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Suh to The Giants Would Fix Entire defense

InvisibleBlack : 3/2/2015 2:19 pm
Safety position and LB corps are easy to fix. Don't know how Suh comes to the giants though.
Very helpful  
JonC : 3/2/2015 2:20 pm : link
Go ahead and list your prior handles, thanks.
An  
Semipro Lineman : 3/2/2015 2:20 pm : link
2/15-er?
That's whatchugot?  
chopperhatch : 3/2/2015 2:20 pm : link
That's it? Safety and LB are easy to fix?

Ok cool!
And he would fit into our current cap situation how exactly?  
figgy2989 : 3/2/2015 2:23 pm : link
Unless he wants to play for free of course.
Nucular missiles can be shot down by Patriot missiles  
chopperhatch : 3/2/2015 2:23 pm : link
Global warming and ISIS are easy to fix. Don't know about the rest...

What? Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
2/15 aint got nuttin  
Rocky369 : 3/2/2015 2:23 pm : link
on 3o5ers
is this  
MookGiants : 3/2/2015 2:25 pm : link
JerseyJoe's new dupe?
The OP's parents should have been fixed.  
Klaatu : 3/2/2015 2:26 pm : link
...
Why don't we trade for AP while we are at it  
GiantBlue : 3/2/2015 2:29 pm : link
and make an end run at Dez.....not having 2 1sts is easy to fix! HAHA
Nice to know Safety and LB is easy to fix  
gidiefor : Mod : 3/2/2015 2:33 pm : link
Since we haven't had a great LB corps in -- since the 1990's

and our Safety corps gets broked almost every year

somebody wanna talk to the Giants about how easy it is???

yep  
msh : 3/2/2015 2:37 pm : link
one meat head DT with a 10 cent head will fix the defence
right you are then
RE: And he would fit into our current cap situation how exactly?  
Giants2012 : 3/2/2015 2:37 pm : link
In comment 12159635 figgy2989 said:
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Unless he wants to play for free of course.


People who still think the Giants have cap issues don't understand the cap . . . still.
With the JPP tagging, you can forget about it  
jeff57 : 3/2/2015 2:40 pm : link
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RE: RE: And he would fit into our current cap situation how exactly?  
figgy2989 : 3/2/2015 2:53 pm : link
In comment 12159671 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12159635 figgy2989 said:


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Unless he wants to play for free of course.



People who still think the Giants have cap issues don't understand the cap . . . still.


Please explain how we will be able to take on a $15m (guess) cap number for Suh? We had roughly $25m in cap space before tagging JPP, figure $5 to $6m for draft. Unless we offer an extreme backloaded contract with a ton of guaranteed money, I don't see how it will work. There are many teams in a better cap situation than us who can offer a more intriguing offer.

am I missing something here? I know we can restructure guys (Eli, Prince, etc...), cut guys (Walton, Schwartz, etc...), but I am just not seeing how we could afford Suh.
this is the same guy  
B in ALB : 3/2/2015 2:57 pm : link
Who wants to trade up yet the 3rd pick and draft Williams.

And he also wants to bring back Cofield and Canty.
actually he's right  
djm : 3/2/2015 3:00 pm : link
Suh can play CB and safety along with DT. HE would fix the entire defense!
i was thinking NYKallday  
nygiants16 : 3/2/2015 3:02 pm : link
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Its actually quite easy to sign Suh for 15 mill a year  
Chip : 3/2/2015 3:02 pm : link
Extend Eli, resign JPP with larger signing bonus over 6 years. Realize were 90 mil under the 2016 cap with NO Eli signed in 2016 and expected cap of 150 mil. Its not that difficult to sign him if you want him.

If its only about the money then Oakland, Jags and others are going to be throwing money around and contracts are going to escalate. I think getting Eli and JPP done this week is important for the future of the franchise.
If we can  
old man : 3/2/2015 3:05 pm : link
live w/o him while he serves that likely suspension he gets annually.
Lol  
InvisibleBlack : 3/2/2015 3:06 pm : link
Dline would be fixed! We get Linebackers through draft and free agency. We drafted Kennard. We signed ROBERT AYERS FOR VET MIN! Really come on guys Ayers had the most sacks and was on the bench. NOTICE how I say "would" Obviously now that we signed JPP it took a lot of our cap away. Signing Suh is a very low possibility.
RE: this is the same guy  
InvisibleBlack : 3/2/2015 3:13 pm : link
In comment 12159728 B in ALB said:
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Who wants to trade up yet the 3rd pick and draft Williams.

