zuccarello...
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Because Moore was friends with some guys on the team..
Yeah, let's compare John Moore to Mats Zuccarello...
Moore didn't even have a fucking Twitter. Dav's an idiot.
Hate to see him go, but the next two seasons should be fun.
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Because Moore was friends with some guys on the team..
Yeah, let's compare John Moore to Mats Zuccarello...
Moore didn't even have a fucking Twitter. Dav's an idiot.
Just be glad that now I have to abandon my "Tony Dukes" nickname for Duclair
I'm assuming you missed Dave in D.C.'s wonderful comparison a picture of Anak with CC. I mean the dude looked JUST...LIKE...THIS:
HA! He really enjoyed giving me shit for the Slack Soda Spike. That was a BBI obsession for years every time I posted.
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OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired Carl Klingberg from WPG in exchange for Lee Stempniak.
Alright... don't know much about this kid but happy to get a 24 year old for Stempniak. Of course, I guess this means Glass stays in the lineup even with Fast back. Of course he does!
I dunno if Glass is demotable.
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He's played 2 games all year for Winnipeg and our 4th line is Moore-Fast-Glass
I mean, i'd play him over Glass, but we know this wont happen
and why is Hank's salary continuing to count against the cap? He's been on IR over a month now.
Kid would fit great with fast and Moore.
It's going to be a bitch to get out of the Metro division playoffs let alone the Eastern Conference regardless of today's moves (which is why I don't like this Yandle trade). Is what it is. Just get ready for some atrocious hockey at the Garden from 2019-2025.
And that website you linked said Yandle at $2.7 mm for this year and next... his salary is $5.5
Rangers acquire James Sheppard from the Sharks
There's your C. I remember he was a very high draft pick too
The Rangers traded a 2016 4th rounder to San Jose for Sheppard
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I guess it's too much hoping he finds a taker for Tanner Glass and Dan Boyle. Haha
Rangers acquire James Sheppard from the Sharks
There's your C. I remember he was a very high draft pick too
NHL.com says he's a left winger.
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There's your C. I remember he was a very high draft pick too
NHL.com says he's a left winger.
He might play both ala Hayes. NHL.com lists him as a Center. No idea what his natural position is. I just remember he was a top draft pick 9 years ago.
I hope he finds a taker for Tanner Glass
Too bad we couldn't get Hanzal. We could've had "Yanzal, so hot right now"
He is a good skater.
He's a nice player... I just don't think he warranted 3 assets. I could see two - Moore + either Duclair or the 1st round pick... but not both.
Obviously we had to throw in the 3rd piece to make the deal actually work - eg Arizona paying for half of Yandle's salary cap hit.
Could have had Stralman AND Duclair and no Boyle, and now they overpay like a motherfucker for 18 months of an overrated offense-only defenseman.
Could have had Stralman AND Duclair and no Boyle, and now they overpay like a motherfucker for 18 months of an overrated offense-only defenseman.
Like I said earlier today, no doubt this is Sather's mea culpa for the Boyle over Stralman signing.
Over the hill. Useless.
If the Rangers had to give up Duclair, the least they could have done was to demand that Arizona take Girardi'Girardi ' s albatross of a contract off their hands.
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
Yandle is better than any of those players by a decent amount. He plays for a black hole of a team and still manages to rack up points. It's likely going to be a breath of fresh air to play for this team compared to there. I'm confused why people are sort of underrating his quality and how much of a ridiculous bargain his contract is. It's not too easy to find puck movers like him any year nor in any trade
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Exactly. Duclair will be good and it will suck to watch but they only do this because they have what they consider a top six core locked in for years. And they want to win with this goalie.
CK - Steps - MSL
Hags - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Moore - Shep
extra Glass
McD - Girardi
Yandle - Klein
Staal - Boyle
extra Summers
KING
CK - Steps - MSL
Hags - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Moore - Shep
extra Glass
McD - Girardi
Yandle - Klein
Staal - Boyle
extra Summers
KING
My guess is come playoff time Shepp will be on the 3rd line and Miller on the 4th.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
They moved their often-scratched #6D for an all star.
