He's a defenseman who can score but is neither fast nor physical and stinks in his own end. OEL he ain't- now THAT is a great player.
If the Rangers had to give up Duclair, the least they could have done was to demand that Arizona take Girardi'Girardi ' s albatross of a contract off their hands.
Don't forget that Yandle is only under contract for one more year too
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
I think firsts are overrated in isolation, but doling out so many is going to take a toll. Drafts are probabilistic exercises more than anything else, imo, making the continuous expenditures costly.
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
Yandle is better than any of those players by a decent amount. He plays for a black hole of a team and still manages to rack up points. It's likely going to be a breath of fresh air to play for this team compared to there. I'm confused why people are sort of underrating his quality and how much of a ridiculous bargain his contract is. It's not too easy to find puck movers like him any year nor in any trade
I think firsts are overrated in isolation, but doling out so many is going to take a toll. Drafts are probabilistic exercises more than anything else, imo, making the continuous expenditures costly.
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Exactly. Duclair will be good and it will suck to watch but they only do this because they have what they consider a top six core locked in for years. And they want to win with this goalie.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
implying the Rangers can't deal Yandle themselves next year at the deadline. If they are primed to win again then keep him and go for it again, otherwise Yandle for 2.5 million will attract A LOT of attention from a contending teams. I don't see this team falling out. They are built very well for the future as well. There is a good amount of young talent on this roster.
'They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.'
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
Are going all in, that is for certain, I am not sure what to think about it all. People saying Yandle is an OK skater are on Mars, he is a great skater, that is for sure, he is a legit offensive force, but he can make mistakes and takes some bad chances. He is the type of player that could be the piece that finally makes this power play work, but time will tell. I will only say that this is a wait and se type deal,, can not conclude right now, but this has weakened the future for the present, that a blind man could see though. Rangers are always doing things like this though, I will say the news of Zucc signing for 4.5 for 4 is good news. I guess this means it is the end of the road for St. Louis, so you can really start to kill the Callahan trade if the Rangers fall short of a cup this year, no doubt about that. Never was and never will be a fan of Sather, he is a fucking arrogant idiot. Was great in Edmonton, then fell in love with himself with all the cups, came he and has sucked up until now, and now is making some really questionable moves that must work now or we are going to look back and be really pissed. Oh well, I love Hayes and JT Miller, and glad they will be here.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
Since he sucks in his own end.....no. way too much belly aching about PPQBs and face offs around here. Both are massively overrated subjects.
And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
I quoted 5x5 Corsi, had nothing to do with his powerplay skills which are excellent.
I'm also not in a position to weigh in on whether the guys ice time is sheltered - he's logged the 9th most minutes in the NHL this year though, so I find that hypothesis hard to believe.
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
You know that won't be the fourth lune. Just accept it.
For the first time in his career. My mistake - I knew he'd been notoriously sheltered both in QofC and O zone starts throughout his career and just assumed that wad still true.
For the first time in his career. My mistake - I knew he'd been notoriously sheltered both in QofC and O zone starts throughout his career and just assumed that wad still true.
A player who has the goods on the offensive end the way Yandle does is always going to have sheltered zone starts. It would be terrible coaching if he didn't.
for the last five seasons. How much could he possibly be sheltered? Greg, no offense but how much of the Coyotes have you watched lately to be able to make such definitive statements on the guy?
Sheppard winning faceoffs, just because they read it somewhere and it sounds good. The guy has taken enough faceoffs in his career to only be listed under NHL.Com's stat section once in his entire career. And that was back in 08-09 with the Wild and he was shit...at 41.5%. So please stop with the center and faceoff talk. He is a bottom 6 winger and will not be helping Hayes in the circle.
The only thing I care about with Sheppard is that he pushes Glass..
Amen. Getting Glass off the ice is almost as big an upgrade as replacing John Moore with Yandle. Somehow I think AV will still find a way to get his favorite caveman in the lineup though.
on potential buyout for Boyle, saving $3M on the cap next season (pushing $1.5M onto the following season).
Unless he suddenly finds the fountain of yute they should be doing their due diligence in exploring any avenue to rid themselves of Boyle's contract. For now, we have to hope he can be effective without being a liability.
