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ZGiants98 : 3/3/2015 10:27 pm
Dillon Gee VS Wandy Rodriguez!

Its been an especially long offseason Mets fans. Its been an even longer return to respectability. We may or may not make the playoffs this year but this team is expected to be good and to contend in 2015. We've waited years for this. It all starts against the Braves in Orlando. Let's GO Mets!

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RE: RE: RE: Zero chance  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:36 pm : link
In comment 12162984 pjcas18 said:
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Harvey is released or traded because the Mets can't pay his arbitration years. Assuming he is pitching at a high level it would never happen.



Zero chance? If he's making 20 million in arbitration and is a year from FA there is zero chance? Okay then.



Isn't the record awarded in arbitration 10M? I read Trout is expected to earn around 12M.

If Harvey pitches so well he's awarded 20M in arbitration isn't he winning cy young awards or at worst being a lights out pitcher? By then Wright will be older and Harvey will become the face of the team.

Trade is one thing which I'd never rule out, but it's silly to suggest, beyond silly actually, the Mets cut him because he's too good.


2013 Lincecum put in for 21.5, Giants countered 17. 20 is 100% realistic come 2017 if Matt harvey is indeed Matt Harvey.


" In theory, the framework for Lincecum's deal was forged last Tuesday, when he and the Giants exchanged proposed salary figures for one-year contracts, a fundamental step in the arbitration process. Lincecum asked for $21.5 million, the largest request ever submitted by a player with less than six years' service time. The Giants countered with $17 million, the richest offer ever made by a ballclub in an arbitration case since the process was implemented in 1974."
Sorry  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:37 pm : link
that was 2012. point remains the same.

Billboard in Port St Lucie  
sphinx : 3/4/2015 12:38 pm : link
Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN
I-95 billboard in Florida, north of PSL:


No  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:38 pm : link
offense but who the hell suggested they cut Matt Harvey? This is what I'm talking about. I never insinuated that even 1%
RE: Harvey  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:39 pm : link
In comment 12162931 DanMetroMan said:
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is a FA after the 2018 season. So 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018. That said, his arbitration numbers may become so large that the cheap Mets deal him.


Release? Cut? What?
Strangely  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:47 pm : link
I haven't seen anything regarding 2015's STEP camp. Went back to look at Toby's site and last year it began on 2/22. Shecky has it been canceled or something? On the same note-

Toby Hyde has gone oddly radio silent on twitter and his website 1/23 was his last update on his site and 1/28 his last tweet.
Nevermind  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:49 pm : link
#Mets Minor League STEP Camp began Feb 28. Lots of great young pitching talent is here, including Molina and Taylor.- Brender
ZG  
pjcas18 : 3/4/2015 12:49 pm : link
said this:

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Zero chance
ZGiants98 : 12:06 pm : link : reply
Harvey is released or traded because the Mets can't pay his arbitration years. Assuming he is pitching at a high level it would never happen.


and you said this:

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Zero chance? If he's making 20 million in arbitration and is a year from FA there is zero chance? Okay then.


My apologies, I should have probably assumed you only meant traded, but either case I'd be surprised if his trajectory is such that he's outpacing other arbitration records by leaps and bounds, with the on-field results to support it, and he's traded.

the lone caveat I guess would be if Wheeler, deGrom, Matz, Thor, Montero, etc, all pan out and trading Harvey yields like a Mookie Betts and Moncada or players like that.
PJ  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:52 pm : link
like I said, 2012 Lincecum was in line to get AT LEAST 17 million in arbitration (the Giants put in for that number), so 2012,13, 14, 15, 16, 17... you don't think 6 seasons later Harvey (if he's Harvey) could be in line for a similar number? Look how salaries are inflating as it is.
ZGiants  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:53 pm : link
can mention release all he wants. I said he could be traded because they are cheap. When was the last time a player worthy of "20 million" was released? I would never make such a ridiculous claim and not really sure why he did.
David  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 12:55 pm : link
Price got 19.75.


"On Friday, Tigers left-hander David Price agreed to a one-year contract for the 2015 season, a contract that will pay him $19.75 million. That is a new record salary for an arbitration-eligible player, smashing the old record set just last year by Max Scherzer ($15.25 million).

Price was expected to set the record -- MLB Trade Rumors projected an $18.9 million salary -- mostly because he's an excellent pitcher, compiling an 86-51 record with a 3.21 ERA (121 OPS+) and 1,147 strikeouts in 1,221 1/3 career innings. Price also has a Cy Young (2012) as well as a second place finish in the voting (2010) to his credit. He's also been an All-Star four times."

