and if he's still on the board late first, early second, or even at the Giants pick in the second would you consider pulling the trigger if you're Jerry Reese?
Are the character questions outweighed by his skills?
Discuss...
I think he falls to the 2nd and will be a bust in the nfl
that Green-Beckham is actually a clone of Stephen Hill. I'd pass in a Will Hill minute.
From the little I've seen, I think he's more a football player than Hill was. That said, his character flags are too big to me.
I see him as a player on the high end who could have a Dez Bryant like impact but will need to be constantly monitored and coddled throughout his career with potentially multiple run ins with the law. On the low end a kid who totally bombs once he gets an NFL contract due to disinterest or lack of humility to be coached.
1 - The comparisons to Calvin Johnson are overblown. He is not even close to that caliber of a prospect.
2 - He lacks explosion. There isn't a quick twitch to him...he is a little late to react. Not that his game will be built on separation...but I just want WRs to move with a more suddenness than he does.
3 - The off the field issues are well documented.
4 - He has small hands
With all of that said, I graded him as a 3rd/4th rounder. I think he goes somewhere in round 3.
Character concerns alone should push him to the 3rd.
I think he goes around pick 75. Most teams expect value from the first and second rounds, and are loathe to cut bait on a pick that high. By mid-third round, you're down to the level where most picks have significant warts and/or need a lot of development, and where most never amount to much. If you draft Green-Beckham onto a decent team, around 75 or later, and he screws up in any significant way, you cut him - period. If you take him much earlier than that - or actually need him to succeed - you're stuck baby-sitting him like Dez Bryant because he's too big an investment to be easily written off.
The add-on question, about Reese drafting him, is probably moot. The gamble makes more sense for a lot of other teams.
I'm not disagreeing with any of the concerns posted here...
True, my only point was most of BBI was convinced Mike Evans "can't get separation" and would struggle.
if that's struggling, I'll use the #9 pick on that level of struggling every year.
PJ: Off topic but I haven't seen Evans play. How did he do against decent coverage? Was he able to get that step many were afraid he wouldn't in the NFL? Were any nasty cornerbacks able to knock him off his game?
True, my only point was most of BBI was convinced Mike Evans "can't get separation" and would struggle.
if that's struggling, I'll use the #9 pick on that level of struggling every year.
PJ: Off topic but I haven't seen Evans play. How did he do against decent coverage? Was he able to get that step many were afraid he wouldn't in the NFL? Were any nasty cornerbacks able to knock him off his game?
I'm far from an expert, but since I had Mike Evans in fantasy football, LOL, I watched the Bucs when they were on offense quite a bit.
He looked great to me.
Good size (red zone mismatch), good speed (some long TD's), good hands, I don't know if he ran good routes (seemed to) and i noticed no issues getting separation, but again I'm not an expert in this, but if he struggled with it and still caught 70 passes, for over 1000 yards and 12 TD's as a rookie when you'd expect those issues to be worse then everyone should struggle with separation that much.
Cleveland. Boy what a cast of characters they could have. The other big 3 receivers might be gone, and the Browns have to draft a receiver at some point. Maybe a draft partner for the Giants.
I just think he makes so much sense for the Pats to gamble on. They desperately need outside WR talent and having a potential Top 10 talent fall into their laps mostly because of off-the-field issues would just be too much for them to pass on imo.
Even without the character concerns, I don't see it.
From the little I've seen, I think he's more a football player than Hill was. That said, his character flags are too big to me.
I see him as a player on the high end who could have a Dez Bryant like impact but will need to be constantly monitored and coddled throughout his career with potentially multiple run ins with the law. On the low end a kid who totally bombs once he gets an NFL contract due to disinterest or lack of humility to be coached.
I truly believe that the days are done where they draft "troubled" players with high potential, regardless of how good they may be.
That shouldn't concern Giants fans, he won't be on the team!
2 - He lacks explosion. There isn't a quick twitch to him...he is a little late to react. Not that his game will be built on separation...but I just want WRs to move with a more suddenness than he does.
3 - The off the field issues are well documented.
4 - He has small hands
With all of that said, I graded him as a 3rd/4th rounder. I think he goes somewhere in round 3.
The add-on question, about Reese drafting him, is probably moot. The gamble makes more sense for a lot of other teams.
And you can find examples that go the other way as well.
Evans at least had All-American type production
4 - He has small hands
I've heard he smells like cabbage too.
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Evans with a lot of the comments in this thread and roll back to last year, other than the character concerns.
And you can find examples that go the other way as well.
Evans at least had All-American type production
True, my only point was most of BBI was convinced Mike Evans "can't get separation" and would struggle.
if that's struggling, I'll use the #9 pick on that level of struggling every year.
True, my only point was most of BBI was convinced Mike Evans "can't get separation" and would struggle.
if that's struggling, I'll use the #9 pick on that level of struggling every year.
PJ: Off topic but I haven't seen Evans play. How did he do against decent coverage? Was he able to get that step many were afraid he wouldn't in the NFL? Were any nasty cornerbacks able to knock him off his game?
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True, my only point was most of BBI was convinced Mike Evans "can't get separation" and would struggle.
if that's struggling, I'll use the #9 pick on that level of struggling every year.
PJ: Off topic but I haven't seen Evans play. How did he do against decent coverage? Was he able to get that step many were afraid he wouldn't in the NFL? Were any nasty cornerbacks able to knock him off his game?
I'm far from an expert, but since I had Mike Evans in fantasy football, LOL, I watched the Bucs when they were on offense quite a bit.
He looked great to me.
Good size (red zone mismatch), good speed (some long TD's), good hands, I don't know if he ran good routes (seemed to) and i noticed no issues getting separation, but again I'm not an expert in this, but if he struggled with it and still caught 70 passes, for over 1000 yards and 12 TD's as a rookie when you'd expect those issues to be worse then everyone should struggle with separation that much.
But he's also so much more fluid. I think he goes 30 to the Pats.