Best episode of the season. The Potty Buddy scene had me laughing out loud. The show is getting better with each episode. Just great writing.
It looks like it's about to really delve into Mike's back story next week. Can't wait.
when Walter White happened upon him. Not exactly a happening, upstanding citizen, but it's obvious that he ran a reasonably successful law business, catering to the shady side of the tracks. Morality aside, it was quite clearly a step up from his present Jimmy McGill life. WW took whatever success Saul had and destroyed it, just as he did every life he ever touched.
If anything, Saul was a catalyst in Walter White, chemistry teacher, turning into Scarface. He went from petty criminal to mafioso, with plenty of support from Saul.
Given the line of work, you would have to believe Saul was always on borrowed time, it was a matter of when, not if.
when Walter White happened upon him. Not exactly a happening, upstanding citizen, but it's obvious that he ran a reasonably successful law business, catering to the shady side of the tracks. Morality aside, it was quite clearly a step up from his present Jimmy McGill life. WW took whatever success Saul had and destroyed it, just as he did every life he ever touched.
He wasn't just catering to the shady side of the tracks, he was participating in their criminal activities and taking a cut of the profits, not just a fee for billable hours. And he was the one who introduced Walt to Gus and Mike, which didn't exactly work out for any of the three. Walt was a cash cow that Saul nurtured and it ultimately backfired, but he had broken bad long before Walt came into his life.
The amount of skill Vince Gilligan has is off the charts. And you know once Jimmy becomes Saul and gets into the defending hardened criminal game the show is going to get even better than it already is. There is unlimited potential for those stories, plots and scenes.
by how good the show is. That toilet scene was genuinely funnier than anything I've seen from a show categorized as a comedy in the last decade.
The only strike I can think of is that Mike looks older than he did at any point in BB. The anti-aging makeup just isn't working on Jonathan Banks.
Does the aging thing really bother people much? I could understand if we were looking at people who are supposed to be kids and they're fully grown, but these were all adults in BB and presumably this isn't that much earlier.
is that Jimmy (someday to be Saul) is an obviously intelligent person, but he still buys into the brother's load of shit. I was on the fence about why Jimmy enabled Bro, but last night convinced me Jimmy really thought it was a real illness, or did a really good job of deluding himself into thinking it was real. They're co-dependent: Bro needs Jimmy to be a good guy, not BackSliding Jimmy (notice how quickly he perked up when Jimmy convinced him he wasn't backsliding). Jimmy needs his brother to be sane, to the point where he's willing to delude himself into ignoring all evidence to the contrary. Jimmy needs big bro, and is desperately trying to conform to big bro's code, even though there's a ton of dough to be made skirting the system, because conforming will keep his bro sane.
these are layers you're never going to see on Walking Dead.
Spoiler alert for those who haven't seen Breaking Bad:
I almost wish I didn't know the outcome of Walter White fucking up yet another life. I want to root for Saul, er, Jimmy, but I know rooting is futile. WW will soon destroy everything. My only real hope is that after a season or two or three of catching us up to WW time, we'll then go forward in an unknown cinnabon future.
Walt did not destroy anything. You can thank that ungrateful little punk rat Jessie.
for fucking up the ending of Breaking Bad....I just started season 4. Good shit.
Thanks for fucking up hockey talk for the last dozen seasons with your Islander cool aide.
Glad fkap ruined it for you, just like Garth Snow ruined Connor McDavid for you.
If Fish is fucking up Islander threads for you, good. No one wants you there.
If Fish is fucking up Ranger threads for you, good. No one wants you there either.
If Fish is fucking up generic NHL threads for you, well I think you get the idea
If anyone is thinking about doing a prequel spinoff show in the future they should use Better Call Saul as their bible. Absolute attention to detail and Bob Odenkirk is killing it
by how good the show is. That toilet scene was genuinely funnier than anything I've seen from a show categorized as a comedy in the last decade.