I don't think "20" is outlandish at all for Matt Harvey given these comparisons.


RE: ZGiants  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 12:59 pm : link
In comment 12163045 DanMetroMan said:
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can mention release all he wants. I said he could be traded because they are cheap. When was the last time a player worthy of "20 million" was released? I would never make such a ridiculous claim and not really sure why he did.


Not released. I meant not offered arbitration and I already apologized. Geezus.

My bigger point remains. The Mets aren't getting rid of Harvey by any means possible due to them not being able to pay his arbitration. That's ludicrous IMO
That Olney comments seem like baiting  
Eric on Li : 3/4/2015 1:00 pm : link
It's so far off, who the hell knows what happens? By that point Harvey could be Verlander (with Cy Youngs and WS rings) or Prior (nothing but good memories). The Mets track record in handling him has been strongly towards protecting him, so the "over throwing" stuff would have to happen before anyone should believe it.

Maybe the billboard shames ownership into selling? Did his analysis factor in the billboard?
RE: David  
pjcas18 : 3/4/2015 1:01 pm : link
In comment 12163056 DanMetroMan said:
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Price got 19.75.


"On Friday, Tigers left-hander David Price agreed to a one-year contract for the 2015 season, a contract that will pay him $19.75 million. That is a new record salary for an arbitration-eligible player, smashing the old record set just last year by Max Scherzer ($15.25 million).

Price was expected to set the record -- MLB Trade Rumors projected an $18.9 million salary -- mostly because he's an excellent pitcher, compiling an 86-51 record with a 3.21 ERA (121 OPS+) and 1,147 strikeouts in 1,221 1/3 career innings. Price also has a Cy Young (2012) as well as a second place finish in the voting (2010) to his credit. He's also been an All-Star four times."

I don't think "20" is outlandish at all for Matt Harvey given these comparisons.



Aren't these contracts? The best I can tell no player has actually been awarded more than $10M in arbitration, have they? I know it stands to reason the team proposes slightly less than projected and the player submits slightly more and if possible they come to agreement on a contract - like in these cases.

But I couldn't find an example of a player being awarded more than $10M.
RE: RE: ZGiants  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:03 pm : link
In comment 12163069 ZGiants98 said:
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can mention release all he wants. I said he could be traded because they are cheap. When was the last time a player worthy of "20 million" was released? I would never make such a ridiculous claim and not really sure why he did.



Not released. I meant not offered arbitration and I already apologized. Geezus.

My bigger point remains. The Mets aren't getting rid of Harvey by any means possible due to them not being able to pay his arbitration. That's ludicrous IMO


No. The Mets conceivably could/would trade Matt Harvey vs. paying him 20 million for 1 year only to see him walk (if they were in fact resigned to this fact). They very possibly could/would see 20 million plus a boatload of prospects being worth more than 1 year of Matt Harvey at 20 million. Not looking to get into another Wilpon debate but until we see the payroll increase substantially seeing is believing and guys like Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, TDA and even Duda will become more and more expensive and limit what you do. Notice teams like the A's and Rays end up shipping off their good players once they get to that point.
RE: RE: David  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:05 pm : link
In comment 12163072 pjcas18 said:
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Price got 19.75.


"On Friday, Tigers left-hander David Price agreed to a one-year contract for the 2015 season, a contract that will pay him $19.75 million. That is a new record salary for an arbitration-eligible player, smashing the old record set just last year by Max Scherzer ($15.25 million).

Price was expected to set the record -- MLB Trade Rumors projected an $18.9 million salary -- mostly because he's an excellent pitcher, compiling an 86-51 record with a 3.21 ERA (121 OPS+) and 1,147 strikeouts in 1,221 1/3 career innings. Price also has a Cy Young (2012) as well as a second place finish in the voting (2010) to his credit. He's also been an All-Star four times."

I don't think "20" is outlandish at all for Matt Harvey given these comparisons.





Aren't these contracts? The best I can tell no player has actually been awarded more than $10M in arbitration, have they? I know it stands to reason the team proposes slightly less than projected and the player submits slightly more and if possible they come to agreement on a contract - like in these cases.

But I couldn't find an example of a player being awarded more than $10M.


