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NGT: Schefter McCoy for Alonso trade

Defenderdawg : 3/3/2015 6:35 pm
@AdamSchefter: Filed to ESPN: Bills have notified LB Kiko Alonso he is going to be traded to Philadelphia for RB LeSean McCoy. Trade official next week.
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Spiller reaction  
Steve L : 3/3/2015 8:24 pm : link
Finds out in the green room at ESPN. From NFL

C.J. Spiller learned his Bills career was over while sitting in the green room at NFL Network on Tuesday. The messenger was Willie McGinest, who told him that the Bills had acquired LeSean McCoy from the Eagles in exchange for Kiko Alonso.

"I thought he was joking," Spiller said.

Five minutes later, Spiller received a phone call from the Bills explaining that the reports were true. Spiller described it as a "thank you for your service" call.

"I hoped that I could return (to Buffalo)," Spiller said Tuesday on NFL Total Access. "Very few guys get to play their whole career at one team, but unfortunately that doesn't happen in this business and I found out today it doesn't happen in this business."

With the Eagles suddenly looking to fill a vacancy in their backfield, Spiller was asked about the possibility of he and McCoy trading places in 2015. Spiller will be fair game to all 32 teams next Tuesday.

"I'm pretty sure that Chip (Kelly) has my agent's phone number so I'm pretty sure we might have to make a call over there," he said.

"I've never been in that type of system before," referring to the Eagles' hyped offensive attack, "but I don't think I'd have any problem adjusting to it."

Credit to Spiller, who was in the highly unusual situation of reacting to this career-altering moment less than 30 minutes after it all went down. And let's not dismiss the possibility of Spiller taking McCoy's old gig in Philly.

Spiller has the versatility to play in Kelly's system and would come at a much cheaper cost than McCoy. Far crazier things have happened.
Wonder if the  
geemanfan : 3/3/2015 8:38 pm : link
Eagles after clearing all this money will make a run at Suh?
I am pretty sure shady  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 3/3/2015 8:39 pm : link
Is upset by this..going to buffalo
The Pats have a decision to make...  
Ryan : 3/3/2015 8:45 pm : link
...on Revis's club option that pays him a $12M roster bonus on 4/1. The Eagles don't currently have a starting CB (unless you consider Boykin a starter).

I don't think they're going after Suh - I think they're going to back up the truck for the best CB and S on the market.
...  
Toth029 : 3/3/2015 8:48 pm : link
Pats will bring back McCourty most likely and let Revis hit FA.
philly radio  
azogthedefiler : 3/3/2015 8:54 pm : link
Definitely going to be great listening tomorrow
this is f'ing nuts  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/3/2015 9:04 pm : link
I am really glad that I am not a philly fan right now. Or any time for that matter.
now  
blue42 : 3/3/2015 9:12 pm : link
they draft Melvin Gordon and move on while saving a boatload of cash.
maybe  
blue42 : 3/3/2015 9:13 pm : link
the Eagles see JPP as Coles replacement.
I really don't like this trade  
Sonic Youth : 3/3/2015 9:15 pm : link
Alonso is an all pro when healthy. I think Shady was on the way down.

Go Terps....  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/3/2015 9:16 pm : link
You let him go out in the sun?

RE: I really don't like this trade  
Toth029 : 3/3/2015 9:18 pm : link
In comment 12162115 Sonic Youth said:
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Alonso is an all pro when healthy. I think Shady was on the way down.

Alonso has never been All Pro.
RE: RE: Kelly REALLY believes in his system  
Jesse B : 3/3/2015 9:20 pm : link
In comment 12161991 speedywheels said:
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In comment 12161982 Jesse B said:


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Over the last 2 years the Eagles will have moved on from DeSean Maclin and Mccoy. Their three best offensive weapons.




When did the Eagles dump Maclin???


by not franchising him he has become an UFA
RE: RE: I really don't like this trade  
Sonic Youth : 3/3/2015 9:23 pm : link
In comment 12162126 Toth029 said:
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In comment 12162115 Sonic Youth said:


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Alonso is an all pro when healthy. I think Shady was on the way down.



Alonso has never been All Pro.

Thought he was his rookie year for some reason. Regardless, I think he is one of the best LBers in the league when healthy. He is definitely an injury risk and very undersized, but his instincts for the game are just insane.

I think McCoy was due for a steep, steep decline. He has tread on the tires and wasn't that productive last year. We've seen RBs fall off very fast before (Ray Rice pre-suspension comes to mind out of recent RBs, but there a ton of examples).

