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Pre-FA/Draft player discussion for NYG Offseason (LONG)

shocktheworld : 3/2/2015 10:21 pm
I like to throw out some draft prospects before the combine, and also tie in the potential FA class that would impact our draft strategy. Obviously it's not an all inclusive list, just some of my favorite targets for both FA and the draft.


2015 NYG Free Agency "Haul":

Da'Norris Searcy SS 5-11, 207 lbs (26 years old)


I think Antrel Rolle is gone (which sucks, but better one year too early than 2 years too late), so we need to address safety aggressively in FA.

Searcy is a young, rising player that hasn't hit his prime quite yet.

Searcy stepped in for Jarius Byrd and had a really nice year for a very good defense. In 14 games, including 13 starts, Searcy had 58 tackles, three interceptions, one forced fumble, five passes defensed and a half sack. The Bills have Duke Johnson in house to replace Searcy, so the odds are he will leave Buffalo. He has a blend of run stopper and play maker that Spags could use in the Rolle role (tee hee).

I really like Ron Parker, but he's already said he wants 6 mil a year, and I don't want to spend that much on a safety. I think Searcy would sign in the 3-4 mil per year area, and has his best football in front of him. He's an ascending talent.

Mason Foster MLB 6-1, 245 lbs (25 years old)


Foster will never be a Patrick Willis type player, but he is young and still improving. He is a good blitzer and can get from sideline to sideline effectively. He won't be able to cover RB/TE man to man, but he has the ability to cover fairly well in a zone. He is a leader and brings a physical style to the middle. He can QB the Defense and make the correct calls. Good not great player, but he should command the appropriate payday as well. Jon Beason simply can't be counted on to stay healthy, and now is the time to sign a young, ascending player to man the middle. Look at this stat that I pulled from Bleacher Report on Foster:

2014 Buccaneers Defense with and without Mason Foster

Ave pts Total yd Pass yds Rush yds
With Foster 21.7 337.7 223.3 114.4
Without Foster 34 437.6 316.6 121

So the kid makes a significant difference overall, even if his stats have never jumped off the page individually. IMO, he'd be a nice, safe centerpiece to build the LB'er core around. Oh and cheap...haha

Dan Williams DT 6-2, 330 lbs (27 years old)


Do you see a bit of a trend on D? Yes, I would like to get stronger up the middle (backbone) of our Defense. We have a really good young DT in J Hankins, and if we put a player the caliber of Danny Williams next to him....whoa...it will transform our defense in so many ways. We can no longer put up league worse rushing D numbers, it simply IS NOT GIANTS FOOTBALL!! Stuffing the run puts the opposing offense in longer 2nd and 3rd downs and will give the ball back to our offense more times per game which equals more scoring opportunites. It also limits what opposing offenses can do from a gameplan standpoint. If they can run, then we can be more aggressive in passing plays, and create more turnovers...again giving the Offense more chances to score.

I truly believe shutting down the run creates an identity the breeds confidence through the entire defense. Guys feel good about the scheme, and positive plays start to add up, and next thing you know...you've got a Defense with a swagger that creates an advantage every week.

Dan Willams was a terrific prospect out of Tennessee that Arizona snagged in the first round back in 2010. He has been a run stuffing nose tackle for the Cardinals, but was seen was considered versatile enough to play 4-3 defensive tackle coming out of college. He played all along the defensive line in 2014, so I have no doubt he could play in a 4-3 scheme. He is big and is great against the run. He has a couple of sacks in his career but was never really asked to do more than stuff the run.

He as a 1st round pick but he has only played about 30 percent of the Cardinals snaps since being drafted. He is the guy that always came out in nickel sets. He has the skill set to set the tone on the ground game, but also has the AA to be a factor in pressuring the QB. He is young, talented and really was in a system that didn't allow him to fully blossom.

He won't come cheap, but also could be signed to deal that wouldn't break the bank.

He is one of the handful of FA's that I hope the Giants go hard after, because his best football is coming up in the next few years.
This brings me to the next FA that I really hope Jerry goes after:
Orlando Franklin OT/G 6-6, 315 lbs (27 years old)

No doubt, the Giants have to sign at least one impact player to fortify our Oline.

I strongly believe Franklin is the best choice due to his ability to play either RT or G at a very high level. Franklin played right tackle for his first three professional seasons. He then became the Broncos' starting left guard in 2014. Regardless of position, Franklin has been a mainstay in Denver's offense. The lineman has started every game of his four-year career, with the exception of one outing in 2013.

His skill set allows us to let him and Pugh sort out their starting spots on the field. If Pugh can't hold off Franklin for the starting RT spot, then so be it, we can kick Pugh in side to RG and get after it. Vice verse works out fine too since either way we lock up the right side of our line. This allows our Oline investment last year (Schwartz) to play his (better performing IMO) LG spot while hoping Beatty can continue his rebound at LT and Richburg settles in at center.

Honestly, this line could end up being very servicable and potentially very good. But, it all depends on if we can get a versatile player like Franklin. He won't be cheap, but he can play 2 positions at a high level, and is worth the money invested, IMO.

Gabe Carimi OT/G 6-7, 320 lbs (26 years old)


This signing would be a depth signing only, but Carimi is a former 1st round pick/bust of the Bears and 26. He signed a cheap one year deal with the Falcons last year, and would be signed for vet minimum wherever he ends up.

I like that he can play either tackle or guard, and maybe I still have some thoughts in my head of his Wisconsin days....he looked like a future stud coming out of Madison.
If he can get in Flaherty's system and be rehabilitated, he has all the skills of a top flight lineman. I think he'd be worth a shot, and if he doesn't work out then we didn't invest much.

We need to sign some depth, but I'd prefer we go after talented players that still have some runway in their career to hopefully turn the page.

Sean Weatherspoon OLB 6-2, 245 lbs (27 years old)


Let me start by identifying myself as one of the guys who was screaming for 'Spoon to be our pick in the 2010 Draft. It turns out the Giants made the better pick, but really only because of Sean's extensive injury history in his 4 years.He has only played in 20 out of 48 games in the past 3 years, missing all of last season with a torn achilles.

His only full season (16 games played) came in 2011, but he was a force on defense for the Falcons that year and has all the leadership, smarts, and abilities you'd want in a game changing linebacker.

Now...his injury history is really the only reason I have him on this list, because without it he would already be locked up long term with the Falcons. Now, they want him back, but he will have to sign a prove it/cheap deal to get back on the field. I look at him almost exactly like Jon Beason, they are eerily similar on every level IMO, except 'Spoon is younger and would be a better gamble just based on that. Plus, it be cool to hear 'Spoooooooooon' echoing through the stadium after he makes a big play haha.

If you can get him cheap, and he is able to stay healthy, we would have the dynamic LB'er we've needed since Jesse Armstead. (AP was a different kind of player)

If we can get Foster in the middle, 'Spoon at WLB and Kennard playing SAM/RUSH we have a pretty damn good set of Linebackers.

