Ian Rapoport: JPP gets franchise tagged

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In comment 12159538 BlueHurricane said:

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Good

Dito

Necessary

whether you think he's worth the money or not, it would have cast a pall on the rest of the off season and if he signed in the Division, it would be DEFCON 4 around here. In other words, I'm glad it's done

Yeah, you know me.

and he signs long(er) term. Playing on the tag isn't desirable for either him or the team.

to see if he really is worth a mega deal or if last years late surge was garbage time compiling or the real deal.

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But I'm sure it's accurate.

cutting and/or extending players; 14.8M is a big chunk of change for JPP, regardless of the market.
Hopefully contract talks come, unless this is a 'prove it' contract for him.

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this is good, we need another season of him to really see what we have.

If five years isn't enough time to tell you what you've got in a guy, you're never gonna know.

If they're far apart and he sits out part or all of camp, how good offs he gonna look in 2015? This is a guy that has shown up fat before.

Would love to get a 1st this year and a 1st next year for him

He was the most Franchiseable player we've had this decade. Very happy he's back.

especially the cowboys or eagles!!!!

Get the long term deal done and we can move on to other needs.

We have more holes to fill than the draft and approx $10m to spend in free agency will cover.

So who is getting cut/taking a paycut/re-structuring?

and I'm glad we did it. All but ensures that JPP is on the team next year. Now let's get that long term deal done!

we'd only have approx $4m to spend on the open market.

In comment 12159607 Torrag said:

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We have more holes to fill than the draft and approx $10m to spend in free agency will cover. So who is getting cut/taking a paycut/re-structuring?

They don't have $10M (if they don't work out a deal with JPP). They have a little over $4M because of the draft pool money has to be taken out.

...I don't see how it does not become an ugly situation. I don't trust him as one that will take the required measures to maintain his physical status away from the team to where he can just come in and hit the ground running.

Hopefully he has some sense, signs the tender and gets his ass to work if they're not close on $.

Now we need Ayers to heal up.

And for Moore to take a step up in maturity.

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I agree: if you don't know by now what you have in JPP, you're never going to.

a very good run defender who is merely a good pass rusher. A guy who is probably a Top 10 DLineman in the sport when healthy.

He's never had 2 straight fully healthy seasons which plays a big role in this decision imo.

2011: All-Pro worthy
2012: Pro Bowl worthy despite injuries
2013: Awful season due to injuries
2014: Pro Bowl worthy

People who like to shit on JPP enjoy saying "derp but he only derp did it for one year derp". Well he only had one dominant season in '11 but his '12 and '14 were both very strong years for a DE.

This team lacks talent on the defensive side and just giving away JPP would've been an idiotic decision. Franchising him was what I thought we were going to do since the season ended, it made perfect sense.

if the Giants see someone they like they will cut/re-structure what they have to get it done. keeping him gives them another year to see what they have in D. Moore and Wynn as well as to see how Kennard progresses as an edge rusher. The people just ushering JPP out the door with no compensation have to realize the guy had 77 total tackles last year. You don't get that by falling on top of the pile every play. Getting rid of that type of production with no replacement is dangerous. For the people hand wringing over the 14.8 mill number exactly what do you think a a long term deal brings that number don too? 11? 12? is that such a huge difference in terms of the cap?

sense, having him play on the FT makes no sense and is not desirable to him.

this is 1 year 15M guaranteed, for 10M more guaranteed you can lock him up for 5 or 6 years - which IMO is what they should do.

That could lessen his cap hit this year to 4 or 5M from 15M.

In comment 12159646 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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2011: All-Pro worthy 2012: Pro Bowl worthy despite injuries 2013: Awful season due to injuries 2014: Pro Bowl worthy People who like to shit on JPP enjoy saying "derp but he only derp did it for one year derp". Well he only had one dominant season in '11 but his '12 and '14 were both very strong years for a DE. This team lacks talent on the defensive side and just giving away JPP would've been an idiotic decision. Franchising him was what I thought we were going to do since the season ended, it made perfect sense.