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
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And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
Since he sucks in his own end.....no. way too much belly aching about PPQBs and face offs around here. Both are massively overrated subjects.
He was going to walk anyway.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
I quoted 5x5 Corsi, had nothing to do with his powerplay skills which are excellent.
I'm also not in a position to weigh in on whether the guys ice time is sheltered - he's logged the 9th most minutes in the NHL this year though, so I find that hypothesis hard to believe.
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
You know that won't be the fourth lune. Just accept it.
He was going to walk anyway.
umm, i think Sather paid a bit more than just Callahan for St Louis, no?
Now THAT's really saying something!
A player who has the goods on the offensive end the way Yandle does is always going to have sheltered zone starts. It would be terrible coaching if he didn't.
Fair point on the QoC
If the Isles people would be saying Garth Snow is God.
FYI the Sharks retained $100,000 of Sheppard's salary to help Rangers' cap situation
Amen. Getting Glass off the ice is almost as big an upgrade as replacing John Moore with Yandle. Somehow I think AV will still find a way to get his favorite caveman in the lineup though.
Gee, just mentioned it in the other thread. What a shocker. Sathermetrics
Unless he suddenly finds the fountain of yute they should be doing their due diligence in exploring any avenue to rid themselves of Boyle's contract. For now, we have to hope he can be effective without being a liability.
There will be a market for Boyle - you just have to hope he waives the NTC since he'll be at best a 3rd line D man here next season and maybe wants a bigger role somewhere else.
In a hard cap system, you HAVE TO HAVE A PIPELINE OF YOUNG PLAYERS coming up. They now have traded arguably their best prospect and ANOTHER #1 pick for a guy who is a good, not great player on a bad team who is turnover prone. AND they don't have a #1 until 2018 now? (please correct me if I am wrong on that) And no #2 this year? Even if they win the Cup (no guarantee there) this sets them back years.
The only one of these trade that ever produced a Cup was the Messier trade and that took 3 years and they barely hung on. Let's hope this doesn't turn into a no Cup trade that looks like Middleton for Hodge.
He's taken 534 FO's this year and won exactly half of them.
Agree they wont be paired. It will be interesting to see if AV switches guys sides, since it seems a bit odd to me that either Staal or Yandle will be a 3rd liner. More likely to me is McD-DG as a steady pair and everyone else in a state of flux -- Staal-Yandle, Staal-Klein, Yandle-Klein, as the situation demands (or switch McD with Staal in that scenario, since he proved in Sochi that he can play RD well).
If there ever needed to be an endorsement for anything, it would be Jorts knocking it. JFC, just shut up.
Could have had Stralman AND Duclair and no Boyle, and now they overpay like a motherfucker for 18 months of an overrated offense-only defenseman.
Average speed sure isn't "slow as shit."
Why don't you just admit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?
Fuck the "no offense" nonsense. He has no idea what he's talking about. If he's not complaining, he's not posting.
Aside from that, wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade Staal in the offseason. In fact, I think the Yandle-Klein pairing has a chance of becoming the second pairing next year, especially if they're confident with McIlrath becoming the third pair RHD.
Aside from that, wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade Staal in the offseason. In fact, I think the Yandle-Klein pairing has a chance of becoming the second pairing next year, especially if they're confident with McIlrath becoming the third pair RHD.
Staal is really underrated by BBI, sometimes I wish he had tested the Free Agent market.
Yandle-McDonagh (McD played RD very well in Sochi)
Staal-Girardi/Klein
Allen/Skjei-Klein/Girardi
Trade Boyle if possible. Let this be a lesson to Sather -- quit giving out NTC/NMCs. It will prevent us from shopping Girardi for two more seasons, and at that point he might just be unmovable.
Steep price though, no doubt about it.
I believe Girardi has a no trade clause. Second, his contract makes him a lot tougher to move this offseason than just trying to trade Boyle to a team for the one year left on his deal. Boyle even at a fairly high cap number should be a fairly easy dump - teams need defenders, especially the teams that just dumped guys for draft picks... Philly for example would probably take him.