Again, either him or Beason (on the field) would be great, but I would rather cut Beason and take the same chance/risk with 'Spoon due to his younger age.

Derrick Morgan 6-3, 260 lbs (26 years old)

Speaking of the 2010 draft, here is another gentleman that was hotly debated for our pick. Many though JPP was a huge risk based simply on upside/AA, and that Morgan was the polished/NFL ready product.

He got hurt his rookie year, and most recently was put in a 3-4 OLB role in Tennessee. He actually played pretty well in that role, but many believe his best position is still with his hand in the dirt for a 4-3 alignment.

Tennessee is said to be moving on from him and allowing him to hit FA. It really will depend of how the market shapes out for him from a defensive front alignment. Do teams think of him as a 3-4 LB, or a 4-3 end?

I actually think this could end up in our favor to sign him. He is not an elite 3-4 rusher, and won't command the type of money that would take him off our menu. I think we pair him up with JPP, and net a pair of really solid DE's for Spags to work with. This allows Ayers to come in as a pass rush specialist, and gives Spags 3 nice DE's to scheme with.

If the money ends up making sense, signing Morgan would be a potentially huge addition to our defense.
Cecil Shorts 6-0, 202 lbs (27 years old)


This is one of my "must sign" players for the 2015 offseason. There is not another WR on the market that holds the value/bargain of Cecil Shorts. The kid has a blend of playmaker and possession receiver that will fit into our WR core seamlessly. He is very talented, but has played on the Jaguars for 4 years (OUCH!!) and hasn't ever had a good QB/offense to enable him to shine. If he signs to the right situation, I believe Shorts will be one of the top 5 steals of the 2015 off-season. He is that talented IMO.

Now...he has had some soft tissue issues over his career that have caused him to miss some games...we all know how frustrating a tweaked hamstring can be...but this will be factored into the relative cheap price tag that will put on signing Shorts. The fact is, he has good size/speed, and rarely drops passes. He is a good blocker down field and can line up outside or in the slot. Also he is a reknown good guy in the locker room and clean as a whistle off the field. High character player.

The Giants need to grab this kid, and if he can avoid injury, best case we will have a nice player 3/4 WR for Eli to work with and worst case he can be insurance for Cruz not coming back in 2015.

Jacquizz Rodgers 5-6, 200 lbs (25 years old)


I actually feel pretty good about the Giants RB core moving forward into 2015. The 2015 RB class is absolutely stacked with talent, and the Giants could wait to pick someone in the draft. I have several draft picks that I like, but we're in FA and there is one player I have my eye on for NYG...Jacq Rodgers

I loved watching Rodgers at Oregon St. Yes, he is short at 5'6, but he is a solid 200 lb bowling ball. Now he will never be your lead back, but we don't need him to be.

He excels in a role that is ready made for our current backfield....Change of pace, lightning strike. He is great at pass pro, and catches the ball at a high level. He is the screen pass/out in the flat mismatch that we need to complete our lead back bruisers. The perfect 3rd down back.

He wasn't used much in Atlanta, and I think he can excel in a west coast offense that gives him more touches.

In four years with the Falcons he averaged (yearly) 40 catches for 300 yds, and 76 rushes for 280 yds. Nothing to write home about for sure, but he also has very little wear and tear, and is still only 25.

Rodgers is going to be very cheap, and is the C.O.P back that I am hoping the Giants bring on board.

2015 NFL Draft-NYG Picks: 9,40,74,105,136,170,201,219

Again, NOT an all inclusive list, just 4 players for each round. These are players I have watched on youtube/live games and took a few notes...now I am a novice and want that front and center! I just love the Draft and this is a way for me to share what I've discovered with fellow Jint fans.

For the draft class rankings I used CBS Sports NFLDRAFTTRACKER. I have always like Rob Rang's approach to the draft and feel he is pretty reliable. Now we know alot can change in the next 2 months...

Again I have 4 players per pick to try and be more realistic of a true draft board. These are just a few players each round guys...just a discussion starter, so sorry if you favs or sleepers aren't there. I'd be happy to hear who you guys like too!

The number in parenthesis after each player is their overall ranking per the website. Ex). Peat (#13) he is the number 13 overall prospect on their board. I used these rankings to correlate with our draft choices (pick #9,40.etc.), respectively.

This is so people won't say, NO WAY HE LASTS THAT LONG, or THAT PICK IS WAY TOO EARLY...again, I am on BBI everyday, so I know the crowd...but this is the only way I can project the players for our specific draft pick.


Round One, Pick #9

Andrus Peat OT, 6-7 315 lbs. Stanford (#13)


There is no clear cut, blue chip Left Tackle in this draft class. It's unlucky for us with a top 10 pick, but it is what it is. I like Scherff out of Iowa, but most feel he will be a guard in the pros. An All Pro Guard, but a guard nonetheless. My philosophy is that a top ten player needs to be one at the premium positions: LT, WR, DE, etc.

I think Andrus Peat is going to be a very good LT in the NFL. He has all the makings of an elite blind side protector, and gets after it in the run game too. He has the size and length scouts covet, and combines it with nimble feet/AA ability. He has the size of a right tackle, but the feet of a LT... He has played on the Stanford Oline since his true freshman year, and has played with NFL level starters for 4 years and held his own.

He is a bit of a gentle giant, which is fine off the field, but on the field he needs to play with more fire. He isn't as nasty as his stature would imply, and it shows up in his run blocking from time to time. Also, he has some bad fat on him, that frankly is weird looking for a top athlete. Hopefully in an NFL diet/training program he can shape his body better.

With that said, he is my favorite LT in this class, and he still is developing. He has everything you could want in a LT, and will get better once he's in the league.

Danny Shelton DT, 6-2 340 lbs. Washington (#7)


How would you like to put Haloti Ngata in the middle of our defense for the next 8-9 years? Think that would help get our defensive rush numbers out of the garbage? Putting this kid next to Hankins would be a revelation for our Dline. Teams would not be able to run the ball up the middle of our D, guaranteed. Plus, Shelton is more than a double team eater, he is quick and athletic, and will knife into the backfield and be a factor in QB pressure. These type of big boys only come around every few years, and ask the Ravens or Pats (Wilfork) linebackers how much they love have those guys in a position to allow them to fly to the ball?

Shelton would be a mismatch for every Oline, and would make our entire front 7 better from day one. I just hope he won't shoot past us into the top 5 after the combine, because he is going to wow the scouts with his AA at 340 lbs...

I would love to see this kid added to Big Blue

Amari Cooper WR, 6-1 210 lbs. Alabama (#5)


Well, once again the combine had a huge effect on the WR class. Cooper is the #1 WR prospect, but DeVante Parker and Kevin White have the one thing Cooper is missing...Size...

White and Parker now are in the top 10 discussion with an impressive combine showing, especially White who looked like a beast!

