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NFT: Report: Rangers Acquire Keith Yandle

nyjuggernaut2 : 3/1/2015 4:24 pm
Early rumor going around is Duclair might be part of the package. Hope that's not true.
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Girardi reported to be part of the trade  
Mad Mike : 3/1/2015 4:26 pm : link
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Anakim : 3/1/2015 4:27 pm : link
Nick Kypreos ‏@RealKyper 53s54 seconds ago
Apologies to Girardi. Told he is now not expected in the deal. It's Moore , Duclair and mult'draft picks. #NHLtrade. #Rangers #Coyotes.
oh my God  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 4:28 pm : link
horrible
yuck  
jgambrosio : 3/1/2015 4:29 pm : link
not happy about giving up Duclair
Supposedly we're only picking up half of Yandle's salary  
Mad Mike : 3/1/2015 4:30 pm : link
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Well fuck me!  
Stufftherun : 3/1/2015 4:31 pm : link
Just gave up our big blue chip ...really wanted to see the kid develop on Broadway.
They must be very very confident  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 4:32 pm : link
in Hank coming back to have made this deal. Yandle is fine, but I never would have given up 2 very good prospects for him... let alone a draft pick on top of that.

Sather just cant help himself. JFC.
Twitter is at its worst around trade deadline  
Wuphat : 3/1/2015 4:32 pm : link
time.
Holy fucking shit  
redbeard : 3/1/2015 4:33 pm : link
Tell me this isn't true
Duclair AND a first?  
redbeard : 3/1/2015 4:37 pm : link
For Keith fuckin Yandle??


Jesus H Christ, sather
A) This is an indictment on the Dan Boyle signing  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 4:42 pm : link
Because Yandle's bread and butter is being a PP QB and a PMD. That's exactly what Boyle was supposed to do for us.

B) This isn't win now. This is win right fucking now. We're losing first rounders left and right and now we lost arguably our top prospect.



Boyle is going to be paired with Staal and Yandle is going to be paired with Klein. You can't have Boyle paired with Yandle. I really hope Sather trades Boyle and he waives his NMC
Yandle has a +/- of -31 this season  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/1/2015 4:43 pm : link
-31! And we give up our best prospect plus a 1st round pick for him! Ugh.
Another thing:  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 4:48 pm : link
How are you gonna re-sign Keith Yandle next year?
AND a second rounder  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 4:49 pm : link
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 5s6 seconds ago
So complete deal Yandle and Summers and a 4th for Duclair, Moore a 1st (2016) and a 2nd in 2015. Yotes retain 50% of Yandle's salary.




Well-done, Sather. All of this could've been avoided if you fucking signed Stralman instead of Boyle.
RE: Yandle has a +/- of -31 this season  
arcarsenal : 3/1/2015 4:55 pm : link
In comment 12158212 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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-31! And we give up our best prospect plus a 1st round pick for him! Ugh.


He's on a terrible team, his +/- numbers are basically irrelevant.
Make that a -32  
Stufftherun : 3/1/2015 4:57 pm : link
Slats compounds the Boyle signing with this move! Really upset we won't be able to see Duclair develop before our eyes and I'm convinced we'll never see another1st round draft pick while the cigar chomper is in charge.

Couldn't he have thrown Kristo or Haggerty in the deal? Just so tough to see the kid go.
Regardless of what you think of the deal  
Kyle in NY : 3/1/2015 4:57 pm : link
Can we please not use plus/minus when analyzing Yandle? It's a flawed stat and he's on the worst team in the west.

Don't forget, Arizona is covering half his salary. We're getting a former all star defenseman at about 2.5 against the cap. Not bad.
Don't know much about him but friend from Phoenix  
Coach Mason : 3/1/2015 4:58 pm : link
Who's a big hockey nut, says Rangers are getting one of top power play defense-man in entire league. Also great at starting a 'fast break' with a quick/accurate first pass out of defensive end. That could make a pretty fast team utilize it's speed even better.


RE: RE: Yandle has a +/- of -31 this season  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/1/2015 4:58 pm : link
In comment 12158234 arcarsenal said:
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-31! And we give up our best prospect plus a 1st round pick for him! Ugh.





He's on a terrible team, his +/- numbers are basically irrelevant.


Yeah but for his career his +\- is -34, and last season the Coyotes finished 2pts out of the playoffs and his +/- then was -23.
He's still young too  
Kyle in NY : 3/1/2015 4:59 pm : link
28 years old. This is different than adding Boyle or MSL on their last legs.
A top  
Giantfootball025 : 3/1/2015 4:59 pm : link
4 D without giving up any pieces on our current roster. Duclair was a prospect we have young wingers right now playing in the NHL. The Rangers are going for it and should be.
jesus fucking christ..  
Davisian : 3/1/2015 5:02 pm : link
More assets given up for a guy who doesn't address a need.

RE: jesus fucking christ..  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:04 pm : link
In comment 12158250 Davisian said:
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More assets given up for a guy who doesn't address a need.


Oh, he addresses a need. He's a PMD, PP QB, which is a huge need. The problem is that Boyle was supposed to fill that need and that fell flat on its face.
On a side note, Katie Strang is reporting on her twitter feed  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/1/2015 5:06 pm : link
That the Rangers and Zuccs are nearing an agreement on a contract extension.
Just shut the fuck up, anak  
Davisian : 3/1/2015 5:07 pm : link
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Sounds like Slats will sign Zucc  
Kyle in NY : 3/1/2015 5:08 pm : link
at the price he wanted. That's big.
RE: Just shut the fuck up, anak  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:09 pm : link
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You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse
RE: He's still young too  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 5:09 pm : link
In comment 12158244 Kyle in NY said:
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28 years old. This is different than adding Boyle or MSL on their last legs.


Fine but he's a free agent after next season. Our window just went from about the next 5 years to these next two seasons. After that we're completely fucked salary cap wise.
Anak,  
Wuphat : 3/1/2015 5:12 pm : link
you are basically just proving my point from yesterday.

Glad it didn't take a year to find another example.
Boy, that Boyle signing was outstanding.  
yatqb : 3/1/2015 5:12 pm : link
Can we just give the guy away to get rid of his cap hit?
RE: Anak,  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:12 pm : link
In comment 12158272 Wuphat said:
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you are basically just proving my point from yesterday.

Glad it didn't take a year to find another example.


Yeah, like I'm the only one pissed about this trade...
RE: RE: He's still young too  
Kyle in NY : 3/1/2015 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12158263 MetsAreBack said:
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28 years old. This is different than adding Boyle or MSL on their last legs.



Fine but he's a free agent after next season. Our window just went from about the next 5 years to these next two seasons. After that we're completely fucked salary cap wise.


