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NFT: Justice Dept report on Ferguson: City, Police Corrupt

Nitro : 3/4/2015 7:42 pm
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The Justice Department reports that its investigation into law enforcement in Ferguson, Mo., found that the police and courts meted out illegal and unduly harsh treatment, particularly to black people. One of the reports released Wednesday, "Investigation of the Ferguson Police Department," says the mistreatment is due to discrimination, and a primary focus on maximizing city revenue through citations, not to keeping the peace.


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Ferguson's Municipal Court, which is actually run by the chief of police, is part of the city's revenue-raising machinery, the report found, with court officials routinely levying excessive fines and fees, and violating people's rights.


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Black people in Ferguson regularly report racial epithets being used against them by police officers, but a search of city e-mail accounts by the Justice Department also showed many racist remarks casually traded by police supervisors and court officials.


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The Justice Department also found that officers regularly exceed their authority and mistreat people.



If you think this isn't status quo anywhere besides some backward part of Missouri, don't know what to tell you.


The Ferguson Police Department: The Justice Department Report, Annotated - ( New Window )
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Yep, it's definitely a problem  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/4/2015 7:47 pm : link
Which is why it's a damn shame the people of the city did the things they did, placing the focus (and blame) on their shoulders.
Nail on head.  
Bockman : 3/4/2015 7:51 pm : link
Looting your fellow neighbors took all the attention away from the real issue (police body cameras) and only served to reinforce stereotypes.
you people  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 7:53 pm : link
are retarded.

RE: you people  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/4/2015 7:57 pm : link
In comment 12163833 Nitro said:
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are retarded.


Even if we are (we're not) your aggressive behavior just now made us look correct. I hope you at least appreciate the irony, since it appears already the thread isn't going the way you wanted.
RE: you people  
bradshaw44 : 3/4/2015 7:58 pm : link
In comment 12163833 Nitro said:
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are retarded.


Lol, from the man preaching tolerance. And you drop "retarded" in your first reply. Smh
if your conclusion form this  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 7:58 pm : link
is 'damn idiot looters acting the why I suspected blacks act", I got a link for ya
http://www.fergusoncity.com/jobs.aspx - ( New Window )
Swing and a miss.  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/4/2015 7:59 pm : link
That was no one's conclusion. We said it's a shame the behavior of city's people took the attention off what is evidently a problem. You are embarrassing yourself.
the  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 7:59 pm : link
way
lol useless fek  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:00 pm : link
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Looting your fellow neighbors took all the attention away from the real issue (police body cameras) and only served to reinforce stereotypes.
Another swing and a miss  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/4/2015 8:03 pm : link
He didn't say that he "suspects blacks act that way" (using your disgusting language there).

He said the looting reinforced terrible stereotypes. He never said they were true or that he personally associated with them.

Again, you are absolutely embarrassing yourself.
This thread took a very educational turn  
PA Giant Fan : 3/4/2015 8:05 pm : link
Lots to learn here in a just a few posts....
To wit  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:06 pm : link
Systemic racial abuse and corruption proven as well as we can prove those things.

The problem is the looters behavior. To the point where this is in your eyes outshone.

An angry crowd destroying property > Governmental & Authority conspiring for profit to the demerit of those they were tasked to protect.

Got it.

I know BBI is primarily crusty old tri-state and beltway types but heaven help us if this is the broad conclusion.
I don't know how you can ever tell someone  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:07 pm : link
they're embarrassing themselves fek. While I'm no Rob from NYC elephant of BBI remembering some of your sorry antics from the past is hardly straining.
Nitro  
PA Giant Fan : 3/4/2015 8:08 pm : link
You keep missing the point which is opportunity lost....
PA - I disagree with that conclusion entirely  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:09 pm : link
and would add that if that's the view in light of this proven corruption, then there was little interest in justice to begin with.
RE: Nitro  
Mike in Long Beach : 3/4/2015 8:09 pm : link
In comment 12163894 PA Giant Fan said:
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You keep missing the point which is opportunity lost....


Read this Nitro. Read it again... then read it again.
Expecting a thread to turn out a certain way  
WideRight : 3/4/2015 8:09 pm : link
is no different than expecting someone to change their opinion, which rarely happens here.