But, with that said, if I had my choice of the 3 I'm still going with Cooper. He is one of the smoothest WR's I have seen in recent college football memory. Plus he goes from standstill to top speed in a blink. Qb's will love his precise route running ability, and once he gets the ball in his hands he can make magic happen.

Putting him with ODB Jr. and (hopefully) Cruz, would form the best WR combo in the NFL. He will quickly adapt to the NFL and should contribute at a high level from day one.

Eli would be a happy man if JR pulls the trigger on Cooper at #9

Landon Collins, SS 6-0 222 lbs. Alabama (#16)


Part of the new era of pass happy offense is the importance it has placed on having an athletic safety who can cover and support the run. There aren't many Earl Thomas' out there, and it's obvious how valuable he is to his team.

Collins has all the the potential to be an impact player like Thomas. He is a very fluid athlete with quick feet, but he isn't at his best in man to man coverage. He is more of the enforcer ala Ronnie Lott that will dominate the secondary with physical play. He is a beast in run support and hit likes a mack truck. He will need to be paired with someone who handles the coverage duties, while he punishes the run game and crossing patterns.

We have more uncertainty at safety than we have for quite a bit. Rolle is turning 33 and may not be an option to re-sign depending on his money stance. With that said, I just don't see us taking a safety as a top 10 pick. Especially one that is not the total package. Collins is a good player, but we need someone that will be great for #9 in the draft. But, if the Giants see him as the BPA for us, then we will have a good player at a need position.


Round Two, Pick #40

AJ Cann, OG 6-3 311 lbs. S. Carolina (#44)


If you want a bulldozing LG that will start and play well from day one, then you draft an AJ Cann. He is a prototype run blocking, power football guard. He was also named a permanent captain his junior year (check that box) and was very consistent over his Gamecock career and make a quick impact as a freshman All-American who then started every game (51) except one over the next 4 years. He was 1st team ALL-SEC in 2014.

He probably won't wow at the Combine but the kid is strong and put together exactly how you'd like a guard to be. His coaches love him and he will be a great locker room guy. Very coachable, and WANTS to get better...can't ask for a safer pick in my IMO. He will play LG for 10 years at a high level, and be a team leader.

Some project him to the 1st round, Rang has him in the front half of the 2nd round. If he is there at #40, we have to think long and hard about taking him. He is one of the safest picks in the 2015 Draft.

Arik Armstead,DE 6-7 295 lbs. Oregon (#38)


Elite Upside...what is this gamble worth? In 2010 many people thought the Giants took a risk on an athletic freak who had only breifly flashed in college...JPP did backflips and it was hard not to say WOW...What if?

Arik Armstead is very much in this same category. At 6'7 300 lbs he is an athletic marvel. Guys that big aren't supposed to be able move that fast. He has all the tools you look for in an elite Defensive star.

So why is he available in the front half of the 2nd round instead of top 5? Well, in 3 years he only has 4 sacks...yikes! Not what you'd like to see from a production stand point, right? Well, let's keep in mind a couple of things. First off, he is only 20 years old..so he will continue to mature physically (imagine that) and mentally. I actually view his age as a positive. Rather a 20 year old draft pick than a 24-25 old man, haha (yes that was a Aaron Ross dig).

Only thing to keep in mind is that Oregon was playing him as a 5 Technique in their 3-4 which is never going to produce huge stats. He was a force in the run game, and often teams double him up on virtually every play. This explains some of the missing sacks, etc.

Many of his issues look to be technique related as he has power and bend naturally. With the right coach and scheme this kid could end up being really special. Also, with his size you can move him all over the line to create mismatches every play. Plus, can you imagine having 2 freaks like him and JPP? Spags just got a woodie...

It all comes down to risk...I don't like risking a premium pick, but the potential reward is a top 5 talent...Jerry gets paid to make these tough choices, and there are only a few guys like Armstead walking the earth... I think he'd be worth the chance and will end up making a team very happy.


Carl Davis, DT 6-5 321 lbs. Iowa(#48)


Carl Davis is one of my favorites in the entire draft. After a nice Senior Bowl week (He was named practice player of the week) he is rising up boards. He may even shoot passed us at #40 and into the back half of the 1st round.

He models his game after Suh (hopefully without the asshole) and is a run stopper with some quicks. He only has 3.5 career sacks, but was a force in both the run and pass against top quality comp in Mobile. He is a player that does all the dirty work (eats up double teams, penetrates backfield) that creates stats/opportunities for his teammates.

He reminds me of Hammer Hamilton in that he is immovable and a tough SOB. Iowa coaches considered him the MVP of their defense and a team leader.

Davis will step on the field and contribute from the jump. Pairing him with Hankins would form a very nice duo that can both clog the middle and create havoc in the backfield.

I think Davis is a very safe draft pick and would be ecstatic with him at #40.

Breshad Perriman, WR 6-2 215 lbs.UCF(#33)


I don't want to come off as a doucher, but I find it pretty cool that many of the kids I target and like end, up coming into the spotlight around the Combine and Draft. Perriman is another kid that caught plenty of attention after the combine, and Rob Rang took him from 4th rounder to top of the 2nd round...no gonna sneak into the 3rd/4th like I hoped for us :)

He is a damn good football player, and has everything I'd want from an NFL receiver. Plus, he is someone that I hoped would be had in the middle rounds due to another year of deep draftees for 2015. He could be the second coming of Brandon Marshall (who was also a UCF 4th rounder), but looks like he'll be up in this 2nd round area.

His dad was a 10 year NFL player (Brett Perriman) and the bloodlines are established. He uses his size to dominate the ball at the point of contact,and makes plays after the catch. He is tough to deal with one on one for most CB's.

He has large, soft hands, but has struggled with drops in his career. Nothing is more frustrating than a WR that does everything right and proceeds to drop the pass...

I think he can be coached up, and align his physical tools with the technique to be a very good player.

He would fit right into our WR core, and has the upside to be a #1 WR in the NFL. Love this kid's ceiling, I think of Julio Jones when I think of this kid...

Round Three, Pick #74

Preston Smith, DE 6-5 270 lbs. Miss St.(#69)


Here is, IMO, the most diverse Dlineman in the entire draft. He lined up across every position on the Dline for Miss St. and was productive at every spot. He created mismatches at every spot... It’s hard to find a player that can do what he can across the board, and NFL coaches will be able to teach him and mold him to whatever position they choose for him to play.

Smith has great upper body strength and provides excellent push when double-teamed. Most importantly, he plays nasty and is determined to finish plays. When he wants to be, Smith can be absolutely relentless.

Another reason to love Smith’s upper body is his arm length and reach and how it creates the possibility for separation. When a defensive lineman can do this, it makes it tougher for offensive lineman to remain engaged on blocks (It's why OT arm length is so important too).

Although his hand usage isn’t superb, Smith does enough to challenge blockers into disengaging and losing initial battles.

When playing on the edge, Smith provides good lateral agility to set the edge in the running game. He plays well and controls himself both north and south and east and west, keeping himself within most plays.