This is when I wish cap geek was still around because it'd be interesting to look at that. But we've got a lot of core pieces locked up. Hayes looks like a keeper, Stepan will surely get his extension, and there are still good young forwards that could make it up soon. I think we have a bigger window than you believe. I think the window will pretty much correspond to whenever Hank exits his prime.
RE: RE: Just shut the fuck up, anak  
Davisian : 3/1/2015 5:14 pm : link
In comment 12158262 Anakim said:
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You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse



The next relevant thing you say on hockey threads will be your first.

Keep telling yourself whatever you need to think about me, I can deal with your delusion. Get a little self awareness and realize how consistently stupid you make yourself look on any thread, regarding any sport.

RE: RE: RE: Just shut the fuck up, anak  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:16 pm : link
In comment 12158280 Davisian said:
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You shut the fuck up. You walk around here like you think you know shit, but you really don't. I've seen your analysis (sans your stupid rhetoric) and rarely is it on point. Get off your fucking high horse




The next relevant thing you say on hockey threads will be your first.

Keep telling yourself whatever you need to think about me, I can deal with your delusion. Get a little self awareness and realize how consistently stupid you make yourself look on any thread, regarding any sport.


Like you should talk. You think your word is gospel the rare times you come on to a hockey thread and grace us with your presence. Your rhetoric and schtick is old and tired.

If it was up to you, our team would be Tanner Glass, Tim Kennedy, the Hanson Brothers and the Bash Brothers, so shut the fuck up.
No, you're not  
Wuphat : 3/1/2015 5:16 pm : link
And you have every right to be pissed if you don't like it, but FFS, everything is an overreaction with you (which was the point from yesterday).

Relax.

It's not the best deal ever made, and it's certainly not the worst deal ever made.

does this kid even listen to himself?  
Davisian : 3/1/2015 5:18 pm : link
Sad..
RE: No, you're not  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:20 pm : link
In comment 12158285 Wuphat said:
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And you have every right to be pissed if you don't like it, but FFS, everything is an overreaction with you (which was the point from yesterday).

Relax.

It's not the best deal ever made, and it's certainly not the worst deal ever made.



Overreaction? You don't see me jumping off my balcony, do you? I haven't broken anything. I haven't punched a wall.
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Wuphat : 3/1/2015 5:21 pm : link
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Overreaction? You don't see me jumping off my balcony, do you? I haven't broken anything. I haven't punched a wall.


I don't know that.
Duclair hasn't exactly been lighting it up  
Lowell : 3/1/2015 5:22 pm : link
since his return to the Q. He is far from a sure thing. Second: There is no way the Rangers can win a cup with a third pair of Boyle-Moore Hunwick. Boyle is toast.

Blaming Sather is predictable but isn't he the guy who guided the Rangers within 3 overtime losses to the cup. Isn't he the guy who managed to sign Hayes who is and will be a much better player than Duclair. Isn't he the guy who got Nash and Brassard. I think Sather deserves at least a little trust here.

Third: the Rangers may feel that either or both Miller and Buchnevich have more upside than Duclair. If by some miracle they can keep Zuke and Hags or even one of them, would there even be a place for Duclair.

Getting rid of Moore = addition by subtraction.

There is no one on the Rangers defense who gets the puck on net consistently from the point. Boyle once had the knack. but no longer. He's not even on the first pp any more. Yandle is acknowledged as one of the best playmakers in league and to get him you have to give something up. I have a hunch some of the Sather haters here are the same guys who threw their remotes when we took OBJ instead of AD, or ZM. Give the trade a chance and maybe you'll see the wisdom if it.
Can you two get a room already?  
Kyle in NY : 3/1/2015 5:22 pm : link
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RE: ...  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:23 pm : link
In comment 12158294 Wuphat said:
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Overreaction? You don't see me jumping off my balcony, do you? I haven't broken anything. I haven't punched a wall.



I don't know that.


Fair enough, but take my word for it.



If LeBron signs with the Knicks or Eli gets traded for a 7th rounder and Mike Glennon, then you'll see a real overreaction.
Assuming we're done with major deals  
Kyle in NY : 3/1/2015 5:28 pm : link
I'll be glad to see JT stick around. I still think he has great potential. The kid is 21 years old. Guys like him, Hayes, stepan, Kreider, etc. make me think we're not just all or nothing for these next two seasons. There is still young talent here.
RE: Duclair hasn't exactly been lighting it up  
Davisian : 3/1/2015 5:30 pm : link
In comment 12158296 Lowell said:
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since his return to the Q. He is far from a sure thing. Second: There is no way the Rangers can win a cup with a third pair of Boyle-Moore Hunwick. Boyle is toast.

Blaming Sather is predictable but isn't he the guy who guided the Rangers within 3 overtime losses to the cup. Isn't he the guy who managed to sign Hayes who is and will be a much better player than Duclair. Isn't he the guy who got Nash and Brassard. I think Sather deserves at least a little trust here.

Third: the Rangers may feel that either or both Miller and Buchnevich have more upside than Duclair. If by some miracle they can keep Zuke and Hags or even one of them, would there even be a place for Duclair.

Getting rid of Moore = addition by subtraction.

There is no one on the Rangers defense who gets the puck on net consistently from the point. Boyle once had the knack. but no longer. He's not even on the first pp any more. Yandle is acknowledged as one of the best playmakers in league and to get him you have to give something up. I have a hunch some of the Sather haters here are the same guys who threw their remotes when we took OBJ instead of AD, or ZM. Give the trade a chance and maybe you'll see the wisdom if it.



Sather "guides" a team to one final and he deserves the b.o.d? Let's just ignore the other 14 years of falling short? Lets trump up his decent deals and ignore all the kissing away of assets and first rounders in a salary cap sport where you need to grow from within and the consistent winners are the teams who play their young guys, keep most of their picks and rarely make a move that robs depth while adding a non need?

No.
RE: Assuming we're done with major deals  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:31 pm : link
In comment 12158305 Kyle in NY said:
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I'll be glad to see JT stick around. I still think he has great potential. The kid is 21 years old. Guys like him, Hayes, stepan, Kreider, etc. make me think we're not just all or nothing for these next two seasons. There is still young talent here.


I wonder if Arizona wanted JT instead of Duclair? Or whether Sather offered JT instead of Duclair and Maloney insisted on Duclair.
chemistry is probably taking a hit  
Davisian : 3/1/2015 5:36 pm : link
Because Moore was friends with some guys on the team..
RE: chemistry is probably taking a hit  
Wuphat : 3/1/2015 5:37 pm : link
In comment 12158317 Davisian said:
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Because Moore was friends with some guys on the team..


Ha!
RE: chemistry is probably taking a hit  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:37 pm : link
In comment 12158317 Davisian said:
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Because Moore was friends with some guys on the team..


Yeah, let's compare John Moore to Mats Zuccarello...
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BrettNYG10 : 3/1/2015 5:42 pm : link
In comment 12158319 Anakim said:
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Because Moore was friends with some guys on the team..