He had 6.5 sacks in 2012. Not exactly lighting it up. I'm still hesitant calling 2014 a bright year as well considering 75% of it he did not performed up to his full capability. He was clearly absent as a monster pass rusher in that time.

Hopefully those days are behind him and he is completely healthy and motivated. But he has the big dollars now, so, we'll see.

the main position they need to address now is LG of RT and Safety. Don't know if the have enough room under the cap to get that done come next Tuesday.

There are some question marks though that are unavoidable:

- He came in out of shape after his best season
- He's been injury prone
- The defense has been garbage in each of his five pro seasons (this obviously isn't entirely his fault, but we're talking about paying him cornerstone money here)

Be objective. How many times do big guys get more committed (and healthier) once they get the kind of money JPP figures to get in his next contract?

If I'm an Eagle or Cowboy fan this news makes me happy.

In comment 12159646 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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2011: All-Pro worthy 2012: Pro Bowl worthy despite injuries 2013: Awful season due to injuries 2014: Pro Bowl worthy People who like to shit on JPP enjoy saying "derp but he only derp did it for one year derp". Well he only had one dominant season in '11 but his '12 and '14 were both very strong years for a DE. This team lacks talent on the defensive side and just giving away JPP would've been an idiotic decision. Franchising him was what I thought we were going to do since the season ended, it made perfect sense.

Agreed...and JPP is only scratching the surface due to a limited football background and he just turned 26...think he deserves a pass for 2013 due to injury...and it looks like he was not 100% until mid 2014...there is not a single DE in the NFL that I would trade JPP for outside of JJ Watt

he's not gonna sit out the off-season. JFC some of you guys are negative.

In comment 12159673 Go Terps said:

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There are some question marks though that are unavoidable: - He came in out of shape after his best season - He's been injury prone - The defense has been garbage in each of his five pro seasons (this obviously isn't entirely his fault, but we're talking about paying him cornerstone money here) Be objective. How many times do big guys get more committed (and healthier) once they get the kind of money JPP figures to get in his next contract? If I'm an Eagle or Cowboy fan this news makes me happy.

Good post Terps.

Do you know (or does anyone else) a team can remove the franchise tag? For instance, let's say they did this to buy time to negotiate a longer deal and couldn't come to an agreement. Can they then take the tag away and let him become a FA?

that gets lazy after the big pay day I can find 10 that don't.

The bad guys stand out over the years. Everyone remembers the HAynesworths but no one ever remembers Justin Tuck. Or Strahan.

The NFL isn't the MLB. In this league you play for pay. If you sulk or suck you lose your job and then you get cut. Say goodbye to that 20 million that is coming to you.

JPP has played through injuries and rarely even misses a game. He's about as safe a bet as you're gonna find. I get the fear factor but you can't live in fear of signing a star player. If you do, you're doomed to suck for a long time.

Yeah, i'm sure Dallas fans are just giddy right now knowing that JPP is still a Giant. The same JPP that knocked Dallas out of the playoffs and lifted NY to the playoffs in 2011.

2011 was not THAT long ago. Neither was 2014. The guy can play.

In comment 12159707 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 12159673 Go Terps said: Quote: There are some question marks though that are unavoidable: - He came in out of shape after his best season - He's been injury prone - The defense has been garbage in each of his five pro seasons (this obviously isn't entirely his fault, but we're talking about paying him cornerstone money here) Be objective. How many times do big guys get more committed (and healthier) once they get the kind of money JPP figures to get in his next contract? If I'm an Eagle or Cowboy fan this news makes me happy. Good post Terps. Do you know (or does anyone else) a team can remove the franchise tag? For instance, let's say they did this to buy time to negotiate a longer deal and couldn't come to an agreement. Can they then take the tag away and let him become a FA?

That's a good question. I would think they cannot lift the tag unless a deal is reached. If they could lift the tag that would be pretty dooshy and i'm sure the NFLPA would shit sideways if it ever happened. The tag is essentially a one year contract. I guess it could be voided if the player went bat shit crazy but even then it's still a contract.

to do it. But as others have said, it could become ugly, and therefore a distraction, if he starts skipping offseason activities. He may also play cautiously to try and stay as healthy as possible for FA in 2016. Keeping him does allow other players another year to mature. But if the Giants think they can't reach a long term deal, if the two sides are really far apart, then they should see what they can get when FA opens. A number of teams have a lot of cap room, and JPP is recognized by every fan base. It's moot course if all they can get is a shit deal, but I wouldn't hold out for the 2 #1s.

go watch some JPP 2011 games. Do you know what you see?