Setting the edge as a DE is very important, and in most plays it’s the difference between a runner getting tackled for a loss or breaking through for a big gain down the sideline. (Too much of this happening on our team currently)
Being able to set the edge requires agility, vision and the ability to make off-balance tackles.

Smith has strength and good overall agility, but lacks an explosive first step and the elite ability to change directions. He will never be a top tier speed rusher, probably will have to out-work/out-technique to win one one battles. When playing on the edge, he often runs stunts inside to compensate for his lack of quickness around the corner.

When he has to change directions and speeds simultaneously, Smith doesn’t make the transition quickly at all. This problem exists with an overall lack of explosiveness, and shows up regularly during Smith’s game. Frankly, this is why he would be sitting here in top of the 3rd round. Scouts worry that he'll be a run stuffing, backup/platoon type.

Smith also has to worry about offensive tackles in the NFL manipulating him on the edge. His swim move works very well, but it is one of the easiest to deter when noticed. Going up against more experienced blockers, Smith needs to develop more pass-rushing moves. If he can develop a chain of moves, his size and tenacity will help him win his share of plays.

Projecting where Smith will go is very difficult because he doesn’t have a specific position. But coaching assistants and coordinators can groom him however they choose, and play him in schemes with multiple fronts that provide hybrid looks. Spags would take his skill set and find a way to use him effectively.

He would provide tremendous value at #74, and could help in multiple ways across our Dline.

Jaquiski Tartt, SS 6-1 220 lbs. Samford(#90)


For all the Landon Collins fans on BBI, let me introduce Jaquiski Tartt or Collins 2.0.

Both played football in Alabama, well...kinda :) Collins played and starred at a little school called Alabama, while Tartt played in high school in Mobile.

Both are very similar in that they are enforcer types that need to work on man to man coverage skills at the next level.

Tartt didn't played until his senior year of HS, and is still developing his football skills. I believe out of the two players that Tartt has the higher ceiling. Maybe he isn't ready to contribute day one like Collins, but that is why you can grab in the 3rd round instead of top 15.

Tartt already has what can't be coached...size, AA, and plays like a heat seeking missile. Yes, he is still raw and played in a lower level of football, but the kid has developed tremendously in a matter of years.

The other thing I like about his potential is that he was a basketball player (the love of which kept him off the gridiron until senior year), and he has longer arms than Justin Pugh (shots fired there) at almost 33". When you consider his future, there is a high likelihood that he can develop into a top notch, all around safety.

No doubt Tartt has the size, athleticism and overall talent to be an NFL starter. He'd be a great addition to our safety core.

Gabe Wright, DT 6-3 300 lbs. Auburn(#93)


Wright is never going to be a run stuffing, double team eater. Even in 2014 where he got more attention/doubles his production suffered. BUT...the kid is athletic and will be a great 3 technique in a 4-3. His numbers overall were down in 2014, but he still made his living in the oppossing backfield. He is not in Aaron Donald's class by an means, but in a platoon he can have a similar affect. He is very quick off the snap and is hard for olineman to handle.

He showed up at the Senior Bowl and played his ass off. Rob Rang said this about his performance:" Auburn's Gabe Wright was the most disruptive of the South's defensive tackles. A shade under 6-3, and 300 pounds, Wright possesses the prototypical frame and quickness off the ball for 4-3 teams looking for a penetrating three-technique defensive tackle. Wright explodes off the ball and has active, aggressive hands. At times, he's too aggressive, getting his hands near the face of would-be blockers, but his energy and combative style made him a tough matchup for all of the South's offensive linemen. Wright may not be a dynamic enough talent to star on his own accord at the next level. Used in a rotation, however, he could emerge as a key contributor to a pass rush. It isn't out of the question that from a statistical standpoint Wright could prove to be an even better player at the next level than he was at Auburn, especially given the frequency of passing in today's NFL."

Wright could be nice player to add to our dline, you can never have enough pass rushers right? Especially right into the backfield/QB face. I'm ready to start re-building a dominate defense under Spags, and Wright could be a nice player to groom.

Denzel Perryman, ILB 5-11 245 lbs. Miami(#74)


As a 36 year old Giants fan, my boyhood was spent watching LT, Banks, Reasons, Armstead, Pepper, etc... I hate how shitty our LB'ers have been since those glory days of the 80's and 90's. For whatever reason Jerry Reese has largely ignored this position during his tenure.

Now, I understand that the game has changed dramatically since my youth, but linebackers are still part of any dominate defense. I am tired of the revolving door at linebacker, and finding Kennard type talent in the later rounds has not been successful for JR and Co.
At some point they are going to need to invest a premium pick on a MLB that can play all 3 downs and make an impact.

Perryman is not in the elite class of a Luke Kuechly, but he is a damn good football player. He's a bit short, but is built like a brick shithouse at 245 lbs and is a devastating tackle machine. He is a sideline to sideline player that sheds blocks well, and is always around the football. He reads plays well and get his teammates in the proper positions pre-read. He is very athletic and will be able to stay on the field for all 3 downs in the NFL.

Perryman has improved his game every year at Miami and 2014 was Perryman's best season with 110 tackles with 9.5 for a loss, three forced fumbles, two sacks, five passes broken up and one interception. He was an emotional leader for the defense.

He will never be the one on one coverage player of a Kuechly, but he has improved in this area dramatically since getting to college, and he is far from a liability in coverage. He will hold his own in pass coverage.

Rob Rang compares him to London Fletcher for his instincts, abilities and leadership qualities. It would be hard for Perryman to match Fletchers 16 year streak of games played, but it'd be nice to put a player of his talent in the middle of our D for the next 10 years.


Round Four, Pick #105

Lynden Trail, DE 6-6 260 lbs. Norfolk St.(#111)


This kid is on the rise and someone I looked at early last year. He was seen as a late round pick in the past but is now in the 4th round range and rising. With that said, he is ranked right at our 4th round pick currently, so I include him here, but with an asterisk* that the kid is a freak athletically and on the way up the rankings.

He was an Urban Meyer recruit to Florida, but got caught up in Meyer's departure and transferred to Norfolk St.

He starred at Norfolk as a 3-4 LB'er and has impressive AA and length. With that said, the kid is a 4-3 DE, and needs to put his in the dirt at the next level.

If you need proof of his athletic ability, Trail was given reps as a tight end during the Thursday practice session at the Senior Bowl, and looked relatively comfortable as a pass catcher in the red zone.

He is still a raw prospect, but has all the makings of game changing edge rusher at the NFL level.

If he is available at pick #105 for NYG, he would be a very hard player to pass on. Hell, if he busts as a DE, he could still end up being a very good TE, haha!