The only strike I can think of is that Mike looks older than he did at any point in BB. The anti-aging makeup just isn't working on Jonathan Banks.
Does the aging thing really bother people much? I could understand if we were looking at people who are supposed to be kids and they're fully grown, but these were all adults in BB and presumably this isn't that much earlier.
It's a nitpick more than a bother, but just enough of one to kind of distract me.
I guess that was Mike's daughter...and she doesn't seem to like him
And Jimmy watching Matlock and taking notes on how he dresses. Just classic I was dying
As I recall in breaking bad, everything was about "his niece", who he was funneling money to, or bequeathed to her somehow or other, I don't recall the exact details. I am willing to bet that was his niece, not his daughter. I don't think Mike had kids.
I think might be the one Odenkirk kept referencing in his promotional tours for the show. He said in the middle of the season there is an episode where you will learn about Mike and it's as dark or darker than anything Breaking Bad ever did. We shall see.
I thought it was fairly obvious (and has been) that Jimmy knows that his brother has a mental illness, but does not have the heart to break it to him or fully admit it to himself. He is an enabler who is trying to create his own delusion that his brother is actually physically ill, and shield his brother from the truth.
I strongly agree with Milton. While I do want to see more of the Cinnabon world, it would be extremely disappointing to see the main characters of BB brought back in any context unless it was one season, in the future, that was a tangentially related story during the BB time, or just a small, incidental role. Anything too big would be overkill, and anything with the central BB characters aside from maybe Gus (I'm talking more about the Walt family here) would be hokey as fuck. Maybe they could work in Skinny Pete or Badger to some degree, but again, there's no way you can make them a central point of anything, or even anything more than a cool little wink-and-nod inside joke callback to BB fans.
My roommate is watching BCS without watching BB, so those people do exist (I don't think he will watch BB though).
Also, this bullshit with hudson stating unrelated arguments with Islanders fans, as if its either some misguided attempt to fit in with the "cool kids" later on in Rangers threads, or some sort of under the table wannabe footsies type bullshit, is really really fucking old. You don't need to try and drag hockey arguments into every fucking thread (and I say this as a big Rangers fan and constant lurker/reader on all the hockey threads). it's annoying, try hard, and stupid. Give it the fuck up. the fact that you are so reviled in those threads makes it even more ridiculous.
I think might be the one Odenkirk kept referencing in his promotional tours for the show. He said in the middle of the season there is an episode where you will learn about Mike and it's as dark or darker than anything Breaking Bad ever did. We shall see.
he knows he's doing the wrong thing, but he's got a soft spot for him because of the fact that his brother always stood by him through his checkered past. Despite the fact that he knows that's what's best for him longer term, he can't bear the idea of the brother suffering while getting assistance for his disease.
On Mike - I thought the previews were implying that he had a son that was murdered, and from the sound of it that the girl he's following was a daughter in law who believes he had something to do with it. That was my take on it at least.
Contrary to some of the other posts on this thread, I think they have a good 4 or 5 seasons worth of material they could come up with featuring all pre-Heisenberg Saul. I assume that when it comes time for Saul/Jimmy to "retire" in Omaha, that will be the end of the series. Just my interpretation.
on Better Call Saul last night....positive in fact.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
there's certainly material that can be mined for a few seasons pre BB. they have to deviate from the everything leading to BB storyline, though.
I think there's opportunity after the Cinnabon opening sequence, though. It would be cheesy to have it include too many BB characters, though.
It is in keeping with BB to have everything end so bleakly that Saul's ultimate fate is to end up almost exactly where he started: drinking alone while living a dead end life. Still, it's depressing to watch a guy strive for greatness, knowing all the while he's just going to end up drinking alone, making cinnabon's for a living. I'd much prefer to keep a glimmer of hope alive for Saul.
on Better Call Saul last night....positive in fact.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
You made me go and check the DVR. I ran the scene a couple of times (the one where Jimmy gives Mike his business card), and the next car through looks like a run-of-the-mill sedan to me, not the Aztec. I was really hoping you were right. Are we talking about the same scene?
on Better Call Saul last night....positive in fact.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
You made me go and check the DVR. I ran the scene a couple of times (the one where Jimmy gives Mike his business card), and the next car through looks like a run-of-the-mill sedan to me, not the Aztec. I was really hoping you were right. Are we talking about the same scene?