Alonso, if healthy, is someone who could be a pro bowl and occasional all pro for 5-6 years.
Eric...  
Go Terps : 3/3/2015 9:24 pm : link
God I loved that show.

"The front seat, Mother. I sit in the front seat now."
Eagles are clearing some serious  
giantgiantfan : 3/3/2015 9:25 pm : link
cap room. Don't care about them enough to do the numbers, but I'd imagine they've cleared 15 million at least with these moves.
Regarding McCoy...  
Go Terps : 3/3/2015 9:29 pm : link
I was never as high on him as a player as was the general consensus. He was obviously a handful for us, but I put that more on our defensive players' incompetence (including and especially our recently franchised DE) against cutback runners and read options. Our inability to defend that played right into his wheelhouse.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's enormously expensive at a fungible position that is even more fungible in Philly's offense. His being a scumbag off the field (and probably one on it and in the locker room) doesn't help matters.

This isn't as great for the Giants as many say here. It doesn't undo the damage he's done to us, and the Eagles just freed up a boatload of money. The question is what they do with it. If it's Suh, then that really sucks.

But I'd be worried about the Oregon thing in Philly given the QB in the draft.
agreed  
Sonic Youth : 3/3/2015 9:36 pm : link
This could turn into something like Suh + Alonso + Mariotta + fa RB for the Eagles. Those are some serious additions to Philly. I would not like that.
RE: maybe  
YAJ2112 : 3/3/2015 9:41 pm : link
In comment 12162112 blue42 said:
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the Eagles see JPP as Coles replacement.


They can't trade for Mariota and give up 2 1st rounders to sign JPP
The cap space saved in 2015 is irrelevant.  
eclipz928 : 3/3/2015 9:47 pm : link
Even if they had receivers to throw to (and they don't) the Eagles are not going to win a playoff game with Foles, Sanchez, or a rookie playing QB for them.

We'll find out for sure soon enough, but I don't think the Eagles are dumping salary to make a big free agent splash. The franchise is now in full rebuild mode.
I'm not sure the concern over Suh and Mariotta....  
BillKo : 3/3/2015 9:53 pm : link
the Eagles play a 3-4....Suh isn't playing the nose in Philly. And I'd doubt they'd change to a 4-3......would be more wise to stay 3-4 and add to their secondary.

Regarding Mariotta....McCoy could have been a chip in moving up. Most likely now, they have to give up more draft picks to get their guy.

All I am saying is, McCoy was a nice piece to lean on as a rookie QB gets experience.

I just have the feeling this guy is going to run Philly into the ground, then bolt back to college.....
Suh can play 34 End  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/3/2015 9:56 pm : link
He might be at his absolute best as a 43 DT but he's the type of guy who is a major impact player in any scheme.
RE: Suh can play 34 End  
BillKo : 3/3/2015 9:59 pm : link
In comment 12162181 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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He might be at his absolute best as a 43 DT but he's the type of guy who is a major impact player in any scheme.


3-4 end? That's a huge gamble, in addition to giving a guy huge money.

You don't pay a guy mega bucks then play him where he doesn't really play.......that's just my opinion.

Whether  
AcidTest : 3/3/2015 9:59 pm : link
the Eagles go for Suh or not, it sure looks like Kelly is clearing as much cap space as possible to sign FAs because his Ahab like quest for MM means he won't have any high round draft picks.
It's pretty clear cut to me...  
BillKo : 3/3/2015 10:03 pm : link
that going after secondary help, and then possibly trading for Mariotta is the way this team is headed.

Risky.....they will have a lot of cash tied up in potentially 2-3 players, and not have top draft picks at their disposal for a couple years depending on how a trade went down.

As a Giants fan...  
EricJ : 3/3/2015 10:09 pm : link
I wish the Eagles kept McCoy. They really did not use him last year in ways that have burned us in prior years. He was simply less effective last year. So, by removing him and adding all of that cap room...THAT makes me nervous.
RE: As a Giants fan...  
BillKo : 3/3/2015 10:13 pm : link
In comment 12162209 EricJ said:
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I wish the Eagles kept McCoy. They really did not use him last year in ways that have burned us in prior years. He was simply less effective last year. So, by removing him and adding all of that cap room...THAT makes me nervous.


He shredded us on Monday night, what were you watching? We were powerless to stop him.

The only reason he didn't completely torch us in the second game....well, that was a meaningless game (and he still ran for 100 on us)...............