Yeah, let's compare John Moore to Mats Zuccarello...


Moore didn't even have a fucking Twitter. Dav's an idiot.
What do you think McDonagh's  
Lowell : 3/1/2015 5:43 pm : link
+- would be if he played for Arizona,
'Duclair hasn't exactly been lighting it up '  
schabadoo : 3/1/2015 5:48 pm : link
He's been called out for his effort lately, which apparently is an ongoing problem with him.

Hate to see him go, but the next two seasons should be fun.
RE: RE: RE: chemistry is probably taking a hit  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 5:49 pm : link
In comment 12158323 BrettNYG10 said:
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Because Moore was friends with some guys on the team..



Yeah, let's compare John Moore to Mats Zuccarello...



Moore didn't even have a fucking Twitter. Dav's an idiot.


Just be glad that now I have to abandon my "Tony Dukes" nickname for Duclair
Anak and Davisian when they aren't fighting over hockey trades  
chopperhatch : 3/1/2015 6:08 pm : link
I'm not comfortable with the idea that Anak is  
Wuphat : 3/1/2015 6:09 pm : link
either Bruce or Courtney Cox.
RE: I'm not comfortable with the idea that Anak is  
chopperhatch : 3/1/2015 6:12 pm : link
In comment 12158347 Wuphat said:
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either Bruce or Courtney Cox.


I'm assuming you missed Dave in D.C.'s wonderful comparison a picture of Anak with CC. I mean the dude looked JUST...LIKE...THIS:

Yeah,  
Wuphat : 3/1/2015 6:13 pm : link
I missed that
Spitting image...  
chopperhatch : 3/1/2015 6:16 pm : link
BBI as a whole buckled over in hysterical laughter, Anak cried, Eric spanked Dave. But it was a significant funny.
Damn  
Wuphat : 3/1/2015 6:18 pm : link
Sorry I missed that
I thought soda man might be Dave.  
yatqb : 3/1/2015 6:18 pm : link
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RE: I thought soda man might be Dave.  
chopperhatch : 3/1/2015 6:21 pm : link
In comment 12158365 yatqb said:
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HA! He really enjoyed giving me shit for the Slack Soda Spike. That was a BBI obsession for years every time I posted.
Another NYR deal  
nyjuggernaut2 : 3/1/2015 6:50 pm : link
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OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired Carl Klingberg from WPG in exchange for Lee Stempniak.

This anak Davisian fight is solid  
bxgiants4 : 3/1/2015 6:51 pm : link
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stempniak trade  
DaddyM89 : 3/1/2015 6:53 pm : link
seems like to clear salary space.. maybe for zucc? or maybe for maybe a trade for a center who can win faceoffs?
RE: Another NYR deal  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 6:54 pm : link
In comment 12158414 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired Carl Klingberg from WPG in exchange for Lee Stempniak.




Alright... don't know much about this kid but happy to get a 24 year old for Stempniak. Of course, I guess this means Glass stays in the lineup even with Fast back. Of course he does!
zucc reached 4 year deal  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2015 6:55 pm : link
per CBS news.
Zuke signed  
schabadoo : 3/1/2015 6:55 pm : link
So I doubt that's it.
NYR is over the cap, at the moment  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:02 pm : link
With Lindberg sent down, they're approx $1.5M over the cap ... perhaps Skapski and one other are sent to the AHL, otherwise another trade is coming.
that cant be right  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 7:03 pm : link
Arizona took on a significant piece of Yandle's salary... which is why we gave them extra assets for the cap relief
The Stempniak trade also cleared a little space.  
arcarsenal : 3/1/2015 7:04 pm : link
I don't think we're over the cap
Ironically, (or perhaps not)  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:06 pm : link
Removing the cap hits of Lindberg and Tanner Glass would put NYR at the cap, then just send Skapski.

I dunno if Glass is demotable.

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I would think Klingberg is Hartford bound, no?  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 7:06 pm : link

He's played 2 games all year for Winnipeg and our 4th line is Moore-Fast-Glass

I mean, i'd play him over Glass, but we know this wont happen
Send down Klingberg and we're still over  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:08 pm : link
if the website is accurate ... Kling + Skaps is still a bit short.
Yeah, Klingberg will go right to HFD.  
arcarsenal : 3/1/2015 7:08 pm : link
He's not going to play here this year unless there are injuries. He's also only on a 1 year deal so either we are planning on hanging onto him beyond that or this was just a straight salary dump to clear a little space.
I dont know how to read that link  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 7:09 pm : link
We're not paying a full year of Yandle's salary, we're paying a pro-rated 25% of whatever salary we took on in the trade...

and why is Hank's salary continuing to count against the cap? He's been on IR over a month now.
I don't know if that site is as quick/accurate  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:09 pm : link
as capgeek typically was, but I think the point remains we're tight on space, at the moment.

agree, tight  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 7:10 pm : link
but I wouldn't conclude that we're $1.5 million over. I don't think that's accurate.
why send Klingberg down  
Davisian : 3/1/2015 7:12 pm : link
And keep that other fucking sled around?

Kid would fit great with fast and Moore.
and I'd be shocked  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 7:13 pm : link
if the Rangers made another move. I think this is the playoff roster.... just have to hope Hank makes a healthy recovery at this point.

It's going to be a bitch to get out of the Metro division playoffs let alone the Eastern Conference regardless of today's moves (which is why I don't like this Yandle trade). Is what it is. Just get ready for some atrocious hockey at the Garden from 2019-2025.
I don't think we get space  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:13 pm : link
from salary paid by the other team, do we?
I'm almost certain we do...  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 7:15 pm : link
Its not like we gave up an extra prospect / pick to Arizona because Dolan cared about paying an extra $5 million to a player over two years. We gave up the premium for the cap space.

And that website you linked said Yandle at $2.7 mm for this year and next... his salary is $5.5
Both 'bergs plus Skaps is almost $2M, if they're all sent down  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:15 pm : link
perhaps that and Hank on IR is enough.
Sounds like they're reflecting the reliefe then  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:15 pm : link
or estimating relief.
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Anakim : 3/1/2015 7:26 pm : link
rennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate 1m1 minute ago
Rangers acquire James Sheppard from the Sharks



There's your C. I remember he was a very high draft pick too
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Anakim : 3/1/2015 7:31 pm : link
Brennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate 2m2 minutes ago
The Rangers traded a 2016 4th rounder to San Jose for Sheppard
$1.3M cap hit  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:31 pm : link
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What's did we give up?  
figgy2989 : 3/1/2015 7:31 pm : link
Solid 4th line center...slats figures to take the day off tomorrow
Sorry if this isn't new news ...  
sphinx : 3/1/2015 7:32 pm : link
The Daily News has learned that Zuccarello, 27, and the Rangers have agreed on the numbers of a four-year, $18 million extension ($4.5 million per year), and all that's holding up the deal are negotiations on the forms of protection in the contract, such as a no-trade clause.
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RE: What's did we give up?  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 7:32 pm : link
In comment 12158486 figgy2989 said:
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Solid 4th line center...slats figures to take the day off tomorrow


I guess it's too much hoping he finds a taker for Tanner Glass and Dan Boyle. Haha
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nyjuggernaut2 : 3/1/2015 7:33 pm : link
In comment 12158476 Anakim said:
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rennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate 1m1 minute ago
Rangers acquire James Sheppard from the Sharks



There's your C. I remember he was a very high draft pick too


NHL.com says he's a left winger.
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Anakim : 3/1/2015 7:35 pm : link
In comment 12158491 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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rennan Klak ‏@nhlupdate 1m1 minute ago
Rangers acquire James Sheppard from the Sharks



There's your C. I remember he was a very high draft pick too



NHL.com says he's a left winger.