Josue Matias, OG 6-5 325 lbs. Florida St.(#120)


Matias has the build/look of a tackle but played primarily at LG his entire FSU career. He is a large, athletic man and a proficient pass protection player. He is technically sound, but surprisingly lacks the run pop his size would suggest. He started 41 straight games and was a key part of one of the best Oline in the country. Many scouts think he could pop outside to tackle due to his arm length and quick feet. He's a smart player(which shows up on tape) and it isn't out of the question that he could play tackle at the next level. He has high upside, and can be a versatile addition to an Oline. He would be a sneaky pick in the 3rd round for a team with multiple spots up for grab on the Oline....do we know anyone like that? IMO, he is already a very good pass protector which is HUGE coming into the league, and with Flaherty's program he can develop his run blocking, I mean the dude's 6-5 320lbs, I'm pretty sure we can help him figure out how to use that size to clear some holes. I think Matias is going to be a very good player in the NFL and fits our needs as he is talented AND versatile. We need as many of these guys as possible on the team...

Rob Havenstein, OT 6-7 332 lbs. Wisconsin (#115)


This dude was born to be a RT in the NFL. He is a massive man that has surprising feet to pair with good length and balance. He looks like a fat piece of shit in his uniform...sorry Rob, but the kid plays...he could charge cab fare to get around him due to his height and long reach (33 1/2-inch arms).

He is a player that won't improve his stock in the combine because is not the picture of an elite player. With that said, he was a very good player on tape for Wisconsin and can come in and play RT at an NFL level. I think this kid will surprise many scouts and develop into a top tier RT for the 10+ years.

Ibraheim Campbell, SS 6-0 210 lbs. NorthWestern(#123)


Ibraheim Campbell is one of the kids coaches trust, regardless of the situation on the field or off...What does that really mean? Well for one this speaks to his leadership and personal character.
He can be counted on, and was during his Northwestern career as a 4 year starter. Hell, the kid had all that tape and still came into the Senior Bowl playing like a walk on trying to make a squad.

He is very smart (four-time All-Academic Big Ten player while majoring in economics at Northwestern which is a tough academic school) and was a locker room fav for both his teammates and coaches.

On the field Campbell is very instinctive and calculated. He makes up for any physical shortcomings by reading plays well and reacting accordingly.

He simply doesn't make mistakes and will make plays as a result. He is a "right time/right place" player and will work hard to improve his craft.

He may be a bit of a developmental player that can come in and earn a spot with special-teams play while he tries to develop his instincts over time.

I'm all for having players the overall caliber of Ibraheim Campbell on my squad, and think he has a bright future as an NFL safety.

Round Five, Pick #136

Ramik Wilson, ILB 6-2 240 lbs.Georgia(#148)


As you could gather from my earlier LB/NYG history rant, I really want the Giants to address this position with young players we can root for the next 10 years.

Ramik Wilson is a player that will be better in the pros than college IMO. He had a really nice year in 2014: He finished second on the team in tackles (110) as a senior in 2014 with 7.0 tackles for loss, 2.0 sacks and a forced fumbles, earning Second Team All-SEC honors. This was down from his breakout 2013 when he lead the SEC in tackles (133), but his 243 total tackles over those past two seasons were the most in the SEC.

The kid has an impressive combination of speed and explosiveness and will carry that over to the NFL.

Now...he isn't a MLB at the next level. He will be best at WILL IMO, and is more of a chase and hit player. He has been shown to be exploded in coverage, but still made tons of plays.

He would be a nice player that you could let compete for a job at WIL or SAM. Will be a great ST player from day one, and has a shot at a very nice NFL career. Great pick at this point of the draft.



Jamil Douglas, OG 6-4 307 lbs. Arizona St. (#151)


Played at tackle for Arizona St. but, he could be this year's short-arm guard convert after it was discovered that the 6-foot-4, 307 pounder possesses just 32 1/4" arms.

Highly versatile and athletic with experience at all four offensive line positions outside of center. Entered 2014 with 27 consecutive starts, primarily at left guard, and started 13 games at left tackle for the Sun Devils in 2014 to be named All-Pac-12 first team.

Douglas flashes enough potential to excite teams looking for athletic traits, but his lack of functional power will be hard to overlook for others. Douglas could benefit from a glass-chewing mentor in the NFL.

He is definitely a guard in the pro's, but he has a high upside grade due to his high level of play across tackle and guard spots at Az St. Again, this is the type of versatile player you want to grab, especially later in the draft. Versatility limits the bust factor, and Douglas is a good player that will find his spot in the league.

Durell Eskridge, 6-3 205 lbs. Syracuse (#140)


He is a big, rangy player ala Kenny Phillips, but many think he should've stayed for his senior year at Syracuse. But, he made himself available for 2015 and Lord knows our Giants love to look into Syracuse prospects!!! Durell will be a developmental pick, but has the tools to end up as a really nice safety. He can play the run and has good instincts in coverage. It will just depend on how quickly he can translate these skills to the NFL game. He is a balanced, coordinated athlete that has a prototypical NFL frame with broad shoulders and room for additional muscle mass. He can play specials and is a nice prospect, which is what rounds 5-7 are made for.


Jeff Heuerman, TE 6-5 255 lbs. Ohio St. (#130)


Jeff Heuerman is more than the sum of his college parts. He will be an all around TE at the NFL level and a nice pick up in the later rounds. He is fluid for his size while having an athletic body type with proportionate thickness for the position.

He will get into the seam and create problems for LB'ers and Safeties there. Heuerman has the versatility to line up inline, backfield and in the slot and should have a much better NFL career than in college if he stays healthy.

He could be the next late round talent for us to find and plug into our starting TE slot :)

Round Six, Pick #170

Ray Drew, DE 6-4 284 lbs. Georgia (#160)


Ray Drew has the size and skill to play in the NFL. He has played across the line and shown the ability to contribute.

He split time inside and at end with burst, agility and strength to project very well to the next level.

Ray does lack the bulk to play effectively at DT, and isn't the quick twitch edge rusher you want to see. With that said, he was put in a role at Georgia where he ate blockers on a consistent basis to enable other players to make the play. He might just show up on a roster and surprise a team by putting up a really productive first year or so on his way to being a reliable NFL player.

Bryce Hager, ILB 6-1 230 lbs. Baylor (#164)


Bryce has NFL bloodlines as his father, Britt, is the all-time leader in tackles at Texas and was a nine-year NFL veteran.

At one point Bryce was a running back, and has the AA that supports that. He ran a 4.6 forty, had a 35 inch vert, and put 220lbs up 26 times at the combine.

He is more of a read and react player, but he can cover RB's and TE's pretty well. He is probable a WIL at the NFL level in a 4-3, but he was very productive for Baylor. Hager saved his most productive season for his last, finishing 2014 with career highs in solo tackles (76) and TFL (12) to go along with 114 total tackles, 2 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, and 1 INT, earning 2nd-team All Big-12 honors.

He will need to be on a team that has some big DT's eating up blockers to allow him to come clean to the play. If he gets in the trash, he has trouble getting out of it.

He will immediately make a big impact on Special Teams though, and has the upside to develop in a decent LB'er. He is a smart kid that has the frame to add some size. Nice gamble at this point.