Yes. They settled. That's generally what happens. But the 19.7 was a mid-point that the Tigers felt comfortable. They didn't randomly come up with that number. MLBTR projected Price would have received 18.9 million if he would have gone through with arbitration.
Assuming Harvey  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:07 pm : link
is a dominant ace like Price at that time, a one year 20 million dollar contract is as team friendly and cheap as you could possibly want. You give up three Daniel Murphys in a heart beat to pay one of the elite aces in the game for one measly year.
In either case  
pjcas18 : 3/4/2015 1:07 pm : link
Price is a good example where if Harvey puts up those kind of numbers AND the Mets are successful I would be surprised if he's traded to avoid paying him.

If they're paying Murphy 8M+ for his level of contribution I think they'll pay Harvey 20M for Price numbers.

LOL  
pjcas18 : 3/4/2015 1:07 pm : link
we both came back to that same example.
RE: RE: RE: ZGiants  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:09 pm : link
In comment 12163076 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 12163045 DanMetroMan said:


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can mention release all he wants. I said he could be traded because they are cheap. When was the last time a player worthy of "20 million" was released? I would never make such a ridiculous claim and not really sure why he did.



Not released. I meant not offered arbitration and I already apologized. Geezus.

My bigger point remains. The Mets aren't getting rid of Harvey by any means possible due to them not being able to pay his arbitration. That's ludicrous IMO



No. The Mets conceivably could/would trade Matt Harvey vs. paying him 20 million for 1 year only to see him walk (if they were in fact resigned to this fact). They very possibly could/would see 20 million plus a boatload of prospects being worth more than 1 year of Matt Harvey at 20 million. Not looking to get into another Wilpon debate but until we see the payroll increase substantially seeing is believing and guys like Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, TDA and even Duda will become more and more expensive and limit what you do. Notice teams like the A's and Rays end up shipping off their good players once they get to that point.


I already said this and you know I did. If you are trading him in a walk year for a boatload of prospects because you know he is going to test free agency that is a completely different argument then "the Mets have to get rid of Harvey because they cant pay his arbitration years" (which is what I thought you were originally claiming."
RE: Assuming Harvey  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:10 pm : link
In comment 12163088 ZGiants98 said:
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is a dominant ace like Price at that time, a one year 20 million dollar contract is as team friendly and cheap as you could possibly want. You give up three Daniel Murphys in a heart beat to pay one of the elite aces in the game for one measly year.


It's not "team friendly" if you know the guy is 100% leaving. It may be money better spent + talent added at that point. Either you are comfortable paying Matt Harvey 180-200+ or you are not. If you are not then you trade him. What does 1 "final year" do for you?
No  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:11 pm : link
the 20 million is part of the equation. Pitcher x at 4-5 years 13 million per season replacing Harvey + boatload of prospects may be an equation the Mets prefer.
..  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:12 pm : link
Adam Rubin ✔ @AdamRubinESPN

Juan Lagares locked up leadoff spot with a walk.
Lagares walks  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:13 pm : link
Flores singles. Runners on first and second.
RE: No  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:14 pm : link
In comment 12163105 DanMetroMan said:
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the 20 million is part of the equation. Pitcher x at 4-5 years 13 million per season replacing Harvey + boatload of prospects may be an equation the Mets prefer.


Again, this is a completely different argument then what I thought you originally meant.
RE: Lagares walks  
feelflows : 3/4/2015 1:14 pm : link
In comment 12163114 ZGiants98 said:
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Flores singles. Runners on first and second.


when Flores singled, I heard Collins in the Mets dugout say "GOD DAMN IT"...
the  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:15 pm : link
more I think about it the more I'm curious where exactly Toby Hyde has been? Did SNY can his site or something?
Flores says  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:16 pm : link
FU SS competition. I'm batting .1000 this spring!
RE: RE: Lagares walks  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:16 pm : link
In comment 12163118 feelflows said:
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Flores singles. Runners on first and second.



when Flores singled, I heard Collins in the Mets dugout say "GOD DAMN IT"...


lol.
Kirk doubles  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:17 pm : link
1-0 Mets.
Maybe Reyes is a good comparison  
pjcas18 : 3/4/2015 1:17 pm : link
the obvious difference is Mets bought out his arbitration years and I believe his first year in free agency.

but...they let him play it out, when he easily could have been traded.