He might play both ala Hayes. NHL.com lists him as a Center. No idea what his natural position is. I just remember he was a top draft pick 9 years ago.
Got to be more money going out  
JonC : 3/1/2015 7:36 pm : link
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sphinx : 3/1/2015 7:37 pm : link
"Sheppard was drafted by the Minnesota Wild in the first round (9th overall) in the 2006 NHL draft"

This deal fucking sucks more dick than Tori Black  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 7:38 pm : link
Slow as shit Keith Yandle. Fucking awesome return for a blue chip prospect and a decent depth defenseman. And here I thought I could not get angrier than losing on a DZ shorty last night. just a terribly shortsighted deal. God forbid the Rangers ever develop a young scoring winger of their own when they can trade for Keith fucking Yandle and give up a shit load for him, too.
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BrettNYG10 : 3/1/2015 7:41 pm : link
I've read Yandle is a great skater. I don't know that much about him though, honestly.
I guess Sather is making up for lost time  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 7:42 pm : link
We haven't made a trade all year until now.

I hope he finds a taker for Tanner Glass
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Anakim : 3/1/2015 7:42 pm : link
In comment 12158510 BrettNYG10 said:
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I've read Yandle is a great skater. I don't know that much about him though, honestly.


Too bad we couldn't get Hanzal. We could've had "Yanzal, so hot right now"
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schabadoo : 3/1/2015 7:44 pm : link
In comment 12158510 BrettNYG10 said:
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I've read Yandle is a great skater. I don't know that much about him though, honestly.


He is a good skater.
Sather runs the Rangers like they're the Redskins  
baadbill : 3/1/2015 7:45 pm : link
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Greg  
Matt M. : 3/1/2015 7:47 pm : link
Those are my sentiments as well.
Apparently an excellent Corsi player too  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 7:49 pm : link
has consistently ranked like 11th-14th in the league in Corsi over the past few years.

He's a nice player... I just don't think he warranted 3 assets. I could see two - Moore + either Duclair or the 1st round pick... but not both.

Obviously we had to throw in the 3rd piece to make the deal actually work - eg Arizona paying for half of Yandle's salary cap hit.
he's sure as hell not fast  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 7:49 pm : link
Average speed, maybe.

Could have had Stralman AND Duclair and no Boyle, and now they overpay like a motherfucker for 18 months of an overrated offense-only defenseman.
RE: he's sure as hell not fast  
Anakim : 3/1/2015 7:54 pm : link
In comment 12158528 Greg from LI said:
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Average speed, maybe.

Could have had Stralman AND Duclair and no Boyle, and now they overpay like a motherfucker for 18 months of an overrated offense-only defenseman.


Like I said earlier today, no doubt this is Sather's mea culpa for the Boyle over Stralman signing.
Greg  
SethFromAstoria : 3/1/2015 8:08 pm : link
Is lost. Dude is a great player. Hate giving up Duclair obviously but Yandle is also under 30 and basically he is getting paid nothing to play for us.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 3/1/2015 8:13 pm : link
What can we get for Seth? Dude didn't even bring us the scoop like he did when Gaborik was traded.

Over the hill. Useless.
Keith Yandle is not a great player  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 8:16 pm : link
He's a defenseman who can score but is neither fast nor physical and stinks in his own end. OEL he ain't- now THAT is a great player.

If the Rangers had to give up Duclair, the least they could have done was to demand that Arizona take Girardi'Girardi ' s albatross of a contract off their hands.
Don't forget that Yandle is only under contract for one more year too  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 8:18 pm : link
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Ranks 10th in the entire league  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 8:24 pm : link
in iCorsi and 16th in iFenwick

Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.

Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera

Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
......  
BrettNYG10 : 3/1/2015 8:30 pm : link
I think firsts are overrated in isolation, but doling out so many is going to take a toll. Drafts are probabilistic exercises more than anything else, imo, making the continuous expenditures costly.

I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.

I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Maybe that did make Duclair expendable  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 8:33 pm : link
You still should get more than Yandle for that package, then.
RE: Ranks 10th in the entire league  
SethFromAstoria : 3/1/2015 8:35 pm : link
In comment 12158584 MetsAreBack said:
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in iCorsi and 16th in iFenwick

Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.

Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera

Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.


Yandle is better than any of those players by a decent amount. He plays for a black hole of a team and still manages to rack up points. It's likely going to be a breath of fresh air to play for this team compared to there. I'm confused why people are sort of underrating his quality and how much of a ridiculous bargain his contract is. It's not too easy to find puck movers like him any year nor in any trade
RE: ......  
SethFromAstoria : 3/1/2015 8:38 pm : link
In comment 12158592 BrettNYG10 said:
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I think firsts are overrated in isolation, but doling out so many is going to take a toll. Drafts are probabilistic exercises more than anything else, imo, making the continuous expenditures costly.

I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.

I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.


Exactly. Duclair will be good and it will suck to watch but they only do this because they have what they consider a top six core locked in for years. And they want to win with this goalie.
Lines  
Giantfootball025 : 3/1/2015 8:40 pm : link
Zuc - Brass - Nash
CK - Steps - MSL
Hags - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Moore - Shep

extra Glass

McD - Girardi
Yandle - Klein
Staal - Boyle

extra Summers

KING
RE: Lines  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 8:43 pm : link
In comment 12158608 Giantfootball025 said:
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Zuc - Brass - Nash
CK - Steps - MSL
Hags - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Moore - Shep

extra Glass

McD - Girardi
Yandle - Klein
Staal - Boyle

extra Summers

KING


My guess is come playoff time Shepp will be on the 3rd line and Miller on the 4th.
I could see that  
Giantfootball025 : 3/1/2015 8:45 pm : link
especially since Shep can take faceoffs for Hayes.
scoring was not this team's problem  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 8:45 pm : link
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.

Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.

It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
Or Buch blossoms and no one remembers Duclair  
schabadoo : 3/1/2015 8:47 pm : link
If we're playing this game.

