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ESPN reports Peyton Manning taking paycut, will Eli follow

wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 3:46 pm
his big brothers example? 4 Million paycut.
Why?  
Peter in Atl : 3/4/2015 3:48 pm : link
?
Why  
AcidTest : 3/4/2015 3:48 pm : link
would Eli take a pay cut? Big brother is older, has had serious back surgery, and his arm looked like a wet noodle at the end of the year.
If Eli contract changes it will  
NYGTBlair : 3/4/2015 3:48 pm : link
be a restructure, not a pay cut.
straight up paycut?  
giants#1 : 3/4/2015 3:48 pm : link
or lowered his cap hit this year and got some extra guaranteed money (spread over 2015 & 2016) in exchange?
RE: If Eli contract changes it will  
giants#1 : 3/4/2015 3:49 pm : link
In comment 12163456 NYGTBlair said:
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be a restructure, not a pay cut.


Technically it'll be an extension.
Apparently Denver has cash flow problems.  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 3:49 pm : link
Thats what ESPN is reporting. Also more cap friendly to win.
Brady  
chris r : 3/4/2015 3:51 pm : link
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At Eli's current stage of his career Peyton never did  
steve in ky : 3/4/2015 3:51 pm : link
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Follow Big Brothers Example, not paycut.  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 3:51 pm : link
Eli can help the Giants with a more cap friendly new contract sometime this year.
If I were Eli  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 3/4/2015 3:55 pm : link
I would. At this point it would be about winning not about cash. But that doesn't mean Eli would see it that way.
If Peyton plays for 15 million and Brady even less,  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 3:55 pm : link
it can not make Eli's negotiating position stronger. If anything it hurts his position.
Because QBs like Peyton and Brady take their teams....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 3/4/2015 3:55 pm : link
....to the playoffs every year and accept restructures to benefit their organizations too.
Before going on about pay cuts, I'd wait to see the actual terms of  
Devon : 3/4/2015 3:56 pm : link
this supposed selflessness his brother should be living up to.
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Danny Kanell : 3/4/2015 3:57 pm : link
I would be happy if the Giants could sign Eli at 15 million per year.  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 3:57 pm : link
Eli will not get poor at 15 million per year.
Peyton has more money flowing from advertisement  
spike : 3/4/2015 3:57 pm : link
he would rather have a stronger team to compete for a ring.
He needs an extension  
Chip : 3/4/2015 3:57 pm : link
Not a pay cut.
RE: Follow Big Brothers Example, not paycut.  
Peter in Atl : 3/4/2015 3:59 pm : link
In comment 12163467 wgenesis123 said:
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Eli can help the Giants with a more cap friendly new contract sometime this year.


Were you a starting CB with that backpedal?
LOL  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 4:00 pm : link
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RE: Why  
InvisibleBlack : 3/4/2015 4:06 pm : link
In comment 12163455 AcidTest said:
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would Eli take a pay cut? Big brother is older, has had serious back surgery, and his arm looked like a wet noodle at the end of the year.


Why do people have to comment on something they have no knowledge on?

Peyton was playing with a torn Right quadricep, that's why he had that multiple pick game in Cincinnati and would continue his streak of off games.

Noodle? Shut up dude. Peyton is a great still QuarterBack.

Eli is getting Extended and it will free up alot of Cap Space.
Don't get hung up on semantics and miss the point.  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 4:07 pm : link
Eli is in the last year of his contract. Peyton is taking less money to help his team. Peyton is following Brady's example. Will Eli follow Peyton's example while negotiating his next contract with the Giants? Oh and if Eli wanted to, he could knock 4 million off of this year just like Peyton.
Not sure he's going to be able  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 3/4/2015 4:09 pm : link
To take a pay cut. Will he be eligible for food stamps?
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Why...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 3/4/2015 4:14 pm : link
Why would Peyton have any bearing whatsoever on what Eli does? Completely different situations. They are 2 different players why must we link them in everything?
RE: Don't get hung up on semantics and miss the point.  
Devon : 3/4/2015 4:22 pm : link
In comment 12163529 wgenesis123 said:
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Eli is in the last year of his contract. Peyton is taking less money to help his team. Peyton is following Brady's example. Will Eli follow Peyton's example while negotiating his next contract with the Giants? Oh and if Eli wanted to, he could knock 4 million off of this year just like Peyton.