I'll run it again when I get home tonight....now you have me doubting myself...I was so sure at the time
Don't think there's another show out there that adds the humor of the toilet/secession scenes in what's "really" a drama. That toilet scene was great and I love how this show isn't afraid of being funny. Just a great vibe to this show, starts with Odenkirk who feels like he was born for this role.
Next weeks episode looks really good in the previews. I believe Jcn's post nailed the Mike/niece situation. His daughter-in-law clearly doesn't trust Mike. SPOILER ALERT.....
We know that eventually Mike regains her trust. I wonder if this next episode is how he does that.
RE: I think the guys at Mike's door have to do with
The story he told WW in the "Half Measures" episode of BrBa.
This is possible. If I'm not mistaken he tells Walt he was a beat cop when this story happened and he let the abuser live and a few days later the abuser killed his wife. That's it though. It is possible when they wrote that scene in BB they had every intention of making that who Mike was...a former cop. But since they never expanded further they could definitely change that now and re-write that story to suggest Mike was only pretending to be a cop in that scene and maybe he was as someone else suggested a hitman or something.
And the little girl in Breaking Bad was indeed Mike's granddaughter. So that woman from this past episode is probably his daughter, I'd say very likely the future mother of that kid.
At first since the previews make it sound like Mike had a son who was killed, I thought maybe that's the sons daughter, and Mike's daughter, the kids Aunt is raising her, but I don't think the timeline matches up. I think the granddaughter would be too young in Breaking Bad if she was already alive during this time period in Better Call Saul.
She was 10 years old in Breaking Bad. So she'd already be alive during this time period. So yeah, I'm thinking the woman we just saw in this last episode is the girls mother and likely daughter-in-law of Mike, and the girls father, is Mike's son who it seems like might have been killed in Philadelphia or something.
I agree, it is a little distracting. It's not even his face... if you watch the last scene of the last episode, the way he stood up when to go to the door when the cops were there... he was moving wayyy slower than at any point in Breaking Bad. It's his entire screen presence.
That being said, I can and have been easily getting passed this.
on Better Call Saul last night....positive in fact.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
You made me go and check the DVR. I ran the scene a couple of times (the one where Jimmy gives Mike his business card), and the next car through looks like a run-of-the-mill sedan to me, not the Aztec. I was really hoping you were right. Are we talking about the same scene?
I'll run it again when I get home tonight....now you have me doubting myself...I was so sure at the time
I dunno Herb...to me it looks like the back of WW's Aztec...the style of the tail lights...perhaps it's just me, but I really think that's WW. Additionally, it makes no sense to continue the scene after McGill checks out. The actually cut back to Mike, cut to a larger view, and let the entire process of WW's car checking out play out. Why in the world would they add that fluff to the scene if there wasn't something to it? It makes no sense....It was WW...
if you kept reading my post, or peoples response to it, that's on you.
BB has been over for a year or two now. Society doesn't owe it to you to not talk about it anymore.
Given the line of work, you would have to believe Saul was always on borrowed time, it was a matter of when, not if.
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for fucking up the ending of Breaking Bad....I just started season 4. Good shit.
My apologies. But what are you doing watching Better Call Saul if you haven't finished Breaking Bad?
Good Question, my answer is how can you not want more Saul, Walter White, Mikey etc. If its better call saul or BB then Im watching.
If you're reading a Better Caul Saul thread before finishing Breaking Bad, that's on you man, sorry
But don't stop watching, BB season 4 and 5 are 2 of the best seasons of TV you'll ever watch
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he does show up. As does WW and Jesse. Hope that's not a spoiler
Neither Romeo nor Juliet live.