RE: scoring was not this team's problem  
SethFromAstoria : 3/1/2015 8:48 pm : link
In comment 12158622 Greg from LI said:
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And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.

Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.

It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.


You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
You're  
Giantfootball025 : 3/1/2015 8:49 pm : link
implying the Rangers can't deal Yandle themselves next year at the deadline. If they are primed to win again then keep him and go for it again, otherwise Yandle for 2.5 million will attract A LOT of attention from a contending teams. I don't see this team falling out. They are built very well for the future as well. There is a good amount of young talent on this roster.
'They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.'  
schabadoo : 3/1/2015 8:50 pm : link
They're top four in goals for and goals against.

They moved their often-scratched #6D for an all star.
still hate that we gave up so much for Yandle  
redbeard : 3/1/2015 8:50 pm : link
but the guy is certainly a skilled player.


I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
Rangers  
PaulN : 3/1/2015 8:51 pm : link
Are going all in, that is for certain, I am not sure what to think about it all. People saying Yandle is an OK skater are on Mars, he is a great skater, that is for sure, he is a legit offensive force, but he can make mistakes and takes some bad chances. He is the type of player that could be the piece that finally makes this power play work, but time will tell. I will only say that this is a wait and se type deal,, can not conclude right now, but this has weakened the future for the present, that a blind man could see though. Rangers are always doing things like this though, I will say the news of Zucc signing for 4.5 for 4 is good news. I guess this means it is the end of the road for St. Louis, so you can really start to kill the Callahan trade if the Rangers fall short of a cup this year, no doubt about that. Never was and never will be a fan of Sather, he is a fucking arrogant idiot. Was great in Edmonton, then fell in love with himself with all the cups, came he and has sucked up until now, and now is making some really questionable moves that must work now or we are going to look back and be really pissed. Oh well, I love Hayes and JT Miller, and glad they will be here.
RE: RE: scoring was not this team's problem  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 8:53 pm : link
In comment 12158625 SethFromAstoria said:
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In comment 12158622 Greg from LI said:


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And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.

Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.

It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.



You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too


Since he sucks in his own end.....no. way too much belly aching about PPQBs and face offs around here. Both are massively overrated subjects.
'you can really start to kill the Callahan trade'  
schabadoo : 3/1/2015 8:54 pm : link
Why? What did he get, $35,000,000?

He was going to walk anyway.
RE: scoring was not this team's problem  
MetsAreBack : 3/1/2015 8:54 pm : link
In comment 12158622 Greg from LI said:
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And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.

Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.




I quoted 5x5 Corsi, had nothing to do with his powerplay skills which are excellent.

I'm also not in a position to weigh in on whether the guys ice time is sheltered - he's logged the 9th most minutes in the NHL this year though, so I find that hypothesis hard to believe.
Sheppard better mean Glass is sitting.  
arcarsenal : 3/1/2015 8:55 pm : link
If Fast dresses, Sheppard plays and Miller goes back to getting benched I am going to be livid.
RE: still hate that we gave up so much for Yandle  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 8:55 pm : link
In comment 12158630 redbeard said:
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but the guy is certainly a skilled player.


I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season



You know that won't be the fourth lune. Just accept it.

'Since he sucks in his own end.....no'  
schabadoo : 3/1/2015 8:55 pm : link
John Moore.
actually, he hasn't been too sheltered this year  
Greg from LI : 3/1/2015 8:59 pm : link
For the first time in his career. My mistake - I knew he'd been notoriously sheltered both in QofC and O zone starts throughout his career and just assumed that wad still true.
Yandle has more career playoff points than Nash.  
BrettNYG10 : 3/1/2015 9:02 pm : link
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RE: 'you can really start to kill the Callahan trade'  
baadbill : 3/1/2015 9:04 pm : link
In comment 12158638 schabadoo said:
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Why? What did he get, $35,000,000?

He was going to walk anyway.


umm, i think Sather paid a bit more than just Callahan for St Louis, no?
RE: Yandle has more career playoff points than Nash.  
baadbill : 3/1/2015 9:05 pm : link
In comment 12158653 BrettNYG10 said:
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Now THAT's really saying something!
.  
Del Shofner : 3/1/2015 9:06 pm : link
this has been a really interesting hockey season in the NY/LI area. Can't wait to see how these trades play out.
RE: actually, he hasn't been too sheltered this year  
bigbluehoya : 3/1/2015 9:07 pm : link
In comment 12158650 Greg from LI said:
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For the first time in his career. My mistake - I knew he'd been notoriously sheltered both in QofC and O zone starts throughout his career and just assumed that wad still true.


A player who has the goods on the offensive end the way Yandle does is always going to have sheltered zone starts. It would be terrible coaching if he didn't.

Fair point on the QoC
Yandle has average 22+ mins a game  
Kyle in NY : 3/1/2015 10:18 pm : link
for the last five seasons. How much could he possibly be sheltered? Greg, no offense but how much of the Coyotes have you watched lately to be able to make such definitive statements on the guy?
Some complaining loudly  
RollBlue : 3/1/2015 10:20 pm : link
about this deal were the same ones who thought Torts shouldn't have been fired. How did that move work out???
RE: Some complaining loudly  
hudson : 3/1/2015 11:01 pm : link
In comment 12158722 RollBlue said:
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about this deal were the same ones who thought Torts shouldn't have been fired. How did that move work out???

If the Isles people would be saying Garth Snow is God.
Pierre LeBrun- Sheppard's salary  
sphinx : 3/1/2015 11:19 pm : link
‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun
FYI the Sharks retained $100,000 of Sheppard's salary to help Rangers' cap situation

I love the people that talk about...  
BC Eagles94 : 3/2/2015 7:58 am : link
Sheppard winning faceoffs, just because they read it somewhere and it sounds good. The guy has taken enough faceoffs in his career to only be listed under NHL.Com's stat section once in his entire career. And that was back in 08-09 with the Wild and he was shit...at 41.5%. So please stop with the center and faceoff talk. He is a bottom 6 winger and will not be helping Hayes in the circle.
The only thing I care about with Sheppard is that he pushes Glass..  
arcarsenal : 3/2/2015 8:25 am : link
..into the press box.
Brooksie already speculating  
JonC : 3/2/2015 8:30 am : link
on potential buyout for Boyle, saving $3M on the cap next season (pushing $1.5M onto the following season).
RE: The only thing I care about with Sheppard is that he pushes Glass..  
NYerInMA : 3/2/2015 8:43 am : link
In comment 12158849 arcarsenal said:
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..into the press box.


Amen. Getting Glass off the ice is almost as big an upgrade as replacing John Moore with Yandle. Somehow I think AV will still find a way to get his favorite caveman in the lineup though.
RE: Brooksie already speculating  
Giants2012 : 3/2/2015 8:43 am : link
In comment 12158855 JonC said:
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on potential buyout for Boyle, saving $3M on the cap next season (pushing $1.5M onto the following season).