A belly.

The guy was "fat" in 2011. He might've attempted to put on more weight for 2012, but the difference was never nearly as large as BBI wanted to make it out to be. He clearly lost 10-15 lbs this past year and was in great shape.

Toth. He only had 6.5 sacks in '12 but he was probably the best run defender in football from the DE position that year. He was definitely one of the best DEs in the league despite the sack production.

Now that sack production is why I wouldn't call JPP an "elite" defender. He's just not a great pass rusher which you kind of want from your Franchise DE. But his hustle and run defense are excellent.

People here rave about the Cowboys OL and especially them having a tackle like Tyron Smith. JPP whooped Smith's ass this year. He's a very good player and I'm happy he'll be a Giant again next year.

In comment 12159730 djm said:

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In comment 12159707 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 12159673 Go Terps said: Quote: There are some question marks though that are unavoidable: - He came in out of shape after his best season - He's been injury prone - The defense has been garbage in each of his five pro seasons (this obviously isn't entirely his fault, but we're talking about paying him cornerstone money here) Be objective. How many times do big guys get more committed (and healthier) once they get the kind of money JPP figures to get in his next contract? If I'm an Eagle or Cowboy fan this news makes me happy. Good post Terps. Do you know (or does anyone else) a team can remove the franchise tag? For instance, let's say they did this to buy time to negotiate a longer deal and couldn't come to an agreement. Can they then take the tag away and let him become a FA? That's a good question. I would think they cannot lift the tag unless a deal is reached. If they could lift the tag that would be pretty dooshy and i'm sure the NFLPA would shit sideways if it ever happened. The tag is essentially a one year contract. I guess it could be voided if the player went bat shit crazy but even then it's still a contract.

Thanks djm. I would seem unlikely that it could be done, but the way the NFLPA was steamrolled in the last CBA I was curious.

In comment 12159590 AJ23 said:

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Quote: Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 9s9 seconds ago Source says Giants will continue to try and sign JPP long-term after tag, but they're not afraid to let him play out 2015 for $14.813M.

It's been my opinion from the start that the Giants must first decide whether it is worth $ 14.8 m to keep JPP for one year in order to kick start Spags defense. If that works for them then the decision is clear.
The ball is now in JPP's court. If as some folks say "he will be unhappy" and gives a lackadaisical performance he will then make the Giants decision for them, and poison the well with other teams. If he plays lights out he will get a decent long term offer from the Giants and hopefully Spags will win over another keyplayer.

Up to the time it's signed by the player.

And if you're honest with yourself you know that JPP hasn't sniffed that level of play since.

Few businesses are run as poorly as sports teams manage their rosters, and that's never more clear than it is during the NFL free agency period. Teams look for quick fixes and ignore the reality that they are usually paying top dollar for something a player has already accomplished, and not what they figure to accomplish during the life of the contract they are about to dole out.

Why should anyone believe that JPP will stay committed to being in top shape after he is paid, when he couldn't even prove to do it after two seasons of a rookie contract? Why should we believe he will remain healthy as he gets older and plays more games, when he hasn't been consistently healthy to this point?

There just is no objective reason to trust that he will be worth the contract. It's a hard truth that is rarely accepted by fans...money erodes motivation, and there was reason from the beginning to question JPP's motivation to begin with.

Don't think about 2011 JPP, think about 2017 JPP.

to stay in shape thing is BS. Go look at JPP pictures in 2011 and JPP pictures in 2012 and tell me you see a real difference. This isn't something I'm annoyed at in hindsight, it's something I found stupid at the time it was happening. JPP is not a greek God body like a Mario Williams, the dude has fat in his ass and his belly. That lower body power is one of the reasons he's dominant in run D

In comment 12159757 BillT said:

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Up to the time it's signed by the player.

Thanks BillT