There will only be one year left on Boyle's contract this summer
Timmonen just had trade value coming off a 9 month blood clot injury.
There will be a market for Boyle - you just have to hope he waives the NTC since he'll be at best a 3rd line D man here next season and maybe wants a bigger role somewhere else.
is if he just agrees to stay with the Islanders, we never sign him, maybe instead get more aggressive with Stralman... and Isles probably never pull off the Boychuk/Leddy deal day either.
I doubt that Yandle will be paired with Boyle, in fact that would be shocking, except on the power play. I see Boyle playing with Staal, and Yandle with Klein. Pairing Yandle and Boyle could be dangerous, but time will tell, and how it starts does not mean it will end that way, remember that too.
Nothing ever changes with the Rangers no matter who is
running them. They have been making these kinds of trades since forever and have 1 fucking Stanley Cup to show for it in 75 years.
In a hard cap system, you HAVE TO HAVE A PIPELINE OF YOUNG PLAYERS coming up. They now have traded arguably their best prospect and ANOTHER #1 pick for a guy who is a good, not great player on a bad team who is turnover prone. AND they don't have a #1 until 2018 now? (please correct me if I am wrong on that) And no #2 this year? Even if they win the Cup (no guarantee there) this sets them back years.
The only one of these trade that ever produced a Cup was the Messier trade and that took 3 years and they barely hung on. Let's hope this doesn't turn into a no Cup trade that looks like Middleton for Hodge.
Sheppard winning faceoffs, just because they read it somewhere and it sounds good. The guy has taken enough faceoffs in his career to only be listed under NHL.Com's stat section once in his entire career. And that was back in 08-09 with the Wild and he was shit...at 41.5%. So please stop with the center and faceoff talk. He is a bottom 6 winger and will not be helping Hayes in the circle.
He's taken 534 FO's this year and won exactly half of them.
I doubt that Yandle will be paired with Boyle, in fact that would be shocking, except on the power play. I see Boyle playing with Staal, and Yandle with Klein. Pairing Yandle and Boyle could be dangerous, but time will tell, and how it starts does not mean it will end that way, remember that too.
Agree they wont be paired. It will be interesting to see if AV switches guys sides, since it seems a bit odd to me that either Staal or Yandle will be a 3rd liner. More likely to me is McD-DG as a steady pair and everyone else in a state of flux -- Staal-Yandle, Staal-Klein, Yandle-Klein, as the situation demands (or switch McD with Staal in that scenario, since he proved in Sochi that he can play RD well).
I see that now that I checked from my computer. Was getting different results when checking from my phone. So he is certainly better at draws than Hayes. But he still isn't going to help there IMO. He doesn't produce enough offensively to bump Miller from the 3rd line wing. Sheppard is a classic 4th liner...tough, good defensively, and can produce some offense. From all the reports I have read, he is much better at wing anyway.
Lines arent sacrosanct. You can generally have a Hayes-Miller-Hags line but substitute someone when that line starts at a faceoff (rather than a change on the fly).
Could have had Stralman AND Duclair and no Boyle, and now they overpay like a motherfucker for 18 months of an overrated offense-only defenseman.
Like I said earlier today, no doubt this is Sather's mea culpa for the Boyle over Stralman signing.
Over the hill. Useless.
If the Rangers had to give up Duclair, the least they could have done was to demand that Arizona take Girardi'Girardi ' s albatross of a contract off their hands.
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Those aren't the only measures of a hockey player obviously, but the metrics say this is a pretty damn good player. I just hate giving up 3 assets for one guy.
Nobody else had to give up this much for a player - Pittsburgh gave up a 1st for Perron; Nashville gave up a 1st and a prospect for BOTH Santonelli and Franson; Chicago gave up a 1st and a prospect for Vermette; LA Kings gave up a 1st and a prospect for Sekera
Difference I guess being Arizona is eating some of the cap hit and its for 1.5 yrs not a two month rental... but still.
Yandle is better than any of those players by a decent amount. He plays for a black hole of a team and still manages to rack up points. It's likely going to be a breath of fresh air to play for this team compared to there. I'm confused why people are sort of underrating his quality and how much of a ridiculous bargain his contract is. It's not too easy to find puck movers like him any year nor in any trade
I guess the team felt Duclair was expendable due to Buchnevich and the fact it's looking like most of our top nine wing spots are going to be locked down over the next couple of years.