Gee, just mentioned it in the other thread. What a shocker. Sathermetrics
RE: Brooksie already speculating  
Stufftherun : 3/2/2015 8:43 am : link
In comment 12158855 JonC said:
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on potential buyout for Boyle, saving $3M on the cap next season (pushing $1.5M onto the following season).


Unless he suddenly finds the fountain of yute they should be doing their due diligence in exploring any avenue to rid themselves of Boyle's contract. For now, we have to hope he can be effective without being a liability.
There will only be one year left on Boyle's contract this summer  
MetsAreBack : 3/2/2015 8:45 am : link
Timmonen just had trade value coming off a 9 month blood clot injury.

There will be a market for Boyle - you just have to hope he waives the NTC since he'll be at best a 3rd line D man here next season and maybe wants a bigger role somewhere else.
the sad thing about Boyle  
MetsAreBack : 3/2/2015 8:47 am : link
is if he just agrees to stay with the Islanders, we never sign him, maybe instead get more aggressive with Stralman... and Isles probably never pull off the Boychuk/Leddy deal day either.
Guys  
PaulN : 3/2/2015 9:15 am : link
I doubt that Yandle will be paired with Boyle, in fact that would be shocking, except on the power play. I see Boyle playing with Staal, and Yandle with Klein. Pairing Yandle and Boyle could be dangerous, but time will tell, and how it starts does not mean it will end that way, remember that too.
Nothing ever changes with the Rangers no matter who is  
Victor in CT : 3/2/2015 9:25 am : link
running them. They have been making these kinds of trades since forever and have 1 fucking Stanley Cup to show for it in 75 years.

In a hard cap system, you HAVE TO HAVE A PIPELINE OF YOUNG PLAYERS coming up. They now have traded arguably their best prospect and ANOTHER #1 pick for a guy who is a good, not great player on a bad team who is turnover prone. AND they don't have a #1 until 2018 now? (please correct me if I am wrong on that) And no #2 this year? Even if they win the Cup (no guarantee there) this sets them back years.

The only one of these trade that ever produced a Cup was the Messier trade and that took 3 years and they barely hung on. Let's hope this doesn't turn into a no Cup trade that looks like Middleton for Hodge.
RE: I love the people that talk about...  
arcarsenal : 3/2/2015 9:40 am : link
In comment 12158841 BC Eagles94 said:
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Sheppard winning faceoffs, just because they read it somewhere and it sounds good. The guy has taken enough faceoffs in his career to only be listed under NHL.Com's stat section once in his entire career. And that was back in 08-09 with the Wild and he was shit...at 41.5%. So please stop with the center and faceoff talk. He is a bottom 6 winger and will not be helping Hayes in the circle.


He's taken 534 FO's this year and won exactly half of them.
RE: Guys  
Deej : 3/2/2015 10:10 am : link
In comment 12158893 PaulN said:
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I doubt that Yandle will be paired with Boyle, in fact that would be shocking, except on the power play. I see Boyle playing with Staal, and Yandle with Klein. Pairing Yandle and Boyle could be dangerous, but time will tell, and how it starts does not mean it will end that way, remember that too.


Agree they wont be paired. It will be interesting to see if AV switches guys sides, since it seems a bit odd to me that either Staal or Yandle will be a 3rd liner. More likely to me is McD-DG as a steady pair and everyone else in a state of flux -- Staal-Yandle, Staal-Klein, Yandle-Klein, as the situation demands (or switch McD with Staal in that scenario, since he proved in Sochi that he can play RD well).
arc...  
BC Eagles94 : 3/2/2015 11:02 am : link
I see that now that I checked from my computer. Was getting different results when checking from my phone. So he is certainly better at draws than Hayes. But he still isn't going to help there IMO. He doesn't produce enough offensively to bump Miller from the 3rd line wing. Sheppard is a classic 4th liner...tough, good defensively, and can produce some offense. From all the reports I have read, he is much better at wing anyway.
You can mix this stuff up  
Deej : 3/2/2015 11:17 am : link
Lines arent sacrosanct. You can generally have a Hayes-Miller-Hags line but substitute someone when that line starts at a faceoff (rather than a change on the fly).
RE: This deal fucking sucks more dick than Tori Black  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/2/2015 7:24 pm : link
In comment 12158503 Greg from LI said:
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Slow as shit Keith Yandle. Fucking awesome return for a blue chip prospect and a decent depth defenseman. And here I thought I could not get angrier than losing on a DZ shorty last night. just a terribly shortsighted deal. God forbid the Rangers ever develop a young scoring winger of their own when they can trade for Keith fucking Yandle and give up a shit load for him, too.

If there ever needed to be an endorsement for anything, it would be Jorts knocking it. JFC, just shut up.
RE: he's sure as hell not fast  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/2/2015 7:26 pm : link
In comment 12158528 Greg from LI said:
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Average speed, maybe.

Could have had Stralman AND Duclair and no Boyle, and now they overpay like a motherfucker for 18 months of an overrated offense-only defenseman.

Average speed sure isn't "slow as shit."

Why don't you just admit you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?
RE: Yandle has average 22+ mins a game  
Gatorade Dunk : 3/2/2015 7:33 pm : link
In comment 12158720 Kyle in NY said:
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for the last five seasons. How much could he possibly be sheltered? Greg, no offense but how much of the Coyotes have you watched lately to be able to make such definitive statements on the guy?

Fuck the "no offense" nonsense. He has no idea what he's talking about. If he's not complaining, he's not posting.
And you are?  
Greg from LI : 3/2/2015 8:00 pm : link
Wait, never mind, I couldn't care less who you are. Look up Yandle's QoC Corsi and o - zone starts and get back to me when you have the faintest idea what the fuck you're talking about beyond "durrrrrrr Keith Yandle ' s been an All Star once or twice! "
Fair enough  
Kyle in NY : 3/2/2015 8:02 pm : link
Intrigued to watch him here. First period looked good at least!
Btw I figure you were mostly responding to that other guy  
Kyle in NY : 3/2/2015 8:03 pm : link
Lol
well, yeah, didn't mean you Kyle  
Greg from LI : 3/2/2015 8:24 pm : link
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RE: Brooksie already speculating  
Anakim : 3/3/2015 12:27 am : link
In comment 12158855 JonC said:
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on potential buyout for Boyle, saving $3M on the cap next season (pushing $1.5M onto the following season).


Aside from that, wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade Staal in the offseason. In fact, I think the Yandle-Klein pairing has a chance of becoming the second pairing next year, especially if they're confident with McIlrath becoming the third pair RHD.
They just signed him to a new deal  
redbeard : 3/3/2015 6:41 am : link
And he is the second best D on the team ......we are not trading him
RE: RE: Brooksie already speculating  
JoeyBigBlue : 3/3/2015 7:21 am : link
In comment 12160581 Anakim said:
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Aside from that, wouldn't surprise me if they try to trade Staal in the offseason. In fact, I think the Yandle-Klein pairing has a chance of becoming the second pairing next year, especially if they're confident with McIlrath becoming the third pair RHD.


