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NFT: Breaking News: The Knicks Suck

Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/3/2015 8:48 pm
down 92-48 to the Kings (20-37).

Good lord I hope Phil's plan comes to fruition for you guys.
6-0 run to cut it to 48  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/3/2015 8:51 pm : link
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Very important loss.  
bceagle05 : 3/3/2015 8:51 pm : link
They had won two straight and were starting to gain confidence. Eye on the prize, fellas, eye on the prize...
38  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/3/2015 8:52 pm : link
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Yeah, but...  
jcn56 : 3/3/2015 8:54 pm : link
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hNIX7V21pU - ( New Window )
I watched the best of Knicks / Bulls in the 90s  
mattlawson : 3/3/2015 8:56 pm : link
The other night on YouTube to honor Mase in my own, private way. And God damn were those good NBA games.

I could give a fuck about the Knicks today.
Every Knick loss this year is a win.  
arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 8:57 pm : link
When you're tanking, the object is to do exactly what they're doing. Be awful.
they're definitely executing their plan  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/3/2015 9:00 pm : link
to perfection.

But it's just gross to watch. And a lot of teams are proving this year that tanking isn't the only way to become a contender.

I hope you land the #1 pick, I love going to MSG for good Knicks games.
Yeah, it's awful.  
arcarsenal : 3/3/2015 9:04 pm : link
I can't watch it. I just check the scores and when I see that they lost, I'm glad.

I think you can definitely build a good team without tanking but once the Knicks really started to slide it made sense to just go full retard and shoot for a chance at the top pick. Add a talented young kid and make him part of the foundation.

Hoping for the 1st pick and Okafor but I think they're basically guaranteed a good player. This draft is 4 deep at the top, IMO and the Knicks will definitely have one of those slots. Phil has his work cut out for him otherwise, though.
Like it's a big deal that the Knicks win a few games..  
Sean : 3/3/2015 9:07 pm : link
clearly the team with the worst record usually doesn't win the lottery.
Knick fans should turn on ESPN  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/3/2015 9:11 pm : link
And give Towns a watch. More useful than watching any Knick game.
Worst record guarantees a top four pick.  
bceagle05 : 3/3/2015 9:17 pm : link
It's huge this year.
Nothing wrong with dumping the season for the lottery  
mfsd : 3/3/2015 9:21 pm : link
but Dolan should give ticket holders who paid to watch an NBA game their money back. They're a D League team now
Cleanthony Early has been such a huge disappointment so far.  
Anakim : 3/3/2015 9:48 pm : link
He really needs to hit the weight room
Mudiay  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/3/2015 10:06 pm : link
Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Guangdong is down to Beijing 2-0 and will deactivate big man Jeff Adrien in favor of an all-import backcourt with Mudiay and Will Bynum.

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Emmanuel Mudiay hasn't played in a game since November 23rd, so this is a very unconventional move to activate him this late in the playoffs

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Successful return for Emmanuel Mudiay, scoring 24 pts (8-19 FG, 6-10 FT) in 34 min. Guangdong beats Beijing in Game 3 of the CBA playoffs.

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
In addition to Emmanuel Mudiay's 24 points (6-15 2P, 2-4 3P), he also had 8 rebs, 4 assists, 2 TOs, 4 steals today. Saves Guangdong's season

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Says something about Emmanuel Mudiay's professionalism that he didn't sulk and just steal money for the past 2 1/2 months. Stayed ready.

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Guangdong loses Game 4 of the CBA playoff semis. Emmanuel Mudiay finishes with 15 points, 8 assists, 7 rebounds, 6 turnovers in 44 minutes.

Jonathan Givony @DraftExpress
Mudiay's final shooting stats today: 3-10 2P, 2-4 3P, 3-6 FT. He finishes the season shooting 13-38 (34%) for 3 and 27/47 (57%) from FT line
RE: Cleanthony Early has been such a huge disappointment so far.  
DanMetroMan : 3/3/2015 10:07 pm : link
In comment 12162174 Anakim said:
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He really needs to hit the weight room


Maybe next year is different but he fucking sucks at this point. Like... I'm not sure he's even a 12th man going forward bad.
Towns in foul trouble...again.  
bceagle05 : 3/3/2015 10:34 pm : link
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It's really tough to gauge KATs  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/3/2015 10:39 pm : link
NBA potential when he's not featured at all. There are just too many good players on that Kentucky team.
Towns is heating up  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/3/2015 10:57 pm : link
Looking real good off the block.
I think Towns has solidified himself  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/3/2015 11:04 pm : link
as my #1 pick in this draft. His floor just seems like easily the highest of the Top 3/4 being a two-way big and all.

