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Schefter expects Giants to make a run at Ndamukong Suh

Vin_Cuccs : 3/2/2015 7:17 pm
On The Michael Kay Show this afternoon, Don LaGreca, Michael Kay and Dave Rothenberg were discussing the idea of the Jets signing Ndamukong Suh due to the fact that they have so much cap space.

A few minutes later, they had on Adam Schefter to discuss the NFL moves and happenings of the day. The hosts asked Schefter about the Jets going after Suh and if he fits their defensive scheme.

Schefter said he doesn't expect the Jets to go after Suh, but he does expect the Giants to make a serious run at him.

No idea if Schefter has info or if he was just speculating. I don't remember the exact wording he used as I was driving. Just sharing the info.
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The guards  
Semipro Lineman : 3/3/2015 11:32 am : link
numbers I can see. The safety numbers quoted in this thread are more doubtful in my mind.

The overall number of cap-space moves and "bargain" contact seems high to me especially since team management may not be considering the Giants to be just one or two moves away from being a serious superbowl contender status. Thus they may want to save some of those bargaining chips or chess moves for when they are closer.
Semi  
Coach Mason : 3/3/2015 11:39 am : link
I think there are enough safety options to land one at a reasonable contract and year 1 cap hit.

Even if Parker got the 6 he reportedly was asking for , for instance a contract of 5 years-30 million with 10 guaranteed.

.5m first year salary + amortized guaranteed still works out to a 2.5 mill year 1 cap hit.
RE: Reese has allocated heavy cap resources to the defensive line before  
dguy901 : 3/3/2015 11:39 am : link
In comment 12160704 Coach Mason said:
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In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that is their preference as the DL pass-rush is considered the most important right under Qb.

Suh makes great sense to re-establish the dominance of this DL and get us back in the conversation as a championship caliber team.

The cap situation as outlined in prior posts is workable.

Delirium runs rampant. There isn't any possible way the Giants can afford it! Also, look at teams with a top-riced QB and a top-priced DL-man and i will show you a team which didn't win a SB.
RE: RE: Reese has allocated heavy cap resources to the defensive line before  
Coach Mason : 3/3/2015 11:42 am : link
In comment 12161104 dguy901 said:
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In comment 12160704 Coach Mason said:


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In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that is their preference as the DL pass-rush is considered the most important right under Qb.

Suh makes great sense to re-establish the dominance of this DL and get us back in the conversation as a championship caliber team.

The cap situation as outlined in prior posts is workable.



Delirium runs rampant. There isn't any possible way the Giants can afford it! Also, look at teams with a top-riced QB and a top-priced DL-man and i will show you a team which didn't win a SB.


You mean like the 2007 Giants or the 2014 Patriots?
RE: RE: Reese has allocated heavy cap resources to the defensive line before  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/3/2015 11:49 am : link
In comment 12161104 dguy901 said:
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Delirium runs rampant. There isn't any possible way the Giants can afford it!



You are wrong. Just flat wrong if you think there is no possible way they can afford it.
It's not about cap room this year  
Big Rick in FL : 3/3/2015 12:16 pm : link
1st year cap hits are low. It would be about next year and after that. Which we only have 66 million committed next year. The cap is supposed to be at least 154 million. So we have plenty of space to sign him.
I just dont see it happening  
blueblood : 3/3/2015 12:22 pm : link
so im not going to even think about it !!!
maybe the Giants are planning  
nyynyg : 3/3/2015 12:25 pm : link
on not re-upping Eli's deal and going with Nassib the year after next on a team friendly contract playing out his rookie deal.

then they can afford Suh. LOL
RE: maybe the Giants are planning  
Giants2012 : 3/3/2015 12:33 pm : link
In comment 12161202 nyynyg said:
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on not re-upping Eli's deal and going with Nassib the year after next on a team friendly contract playing out his rookie deal.

then they can afford Suh. LOL


Well, then the Giants will likely have close to $80 million next offseason. Who do the Giants spend that cash on to get to 89%? "Hey Herzlich, here is an extra $20 million so we can get to 89%".

Kidding but the Giants, like everybody, has to spend the money.
if you have been paying attention the last 5-10 years  
djm : 3/3/2015 12:34 pm : link
it shouldn't come as a surprise that Reese would be planning to make a serious run at Suh. He's a Reese type player. If you can get to the QB Reese will want you and if you can get to the QB from the interior Reese will be foaming at the mouth to sign you.