Nick Marshall, CB 6-1 205 lbs. Auburn (#176)


Many people make Nick Marshall out to be a QB that is barely going to make a position change to CB. Well...not to shock anyone, but he played CB for Georgia in 13 games in 2011...

Look the kid was a playmaking QB for a National Championship, but his skills at QB don't transcend to the NFL. But, the thing that can't be ignored is that the kid has the size, length, and speed to play CB at the next level.

Now he will need coaching and refinement of his game, but who better to play QB than a former QB? This experience will allow Marshall to play CB that much better.

The dude has has light feet, fluid hips and accelerates smoothly, showing natural cover skills, including a quick, tight backpedal and easy transition to turn and run vertically. Plus at 6'1 he has long arms (31") to add even more to his equation.

If you need proof that he can be a starter at CB, watch him cover Phillip Dorsett during the Senior Bowl. Honestly, as a former athlete, Dorsett would be the toughest match up for a kid trying to switch to CB. Dorsett is F-ing fast in every way.....that is what fucks up NFL starting CB's...speed. Don't think so? What made Odb Jr. so dynamic? Yes he has monster hands, but he is smooth and FAST...you can't prepare for that, either you can match it (with size, length, your own quicks) or you get dusted.

Marshall was not dusted, so that means he has a skill set that will be valuable in the pro's.

He is one of my biggest steals of the draft (at CB not QB) and while he won't start from day one, his upside is way higher than his current draft status would suggest. He will be a sneaky pick that will contribute and potentially star for his next team.

Miles Dieffenbach, CB 6-3 305 lbs. Penn St (#240)


This is a kid that can simply play football. He is the strongest or most impressive althlete but he gets the job done consistently.

Here's what Rob Rang says about the kid,"Well-proportioned athlete who carries his weight well. Relatively light on his feet, showing good initial quickness, balance and lateral agility in pass protection. Bends at the knees and is able to absorb bull-rushers due to his core flexibility. Isn't a mauler in the running game but can create space, getting a good initial punch into opponents and keeping his feet driving through contact. Good lateral quickness and balance to switch off of his primary assignment and get to the second level. Efficient mover, who identifies his secondary targets and latches on quickly. Good effort to sustain his blocks. Very good awareness. Keeps his head on a swivel, looking to help teammates with chip blocks when not covered up himself. Showed rare work ethic and determination to come back and play in November, 2014 after sustaining the knee injury in March and undergoing surgery in April"

He fought through a tough injury and came back to be a difference maker for his team. The knee injury is why he can be had in the 6th round. If not he would be 3-4 round type talent.

I think he is wise investment at this stage of the draft and could be worst case a valuable backup. His upside is a starting guard spot. This his the spot in the draft to take a chance on a good kid, that could help the squad.

Round Seven (A), Pick #201

Jake Ryan, LB 6-3 240 lbs. Michigan (#162)


Ok, so there is good chance that Jake Ryan could be another version of our favorite ST's/Shitty LB'er Mark Herzlich...

But, WTF it's the 7th round folks, and I actually think Ryan could be a nice player for the right team. He has to go to a 4-3 (HEY! we play a 4-3!), and might get put in a 4-3 SAM spot, but I think he has the speed and smarts to play any position across the 4-3 scheme.

That is a big reason why Ryan would be a great fit for us because he could fit in several areas. He has the straight-line speed to chase from sideline to sideline, but also has shown on film an ability to cover TE's and RB's in space. Michigan coaches have made it known that Ryan is a prolific film-eater who spent hours studying and learning offensive tendencies with defensive coordinator.

Now he tore his ACL in 2013 (Junior year), and has had some bumps and bruises along the way, but he IS NOT Mark Herzlich. He might not be a dynamic playmaker from jump, but he has a chance to find a place in a 4-3 where he can contribute.

Jake Ryan might get snagged earlier by a savvy team, but if his is left at his current draft ranking the Giants could do WAY worse. He is potentially a sweet spot at pick 201!

Tyeler Davidson, DT 6-2 315 lbs. Fresno St. (#247)


This dude looks the part of an NFL DT. Lance Zierlein had this to say about him: " Built like a contestant in a strong-man competition. Has thickly muscled, long arms with big hands. Loves hand-to-hand combat inside. Uses club, rip, hump and push/pull techniques to beat defender. Has power to forcibly extract himself from block. Feels double team and braces outside leg and gets duck-footed to battle. Uses length to overcome lack of height. Relies on upper-body flexibility paired with explosion in his hips. Has quickness and "quick-win" capability to get after the quarterback and play on the other side of the line. Very tough at the point of attack and tries to impose his will on centers. Played 80 percent of the defensive snaps. Likeable with high character. High school wrestling background". Davison is a powerful defensive tackle who has above-average athleticism and saw his overall production spike in 2014. He is well-conditioned and can play all three downs if called upon to do so. With his athleticism, balance and power, Davison has the potential to be an outstanding pro, but he must prove that he can bring those same traits into play against better competition."

I really can't add much here, he has all the skills/size to be a really good player, but just didn't have the product to draft him higher up. This is a player worth the gamble, and that could end up contributing early on for our D-Line.

Martin Ifedi, DE 6-3 274 lbs. Memphis (#258)


Like many players at this point, Martin is a project. Big Surprise right? Haha. Now why would he have the potential to turn into a player worth draft status? Let's make no mistake now, if you are drafted into today's NFL it is because you have talent and potenial.... This isn't the 48 round draft of our grandfathers now :)

This kid has the size, AA, and intangibles to be a really sneaky prospect. He has long arms and the "can't be stopped" attitude that leads to good things. He was a really good basketball player that came into football late in high school, but was still able to get a scholarship to Memphis.

He is a "glue" type player that can be part of a successful team. Early on he will need some refinement and coaching but the kid has the will and skill set to end up being a factor at the next level. A real nice look in round 7.


Eric Lefeld, OT 6-6 310 lbs. Cincinatti (#235)


Eric needs some time in an NFL strength program, no doubt about it. His lack of functional strength and length is a concern (Short arms project him inside, or best case RT).

But the kid has the smarts, durability and technique which enabled him to be a top player for Cincy despite some of his physical short comings. Since 2011, he played in all 48 games for the Bearcats, starting 42 straight games and established himself as the anchor to head coaches Tommy Tuberville's offensive interior as a three-time all-conference selection. The guy was a 13-game starter in 2013 and a unanimous First-Team All-AAC selection. He was part of an offensive line unit that allowed only 12 sacks during the regular season, leading the American and tied for 11th best in the NCAA FBS.

He's got a good head on his shoulders, he's strong in the classroom as Lefeld earned the football team's C-Club Strothman Award for Academic Excellence, earning Academic All-AAC honors as well as his undergraduate degree in marketing in April 2014.

He is a coaches dream as far as football brains, work ethic and character. He is drafted late based on the above issues but really has a chance to outwork higher picks and become a factor for a team.

He just knows how to play football and isn't a small guy, he just needs to get more core strength to help him anchor NFL Dlineman. Good developmental pick that could turn into a Dave Diehl type player.

