Just because a guy tests the market doesn't mean he won't return. Torn pectoral muscle isn't chronic. He should make a full recovery and be ready for training camp. IMO there is a good chance he returns...and why not...we have a need at slot corner.
"But a more realistic target could be Walter Thurmond III, who like Rolle played for Fewell in New York last season. McCloughan and the Seahawks took Thurmond in the fourth round of the 2010 draft, and Washington pursued Thurmond last year, but lost out on him to the Giants."
"Making another run at Thurmond makes sense. He is viewed as a talented nickelback, which would suit Washington’s purposes well. That’s the greatest need with Breeland and Amerson on the outside. Thurmond would be a good insurance policy in case Hall doesn’t make a full recovery. Like Porter, however, Thurmond has had injury issues much of his career. However, that could mean he comes at a more affordable price. The team also should look to draft another cornerback."
Im absolutely all for letting all of those players walk, including Rolle.
Rolle's play pretty drastically declined in 2014 compared to 2013. Id prefer a low to mid level signing of a young S in a deep FA class at that position.
He got a decent contract $3.5m. He's been injury prone but has performed well when healthy. I'm normally against re-signing injury cases but in this instance I'd be open to his return. I'd guess he's 50/50 to be back. That's just a hunch.
but Thurmond has an injury history that is just as bad if not worse than Beason's. You can't spend $3M on him again and he probably doesn't want a pay cut.
if u look at the type of slot CB Spags uses, its a big body who will blitz A LOT off the edge and has to be a physical guy who can take a pounding. do not think thurmond fits the bill
he used rookies Ross and T2 there with Giants. i look for us to add somebody like that in the draft. no surprise we were looking at josh shaw and i can see us liking jaelen collins if he's there in round 2.
if u look at the type of slot CB Spags uses, its a big body who will blitz A LOT off the edge and has to be a physical guy who can take a pounding. do not think thurmond fits the bill
he used rookies Ross and T2 there with Giants. i look for us to add somebody like that in the draft. no surprise we were looking at josh shaw and i can see us liking jaelen collins if he's there in round 2.
Good call.
Jaelen Collins has the best combination of size/speed/ 3-cone measurables and top college production of any CB in the draft IMO.
Would love him (along with a few other guys) at 40.
Total sacks by Ram cornerbacks in three years under Spagnuolo: one, by Justin King, who was all of 5'11 185".
Total sacks by Ross and Thomas under Spagnuolo: 1.5, by Ross in 2007. Sam Madison also had one in 2007. Corey Webster had the the only CB sack in 2008.
I don't recall a single sack from the slot during Spagnuolo's tenure, and I can't imagine pass-rush ability ranks very high on his criteria for the Giants' slot corner in 2015.
Spagnuolo does send his corners from time to time. So does every defensive coordinator. We're not exactly talking Monte Kiffin in Ronde Barber's prime. Mostly, Spagnuolo's cornerbacks cover.
about paying Beason 6M for 4 games, but don't blink when paying Thurmond 3.5M for one game....this was talked about when he was signed last year....a lot of money for another guy who can't stay on the field...that's 1.75M per tackle.....
Play the kids we finished the end of the year with like C. Brown & that other guy Harris? Get younger, maybe healthier to avoid dipping into backup players as much as possible.
It's almost as if you place a starter on IR, you can add 1 more L to the column.
Injuries can't be excuses, I understand that. However, injuries can be the indirect reason you lose games. Backup players playing when they should be on the bench.
Now, let's not exaggerate.
Big Blue Blogger : 11:55 am : link : reply
Thurmond took $3MM of Mr. Mara's money, not $3.5MM. I think it's safe to assume he missed out on the $500K playing time incentive.
Thus we only paid him 1.5M per tackle....actually, 750K per tackle, forgot the two big assists....
Total sacks by Ram cornerbacks in three years under Spagnuolo: one, by Justin King, who was all of 5'11 185".
Total sacks by Ross and Thomas under Spagnuolo: 1.5, by Ross in 2007. Sam Madison also had one in 2007. Corey Webster had the the only CB sack in 2008.
I don't recall a single sack from the slot during Spagnuolo's tenure, and I can't imagine pass-rush ability ranks very high on his criteria for the Giants' slot corner in 2015.
Spagnuolo does send his corners from time to time. So does every defensive coordinator. We're not exactly talking Monte Kiffin in Ronde Barber's prime. Mostly, Spagnuolo's cornerbacks cover.
not really what? he hand-picked 2 big players for the slot when he was here. (both ross and T2 were drafted into his scheme). and yes, he blitzed them frequently. what is there to disagree with?
Spags had little to do with the selections of Ross and T2 Â
I am not a big fan of Thurmond
NYGmen58 : 1:09 pm : link : reply
but would bring back Patterson and Herzlich for depth or at the very least training camp competition. Seems like no-brainers to me.
I don't want Thurmond, because he can't stay on the field.....I don't want Herz or Patterson, because they might have to stay on the field...
Just creates another need, wasn't really even thinking about corner back this off season
They still have McBride and may be impressed by how Brown and Harris looked the final couple games. Thurmond isn't really a great player, let's not put him on some pedestal. I would like to re-sign him too, but only at a cost. Prefer them to use more money on a starting Safety and look to extend Prince.