IMO, he's like a bigger Derrick Favors with better outside shot. Favors has become a 16/8 + strong D player over 31 MPG player in his 5th season.

Towns is going to be really good imo. He's not Anthony Davis or Embiid but he's definitely more impressive than Noel as a prospect due to his offensive potential.
Towns dominating.  
bceagle05 : 3/3/2015 11:09 pm : link
Nice to see.
Towns  
MookGiants : 3/4/2015 1:29 am : link
was absolutely terrific tonight besides getting in foul trouble.

He was able to score whenever they threw it into him down low. He looked very smooth in the post, nice footwork. He is a terrific free throw shooter and has a mid range shot.

Ash and I were talking earlier, he said he could be a 12/8 guy instantly in the pros. I agree.

Here's how I would rate the 3 right now.

Towns
Russell
Okafor

Hope Ash is doing well  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/4/2015 1:40 am : link
Don't know him, but he was a great contributor to Knicks/BBall threads.

This is the only game I've seen of Towns and I'm very impressed. He would be a consensus #1 if he wasn't on such a stacked team and was featured more. His arms are like fucking tree branches and he knows how to use them on defense. Still has a lot to learn, but that's fine.

I'd go Towns, Okafor, D'Lo. I also think Mudiay has more than an outside shot of claiming #3.
RE: RE: Cleanthony Early has been such a huge disappointment so far.  
Anakim : 3/4/2015 2:38 am : link
In comment 12162204 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12162174 Anakim said:


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He really needs to hit the weight room



Maybe next year is different but he fucking sucks at this point. Like... I'm not sure he's even a 12th man going forward bad.


Yep. I was one of the people who thought he'd be the steal of the Draft. Loved watching him during last year's March Madness for Wichita State. Now, he looks scared and out of place and he needs to hit the weight room ASAP. In hindsight, maybe they should've rolled the dice on Dinwiddie or Jordan Clarkson, but I'm not ready to give up on Early.
Meanwhile, how unique is WCS?  
Anakim : 3/4/2015 2:45 am : link
Thomas Beisner ‏@Beisner_cn2 3h3 hours ago
Also interesting: Cauley-Stein is one steal away from tying Tayshaun Prince on UK's all-time list and Tayshaun played 40 more games.


The guy seemingly can do it all. His offense also seems very underrated. We know he's a defensive beast, but given his effort and agility, I can see him being a Tyson Chandler type of player on both ends, with maybe WCS having better effort and range.
Every time the Knicks Lose...  
Zepp : 3/4/2015 5:29 am : link
I just watch this...


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didn't feel like starting a new thread about it... but got damn  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/4/2015 11:33 pm : link
Russell Westbrook just dropped 49/16/10 for his 4th straight Triple Double!!!!!!!!!

It was in a 5pt OT win against Philly, but still. The dude nearly had a 50pt triple double!

This guy is just unreal.
RE: Meanwhile, how unique is WCS?  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 11:35 pm : link
In comment 12162353 Anakim said:
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Thomas Beisner ‏@Beisner_cn2 3h3 hours ago
Also interesting: Cauley-Stein is one steal away from tying Tayshaun Prince on UK's all-time list and Tayshaun played 40 more games.


The guy seemingly can do it all. His offense also seems very underrated. We know he's a defensive beast, but given his effort and agility, I can see him being a Tyson Chandler type of player on both ends, with maybe WCS having better effort and range.


Keep in mind his age vs. the others. He will be a 22 year old rookie, Towns will be 20, Okafor 20 as well.
I really like him  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/4/2015 11:41 pm : link
usually guys who play like him don't have nearly the strength. He's not as powerfully built as Towns but he's not some skinny little bitch either.

I think worst case scenario for WCS, he still becomes a stud defender and impact role player. Really high floor on him.
Would love to see WCS end up on Phoenix  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/4/2015 11:44 pm : link
Ugh...
why?  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/4/2015 11:45 pm : link
you're a Suns fan?

But yea he'd be a great fit.
I enjoy watching the Suns play  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/4/2015 11:47 pm : link
Wouldn't call myself a fan, but I really like what their coach has turned that team into. Just a fast paced shove it down your throat type of offense. WCS would fit that pace perfectly and I think their coach is smart enough to put him in the right position to succeed. It would be nice to see a guy like WCS end up on a team he can truly thrive with.
DraftExpress put up a video analysis of Mudiays performance  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/4/2015 11:50 pm : link
In the Chinese playoffs
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RE: I really like him  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 11:50 pm : link
In comment 12164508 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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usually guys who play like him don't have nearly the strength. He's not as powerfully built as Towns but he's not some skinny little bitch either.