Trading him is probably the right move, but trading him in a deal for Mariotta was probably the more prudent choice, not for a guy coming on an ACL.

yeah maybe my memory is not working too well  
EricJ : 3/3/2015 10:16 pm : link
but for some reason it seems to me as if he just killed us in prior years especially with the screens too.
Being a Jets fan  
The 12th Man : 3/3/2015 10:18 pm : link
Just got worse. :) good riddance !
RE: I actually think  
BillKo : 3/3/2015 10:20 pm : link
In comment 12161984 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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this is a good move for the Eagles. I wonder if they considered trading McCoy to help move up to get Mariota.


Paul, I think they probably asked the necessary teams, and with probably more interest in draft picks, just decided to trade him to primarily benefit their cap. I mean, how else can you justify trading a Top 5 back for a guy with coming on an ACL?

Chip Kelley is full of himself  
WillieYoung : 3/3/2015 10:34 pm : link
If McCoy was a Giant we'd all be devastated. Alonzo has the potential to be the best 4-3 coverage middle linebacker in the NFL, but he can't shed blocks in run defense. Bills improved immediately in run defense with Brandon Spikes at MLB. The way to beat them now is with a power running game. Why would they do this in the same division as Dallas?
A Giants' killer  
Big Blue '56 : 3/3/2015 10:34 pm : link
is gone..That is huge..No more twice a year
Alonso had ONE great rookie  
LauderdaleMatty : 3/3/2015 11:12 pm : link
year and didn't play a down his 2nd and tore his ACL for a 2nd time.

Kelly is an arrogant ass. Good. DC's have his offenses number. IMO he's a bit panicked as he doesn't really have a QB to run his beloved system. He also dumped anyone with a spine. He's a more successful version of Greg Schiano. A little success has gone to his head.

They will fall apart now that offenses don't have to worry about McCoy. If Maclin they are looking at a top 5 draft pick. Whoi the fuck is going to make anyone worried on offense? Riley Cooper? Dude went power mad and its going to be great watching them implode.
Demeco Ryans is probably not going to fully return  
Sonic Youth : 3/3/2015 11:43 pm : link
but if he did, Fletcher Cox, DeMeco Ryans, and Kiko Alonso is one solid LB corp.
Pat Kirwan said on Sirius  
FranknWeezer : 3/4/2015 12:10 am : link
to watch out for Murray to Phi.
Wow, amazing that McCoy is still only 26  
BlueManFu : 3/4/2015 12:44 am : link
Feels like he's been around forever....although with all of the mileage he's an 'old 26'
RE: RE: RE: I really don't like this trade  
Cam in MO : 3/4/2015 5:11 am : link
In comment 12162139 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 12162126 Toth029 said:


Sonic Youth said:


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Alonso is an all pro when healthy. I think Shady was on the way down.



Alonso has never been All Pro.


Thought he was his rookie year for some reason. Regardless, I think he is one of the best LBers in the league when healthy. He is definitely an injury risk and very undersized, but his instincts for the game are just insane.

I think McCoy was due for a steep, steep decline. He has tread on the tires and wasn't that productive last year. We've seen RBs fall off very fast before (Ray Rice pre-suspension comes to mind out of recent RBs, but there a ton of examples).

Alonso, if healthy, is someone who could be a pro bowl and occasional all pro for 5-6 years.



This idea that he wasn't productive last year is a great example of a manufactured, fantasy story.

Early in the season he had an injury and wasn't all that productive in the first four games. This of course caused all of the fantasy owners that drafted him #1 overall to shit themselves.

Since ESPN's reporting is primarily about Fantasy rather than actual football for the last decade or so, they ran with this idea that "something is wrong with McCoy this year" for most of the season.

He had fewer rushing TD's and fewer receptions and receiving yds than the prior year, but let's look at his actual production (rushing wise) for his career to put last year in perspective (although how anyone can think that a 1300yd back averaging over 4yds per is somehow unproductive is beyond me)
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Year GP Att yds avg lg td fd fum flst
2009 PHI 16 155 637 4.1 66 4 28 2 1

2010 PHI 15 207 1,080 5.2 62 7 48 1 1

2011 PHI 15 273 1,309 4.8 60 17 84 1 1

2012 PHI 12 200 840 4.2 34 2 45 4 3

2013 PHI 16 314 1,607 5.1 57 9 79 1 1

2014 PHI 16 312 1,319 4.2 53 5 67 3 2


So, yes- one could say that fantasy wise he had a down or unproductive year because of only 5 rushing td's and lower receiving numbers- but in actual, real football- he had a very good year, and was "unproductive" perhaps relative to the previous year. Relative to the rest of the NFL? Not even close.

I would love to have a 26yr old running back on the Giants that is as unproductive as McCoy.