I kind of like this deal overall. More than I did when I first saw the trade. But our window is definitely shorter unless Skjei and Buchnevich are the shit.
Exactly. Duclair will be good and it will suck to watch but they only do this because they have what they consider a top six core locked in for years. And they want to win with this goalie.
CK - Steps - MSL
Hags - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Moore - Shep
extra Glass
McD - Girardi
Yandle - Klein
Staal - Boyle
extra Summers
KING
CK - Steps - MSL
Hags - Hayes - Miller
Fast - Moore - Shep
extra Glass
McD - Girardi
Yandle - Klein
Staal - Boyle
extra Summers
KING
My guess is come playoff time Shepp will be on the 3rd line and Miller on the 4th.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
They moved their often-scratched #6D for an all star.
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
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And the idea that the lack of the mythical PPQB was the missing piece is silly. They need help in preventing scoring chances and goals.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
It's going to be a blast watching him walk in 2016 while Duclair blossoms. If this team doesn't win by next year, this deal is a massive failure.
You don't watch this team play and go six games without a pp goal and think they could beat anyone's ass if they just had a good pp? Also he is allowed to help the team on 5v5 too
Since he sucks in his own end.....no. way too much belly aching about PPQBs and face offs around here. Both are massively overrated subjects.
He was going to walk anyway.
Yandle is better than Boyle, but still a very similar player. You know, Boyle' s Corsi is pretty good too, because his minutes are sheltered as hell. Same thing with Yandle.
I quoted 5x5 Corsi, had nothing to do with his powerplay skills which are excellent.
I'm also not in a position to weigh in on whether the guys ice time is sheltered - he's logged the 9th most minutes in the NHL this year though, so I find that hypothesis hard to believe.
I will say I love the move for Sheppard. Big, physical, solid on defense and able to win faceoffs. A fourth line of Sheppard-Moore-Fast is a vast improvement to what was trotted out there yesterday. Hell, that may be a better fourth line than we had last season
You know that won't be the fourth lune. Just accept it.
He was going to walk anyway.
umm, i think Sather paid a bit more than just Callahan for St Louis, no?
Now THAT's really saying something!
A player who has the goods on the offensive end the way Yandle does is always going to have sheltered zone starts. It would be terrible coaching if he didn't.
Fair point on the QoC
If the Isles people would be saying Garth Snow is God.
FYI the Sharks retained $100,000 of Sheppard's salary to help Rangers' cap situation
Amen. Getting Glass off the ice is almost as big an upgrade as replacing John Moore with Yandle. Somehow I think AV will still find a way to get his favorite caveman in the lineup though.
Gee, just mentioned it in the other thread. What a shocker. Sathermetrics
Unless he suddenly finds the fountain of yute they should be doing their due diligence in exploring any avenue to rid themselves of Boyle's contract. For now, we have to hope he can be effective without being a liability.
There will be a market for Boyle - you just have to hope he waives the NTC since he'll be at best a 3rd line D man here next season and maybe wants a bigger role somewhere else.
In a hard cap system, you HAVE TO HAVE A PIPELINE OF YOUNG PLAYERS coming up. They now have traded arguably their best prospect and ANOTHER #1 pick for a guy who is a good, not great player on a bad team who is turnover prone. AND they don't have a #1 until 2018 now? (please correct me if I am wrong on that) And no #2 this year? Even if they win the Cup (no guarantee there) this sets them back years.
The only one of these trade that ever produced a Cup was the Messier trade and that took 3 years and they barely hung on. Let's hope this doesn't turn into a no Cup trade that looks like Middleton for Hodge.
He's taken 534 FO's this year and won exactly half of them.
Agree they wont be paired. It will be interesting to see if AV switches guys sides, since it seems a bit odd to me that either Staal or Yandle will be a 3rd liner. More likely to me is McD-DG as a steady pair and everyone else in a state of flux -- Staal-Yandle, Staal-Klein, Yandle-Klein, as the situation demands (or switch McD with Staal in that scenario, since he proved in Sochi that he can play RD well).