I think worst case scenario for WCS, he still becomes a stud defender and impact role player. Really high floor on him.


How many of the projected top 3-4 have a floor below "impact role player"? Okafor, Towns and Russell will all be at least "impact role players" and have significantly higher ceilings. For all of the defensive hype on WCS, Towns plays less minutes, blocks more shots and grabs the same amount of rebounds while destroying WCS at the line despite WCS now in his third season.
rumor is  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/4/2015 11:52 pm : link
that half that team despises Hornacek including the Morris twins.

I agree though, he's done a great job with them looking from the outside. Fun team to watch but unless Bledsoe hits another level, they're probably gonna be just another mid-tier team in a ridiculously loaded WC.
Okafor definitely  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/4/2015 11:56 pm : link
has a lower floors than WCS imo. If Okafor's scoring doesn't translate as well as we think and his D stays at this level, he could be a flat out bust.

And I think WCS is probably a slightly safer bet to be a "stud defender/hustle" guy in the NBA than Towns, although Towns has a clearly higher ceiling.
Fantasy scenario:  
manh george : 3/4/2015 11:59 pm : link
Knicks pick first and take Okafor. WCS goes seventh to ninth, as most mocks have him. Knicks trade Okafor for WCS and a quality starter, say at pg or pf. Then, Knicks get max cap player and another quality starter in FA.

Assuming WCS can hold down the fort at center while he gains strength, that would give the Knicks a quality full starting 5, practically the only way they can get one this year, I think. Otherwise they just have Melo, the draft pick and two quality FA, leaving a hole at the fifth starting position, which doesn't get filled for another year.

Thoughts?
RE: Fantasy scenario:  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2015 12:02 am : link
In comment 12164531 manh george said:
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Knicks pick first and take Okafor. WCS goes seventh to ninth, as most mocks have him. Knicks trade Okafor for WCS and a quality starter, say at pg or pf. Then, Knicks get max cap player and another quality starter in FA.

Assuming WCS can hold down the fort at center while he gains strength, that would give the Knicks a quality full starting 5, practically the only way they can get one this year, I think. Otherwise they just have Melo, the draft pick and two quality FA, leaving a hole at the fifth starting position, which doesn't get filled for another year.

Thoughts?


Okafor isn't viewed as a "can't miss" stud. Don't see anyone giving up a "good" starter and a top 7-9 pick for him unless the "good starter" is less than what I'm envisioning.
The Suns were never supposed to be a mid tier team  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/5/2015 12:03 am : link
They were supposed to be 76ers bad and somehow became this fast paced enjoyable team to watch that no team can take a night off against. I don't follow them closely so I wasn't aware of the Hornacek hatred. I knew Goran wasn't a big fan because of what his role turned into, but that's it.

They are definitely not close to being a real threat at the moment, but I really respect the fact that they aren't all in on the tank which is very trendy right now. You kind of just hope things break the right way for them. I think WCS would be a nice break for them, and would make them a lot more fun to watch. Which is good for all NBA fans.
WCS/Markieff  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/5/2015 12:05 am : link
would be the perfect frontcourt for today's game. I totally agree with you, now that you said it I'm gonna be rooting for WCS to go to the Suns.
#TheMovement  
AnotherGiantsFan : 3/5/2015 12:12 am : link
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he'd look sweet in Sactown too  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/5/2015 12:22 am : link
he'd be the perfect defender to pair next to Cousins. That would be another great frontcourt.

That's really why I love WCS though, so much of the NBA is about "fit" and WCS is the type of guy that could fit in well almost anywhere because of his skillset.
he's  
MookGiants : 3/5/2015 12:25 am : link
going to need to pack on a lot of weight to ever come close to his ceiling. He also may be a guy that simply will never be big enough, like a javale mcgee. Not comparing them as players just in body type. At Cauley Stein's frame right now his ceiling is a role player imo.
yea I don't think he'll ever be a star  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/5/2015 12:29 am : link
his offensive ceiling is just way lower than all the other Top 5 candidates.

But damn I love his game. He might need to add a little more weight but I don't think he's that skinny. Plus he's so much more agile than a guy like McGee, he could defend PFs without hesitation.

He's probably the closest thing to KG as a defender I've seen in college. Anthony Davis might've been better, but not as KG-like on D.

A respectable mid-range J would go a looong way for him. He's definitely missing that.
Interesting  
DanMetroMan : 3/5/2015 12:03 pm : link
piece on the Morris twins
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