Here's the scary thing: In a traditional offense with a lead blocker, how much more productive is he going to be?

Anyway- just a pet peeve of mine about how sports reporting (when it comes to the NFL) caters more towards fantasy than reality.

(Not singling you out, Sonic Youth- you just happened to be the most recent example- multiple folks have expressed this view)


they are going to need a large part of the cap space  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/4/2015 6:32 am : link
Just to replace the guys they let go.
RE: Demeco Ryans is probably not going to fully return  
Chris in Philly : 3/4/2015 6:32 am : link
In comment 12162327 Sonic Youth said:
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but if he did, Fletcher Cox, DeMeco Ryans, and Kiko Alonso is one solid LB corp.


Ryans is probably gone and Cox isn't a linebacker.
I've been convinced this was coming...  
Chris in Philly : 3/4/2015 6:35 am : link
for a year. Chip just did not like mccoy. What I don't understand is why he would not have acquired draft picks. Trading him isn't the surprise, he is certainly on the down side of his career, but not getting assets to help trade up for Chip's man crush makes it all rather strange.
McCoy  
bc4life : 3/4/2015 6:52 am : link
is the product of incompetent defenses?

2014 - 1319
2013 - 1607
2012 - 840
2011 - 1309
2010 - 1080
I'm more wondering  
Matt in SGS : 3/4/2015 7:17 am : link
that rather than clearing space for Suh, the Eagles are prepping a "Ricky Williams" type draft trade where they will more or less give up their picks to move up to get Mariotta and fulfill Chip's dream. In the meantime, they will go ahead and get guys like Alonso who are young and can essentially be figured as if he was a draft pick. And with the rest of that money, spend on several free agents to fill gaps across the roster that would have been found otherwise in the draft.

In the Eagles scheme, what would they do with Suh? Play him at NT or play him as a 2 gap DE, which negates most of what he's good at. Go back and look at Warren Sapp when he signed with the Raiders. He went from a one gap, penetrating DT who was a monster, to a 2 gap system where he was ineffective as a DE.

piggy-backing on Cam's post  
giants#1 : 3/4/2015 8:06 am : link
McCoy averaged 94 rushing yards/game and 4.64 yards/carry over his last 12 games last season. Amazing how those first 4 games when he played through an injury really skewed people's perception of his year.
Glad 2 Giant killers are now out of Philly  
Victor in CT : 3/4/2015 8:33 am : link
too bad we play Buffalo this year
RE: piggy-backing on Cam's post  
Cam in MO : 3/4/2015 8:42 am : link
In comment 12162428 giants#1 said:
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McCoy averaged 94 rushing yards/game and 4.64 yards/carry over his last 12 games last season. Amazing how those first 4 games when he played through an injury really skewed people's perception of his year.


Not enough touchdowns and receptions went to sproles/elsewhere = not as many fantasy points = unproductive/ he's on the downside/ he's got a lot of wear and tear.

The last part of course not based in reality.

I could see it if he had multiple 350+ carry years or if he had over 400 carries last year, but he's never been that kind of workhorse. Reid refuses to commit to the run and Kelly spreads the ball around.

IMO, barring injury he's going to be a beast this coming season. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him push 2K yds and 20+ tds under Rex in Buffalo.

and it's not just his yardage  
bc4life : 3/4/2015 9:15 am : link
it's how he impacts your schemes against the Eagles. McCoy makes you create other weaknesses in your defense
so glad he is gone  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/4/2015 9:20 am : link
Cutback runners are a pain in the ass to defend against
I think it's  
Metnut : 3/4/2015 9:36 am : link
a good move by the Eagles and is likely going to make them tougher next year. Football Outsiders ranked (amongst RBs) McCoy 24th in DVOA last year and PFF had him 36th in rushing, 34th in blocking and dead last in pass catching. They also ranked the Eagles OL highly in run blocking.

The prime for an NFL RB is short and the decline is often very fast. The Eagles basically dumped a declining RB (the most replacable position in the NFL) and got ~$10M cap room and a promising young LB (albeit on coming off of ACL). They have a lot of flexibility to go after FAs.

I think Dallas is going to come back to earth next year with their cap troubles and the Eagles will be our main competition to win the NFC East.
Fuck!!!  
Giants4246 : 3/4/2015 11:09 am : link
I was looking forward to him shredding the giants swiss cheese defense for another season.
excellent move  
NYG4246 : 3/4/2015 2:28 pm : link
only bc mccoy os gone....we'll still face hi this year though.....but for Philly, dumb as shit
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