I'd be shocked if the Giants don't make a serious offer to Suh.
This is a bad idea and it won't happen.  
Curtis in VA : 3/3/2015 12:34 pm : link
And for those who like to point out how Reese went after Haynesworth, how did that turn out for the team that landed him? A great example of why these things never work out.
with that said  
djm : 3/3/2015 12:35 pm : link
I don't think the offer will be enough...but it will probably make Suh think about it...

Giants have plenty of cap room.
RE: This is a bad idea and it won't happen.  
giants#1 : 3/3/2015 12:40 pm : link
In comment 12161212 Curtis in VA said:
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And for those who like to point out how Reese went after Haynesworth, how did that turn out for the team that landed him? A great example of why these things never work out.


I'm pretty sure Fat Albert had work ethic concerns even before his big deal. Nick Fairley is the DT that is more similar to AH in that regard, though he's never been as dominant.

I haven't seen any questions about Suh's work ethic or desire.
I said this last night  
djm : 3/3/2015 12:41 pm : link
and I think it's possible that the Giants feel that tagging JPP and signing Suh is not that crazy an idea. IF the Giants liked Suh more than JPP as a player, and I am not saying they do or don't but if they did, wouldn't it make sense to sign Suh to the long term deal and let JPP play for pay this year? Even if they decided to let JPP walk, in their eyes they kept the 'better' player for long term and they were able to field an insane DL for at least one year and sort of go all in...

If they like Suh as much or more than JPP it may not be so far fetched for the Giants to consider signing Suh and keeping the tag on JPP....that's not how they usually operate but it's an interesting and possibly smart way of handing this.

I was and am all for re-signing JPP long term but if you told me the Giants could ink Suh long term and keep JPP for at least one more year? I don't think that's a bad thing. If JPP walks you get the comp pick and still have the nastiest DT combo in the NFL. If JPP, for whatever reason decides to stay it's gravy.

Or the Giants could just sign both long term...yippee..
RE: RE: This is a bad idea and it won't happen.  
Curtis in VA : 3/3/2015 12:46 pm : link
In comment 12161224 giants#1 said:
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In comment 12161212 Curtis in VA said:


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And for those who like to point out how Reese went after Haynesworth, how did that turn out for the team that landed him? A great example of why these things never work out.



I'm pretty sure Fat Albert had work ethic concerns even before his big deal. Nick Fairley is the DT that is more similar to AH in that regard, though he's never been as dominant.

I haven't seen any questions about Suh's work ethic or desire.


Suh's desire to step on his opponents is caution enough.
we playing iron man football? Suh can play guard?  
GMAN4LIFE : 3/3/2015 12:48 pm : link
please stop... he is going to the raiders
I'd be for it  
Go Terps : 3/3/2015 12:49 pm : link
One of the best players in the sport. Can't see it happening, especially now with JPP franchised.
If this has been posted  
Headhunter : 3/3/2015 12:50 pm : link
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That to me sounds like Suh's agent  
blueblood : 3/3/2015 12:51 pm : link
sending that out to the NFL..
Given the need of the Giants and the availability of a premier NFL  
BeerFridge : 3/3/2015 12:57 pm : link
talent, it's not a stretch to say they're considering it. That's still a long way from a match.
It sure would be nice  
bceagle05 : 3/3/2015 12:59 pm : link
to have Suh and Hankins side by side to battle the Cowboys OL. I know the price is incredibly high, but if the money saved by not pursuing him ends up going toward another round of JD Waltons, Quintin Demps, and Rashad Jennings, etc., I'd rather have the HOF DT in his prime and figure out the rest later.
RE: That to me sounds like Suh's agent  
bceagle05 : 3/3/2015 1:00 pm : link
In comment 12161244 blueblood said:
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sending that out to the NFL..


No need for Suh's agent to do shit like that. His client will break the bank regardless of whether the Giants are interested.
RE: RE: That to me sounds like Suh's agent  
blueblood : 3/3/2015 1:04 pm : link
In comment 12161259 bceagle05 said:
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sending that out to the NFL..



No need for Suh's agent to do shit like that. His client will break the bank regardless of whether the Giants are interested.


Agents do it ALL The time. Why SHOULDNT his agent do it. You mean it wouldnt be smart to get teams thinking there would other destinations for SuH. There are teams with a TON of cap room. Jags.. Raiders.. Browns.. WASHINGTON...

Thats what agents do..
You really have to wonder  
Brandon Walsh : 3/3/2015 1:20 pm : link
if all of a sudden these Suh "leaks" are pointed right at the direction of JPP and his camp.

