Dillon Gee VS Wandy Rodriguez!
Its been an especially long offseason Mets fans. Its been an even longer return to respectability. We may or may not make the playoffs this year but this team is expected to be good and to contend in 2015. We've waited years for this. It all starts against the Braves in Orlando. Let's GO Mets!
(Lineups to follow)
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In comment 12162939 ZGiants98 said:
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Harvey is released or traded because the Mets can't pay his arbitration years. Assuming he is pitching at a high level it would never happen.
Zero chance? If he's making 20 million in arbitration and is a year from FA there is zero chance? Okay then.
Isn't the record awarded in arbitration 10M? I read Trout is expected to earn around 12M.
If Harvey pitches so well he's awarded 20M in arbitration isn't he winning cy young awards or at worst being a lights out pitcher? By then Wright will be older and Harvey will become the face of the team.
Trade is one thing which I'd never rule out, but it's silly to suggest, beyond silly actually, the Mets cut him because he's too good.
2013 Lincecum put in for 21.5, Giants countered 17. 20 is 100% realistic come 2017 if Matt harvey is indeed Matt Harvey.
" In theory, the framework for Lincecum's deal was forged last Tuesday, when he and the Giants exchanged proposed salary figures for one-year contracts, a fundamental step in the arbitration process. Lincecum asked for $21.5 million, the largest request ever submitted by a player with less than six years' service time. The Giants countered with $17 million, the richest offer ever made by a ballclub in an arbitration case since the process was implemented in 1974."
I-95 billboard in Florida, north of PSL:
Release? Cut? What?
Toby Hyde has gone oddly radio silent on twitter and his website 1/23 was his last update on his site and 1/28 his last tweet.
ZGiants98 : 12:06 pm : link : reply
Harvey is released or traded because the Mets can't pay his arbitration years. Assuming he is pitching at a high level it would never happen.
and you said this:
My apologies, I should have probably assumed you only meant traded, but either case I'd be surprised if his trajectory is such that he's outpacing other arbitration records by leaps and bounds, with the on-field results to support it, and he's traded.
the lone caveat I guess would be if Wheeler, deGrom, Matz, Thor, Montero, etc, all pan out and trading Harvey yields like a Mookie Betts and Moncada or players like that.
"On Friday, Tigers left-hander David Price agreed to a one-year contract for the 2015 season, a contract that will pay him $19.75 million. That is a new record salary for an arbitration-eligible player, smashing the old record set just last year by Max Scherzer ($15.25 million).
Price was expected to set the record -- MLB Trade Rumors projected an $18.9 million salary -- mostly because he's an excellent pitcher, compiling an 86-51 record with a 3.21 ERA (121 OPS+) and 1,147 strikeouts in 1,221 1/3 career innings. Price also has a Cy Young (2012) as well as a second place finish in the voting (2010) to his credit. He's also been an All-Star four times."
I don't think "20" is outlandish at all for Matt Harvey given these comparisons.
Not released. I meant not offered arbitration and I already apologized. Geezus.
My bigger point remains. The Mets aren't getting rid of Harvey by any means possible due to them not being able to pay his arbitration. That's ludicrous IMO
Maybe the billboard shames ownership into selling? Did his analysis factor in the billboard?
"On Friday, Tigers left-hander David Price agreed to a one-year contract for the 2015 season, a contract that will pay him $19.75 million. That is a new record salary for an arbitration-eligible player, smashing the old record set just last year by Max Scherzer ($15.25 million).
Price was expected to set the record -- MLB Trade Rumors projected an $18.9 million salary -- mostly because he's an excellent pitcher, compiling an 86-51 record with a 3.21 ERA (121 OPS+) and 1,147 strikeouts in 1,221 1/3 career innings. Price also has a Cy Young (2012) as well as a second place finish in the voting (2010) to his credit. He's also been an All-Star four times."
I don't think "20" is outlandish at all for Matt Harvey given these comparisons.
Aren't these contracts? The best I can tell no player has actually been awarded more than $10M in arbitration, have they? I know it stands to reason the team proposes slightly less than projected and the player submits slightly more and if possible they come to agreement on a contract - like in these cases.
But I couldn't find an example of a player being awarded more than $10M.
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can mention release all he wants. I said he could be traded because they are cheap. When was the last time a player worthy of "20 million" was released? I would never make such a ridiculous claim and not really sure why he did.
Not released. I meant not offered arbitration and I already apologized. Geezus.
My bigger point remains. The Mets aren't getting rid of Harvey by any means possible due to them not being able to pay his arbitration. That's ludicrous IMO
No. The Mets conceivably could/would trade Matt Harvey vs. paying him 20 million for 1 year only to see him walk (if they were in fact resigned to this fact). They very possibly could/would see 20 million plus a boatload of prospects being worth more than 1 year of Matt Harvey at 20 million. Not looking to get into another Wilpon debate but until we see the payroll increase substantially seeing is believing and guys like Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, TDA and even Duda will become more and more expensive and limit what you do. Notice teams like the A's and Rays end up shipping off their good players once they get to that point.
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Price got 19.75.