The only strike I can think of is that Mike looks older than he did at any point in BB. The anti-aging makeup just isn't working on Jonathan Banks.
The only strike I can think of is that Mike looks older than he did at any point in BB. The anti-aging makeup just isn't working on Jonathan Banks.
Does the aging thing really bother people much? I could understand if we were looking at people who are supposed to be kids and they're fully grown, but these were all adults in BB and presumably this isn't that much earlier.
The only strike I can think of is that Mike looks older than he did at any point in BB. The anti-aging makeup just isn't working on Jonathan Banks.
Conversely, they've done a decent job of making Odenkirk younger. In part, I think, it's his acting...he is just killing it in this role.
these are layers you're never going to see on Walking Dead.
Spoiler alert for those who haven't seen Breaking Bad:
I almost wish I didn't know the outcome of Walter White fucking up yet another life. I want to root for Saul, er, Jimmy, but I know rooting is futile. WW will soon destroy everything. My only real hope is that after a season or two or three of catching us up to WW time, we'll then go forward in an unknown cinnabon future.
Walt did not destroy anything. You can thank that ungrateful little punk rat Jessie.
Thanks for fucking up hockey talk for the last dozen seasons with your Islander cool aide.
Glad fkap ruined it for you, just like Garth Snow ruined Connor McDavid for you.
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for fucking up the ending of Breaking Bad....I just started season 4. Good shit.
Thanks for fucking up hockey talk for the last dozen seasons with your Islander cool aide.
Glad fkap ruined it for you, just like Garth Snow ruined Connor McDavid for you.
If Fish is fucking up Islander threads for you, good. No one wants you there.
If Fish is fucking up Ranger threads for you, good. No one wants you there either.
If Fish is fucking up generic NHL threads for you, well I think you get the idea
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by how good the show is. That toilet scene was genuinely funnier than anything I've seen from a show categorized as a comedy in the last decade.
The only strike I can think of is that Mike looks older than he did at any point in BB. The anti-aging makeup just isn't working on Jonathan Banks.
Does the aging thing really bother people much? I could understand if we were looking at people who are supposed to be kids and they're fully grown, but these were all adults in BB and presumably this isn't that much earlier.
It's a nitpick more than a bother, but just enough of one to kind of distract me.
I guess that was Mike's daughter...and she doesn't seem to like him
And Jimmy watching Matlock and taking notes on how he dresses. Just classic I was dying
As I recall in breaking bad, everything was about "his niece", who he was funneling money to, or bequeathed to her somehow or other, I don't recall the exact details. I am willing to bet that was his niece, not his daughter. I don't think Mike had kids.
I strongly agree with Milton. While I do want to see more of the Cinnabon world, it would be extremely disappointing to see the main characters of BB brought back in any context unless it was one season, in the future, that was a tangentially related story during the BB time, or just a small, incidental role. Anything too big would be overkill, and anything with the central BB characters aside from maybe Gus (I'm talking more about the Walt family here) would be hokey as fuck. Maybe they could work in Skinny Pete or Badger to some degree, but again, there's no way you can make them a central point of anything, or even anything more than a cool little wink-and-nod inside joke callback to BB fans.
My roommate is watching BCS without watching BB, so those people do exist (I don't think he will watch BB though).
Also, this bullshit with hudson stating unrelated arguments with Islanders fans, as if its either some misguided attempt to fit in with the "cool kids" later on in Rangers threads, or some sort of under the table wannabe footsies type bullshit, is really really fucking old. You don't need to try and drag hockey arguments into every fucking thread (and I say this as a big Rangers fan and constant lurker/reader on all the hockey threads). it's annoying, try hard, and stupid. Give it the fuck up. the fact that you are so reviled in those threads makes it even more ridiculous.
My first thought is hitman.