And for those that can't grasp the concept of how Suh's contract would effect JPP's contract, simple.

The Giants want JPP back at their price. They want it done soon so they can go into the open market with his cap numver lower than the franchise tag number. Obviously negotiations aren't going anywhere so they are looking for anything to move the momentum back on their side. JPP has a 15 million guaranteed to him at the moment, as well as knowing the Giants want him back long term. With him tying up a huge chunk of money pre free agency. Why would they cave now?

If JPP and his camp start to feel the that the long term guaranteed money may not be there if they make a run at Suh, it may pressure them to come closer to the Giants number.

JPP's cap number is currently the most flexible number the Giants have to work with. Eli is the trump card but that may be for next year which seems more and more likely, they aren't sold on extending Prince to top CB dollar yet and Beason's number isn't moving the needle.
BDub  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:25 pm : link
ding ding
My take is  
Headhunter : 3/3/2015 1:28 pm : link
JPP has a big year, he will get paid. The leverage for the Giants is the same as it's always been " if I get hurt, there goes the money "
I'm not  
MookGiants : 3/3/2015 1:33 pm : link
quite sure that the Giants definitely want Pierre Paul locked up long term. The 15 million cap number is a problem but I think they may actually want him to play out the year on the franchise tender and prove he can stay healthy and have a great year. Not sure a long term deal for JPP right now is a good thing from the giants perspective. He's not signing a team friendly deal no matter how much pressure they put on him
Anyone saying we shouldn't sign him or "don't have the money"  
NoGainDayne : 3/3/2015 1:37 pm : link
should get their heads checked. Consider the following:

1. IMO he is a top 5 or 10 defender in the league, if you can add a player like that at the right price you do it, always.

2. Why wouldn't we do our diligence? There are prices i'd happily have him on the team for and those in which I wouldn't. He seems to want to play in NY, we could get creative with the structure there isn't a reason in the world not to take a run at him at our price.

3. JPP getting tagged doesn't mean he is going to play for that. IMO if we sigh Suh we could get a desperate Detroit team to give up a high pick for him. We'd have significant leverage in negotiations with him or trading him to another team. (I believe we can actually pull back the tag as well, until he signs it)

4. We could easily restructure Eli's deal and make him AND Suh's number this year LESS than his current number.

5. We do have other holes and ways to get additional funds as people have mentioned but the bottom line with FA is that you generally overpay for average or above average people. It's seen time and time again that the draft is the best way to build but if you do have a real shot at a superstar on the market you do whatever it takes to grab them.

6. Sorry, I like JPP but he isn't Suh. Again, the prices have to be right on both of them but if it comes down to one or the other give me Suh, in a NY minute.
I'd heard awhile back  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:38 pm : link
they want him long-term at $11-12M per, so they've got their work cut out for them to try and bring down his demands. I believe it was Serby who reported the same a couple weeks ago, so I believe it's accurate.

4/44-48, 5/55 ... something like that with $20M guar ballpark is the estimated endgame for NYG. It will be an interesting dance.
that was for Mook  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
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Suh  
pjcas18 : 3/3/2015 1:40 pm : link
to Miami gaining steam.
RE: I'd heard awhile back  
MookGiants : 3/3/2015 1:44 pm : link
In comment 12161361 JonC said:
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they want him long-term at $11-12M per, so they've got their work cut out for them to try and bring down his demands. I believe it was Serby who reported the same a couple weeks ago, so I believe it's accurate.

4/44-48, 5/55 ... something like that with $20M guar ballpark is the estimated endgame for NYG. It will be an interesting dance.


I can't fathom him signing that type of deal especially with only 20 million guaranteed. On a deal like that i'd bring him back long term but I just dont see him signing that type of deal.
RE: Suh  
blueblood : 3/3/2015 1:44 pm : link
In comment 12161365 pjcas18 said:
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to Miami gaining steam.


No state income tax. That will save 5-8 million easy.
JonC  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:44 pm : link
to Miami also gaining steam.
Mook  
JonC : 3/3/2015 1:46 pm : link
Nor me but it gaves NYG room to increase their offer quite a bit. If JPP really wants to stay, he'll lower his demands. If he really wants market dollars, he's gone next Spring, if not sooner.
I'm really  
MookGiants : 3/3/2015 1:48 pm : link
not that opposed to letting him playing out his franchise tender. I actually prefer it.
RE: JonC  
pjcas18 : 3/3/2015 1:50 pm : link
In comment 12161379 JonC said:
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to Miami also gaining steam.


great place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.

but that's just me.
RE: I'm really  
pjcas18 : 3/3/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12161388 MookGiants said:
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not that opposed to letting him playing out his franchise tender. I actually prefer it.