Round Seven (B), Pick #219

Blake Bell, TE 6-6 252 lbs. Oklahoma (#197)


Now this kid is an intriguing prospect for me.... He played QB at Oklahoma...think about that, he is a pretty darn good athlete and has a QB's brain/understanding of routes, etc.

I think he will end up being a nice 2 way TE, BUT he is going to need some time. Hence the 7th round selection, but he could end up having an impact similar to Jake Ballard initially, but has upside to progress far beyond Jake's level.

He has 10" hands, a ran a 4.8 40 at the combine, and had a 33" vert... The kid has AA, and complete upside.

He'd be a nice selection at this point, and has a higher chance to actually be a starter at some point than most 7th rounders do. Now maybe he can never make the new position work, but that is what the 7th round is for, take a chance here JR.

Tevin McDonald, FS 5-11 195 lbs. E.Washington (#233)


Tevin McDonald has NFL bloodlines. His dad is a household name for 49ers fans, as he was a hard hitting safety for SF and racked up 6 pro bowls and was a key part of a Super Bowl XXIX-winning team. Oh ya, and his brother is the current starting safety for the Rams.

Tevin started off at UCLA and looked to be following in his dad and bro's footsteps as a 2 year starter. He made some really dumb choices around drugs and team rules and was shown the door.

After Will Hill, I am sensitive to any NFL caliber safety that could be a nice player, but may never screw his head on right.

With that said, McDonald hasn't had any problems since transferring to E. Wash, and coaches there said he was a model kid that realized he F'ed up. He took the second chance and was obviously a stand out player for the FBS school.

I've always said that if anyone paid attention to my decision making as an 18-20 year old man, I would be working someone flipping burgers right now.

The kid made some serious bad choices, but nothing too crazy, and seems to have put his life back on course.

He was highly thought of at UCLA and was a very productive player for them, he just put his coach in a tough spot with bad choices. His football talent is unquestioned (although he doesn't have proto-type size) and he satisfys coaches/admin in his interviews, he has a chance to get scooped up late in the draft. If not, he would be a priority FA that I'd like to look at. Maybe he could be the anti-Will Hill.

Deontay Greenberry, WR 6-3 200 lbs. Houston (#275)


As a Notre Dame fan, I can remember when a certain 5 star recruit flipped us the bird and signed with lowly Houston...I mean..WTF man?? I still get pissed about it, because the kid has high level talent that he wasted on a shitty Houston team. Not saying ND is THE place to go if you want to play WR in the NFL, but it is certainly a better place to be than Houston.

Well it seems the young man learned the hard way, because he is a late round candidate that was snubbed by the combine committee.

Don't get me wrong, the kid has some nice numbers for Houston, but as an early (Junior) entry, how does he not get a combine invite?

Well...this can all work to our advantage, because the kid has a great deal of talent. Also, he has that one un-coachable attribure...SIZE

At 6'3 his height is ideal, and he has the frame to add bulk and continue to develop physically. Again, the 5th+ rounds are where you try and strike gold.

Here is a 5 star high school talent that could be developed into an outside force...sign me up bud.


Max Garcia, C/OG 6-5 305 lbs. Florida (#226)


Max started off at Maryland, but transferred to Florida and was their most dependable lineman the past two years. He is said to be one of the coaches, teammates, and fans fav's and his team captain status confirms that. Known as a gentle giant off the field, he gets down on the field and is happy to mix it up.

He is destined to be an interior lineman at the next level, and but has some versatility as a converted center who has taken reps at tackle and started an entire season at guard.

If you could have 53 Max Garcia's on your team, you wouldn't have the most talented team, but you'd win more than you'd lose....these kinds of players work hard in the filmroom, weightroom, practice field etc, and do the right things in their personal life. They work hard, and maximize every ounce of their talent.

This kid will play in the league for 9-10 years, mark my words. Now he may not be an all pro, or even a starter, but I don't bet against these type of players. He'd be a great player to add to the team, and could fill in at Center or Guard very capably, and even develop into a quality starter.

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Lots of good ideas  
chris r : 3/2/2015 10:32 pm : link
a few disagreements however. No way to Collins at 9. You don't take safeties that lack elite speed that high IMO. Also I doubt Armstead makes it to the second.
chris  
shocktheworld : 3/2/2015 10:37 pm : link
I agree on Collins, but many on BBI like the kid so I included him. Plus safety is a huge need for us, so you never know what JR will do...I would be pissed if they took Collins, but I was also on the Donald or Martin bandwagon last year for #12, and was mad at the Odell pick....silly huh? haha

Arik is an enigma man... he's ranked after the combine by Rang and company at 38, so he's in our range for round two...his AA/Size could very well shoot up up into the 1st, but teams are wary of his bad tape
I see Preston Smith going in the 2nd now.  
yatqb : 3/2/2015 10:39 pm : link
I wouldn't mind us taking him there, depending upon what we do in the 1st and who else is there for us.
yatqb  
shocktheworld : 3/2/2015 10:50 pm : link
I love Preston Smith, I agree with you buddy. 2nd round will be a bit rich, but he is going to be a better pro than college player in the right scheme. He will fit right into what Spags will want to do IMO. Should be a home run in the 3rd, but a sold base hit in the 2nd on value
Thank You  
PaulN : 3/2/2015 10:52 pm : link
Great, great work and effort, plenty to chew on.
Preston Smith  
Coach Mason : 3/2/2015 10:54 pm : link
great combo of production and combine numbers while fitting Giants size preference for 4-3 DE. Would love him at 40.
Paul  
shocktheworld : 3/2/2015 10:58 pm : link
my pleasure buddy!

Coach Mason....he's going to be a good one for a 4-3, I'd love it to happen in Blue
Heuerman  
Dragon : 3/2/2015 11:11 pm : link
Is a player that could really become a surprise in the NFL much like Devin Smith he was not really given a chance to show all his physical ability.
A for effort  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/2/2015 11:16 pm : link
I don't know where to start. I guess the OL. Orlando Franklin is probably my #1 FA target. I wouldn't draft Peat at #9, you even say he's not a Blue Goose LT so why reach for him then?
Damn dude you put  
giantgiantfan : 3/2/2015 11:40 pm : link
a lot of time into that. I didn't read all of it but I'd like bringing in AJ Cann in the 2nd round depending on what we do in the first round.

I was also calling for Orlando Franklin in a midseason post I did as well as the Seahawks FA linemen. I like the research you did on linebackers as well.
Really well done  
yungdeeks : 3/2/2015 11:59 pm : link
Very well thought out, but is it realistic to think we can sign so many big name FAs? If so I like the guys you target a lot.