And he also wants to bring back Cofield and Canty.



Lol wtf are you talking about? Cofield and canty come for low price. Trading up won't happen now. Besides I'd be happy with Cooper at 9 depending if all pans out.
RE: Its actually quite easy to sign Suh for 15 mill a year  
InvisibleBlack : 3/2/2015 3:15 pm : link
In comment 12159747 Chip said:
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Extend Eli, resign JPP with larger signing bonus over 6 years. Realize were 90 mil under the 2016 cap with NO Eli signed in 2016 and expected cap of 150 mil. Its not that difficult to sign him if you want him.

If its only about the money then Oakland, Jags and others are going to be throwing money around and contracts are going to escalate. I think getting Eli and JPP done this week is important for the future of the franchise.



I read somewhere that Beason is willing to restructure his contract to
RE: Nice to know Safety and LB is easy to fix  
InvisibleBlack : 3/2/2015 3:30 pm : link
In comment 12159658 gidiefor said:
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Since we haven't had a great LB corps in -- since the 1990's

and our Safety corps gets broked almost every year

somebody wanna talk to the Giants about how easy it is???


Lol we don't need a great Linebacking corps to win the Super Bowl. If you look back at 07 and 2011 we just need them to be good. Add a couple guys, have no injures and it's fixed.

I'm assuming we resign role.

Cooper Taylor was looking good....

I'm confident the Giants will make the right moves.
InvisibleBlack: The Giants did not sign Ayers for the veteran minimum.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/2/2015 3:33 pm : link
His first-year salary was vet min, but that was in addition to a $1MM signing bonus. He will make another $2MM this year, with a cap hit near $2.5MM. Or the Giants can release him in the next week to avoid paying his roster bonus, and take a $500K dead money hit.
Giants2012: It's not a question of understanding the cap.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/2/2015 3:38 pm : link
The problem for the Giants is that cap space is relative, not absolute. They have to bid for UFA talent against teams that have absurd amounts of cap space. While the Giants have no immediate cap issues, they are still at a disadvantage relative to the Raiders, Jags, Browns, Jets, Titans, etc.
RE: RE: RE: And he would fit into our current cap situation how exactly?  
Giants2012 : 3/2/2015 3:39 pm : link
In comment 12159711 figgy2989 said:
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Please explain how we will be able to take on a $15m (guess) cap number for Suh? We had roughly $25m in cap space before tagging JPP, figure $5 to $6m for draft. Unless we offer an extreme backloaded contract with a ton of guaranteed money, I don't see how it will work. There are many teams in a better cap situation than us who can offer a more intriguing offer.

am I missing something here? I know we can restructure guys (Eli, Prince, etc...), cut guys (Walton, Schwartz, etc...), but I am just not seeing how we could afford Suh.


It's easy. You just spread the bonus out and reallocate dollars toward other years. It's not the voodoo back loaded contract. The Giants have approx. $80+ million of space in 2016 just as they had a ton of space in 2015 when they signed a lot of players last offseason. Every single team does it. The Giants cap situation has NEVER been healthier.
RE: Giants2012: It's not a question of understanding the cap.  
Giants2012 : 3/2/2015 3:42 pm : link
In comment 12159839 Big Blue Blogger said:
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The problem for the Giants is that cap space is relative, not absolute. They have to bid for UFA talent against teams that have absurd amounts of cap space. While the Giants have no immediate cap issues, they are still at a disadvantage relative to the Raiders, Jags, Browns, Jets, Titans, etc.


Well, kinda. I'd say the Raiders are in the best shape. The Giants actually have more cap space than the Jets for 2016.