I would not mind seeing him back; he got beat some, but he also had a bunch of plays when he had excellent coverage. A little more experience and he's reasonable depth. Could wish he were more physical, but physical he's not.
thank you Walter Thurmond thread?
We'll see.
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Thurmond was paid $1.5MM per game played, $750K per tackle. I would calculate a price per interception or pass defended, but he didn't have any.
Full disclosure: I really liked that signing. Sigh.
"Making another run at Thurmond makes sense. He is viewed as a talented nickelback, which would suit Washington’s purposes well. That’s the greatest need with Breeland and Amerson on the outside. Thurmond would be a good insurance policy in case Hall doesn’t make a full recovery. Like Porter, however, Thurmond has had injury issues much of his career. However, that could mean he comes at a more affordable price. The team also should look to draft another cornerback."
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Rolle's play pretty drastically declined in 2014 compared to 2013. Id prefer a low to mid level signing of a young S in a deep FA class at that position.
He's an above average at best CB, which isn't bad he's just not worth a ton of money.
Hard to care about a guy who played one game.
Defense: DT, S.
Total NYG Draft Needs:
OT, DT, TE, RB, S, WR, CB - 7 Picks.
Keep JPP and DE is not a need with Wynn, Ayers and Moore in the wings.
he used rookies Ross and T2 there with Giants. i look for us to add somebody like that in the draft. no surprise we were looking at josh shaw and i can see us liking jaelen collins if he's there in round 2.
I Really hope the Giants pursue Rahim Moore.
he used rookies Ross and T2 there with Giants. i look for us to add somebody like that in the draft. no surprise we were looking at josh shaw and i can see us liking jaelen collins if he's there in round 2.
Good call.
Jaelen Collins has the best combination of size/speed/ 3-cone measurables and top college production of any CB in the draft IMO.
Would love him (along with a few other guys) at 40.
Total sacks by Ross and Thomas under Spagnuolo: 1.5, by Ross in 2007. Sam Madison also had one in 2007. Corey Webster had the the only CB sack in 2008.
I don't recall a single sack from the slot during Spagnuolo's tenure, and I can't imagine pass-rush ability ranks very high on his criteria for the Giants' slot corner in 2015.
Spagnuolo does send his corners from time to time. So does every defensive coordinator. We're not exactly talking Monte Kiffin in Ronde Barber's prime. Mostly, Spagnuolo's cornerbacks cover.
Thurmond was paid $1.5MM per game played, $750K per tackle. I would calculate a price per interception or pass defended, but he didn't have any.
Full disclosure: I really liked that signing. Sigh.
Over 5 seasons he has played in 36 of the 60 games with 1 INT, 15 passes defensed & 1 sack! Let the Jets sign him for more than he is worth. RIP!
He's an above average at best CB, which isn't bad he's just not worth a ton of money.
I didn't like too much of what I saw from him in his limited time last year. Missing tackles, getting beaten in coverage. I don't care if he walks.
It's almost as if you place a starter on IR, you can add 1 more L to the column.
Injuries can't be excuses, I understand that. However, injuries can be the indirect reason you lose games. Backup players playing when they should be on the bench.
Big Blue Blogger : 11:55 am : link : reply
Thurmond took $3MM of Mr. Mara's money, not $3.5MM. I think it's safe to assume he missed out on the $500K playing time incentive.
Thus we only paid him 1.5M per tackle....actually, 750K per tackle, forgot the two big assists....
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...to draft our tributes for the Appreciation Thread.
Thurmond was paid $1.5MM per game played, $750K per tackle. I would calculate a price per interception or pass defended, but he didn't have any.
Full disclosure: I really liked that signing. Sigh.
Over 5 seasons he has played in 36 of the 60 games with 1 INT, 15 passes defensed & 1 sack! Let the Jets sign him for more than he is worth. RIP!
Total sacks by Ross and Thomas under Spagnuolo: 1.5, by Ross in 2007. Sam Madison also had one in 2007. Corey Webster had the the only CB sack in 2008.
I don't recall a single sack from the slot during Spagnuolo's tenure, and I can't imagine pass-rush ability ranks very high on his criteria for the Giants' slot corner in 2015.
Spagnuolo does send his corners from time to time. So does every defensive coordinator. We're not exactly talking Monte Kiffin in Ronde Barber's prime. Mostly, Spagnuolo's cornerbacks cover.
not really what? he hand-picked 2 big players for the slot when he was here. (both ross and T2 were drafted into his scheme). and yes, he blitzed them frequently. what is there to disagree with?
NYGmen58 : 1:09 pm : link : reply
but would bring back Patterson and Herzlich for depth or at the very least training camp competition. Seems like no-brainers to me.
I don't want Thurmond, because he can't stay on the field.....I don't want Herz or Patterson, because they might have to stay on the field...
They still have McBride and may be impressed by how Brown and Harris looked the final couple games. Thurmond isn't really a great player, let's not put him on some pedestal. I would like to re-sign him too, but only at a cost. Prefer them to use more money on a starting Safety and look to extend Prince.