On The Michael Kay Show this afternoon, Don LaGreca, Michael Kay and Dave Rothenberg were discussing the idea of the Jets signing Ndamukong Suh due to the fact that they have so much cap space.
A few minutes later, they had on Adam Schefter to discuss the NFL moves and happenings of the day. The hosts asked Schefter about the Jets going after Suh and if he fits their defensive scheme.
Schefter said he doesn't expect the Jets to go after Suh, but he does expect the Giants to make a serious run at him.
No idea if Schefter has info or if he was just speculating. I don't remember the exact wording he used as I was driving. Just sharing the info.
The overall number of cap-space moves and "bargain" contact seems high to me especially since team management may not be considering the Giants to be just one or two moves away from being a serious superbowl contender status. Thus they may want to save some of those bargaining chips or chess moves for when they are closer.
Even if Parker got the 6 he reportedly was asking for , for instance a contract of 5 years-30 million with 10 guaranteed.
.5m first year salary + amortized guaranteed still works out to a 2.5 mill year 1 cap hit.
Suh makes great sense to re-establish the dominance of this DL and get us back in the conversation as a championship caliber team.
The cap situation as outlined in prior posts is workable.
Delirium runs rampant. There isn't any possible way the Giants can afford it! Also, look at teams with a top-riced QB and a top-priced DL-man and i will show you a team which didn't win a SB.
Quote:
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if that is their preference as the DL pass-rush is considered the most important right under Qb.
Suh makes great sense to re-establish the dominance of this DL and get us back in the conversation as a championship caliber team.
The cap situation as outlined in prior posts is workable.
Delirium runs rampant. There isn't any possible way the Giants can afford it! Also, look at teams with a top-riced QB and a top-priced DL-man and i will show you a team which didn't win a SB.
You mean like the 2007 Giants or the 2014 Patriots?
You are wrong. Just flat wrong if you think there is no possible way they can afford it.
then they can afford Suh. LOL
then they can afford Suh. LOL
Well, then the Giants will likely have close to $80 million next offseason. Who do the Giants spend that cash on to get to 89%? "Hey Herzlich, here is an extra $20 million so we can get to 89%".
Kidding but the Giants, like everybody, has to spend the money.
I'd be shocked if the Giants don't make a serious offer to Suh.
Giants have plenty of cap room.
I'm pretty sure Fat Albert had work ethic concerns even before his big deal. Nick Fairley is the DT that is more similar to AH in that regard, though he's never been as dominant.
I haven't seen any questions about Suh's work ethic or desire.
If they like Suh as much or more than JPP it may not be so far fetched for the Giants to consider signing Suh and keeping the tag on JPP....that's not how they usually operate but it's an interesting and possibly smart way of handing this.
I was and am all for re-signing JPP long term but if you told me the Giants could ink Suh long term and keep JPP for at least one more year? I don't think that's a bad thing. If JPP walks you get the comp pick and still have the nastiest DT combo in the NFL. If JPP, for whatever reason decides to stay it's gravy.
Or the Giants could just sign both long term...yippee..
Quote:
And for those who like to point out how Reese went after Haynesworth, how did that turn out for the team that landed him? A great example of why these things never work out.
I'm pretty sure Fat Albert had work ethic concerns even before his big deal. Nick Fairley is the DT that is more similar to AH in that regard, though he's never been as dominant.
I haven't seen any questions about Suh's work ethic or desire.
Suh's desire to step on his opponents is caution enough.
Link - ( New Window )
No need for Suh's agent to do shit like that. His client will break the bank regardless of whether the Giants are interested.
Quote:
sending that out to the NFL..
No need for Suh's agent to do shit like that. His client will break the bank regardless of whether the Giants are interested.
Agents do it ALL The time. Why SHOULDNT his agent do it. You mean it wouldnt be smart to get teams thinking there would other destinations for SuH. There are teams with a TON of cap room. Jags.. Raiders.. Browns.. WASHINGTON...
Thats what agents do..
And for those that can't grasp the concept of how Suh's contract would effect JPP's contract, simple.