Staal is really underrated by BBI, sometimes I wish he had tested the Free Agent market.
Staal or Yandle at LD3 seems untenable for next season  
Deej : 3/3/2015 7:48 am : link
I would do the following:

Yandle-McDonagh (McD played RD very well in Sochi)
Staal-Girardi/Klein
Allen/Skjei-Klein/Girardi

Trade Boyle if possible. Let this be a lesson to Sather -- quit giving out NTC/NMCs. It will prevent us from shopping Girardi for two more seasons, and at that point he might just be unmovable.
I think you'll like Yandle.  
Andy in Halifax : 3/3/2015 8:18 am : link
Seems like a guy that needed a new home. I think he'll rock for the Rangers.

Steep price though, no doubt about it.
Small sample after one game  
Torrag : 3/3/2015 10:02 am : link
but Yandle looked smooth, skated well and has a soft touch moving the puck. Wasn't cheap but could pay dividends.
Anak  
JonC : 3/3/2015 11:06 am : link
I'd think looking to trade Girardi makes more sense.
I am really not that up on Yandle  
Matt M. : 3/3/2015 11:08 am : link
How much of his big (-) rating was a product of the team he played on and how much on him? Is it just a coincidence in his first game he was on the ice for the opposition's only goal or is he really a poor defender?
RE: Anak  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 11:11 am : link
In comment 12161036 JonC said:
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I'd think looking to trade Girardi makes more sense.


I believe Girardi has a no trade clause. Second, his contract makes him a lot tougher to move this offseason than just trying to trade Boyle to a team for the one year left on his deal. Boyle even at a fairly high cap number should be a fairly easy dump - teams need defenders, especially the teams that just dumped guys for draft picks... Philly for example would probably take him.
obviously Boyle would need to agree to a trade  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 11:12 am : link
which isnt a given, but the guy hates his role here, and its about to get worse for him - 3rd pair, less power play time, etc.
'I believe Girardi has a no trade clause'  
schabadoo : 3/3/2015 11:14 am : link
I think it's a partial, like only for the first three years. I could be wrong on that.

I think you could move Boyle in the offseason. Maybe Mcllrath will be ready.
MAB  
JonC : 3/3/2015 11:14 am : link
Understood RE: Girardi, but I meant him instead of Staal and also to try and move or buyout Boyle.
Girardi has a full NTC in the first three years of the deal  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 11:15 am : link
And a modified one in the last three.
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arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 11:16 am : link
Girardi is going to be nearly impossible to move.
Holy fuck  
Fish : 3/3/2015 11:20 am : link
this has been discussed already...like a million times.
Somebody was advocating trading Staal? why?  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 11:20 am : link


I know we root for the laundry... but there are certain guys on this roster i want to go to war with the next 3-5 years... if we dont win a Cup with them so be it, but these are the guys I want to live and die with and see hoist a Cup on Garden ice:

-Hank
-Stepan
-Staal
-Girardi (I understand the long-term concerns)
-MZA
-D Moore (because he lost his wife)

Obviously i really like our other players too, thats not the point. But i want to see these guys above rewarded for their commitment to this organization that in most cases extends back to the lockout. A championship with these guys would make it all that much more sweeter and Goddamn it, they deserve it. I deserve it too by the way. Get it done.
Gents  
JonC : 3/3/2015 11:21 am : link
I get that, but it shouldn't preclude Sather from trying to find a team DG would accept a trade to, he can make it happen. Moving Staal makes less sense, moving Boyle seems certain, just a matter of how/when.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 11:22 am : link
I don't think the team has any interest in moving Girardi anyway. He hasn't noticeably declined from last season when they just gave him a huge deal.
McD too obviously  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 11:22 am : link

and fuck that slurping jizz fuck Fish right in her mouth.
Brett  
JonC : 3/3/2015 11:23 am : link
Just wait until the cap crunch kicks in ... his contract makes the most sense to move, other than Boyle.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 11:36 am : link
I suspect the team had that in mind when they extended Girardi. Stepan, MSL, and Hags are the only guys up this off-season, and after next year Kreider is up again.

I don't claim intimate knowledge about the cap, but I have to think those scenarios were in their minds when they re-signed him.
Meaning, they likely had a plan for the first three years  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 11:37 am : link
Until they could move him.
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arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 11:40 am : link
Kreider is the one that worries me the most. I think he could turn into a 30 goal scorer next year and turn into a premier PFD with elite speed. He could turn into a 6 per player and it's going to be hard for us to clear the space.
MAB  
Kyle in NY : 3/3/2015 11:48 am : link
I definitely share that affinity for guys like Giardi, Staal, and Hank (obviously) who have been here a long time and helped bridge the gap from those somewhat successful Jagr teams to the excellent group we have now. Same reason it was so tough to see Cally go, despite the financial sense that it made.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 12:00 pm : link
I never liked Cally as much as most - as a superbly talented individual myself, grit and work ethic don't resonate with me as it does for the less fortunate here.

Also he was a fucking whining diver. Brassard's filled in for him in that regard.
I understand Brett  
Kyle in NY : 3/3/2015 12:10 pm : link
we can only hope to see things from your gifted perspective haha
Btw  
JonC : 3/3/2015 12:54 pm : link
sportrac and nhl numbers are both prorating the cap hits for the new Rangers ... sportrac has them just over the cap, the other site has them about 750k under.
just over for next season?  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 12:56 pm : link
or just under?

Either way, should be manageable assuming they can dump Boyle.
This season  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:05 pm : link
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Next season  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:11 pm : link
we have ~$60M committed and a cap estimated in the $69-72M range.

MSL or Hags (or other) is a goner ... perhaps Boyle too.
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arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 1:14 pm : link
I'm guessing Stepan gets something in the vicinity of a 5x5
RE: Anak  
Anakim : 3/3/2015 1:14 pm : link
In comment 12161036 JonC said:
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I'd think looking to trade Girardi makes more sense.


Depends if they feel McDonagh can play on the RS. And as Deej said, I don't think it's tenable to have Yandle on the third pairing and we need to open up cap space.

So methinks either Girardi and Staal will be gone. Did Uncle Larry have a brainfart regarding the Boyle buyout and the 35+ rule? Something like:

McDonagh/Staal-Girardi/McDonagh
Yandle-Klein
Skjei-McIlrath/Boyle
arc  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:15 pm : link
I think he's north of $6M, especially with Krecji at $7.5M (!!)
arc  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:21 pm : link
and I agree with you on Kreider, he's ascending right into that price range.
...  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 1:22 pm : link
Stepan's worth more than Ryan O'Reilly, who everyone blows.