Disagree with the 1st round draft picks as I don't think we can take a LT unless he is a can't miss, blue chip prospect. Also think taking a WR at 9 in such a deep WR class after using our top 15 pick on that position last year would be silly, but I understand the argument.
The FA's  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 12:23 am : link
Are just targets I think could fit in. We can't get them all, but it'd be a nice group to choose from :)
Derrick Morgan is intriguing.  
Big Blue Blogger : 3/3/2015 5:14 am : link
He just turned 26 and has been solid the past three years without much help, aside from Casey's one big season. The previous two years were basically a Mulligan because of the ACL tear.

In some ways, he resembles Robert Ayers as a potential signing: a late blooming #1 pick, set back by injuries and system changes. I think he's more attractive than Ayers was - younger and a more proven player - so he'll get more guaranteed cash; but he won't command a huge payday, as he's never put up big numbers. He has started at both DE positions, in addition to 3-4 OLB. He's also very much a grown-up: married and working toward his MBA. The Giants like that stuff.

Obviously, much depends on the Giants' plans for PIerre-Paul and Ayers, and how they view Moore and the draft class of DEs. Neither starting DE is currently signed for 2016, and Ayers is rehabbing a major injury; I wouldn't be shocked if the Giants released him this week. Moore has two years left on his rookie deal.
RE: Derrick Morgan is intriguing.  
mrvax : 3/3/2015 8:20 am : link
In comment 12160599 Big Blue Blogger said:
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He just turned 26 and has been solid the past three years without much help, aside from Casey's one big season. The previous two years were basically a Mulligan because of the ACL tear.


Pretty sure Morgan has one more year on his current contract with the TV show, "Criminal Minds".
Fantastic  
AcidTest : 3/3/2015 8:29 am : link
work, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't get any of those players in FA, not after tagging JPP. We might be able to afford one if we free up some money by extending Eli. Most of the draft picks you cited will also likely be taken before you have them being selected.
Acid Test  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 8:45 am : link
What ranking are you going off? I linked the site I used and linked, and strongly disagree with you. Which players specifically would you like to debate? I'd be happy to argue on facts, not by one big sweeping statement.

The Giants will extend Eli and JPP is getting a long term deal, the tag is just a leverage move toward that. There are other salary moves/cuts to come. I think it's funny that people are like, " JPP got tagged, now we can't sign anyone" Just relax and let the FO do they're job. We're going to have cap space to make some moves, the plan us still unfolding
Their and is  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 8:46 am : link
:)
I believe Carimi had a (possibly serious) injury  
Jay in Toronto : 3/3/2015 8:57 am : link
how fully recovered is he?

He was one of the Badgers' most promising OL in recent years. Don't know how much his failure to live up to hype is due to injuries.
RE: Acid Test  
JFIB : 3/3/2015 9:50 am : link
In comment 12160706 shocktheworld said:
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What ranking are you going off? I linked the site I used and linked, and strongly disagree with you. Which players specifically would you like to debate? I'd be happy to argue on facts, not by one big sweeping statement.

The Giants will extend Eli and JPP is getting a long term deal, the tag is just a leverage move toward that. There are other salary moves/cuts to come. I think it's funny that people are like, " JPP got tagged, now we can't sign anyone" Just relax and let the FO do they're job. We're going to have cap space to make some moves, the plan us still unfolding

Wow, that's a lot of work. Nicely done. I don't agree with everything but still great effort!
I agree with your statement that JPP will get a new more cap friendly contract before next season but the problem is, it will have to happen by Monday. Free agency starts on Tuesday and we don't have a lot of room right now. I'm pretty sure we have to stay under the cap number while were shopping in free agency.
Thank You for That Extensive Writeup  
OntheRoad : 3/3/2015 10:06 am : link
Nice formatting too.

I am not familiar with many of these players, but they sound promising.

I wish the Giants had three 2nds this year rather than a 1st and a 2nd. There seem to be good red-chippers at many of the positions the Giants need like S, LB, and interior OL.
on the road  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 10:20 am : link
I agree 100%! When I am wasting time on First-Pick.com I regularly trade down and pick up 2nd rounders. Those are my favorite drafts since I do get 2-3 really nice red chippers in that range...

The problem is in real life no teams are going to want to off the type of trades I've getting on that game, haha.

We have to hope someone like White, Cooper, Mariota,etc. drops to 9 and someone is desperate enough to make it worth passing on that talented player to get more talent down the line
JFIB  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 10:21 am : link
we only have to be under the cap by next summer, not as you're going
I'm meh on Rodgers and Shorts  
old man : 3/3/2015 10:29 am : link
I really like the other FAs on the list.
Old Man  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 10:45 am : link
I hear ya, but that list is comprised of guys that I see us being able to actually afford... Shorts is a very talented player with a versatile skill set. His one red flag is the soft tissue injuries, but we can't afford a Randall Cobb, nor do I hope we'll need a #1 type WR (We have a brand new shiny one, and I hold out hope Cruz bounces back) so we need someone that can contribute and ultimately step up if needed.

Rodgers is a change of pace back that would slide in perfectly with our bruisers. He got caught up in a numbers game with the Falcons, and will never be a full time back. But he is great at pass pro and screens. We don't have someone like that, PLUS he will be CHEAP! haah
don't see the Giants  
djm : 3/3/2015 1:20 pm : link
spending big bucks on a run stuffer like Dan Williams. They just let that kind of player walk in Joseph.

They do need a DT though...or at least someone that can play some DT and maybe some DE...McPhee from the Ravens comes to mind. And of course there's SUh but who the hell knows where he ends up.
djm  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 1:41 pm : link
Dan Williams won't get big bucks though...4-5 mil a year
That might work!  
djm : 3/3/2015 3:33 pm : link
But just knowing how reese works i wonder if they look for more of a pass rushing type at DT. He's a good player though and we certainly need better run d...
Nice  
Randy in CT : 3/3/2015 3:37 pm : link
work.
With hitting a home run in the first round  
Earl the goat : 3/3/2015 5:57 pm : link
If the giants can draft Trails and Eskridge in the 4 th and 5th I would be thrilled
Extremely well done  
Earl the goat : 3/3/2015 5:58 pm : link
Shock
shock, frigging admirable piece of work--Archive This  
ColHowPepper : 3/3/2015 6:01 pm : link
just so we can see how these guys in FA and Draft actually play out. Your draft writeups are as if by the source itself.

"Again, NOT an all inclusive list, just 4 players for each round." LOL, just 4 players for each round.

We should have a round table video/audio accessible online with Sy, Blue Northern, Klaats, sjny, Emil, and JonC (for sobering reality) and shock as they bat these ideas around...great stuff, thanks!!
yeah, Goat, like Trails there too  
ColHowPepper : 3/3/2015 6:02 pm : link
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Great work Shock  
Emil : 3/3/2015 6:03 pm : link
Any disagreements I might have are demolished by your thoroughness and detail. This was an enjoyable read. I am very interested to see which ones you get right as I think some of the recommendations are too dead on to pass up. Looking forward to seeing more on this.

Great read!
Thx  
shocktheworld : 3/3/2015 7:23 pm : link
Gents! This is a labor of love for me, and I love talking prospects anytime!
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