I think you could move Boyle in the offseason. Maybe Mcllrath will be ready.
I know we root for the laundry... but there are certain guys on this roster i want to go to war with the next 3-5 years... if we dont win a Cup with them so be it, but these are the guys I want to live and die with and see hoist a Cup on Garden ice:
-Hank
-Stepan
-Staal
-Girardi (I understand the long-term concerns)
-MZA
-D Moore (because he lost his wife)
Obviously i really like our other players too, thats not the point. But i want to see these guys above rewarded for their commitment to this organization that in most cases extends back to the lockout. A championship with these guys would make it all that much more sweeter and Goddamn it, they deserve it. I deserve it too by the way. Get it done.
and fuck that slurping jizz fuck Fish right in her mouth.
I don't claim intimate knowledge about the cap, but I have to think those scenarios were in their minds when they re-signed him.
Also he was a fucking whining diver. Brassard's filled in for him in that regard.
Either way, should be manageable assuming they can dump Boyle.
MSL or Hags (or other) is a goner ... perhaps Boyle too.
Depends if they feel McDonagh can play on the RS. And as Deej said, I don't think it's tenable to have Yandle on the third pairing and we need to open up cap space.
So methinks either Girardi and Staal will be gone. Did Uncle Larry have a brainfart regarding the Boyle buyout and the 35+ rule? Something like:
McDonagh/Staal-Girardi/McDonagh
Yandle-Klein
Skjei-McIlrath/Boyle
I think he's our most valuable forward. Brassard got 5 and 5, and Stepan's much more valuable.
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
YES! YES! YES!
And I'm someone who loves Step and think he's a lock to stay regardless.
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
YES! YES! YES!
Please don't do this yes yes yes bullshit.
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So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
YES! YES! YES!
Please don't do this yes yes yes bullshit.
Hey man, I'm a wrestling fan. I can do it. Our brothers on the Island can't because they have no idea where it comes from. #AmericanDragon #BryanDanielson
Granted the chant sucks now. The Islanders ruin everything.
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.
Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.
YES! YES! YES!
Shh! Don't jinx it...
Go kiss some more islander fans asses you cum dumpster
He's been around. He understands the business and knows we have young guys we need to retain. I think there's a chance he takes a significant discount like that to stay and hang them up here.
But it also depends what happens this season. If we win the Cup somehow, I could see him calling it a career there and going out on top.
He wants to stay in the tri-state area, but the Isles will be in Brooklyn next year so there's always that option for him. Which would be fine - let them overpay what will be a 41 year old.
Frankly I'd almost prefer to keep Hagelin no matter what. I like MSL but the only upside to 41 year olds is apparently Florida will give you a 2nd round pick for one at the deadline if your team sucks.
I'm sure they'll face Nashville's backup goalie thursday too. Fuckin' Fishsticks.
2009-10 $1,000,000
2010-11 $1,000,000
I believe he signed one year deals but I don't remember. I wish capgeek existed. St. Louis would have to make a choice but the Rangers cannot offer a prohibitive contract.
Mats Zuccarello not practicing..so Tanner Glass skating with Derick Brassard and Rick Nash. #NYR
Zucc gets his money and stops trying.
At least we have Glass to win games for us.
I really don't think the guy is at a point where he's just going to say "I'll play for whoever wants to pay me the most"
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this has been discussed already...like a million times.
So why not go back to your Isles thread, dumbass?
hudson FTW.
Poor Glass. Right after he starts filling up the stat sheet last night he gets a seat
Loved me some Cam Talbot last night. We survived some shakiness from him early in this stretch by scoring 6 goals a game, but he was a big part of the W last night
Yes, there probably is a team(s) out there where he would have $4-5 million/year worth... maybe even the Brooklyn team... up to MSL if that's the road he wants to take.
But hopefully Sather stays firm with him when it comes to NYR. Hell, if you were doing a zero-cost budgeting exercise - if MSL was on another team, we really wouldn't be considering him this offseason as a free agent pickup.
Why should things be any different just because he's already here?