I think he's our most valuable forward. Brassard got 5 and 5, and Stepan's much more valuable.
No Glass tomorrow?!!?  
Anakim : 3/3/2015 1:31 pm : link
Rangers Report ‏@rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.


Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.


YES! YES! YES!
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arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 1:31 pm : link
North of 6 would be a lot for Step. I think Krejci is a better player. Anything under 6 is fair, IMO.. beyond that it gets dicey.

And I'm someone who loves Step and think he's a lock to stay regardless.
I think Step stays  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:42 pm : link
but he and his agent took a shave on his current deal, given his RFA status.
I'm enjoying this argument between Sean Avery and Dustin Penner  
Anakim : 3/3/2015 1:47 pm : link
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RE: No Glass tomorrow?!!?  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 1:49 pm : link
In comment 12161343 Anakim said:
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Rangers Report ‏@rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.


Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.


YES! YES! YES!


Please don't do this yes yes yes bullshit.
RE: RE: No Glass tomorrow?!!?  
Anakim : 3/3/2015 2:04 pm : link
In comment 12161391 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 12161343 Anakim said:


Quote:


Rangers Report ‏@rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.


Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.


YES! YES! YES!



Please don't do this yes yes yes bullshit.


Hey man, I'm a wrestling fan. I can do it. Our brothers on the Island can't because they have no idea where it comes from. #AmericanDragon #BryanDanielson



Granted the chant sucks now. The Islanders ruin everything.
RE: No Glass tomorrow?!!?  
NYerInMA : 3/3/2015 2:12 pm : link
In comment 12161343 Anakim said:
Quote:
Rangers Report ‏@rangersreport 1m1 minute ago
So it looks as if Sheppard will play on the wing in Detroit with Moore and Fast, which means Glass is scratched.


Shep was skating with Moore and Fast. Glass was filling in for Zuccarello.


YES! YES! YES!


Shh! Don't jinx it...
Step  
Deej : 3/3/2015 2:43 pm : link
my guess is 6 years, 6.25 to 7 million, which I think would represent a bit of a discount. He's not a top 10 center, but he's got to be top 15.
Let MSL walk  
Torrag : 3/3/2015 2:52 pm : link
Jettison Boyle...cap crunch solved. Use savings to work on extending young core. We should be able to hang onto two of the CK/Step/Hags trifecta. Replenish from the farm. Team remains a Cup contender throughout Hanks window.
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BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 2:57 pm : link
MSL seems to want to finish his career here, but is he willing to take $4M-4.5M? Anything more than $4.5M makes me think we should let him go, which I'm fine with. We have some guys who should be ready for that role next year.
I wouldn't even bring  
MookGiants : 3/3/2015 2:58 pm : link
MSL back for 4.5 million. Not worth it imo.
Go fuck yourself.  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 3:01 pm : link
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re: MSL  
JonC : 3/3/2015 3:02 pm : link
I'd rather keep the kids but Zucc was the one I was worried about losing. Hags is probably next kid out if money gets tight, but I'd also pass on MSL if the space is needed.
RE: Go fuck yourself.  
MookGiants : 3/3/2015 3:04 pm : link
In comment 12161520 BrettNYG10 said:
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Go kiss some more islander fans asses you cum dumpster
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arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 3:06 pm : link
I would offer MSL 2.5-3 TOPS and just be like.. we want you here for another year and would like you to finish up as a Ranger but that's all we can offer.

He's been around. He understands the business and knows we have young guys we need to retain. I think there's a chance he takes a significant discount like that to stay and hang them up here.

But it also depends what happens this season. If we win the Cup somehow, I could see him calling it a career there and going out on top.
I could see MSL riding off into the sunset with The Cup  
Torrag : 3/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
I'll sign for that right now.
Arc nailed it  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 3:30 pm : link
There's no way you offer MSL more than $2.5-3mm next year. Just not worth it. If he wants more, you thank him and keep Hagelin.

He wants to stay in the tri-state area, but the Isles will be in Brooklyn next year so there's always that option for him. Which would be fine - let them overpay what will be a 41 year old.

Frankly I'd almost prefer to keep Hagelin no matter what. I like MSL but the only upside to 41 year olds is apparently Florida will give you a 2nd round pick for one at the deadline if your team sucks.
Oh and of course the Isles get Dallas tonight  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 3:33 pm : link
without their best, superstar player.

I'm sure they'll face Nashville's backup goalie thursday too. Fuckin' Fishsticks.
I would definitely take care of Hagelin first, obviously.  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 3:44 pm : link
But St. Louis is worth more than $3M.
Mark Recchi's last 3 contracts  
Drewcon40 : 3/3/2015 3:48 pm : link
2008-09 $1,250,000
2009-10 $1,000,000
2010-11 $1,000,000

I believe he signed one year deals but I don't remember. I wish capgeek existed. St. Louis would have to make a choice but the Rangers cannot offer a prohibitive contract.

....  
BrettNYG10 : 3/3/2015 3:49 pm : link
New York Rangers ‏@NYRangers 4h4 hours ago
Mats Zuccarello not practicing..so Tanner Glass skating with Derick Brassard and Rick Nash. #NYR

Zucc gets his money and stops trying.

At least we have Glass to win games for us.
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arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 3:56 pm : link
In a vacuum, a player of MSL's caliber is definitely worth over 3. But he wanted to come here to be closer to Greenwich/his family, he's on a team with Cup aspirations and he's also at the very end of his career which are unique circumstances that could result in him taking less money to play here another year or so and then retire.

I really don't think the guy is at a point where he's just going to say "I'll play for whoever wants to pay me the most"
RE: Holy fuck  
hudson : 3/3/2015 4:13 pm : link
In comment 12161062 Fish said:
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this has been discussed already...like a million times.
So why not go back to your Isles thread, dumbass?
RE: RE: Holy fuck  
mfsd : 3/3/2015 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12161661 hudson said:
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In comment 12161062 Fish said:


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this has been discussed already...like a million times.

So why not go back to your Isles thread, dumbass?


hudson FTW.

Poor Glass. Right after he starts filling up the stat sheet last night he gets a seat

Loved me some Cam Talbot last night. We survived some shakiness from him early in this stretch by scoring 6 goals a game, but he was a big part of the W last night
I just dont think next year's MSL is worth more than $3 million  
MetsAreBack : 3/3/2015 4:30 pm : link
to this particular team. We have the veteran leadership, we have depth at the W position, we have younger guys ready for top 6 minutes.

Yes, there probably is a team(s) out there where he would have $4-5 million/year worth... maybe even the Brooklyn team... up to MSL if that's the road he wants to take.

But hopefully Sather stays firm with him when it comes to NYR. Hell, if you were doing a zero-cost budgeting exercise - if MSL was on another team, we really wouldn't be considering him this offseason as a free agent pickup.

Why should things be any different just because he's already here?

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