If a team really wants to go for broke and break the bank, yeah, somebody always wins but this delusion that the Giants have cap issues is crazy. They don't $25 million in cap space. They have $25 million in cap dollars this year. It's a budget and too many fans don't appear to understand it.
Giants2012  
figgy2989 : 3/2/2015 3:43 pm : link
I believe Suh is all about the money and there will be a team out there to give him what he wants who are in a better position now (2015) then we are.
figgy  
Giants2012 : 3/2/2015 3:51 pm : link
you're probably right. With teams having to spend at least 89% of the cap dollars I think the offering for free agents is going to be crazy. Even for some mediocre players the cost might be high.

Just thinking, with the cap still going up and this 89% rule in place, will an astronomical dollar amount for Suh look like a bargain in a year or two. I think the days of a $20 million dollar a year QB might get eclipsed by $30 million soon.

Giants2012: Good point about the need to take a multi-year view.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/2/2015 3:59 pm : link
If a team has several big contracts that balloon simultaneously, cap heaven can become cap hell pretty quickly. On the other hand, one shouldn't exaggerate the flexibility the Giants have with Eli Manning. He's expensive, and will always be expensive. You can make him cap-efficient for a year, but that's about it.

FWIW, I think the Jets are fine cap-wise, because they can cut Percy Harvin any time they need space. Their problem (unlike the Giants') is that they WISH they had a QB to overpay.
RE: figgy  
figgy2989 : 3/2/2015 4:03 pm : link
In comment 12159870 Giants2012 said:
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you're probably right. With teams having to spend at least 89% of the cap dollars I think the offering for free agents is going to be crazy. Even for some mediocre players the cost might be high.

Just thinking, with the cap still going up and this 89% rule in place, will an astronomical dollar amount for Suh look like a bargain in a year or two. I think the days of a $20 million dollar a year QB might get eclipsed by $30 million soon.


You are probably right and teams may overspend on a guy like Suh (especially those who need to spend a significant amount to reach that 89% threshold).
RE: Giants2012: Good point about the need to take a multi-year view.  
Giants2012 : 3/2/2015 4:10 pm : link
In comment 12159889 Big Blue Blogger said:
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(1) If a team has several big contracts that balloon simultaneously, cap heaven can become cap hell pretty quickly.


(2) On the other hand, one shouldn't exaggerate the flexibility the Giants have with Eli Manning. He's expensive, and will always be expensive. You can make him cap-efficient for a year, but that's about it.

(3) FWIW, I think the Jets are fine cap-wise, because they can cut Percy Harvin any time they need space. Their problem (unlike the Giants') is that they WISH they had a QB to overpay.


1. There is a quick fix. If you have three players who balloon all at once, you cut one (take the hit) and refinance the others. Granted, those dollars become guaranteed but there is a way. Having a Super Bowl roster makes it a bit tough while the Saints, what they've done, is quite amazing and literally cap stupidity.

2. But Eli's number has already been close to $20 million anyway.

Only a few players from the Super Bowl team remain. Nobody is really commanding too much, the cap has risen, the CBA calls for limited dollars allocated towards rookies for a prolonged period of time and veteran FA market always has inexpensive players (Jenkins, Patterson, etc).

It's almost tough to spend 89% of your cap. You almost have to allocate large sums of dollars for a player for a year to use up 89%.

3. The Jets need help in more ways than we can come up with :)
great line here:  
mattlawson : 3/2/2015 5:36 pm : link
"Suh and Odell Beckham are the two unique talents around whom we would most like to build a franchise."

imagine if we had both
Not Giant material  
Howyadoin : 3/2/2015 5:37 pm : link
...PASS!!
not a Giant  
NYG4246 : 3/2/2015 6:18 pm : link
......serious character concern.
We already got Spags.  
ballanda : 3/2/2015 11:11 pm : link
It's fixed! Woohoo!
I know the thread soudns kind of dumb, but there is some truth here  
PatersonPlank : 3/2/2015 11:39 pm : link
Having Suh (with Hankins and JPP) would give us a top notch DL. They would control the OL, freeing up the LB's to be free to stop the run. Also they would be tieing up all the OL on passing plays, which would make our blitzes much more successful (if the DL doesn't get there on their own). This would also help out the DB's.
Suh  
CT Charlie : 3/3/2015 10:56 am : link
and who?
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