Again, wait until the real terms are out before going on about this example.

The initial PR spin is going to make it seem like some selfless sacrifice was made (and will probably be all anyone remembers to be honest, because no one controls his image better than Peyton), but what actually is may be different.
The Mannings have enough money  
mrvax : 3/4/2015 4:26 pm : link
to do whatever they want short of buying up China's US debt.
I'd be a little annoyed if Eli didn't work out a team friendly contract. Not for the owners sake, but just to allow the Giants to re-tool enough for another SB run.

I'd love to see Eli sign for 4 years, $60M, $35M guaranteed.
RE: RE: Why  
AcidTest : 3/4/2015 4:27 pm : link
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would Eli take a pay cut? Big brother is older, has had serious back surgery, and his arm looked like a wet noodle at the end of the year.



Why do people have to comment on something they have no knowledge on?

Peyton was playing with a torn Right quadricep, that's why he had that multiple pick game in Cincinnati and would continue his streak of off games.

Noodle? Shut up dude. Peyton is a great still QuarterBack.

Eli is getting Extended and it will free up alot of Cap Space.


I knew about his torn right quadricep. Who doesn't? And it certainly made it more difficult for him to throw. But his arm strength was already declining before that injury because of the neck surgery.

There was a lot of speculation that he should and might retire. But he's going to continue playing. Fine. That's his right. But he's getting to the point where his body can't execute what his brain wants it to do. No fault to him. It happens to everyone, especially in a game as violent as football.
Peyton is in the twilight of his career...  
Dunedin81 : 3/4/2015 4:28 pm : link
Eli is still in his prime. Peyton has a serious neck injury and could be one vicious hit away from retirement. Eli has the longest active games started streak in the NFL. It would be nice if Eli would take less money, but they're at different stages in their careers.
Eli should get every penny he  
Headhunter : 3/4/2015 4:39 pm : link
can
Peyton is one year removed from an MVP season, Eli is  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 4:39 pm : link
one year removed from perhaps his most miserable season.
I get the extension argument  
Bill L : 3/4/2015 4:43 pm : link
but the "has has or makes enough money" would make me we want to say gtfo. Who are we to say someone has or makes enough? A cap friendly extension is one thing; absolutely wrong, imo, to say he *should* take a paycut. If his performance demands a paycut, well, then the market will determine that.
RE: Eli should get every penny he  
Bill L : 3/4/2015 4:44 pm : link
In comment 12163614 Headhunter said:
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Completely agree with you.






dammit.
Bill L  
Headhunter : 3/4/2015 4:45 pm : link
Do NOT make it a habit
RE: The Mannings have enough money  
Semipro Lineman : 3/4/2015 4:48 pm : link
In comment 12163588 mrvax said:
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to do whatever they want short of buying up China's US debt.
I'd be a little annoyed if Eli didn't work out a team friendly contract. Not for the owners sake, but just to allow the Giants to re-tool enough for another SB run.

I'd love to see Eli sign for 4 years, $60M, $35M guaranteed.


True that, Eli should totes sign a contract for less annually than Matt Stafford, Alex Smith, Jay Cutler, Andy Dalton, and Carson Palmer to be in the Sam Bradford pay grade zone
It's not about performance...  
Dunedin81 : 3/4/2015 4:49 pm : link
Peyton is trying to win a Super Bowl to put a bow on one of the two or three best QB careers in NFL history. He has a 1-2 year horizon, at most. Eli is mid-career, with several more years to go. He's not trying to put a wrap on anything, he's still writing the middle chapters. If the Giants won't give him market rate, he can - and should - go elsewhere to get it.
Bill L  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 4:55 pm : link
Could take a paycut does not equal should take a paycut. I don't know what Eli should do. I can however speculate on what he might choose to do and why he might do it.
So than if a team for its own reasons overpays a QB it sets market  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 4:59 pm : link
rate but if a player for his own reasons takes less it has no effect on the market rate?
I'm more of a  
Headhunter : 3/4/2015 5:00 pm : link
Conservative and Capitalist I guess but you do not entertain leaving a dime if the table. You'd rather see it in Mara's pocket? Don't insult me bringing up the Salary Cap and doing what's good for the team. If Eli blows out his throwing arm he will go the route of Phil Simms, unceremoniously released
RE: Eli should get every penny he  
dep026 : 3/4/2015 5:01 pm : link
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Bingo. I just love when people should tell a professional athlete to take less money.