but we've rehashed this one a ton. its why I've been avoiding these threads until the season. Or trying to.
Cambell walks  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:20 pm : link
Wandy is struggling. Wait until we have our other 5 starters playing. lol
Allen grounds out.  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:21 pm : link
inning over. 1-0 Mets.
Gee walks EYJ  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:24 pm : link
Watch him steal 2nd and 3rd now.
Yup.  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:25 pm : link
base stolen.
I know Simmons is out  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:27 pm : link
but man does the Braves home lineup look horrid. BJ Upton is out too but he sucks anwyay.
TDA's  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:28 pm : link
defense/throwing is something to watch for this spring. No idea if that steal was on him just in general.
Braves  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:29 pm : link
offense should be awful this year. Lots of young pitching but they look like last years Mets with an even worse offense even down to the strange Markakis 4 year deal.
Gee pitching like he left off  
ZGiants98 : 3/4/2015 1:31 pm : link
last year. Way to pump that trade value!
Braves  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:32 pm : link
pitching and upcoming pitching should be good. Nationals, Mets, Braves have a bunch of young pitching. Marlins less so but they have a good farm too.
I don't like Markakis and wouldn't have signed him to the Mets  
Eric on Li : 3/4/2015 1:34 pm : link
but I could see him being decent for Atlanta. Other than Simmons & Freeman their every day players are pretty crappy.
RE: I don't like Markakis and wouldn't have signed him to the Mets  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:36 pm : link
In comment 12163179 Eric on Li said:
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but I could see him being decent for Atlanta. Other than Simmons & Freeman their every day players are pretty crappy.


Yeah but why bother with Markakis on a 4 year deal when 2015 is a total throwaway? Can find a similar guy when you are ready to compete.
..  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:37 pm : link
"I talked to Noah yesterday, that's the thing I apologized to him for not realizing that obviously I choose to do it, so it's not the media's fault by any means, but I didn't notice the media was within earshot. So that's what I apologized to Noah for," Wright said.

"Now he has to answer questions, I have to answer questions, (Mets manager) Terry (Collins) has to answer questions, that's not the way that I like to handle things. I wasn't aware of my surroundings. As far as the content of it, I think that's something that I think Noah did an excellent job understanding the situation, he was very remorseful of the situation."

On Tuesday, Wright and reliever Bobby Parnell were upset Syndergaard went into the clubhouse to eat lunch while the Mets were in the middle of an intrasquad game. Wright told Syndergaard he needed to be on the bench during the game, but Parnell went one step further by throwing out the plate of food Syndergaard was eating.

Syndergaard, who added staying in the clubhouse was "straight up" ignorance on his part, said Wright has spoken to him twice since the incident.

"He wanted to make sure I knew that Bobby (Parnell) and he were not picking on me," Syndergaard said Wednesday. "He just wanted to make it clear, they care about me, they want me to be a part of the team, they think I can contribute in the future."
Braves  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:40 pm : link
pitching isn't quite the Mets but it's not far off

Wood, Teheran, Minor, Miller top 4

Jenkins, Foltynewicz, Sims, Fried. Very interesting to see how they look going forward.
No one on the league  
dep026 : 3/4/2015 1:43 pm : link
has a dominating trio of Harang, Jerome Williams, and Chad Billingsly.
RE: No one on the league  
feelflows : 3/4/2015 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12163201 dep026 said:
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has a dominating trio of Harang, Jerome Williams, and Chad Billingsly.


is there anyone exciting to watch at Lehigh Valley this year?
RE: Billboard in Port St Lucie  
Shecky : 3/4/2015 1:47 pm : link
In comment 12163008 sphinx said:
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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN
I-95 billboard in Florida, north of PSL:



NORTH of PSL. When spending && to make a point - know your target audience!!

Dan - Marlins system is shot...
Braves pitching could be great.  
GiantFilthy : 3/4/2015 1:49 pm : link
The offense might be very bottom of the league.
didnt the  
sshin05 : 3/4/2015 1:50 pm : link
phillies lose to a DII team a few days ago? I know its exhibition but i thought that was funny.
RE: RE: Billboard in Port St Lucie  
DanMetroMan : 3/4/2015 1:53 pm : link
In comment 12163214 Shecky said:
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Adam Rubin ‏@AdamRubinESPN
I-95 billboard in Florida, north of PSL:





NORTH of PSL. When spending && to make a point - know your target audience!!

Dan - Marlins system is shot...


I guess agree to disagree. I think they have a very "young" ie big bust potential system but they also have a lot of young MLB talent (more than most teams). I mean they have Stanton, Gordon, Ozuna, Yelich, Alvarez, Cosart all 25 or younger. I mean isn't that what a "system" is for? To produce young players? Throw in Realmuto who likely is pretty close and that's quite a nice young stable.
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