I can see both sides. But..if the Giants do intend/would like to extend him, it makes no sense to have him play on the FT. The Giants could wind up like the Pats with Welker.

When you consider for 10M more guaranteed over the FT amount they could sign JPP for 5 or 6 years, having him play for 15M guaranteed for one year doesn't make sense.

the Pats kept trying to use the Welker 10M from the FT in their negotiations (like you already got 10M from us for 2012, so for 2013 let's make it 8M guaranteed and that's 18M for two years - more than many WR's are getting...)
RE: Mook  
nyynyg : 3/3/2015 1:54 pm : link
In comment 12161385 JonC said:
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Nor me but it gaves NYG room to increase their offer quite a bit. If JPP really wants to stay, he'll lower his demands. If he really wants market dollars, he's gone next Spring, if not sooner.


am I the only one that thinks it is absolutely certain it is the latter and not the former with JPP. He doesn't strike me as leaning toward or loyal to Giants in any way. In fact, even money deal or close, I still think JPP could be the type to elect a different market. (hey, his choice, not giving him a hard time, that is just the way the guy strikes me)
Mook  
JonC : 3/3/2015 2:02 pm : link
I'm ok with him playing out the tender as well, I think we have a similar sense of him as the team, at the moment (granted with a lot less facts).
Dolphins at 9mill under  
Coach Mason : 3/3/2015 2:15 pm : link
Then 44mill under in 2016. NYG comparatively is at about the same with the JPP tag now and then 84mill under next year.

I could definitely see the Giants using this as leverage for JPP but I could also see them making a run at Suh too.
Vachianno thinks so too  
robrosz : 3/3/2015 2:32 pm : link
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NYG isn't going to make a DT the league's highest paid defender  
JonC : 3/3/2015 2:40 pm : link
write it down.
RE: NYG isn't going to make a DT the league's highest paid defender  
chris r : 3/3/2015 2:41 pm : link
In comment 12161488 JonC said:
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write it down.


Was the reported interest in Haynesworth not real?
What I was told at the time  
JonC : 3/3/2015 2:43 pm : link
was the BIG NYG numbers being floated in the media were put out there by AH's agent, but the actual offer Reese made was somewhere in the $40-50M range.
RE: Vachianno thinks so too  
RicFlair : 3/3/2015 2:44 pm : link
In comment 12161476 robrosz said:
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I wonder if his sources is schefter.
RE: What I was told at the time  
pjcas18 : 3/3/2015 2:49 pm : link
In comment 12161495 JonC said:
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was the BIG NYG numbers being floated in the media were put out there by AH's agent, but the actual offer Reese made was somewhere in the $40-50M range.


I heard "at least 50M" too from someone with firsthand knowledge. Haynesworth though reported the Giants 80M offer AFTER he signed with Washington, and I don't recall it being floated before, but regardless the Giants were prepared to offer a ton of money to Haynesworth and there is good reason to believe they're prepared to do the same with Suh.
Suh wants to be highest paid defender  
JonC : 3/3/2015 2:53 pm : link
NYG isn't paying that money to a DT, so he needs to set his sights much lower in order to make it happen.
RE: RE: NYG isn't going to make a DT the league's highest paid defender  
Coach Mason : 3/3/2015 3:01 pm : link
In comment 12161491 chris r said:
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write it down.



Was the reported interest in Haynesworth not real?


From the article:

But there is no doubt some in the Giants organization view Suh, who had 8 ½ sacks last season, to be just as much of a game-changer on defense as a top defensive end. With a healthy Pierre-Paul at one end and Suh and an emerging Johnathan Hankins in the middle, new defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo would have three-fourths of a dangerous front line.

If he really wants to play in NY for marketing purposes as has been reported this may not be out of the realm of possibility.

JonC  
Michael 123 : 3/3/2015 3:07 pm : link
I think Mook hit on it earlier. JPP's numbers at the end of the year are inflated similiar to Tuck's were the year prior. During the year when we needed it most he was mostly a non factor. Could this be leverage yes, could the Giants have an interest yes, and I believe they do have interest. What they have to decide is that given his injury history and habit of taking of some plays how much of an investment is JPP worth, and I'm sure as with any player he thinks he's worth more than the FO does. Would it shock me to see Suh and JPP, to a degree as I think it's likely one or the other not both.. I personally think Suh is the higher impact player and would help us more in the long run even if he costs more.
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