The Giants want JPP back at their price. They want it done soon so they can go into the open market with his cap numver lower than the franchise tag number. Obviously negotiations aren't going anywhere so they are looking for anything to move the momentum back on their side. JPP has a 15 million guaranteed to him at the moment, as well as knowing the Giants want him back long term. With him tying up a huge chunk of money pre free agency. Why would they cave now?
If JPP and his camp start to feel the that the long term guaranteed money may not be there if they make a run at Suh, it may pressure them to come closer to the Giants number.
JPP's cap number is currently the most flexible number the Giants have to work with. Eli is the trump card but that may be for next year which seems more and more likely, they aren't sold on extending Prince to top CB dollar yet and Beason's number isn't moving the needle.
1. IMO he is a top 5 or 10 defender in the league, if you can add a player like that at the right price you do it, always.
2. Why wouldn't we do our diligence? There are prices i'd happily have him on the team for and those in which I wouldn't. He seems to want to play in NY, we could get creative with the structure there isn't a reason in the world not to take a run at him at our price.
3. JPP getting tagged doesn't mean he is going to play for that. IMO if we sigh Suh we could get a desperate Detroit team to give up a high pick for him. We'd have significant leverage in negotiations with him or trading him to another team. (I believe we can actually pull back the tag as well, until he signs it)
4. We could easily restructure Eli's deal and make him AND Suh's number this year LESS than his current number.
5. We do have other holes and ways to get additional funds as people have mentioned but the bottom line with FA is that you generally overpay for average or above average people. It's seen time and time again that the draft is the best way to build but if you do have a real shot at a superstar on the market you do whatever it takes to grab them.
6. Sorry, I like JPP but he isn't Suh. Again, the prices have to be right on both of them but if it comes down to one or the other give me Suh, in a NY minute.
4/44-48, 5/55 ... something like that with $20M guar ballpark is the estimated endgame for NYG. It will be an interesting dance.
4/44-48, 5/55 ... something like that with $20M guar ballpark is the estimated endgame for NYG. It will be an interesting dance.
I can't fathom him signing that type of deal especially with only 20 million guaranteed. On a deal like that i'd bring him back long term but I just dont see him signing that type of deal.
No state income tax. That will save 5-8 million easy.
great place to visit, wouldn't want to live there.
but that's just me.
I can see both sides. But..if the Giants do intend/would like to extend him, it makes no sense to have him play on the FT. The Giants could wind up like the Pats with Welker.
When you consider for 10M more guaranteed over the FT amount they could sign JPP for 5 or 6 years, having him play for 15M guaranteed for one year doesn't make sense.
the Pats kept trying to use the Welker 10M from the FT in their negotiations (like you already got 10M from us for 2012, so for 2013 let's make it 8M guaranteed and that's 18M for two years - more than many WR's are getting...)
am I the only one that thinks it is absolutely certain it is the latter and not the former with JPP. He doesn't strike me as leaning toward or loyal to Giants in any way. In fact, even money deal or close, I still think JPP could be the type to elect a different market. (hey, his choice, not giving him a hard time, that is just the way the guy strikes me)
I could definitely see the Giants using this as leverage for JPP but I could also see them making a run at Suh too.
Link - ( New Window )
Was the reported interest in Haynesworth not real?
I wonder if his sources is schefter.
I heard "at least 50M" too from someone with firsthand knowledge. Haynesworth though reported the Giants 80M offer AFTER he signed with Washington, and I don't recall it being floated before, but regardless the Giants were prepared to offer a ton of money to Haynesworth and there is good reason to believe they're prepared to do the same with Suh.
Quote:
write it down.
Was the reported interest in Haynesworth not real?
From the article:
But there is no doubt some in the Giants organization view Suh, who had 8 ½ sacks last season, to be just as much of a game-changer on defense as a top defensive end. With a healthy Pierre-Paul at one end and Suh and an emerging Johnathan Hankins in the middle, new defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo would have three-fourths of a dangerous front line.
If he really wants to play in NY for marketing purposes as has been reported this may not be out of the realm of possibility.