On Mike - I thought the previews were implying that he had a son that was murdered, and from the sound of it that the girl he's following was a daughter in law who believes he had something to do with it. That was my take on it at least.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
I think there's opportunity after the Cinnabon opening sequence, though. It would be cheesy to have it include too many BB characters, though.
It is in keeping with BB to have everything end so bleakly that Saul's ultimate fate is to end up almost exactly where he started: drinking alone while living a dead end life. Still, it's depressing to watch a guy strive for greatness, knowing all the while he's just going to end up drinking alone, making cinnabon's for a living. I'd much prefer to keep a glimmer of hope alive for Saul.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
You made me go and check the DVR. I ran the scene a couple of times (the one where Jimmy gives Mike his business card), and the next car through looks like a run-of-the-mill sedan to me, not the Aztec. I was really hoping you were right. Are we talking about the same scene?
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on Better Call Saul last night....positive in fact.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
You made me go and check the DVR. I ran the scene a couple of times (the one where Jimmy gives Mike his business card), and the next car through looks like a run-of-the-mill sedan to me, not the Aztec. I was really hoping you were right. Are we talking about the same scene?
I'll run it again when I get home tonight....now you have me doubting myself...I was so sure at the time
He's a parking lot attendant, I don't think it's too far fetched to presume that job is outsourced to a company that hires felons of all kinds :)
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I suspect Mike is a ex-felon. If true, how did he pass a background check to work for the court house?
He's a parking lot attendant, I don't think it's too far fetched to presume that job is outsourced to a company that hires felons of all kinds :)
more likely just a dirty cop forced out of his job, moved, and now got tracked down by the guys at his door at episodes end.
Next weeks episode looks really good in the previews. I believe Jcn's post nailed the Mike/niece situation. His daughter-in-law clearly doesn't trust Mike. SPOILER ALERT.....
We know that eventually Mike regains her trust. I wonder if this next episode is how he does that.
This is possible. If I'm not mistaken he tells Walt he was a beat cop when this story happened and he let the abuser live and a few days later the abuser killed his wife. That's it though. It is possible when they wrote that scene in BB they had every intention of making that who Mike was...a former cop. But since they never expanded further they could definitely change that now and re-write that story to suggest Mike was only pretending to be a cop in that scene and maybe he was as someone else suggested a hitman or something.
And the little girl in Breaking Bad was indeed Mike's granddaughter. So that woman from this past episode is probably his daughter, I'd say very likely the future mother of that kid.
At first since the previews make it sound like Mike had a son who was killed, I thought maybe that's the sons daughter, and Mike's daughter, the kids Aunt is raising her, but I don't think the timeline matches up. I think the granddaughter would be too young in Breaking Bad if she was already alive during this time period in Better Call Saul.
That being said, I can and have been easily getting passed this.
He may look a bit older but it hasn't distracted me from the show one bit.
Tuco is the one whose aging really showed imo. Still doesn't bother me much.
Odenkirk looks younger because of the hair, easy fix there for amc.
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on Better Call Saul last night....positive in fact.
After Jimmy checks out of the gate, Mike checks out another car.....it was Walter White's Aztec, although WW's vehicle was probably a model year, 2004 or later, and this supposedly takes place in 2000-2001, they took the liberty anyway.
You made me go and check the DVR. I ran the scene a couple of times (the one where Jimmy gives Mike his business card), and the next car through looks like a run-of-the-mill sedan to me, not the Aztec. I was really hoping you were right. Are we talking about the same scene?
I'll run it again when I get home tonight....now you have me doubting myself...I was so sure at the time
I dunno Herb...to me it looks like the back of WW's Aztec...the style of the tail lights...perhaps it's just me, but I really think that's WW. Additionally, it makes no sense to continue the scene after McGill checks out. The actually cut back to Mike, cut to a larger view, and let the entire process of WW's car checking out play out. Why in the world would they add that fluff to the scene if there wasn't something to it? It makes no sense....It was WW...