He should make as much as possible.
Brady took somewhat of a team friendly deal  
Dave in Hoboken : 3/4/2015 5:05 pm : link
a couple of years ago, too. I'm as big of an Eli fan as anyone and no one is suggesting he took a hugely cap friendly deal. But he could help out alittle bit here, especially with the amount of holes on this team presently.
Make him a partner in the profits  
Headhunter : 3/4/2015 5:07 pm : link
and then I could see helping out the team
Headhunter  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 5:08 pm : link
Eli makes more money in one year than Phil Simms made in his whole career. That allows Eli to consider things that Phil Simms never even dreamed of.
Why exactly should Eli have faith in the Giants that they'd spend that  
Devon : 3/4/2015 5:13 pm : link
cap space well? That it would be some huge difference maker?

He's not [entirely] blameless in it, no, but the hand Reese & Co have handed him in recent years has pretty much turned him into Jim Plunkett 2.0 (as ridiculous as that should be and is), as far as image/perception go, largely wiping away all the rebuilding and recovery he had done (and frankly done mostly so on the back of carrying what wasn't a good team in 2011 until they could get on an incredibly unexpected, well timed hot streak), and it's not like the arrow is really pointing strongly up for the future right now here.
Devon  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 5:17 pm : link
Only Eli could answer that. We are left to speculate on what he might consider.
Devon  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 5:21 pm : link
One thing about the Giants is that they will spend the money, there are teams that would not.
You have got to be kidding  
Headhunter : 3/4/2015 5:25 pm : link
Warren Buffet had more money 40 years ago than he could ever spend in 100 lifetimes, yet 40 years later at 84 he is still trying to make more. I say God Bless him
Fellas,  
Big Blue '56 : 3/4/2015 5:53 pm : link
it's now being reported(PFT) that the 4 million Peyton is "giving up" can be recouped with incentives, making it a 15 mill base salary and the rest incentives..As of now, we don't know what the incentive(s) is/are
Big Blue  
wgenesis123 : 3/4/2015 6:01 pm : link
Got to wonder how many of those same incentives were there at 19 million. Workout bonus, Super Bowl MVP bonus ect. that many QB's have in their contracts.
For the record...  
T-Bone : 3/4/2015 6:07 pm : link
Peyton was supposedly 'irked' about being asked to take the pay cut. See link.
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RE: RE: Eli should get every penny he  
Bill L : 3/4/2015 6:30 pm : link
In comment 12163646 dep026 said:
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Bingo. I just love when people should tell a professional athlete to take less money.

He should make as much as possible.


As far as I'm concerned, that applies to,every single person in this country.
What Bunk said  
Wuphat : 3/4/2015 6:37 pm : link
...
The way I keep score is by net worth  
Headhunter : 3/4/2015 6:44 pm : link
the more you have made( not inherited) the more I respect you. I get that there is more to life than money and I agree to a large extent, except it is usually said by someone who has no money.
I love when people bring up Thomas Brady  
SanFranNowNCGiantsFan : 3/4/2015 7:01 pm : link
Totally forgetting his wife makes more than him. He's not a good example.
RE: Peyton has more money flowing from advertisement  
geelabee : 3/4/2015 7:12 pm : link
In comment 12163489 spike said:
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he would rather have a stronger team to compete for a ring.


Not only that he has a huge deal with papa johns in return for promoting got a boatload of franchises...he currently owns 21 Denver area stores.
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everyone stfu  
mookskingdom20 : 3/4/2015 8:43 pm : link
He's not losing out on the 4 million dollars, he can gain every penny of it back in the form of incentives that he'll way more than likely reach

Stop making every guy who modifies the way he's paid out to be a fucking saint
RE: Why  
dguy901 : 3/4/2015 9:28 pm : link
In comment 12163455 AcidTest said:
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would Eli take a pay cut? Big brother is older, has had serious back surgery, and his arm looked like a wet noodle at the end of the year.

Agree! Why should he take a pay-cut, the difference between Peyton and Eli is apples and oranges.
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