"On Friday, Tigers left-hander David Price agreed to a one-year contract for the 2015 season, a contract that will pay him $19.75 million. That is a new record salary for an arbitration-eligible player, smashing the old record set just last year by Max Scherzer ($15.25 million).
Price was expected to set the record -- MLB Trade Rumors projected an $18.9 million salary -- mostly because he's an excellent pitcher, compiling an 86-51 record with a 3.21 ERA (121 OPS+) and 1,147 strikeouts in 1,221 1/3 career innings. Price also has a Cy Young (2012) as well as a second place finish in the voting (2010) to his credit. He's also been an All-Star four times."
I don't think "20" is outlandish at all for Matt Harvey given these comparisons.
Aren't these contracts? The best I can tell no player has actually been awarded more than $10M in arbitration, have they? I know it stands to reason the team proposes slightly less than projected and the player submits slightly more and if possible they come to agreement on a contract - like in these cases.
But I couldn't find an example of a player being awarded more than $10M.
Yes. They settled. That's generally what happens. But the 19.7 was a mid-point that the Tigers felt comfortable. They didn't randomly come up with that number. MLBTR projected Price would have received 18.9 million if he would have gone through with arbitration.
If they're paying Murphy 8M+ for his level of contribution I think they'll pay Harvey 20M for Price numbers.
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In comment 12163045 DanMetroMan said:
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can mention release all he wants. I said he could be traded because they are cheap. When was the last time a player worthy of "20 million" was released? I would never make such a ridiculous claim and not really sure why he did.
Not released. I meant not offered arbitration and I already apologized. Geezus.
My bigger point remains. The Mets aren't getting rid of Harvey by any means possible due to them not being able to pay his arbitration. That's ludicrous IMO
No. The Mets conceivably could/would trade Matt Harvey vs. paying him 20 million for 1 year only to see him walk (if they were in fact resigned to this fact). They very possibly could/would see 20 million plus a boatload of prospects being worth more than 1 year of Matt Harvey at 20 million. Not looking to get into another Wilpon debate but until we see the payroll increase substantially seeing is believing and guys like Harvey, Wheeler, deGrom, TDA and even Duda will become more and more expensive and limit what you do. Notice teams like the A's and Rays end up shipping off their good players once they get to that point.
I already said this and you know I did. If you are trading him in a walk year for a boatload of prospects because you know he is going to test free agency that is a completely different argument then "the Mets have to get rid of Harvey because they cant pay his arbitration years" (which is what I thought you were originally claiming."
It's not "team friendly" if you know the guy is 100% leaving. It may be money better spent + talent added at that point. Either you are comfortable paying Matt Harvey 180-200+ or you are not. If you are not then you trade him. What does 1 "final year" do for you?
Juan Lagares locked up leadoff spot with a walk.
Again, this is a completely different argument then what I thought you originally meant.
when Flores singled, I heard Collins in the Mets dugout say "GOD DAMN IT"...
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Flores singles. Runners on first and second.
when Flores singled, I heard Collins in the Mets dugout say "GOD DAMN IT"...
lol.
but...they let him play it out, when he easily could have been traded.
but we've rehashed this one a ton. its why I've been avoiding these threads until the season. Or trying to.
Yeah but why bother with Markakis on a 4 year deal when 2015 is a total throwaway? Can find a similar guy when you are ready to compete.
"Now he has to answer questions, I have to answer questions, (Mets manager) Terry (Collins) has to answer questions, that's not the way that I like to handle things. I wasn't aware of my surroundings. As far as the content of it, I think that's something that I think Noah did an excellent job understanding the situation, he was very remorseful of the situation."
On Tuesday, Wright and reliever Bobby Parnell were upset Syndergaard went into the clubhouse to eat lunch while the Mets were in the middle of an intrasquad game. Wright told Syndergaard he needed to be on the bench during the game, but Parnell went one step further by throwing out the plate of food Syndergaard was eating.
Syndergaard, who added staying in the clubhouse was "straight up" ignorance on his part, said Wright has spoken to him twice since the incident.
"He wanted to make sure I knew that Bobby (Parnell) and he were not picking on me," Syndergaard said Wednesday. "He just wanted to make it clear, they care about me, they want me to be a part of the team, they think I can contribute in the future."
Wood, Teheran, Minor, Miller top 4
Jenkins, Foltynewicz, Sims, Fried. Very interesting to see how they look going forward.
is there anyone exciting to watch at Lehigh Valley this year?
I-95 billboard in Florida, north of PSL:
NORTH of PSL. When spending && to make a point - know your target audience!!
Dan - Marlins system is shot...
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I-95 billboard in Florida, north of PSL:
NORTH of PSL. When spending && to make a point - know your target audience!!
Dan - Marlins system is shot...
I guess agree to disagree. I think they have a very "young" ie big bust potential system but they also have a lot of young MLB talent (more than most teams). I mean they have Stanton, Gordon, Ozuna, Yelich, Alvarez, Cosart all 25 or younger. I mean isn't that what a "system" is for? To produce young players? Throw in Realmuto who likely is pretty close and that's quite a nice young stable.