Establishing facts, like corruption and pervasive racism as found in the report, goes along way to explain why a "decorated" cop would think that killing an unarmed citizen is a justifiable outcome in a civil society. When everyone around you thinks like you do, its impossible to recognize that you are part of the problem.
unfortunately  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 3/4/2015 8:17 pm : link
there's nothing surprising about that report. And like you said, it extends far beyond Ferguson.

"the mistreatment is due to discrimination, and a primary focus on maximizing city revenue through citations, not to keeping the peace."

^I didn't need a report to know that.
Osi - yes, but there's still a certain segment  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:20 pm : link
who buy the whole 'there are no quotas' creed you'll hear bandied about.

Lack of surprise doesn't really weaken the merit of this report, if anything it strengthens it.
Hahaha, Nitro calling me Fek  
Bockman : 3/4/2015 8:20 pm : link
Obviously he doesn't know that I've been here for 10 years. Check the profile you fucking moron.

I didn't say I have these stereotypes you pathetic pile of jiz. My point is that police misconduct took a backseat to the looting, because the looting drove the media narrative. There was a chance for real nationwide change for the good (maybe even body camera legislation), except it turned into "hur hur look at these degenerates looting a liquor store".

Can you get that through your walnut sized brain you fucking idiot?
This is police everywhere  
PA Giant Fan : 3/4/2015 8:21 pm : link
"the mistreatment is due to discrimination, and a primary focus on maximizing city revenue through citations, not to keeping the peace."

But don't conflate one officers actions by which black witnesses corroborated with the bigger picture which is also where some here went off the rail
RE: Hahaha, Nitro calling me Fek  
bradshaw44 : 3/4/2015 8:22 pm : link
In comment 12163952 Bockman said:
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Obviously he doesn't know that I've been here for 10 years. Check the profile you fucking moron.

I didn't say I have these stereotypes you pathetic pile of jiz. My point is that police misconduct took a backseat to the looting, because the looting drove the media narrative. There was a chance for real nationwide change for the good (maybe even body camera legislation), except it turned into "hur hur look at these degenerates looting a liquor store".

Can you get that through your walnut sized brain you fucking idiot?


Fek is Mike in Long beach
walnut brain or not  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:22 pm : link
pretty clearly calling Mike in LB fek, because well he is.

I don't even think body cameras are the solution - how much more HD could Eric Garner get?
You quoted what I said, not what he said  
Bockman : 3/4/2015 8:25 pm : link
might wanna use that preview function
just  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:26 pm : link
pay attention.
longer excerpt  
Nitro : 3/4/2015 8:30 pm : link
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The City’s emphasis on revenue generation has a profound effect on FPD’s approach to
law enforcement. Patrol assignments and schedules are geared toward aggressive enforcement
of Ferguson’s municipal code, with insufficient thought given to whether enforcement strategies
promote public safety or unnecessarily undermine community trust and cooperation. Officer
evaluations and promotions depend to an inordinate degree on “productivity,” meaning the
number of citations issued. Partly as a consequence of City and FPD priorities, many officers
appear to see some residents, especially those who live in Ferguson’s predominantly African American
neighborhoods, less as constituents to be protected than as potential offenders and
sources of revenue.

This culture within FPD influences officer activities in all areas of policing, beyond just
ticketing. Officers expect and demand compliance even when they lack legal authority. They
are inclined to interpret the exercise of free-speech rights as unlawful disobedience, innocent
movements as physical threats, indications of mental or physical illness as belligerence. Police
supervisors and leadership do too little to ensure that officers act in accordance with law and
policy, and rarely respond meaningfully to civilian complaints of officer misconduct. The result
is a pattern of stops without reasonable suspicion and arrests without probable cause in violation
of the Fourth Amendment; infringement on free expression, as well as retaliation for protected
I don't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 3/4/2015 8:36 pm : link
think this thread is wise.
Ferguson is fucked at the police level.  
Randy in CT : 3/4/2015 8:54 pm : link
When the first post turned the focus on the people who looted, that was the turn for the worse. Their stupid looting was a stupid reaction to a very real and very bad, daily problem in Ferguson.

Mentioning the looting is interesting.
Those above wish it was an opportunity lost...  
WideRight : 3/4/2015 9:06 pm : link
When in fact the Justice report is another positive step towards the changes that were desparately needed. So its a win.
RE: I don't  
Wuphat : 3/4/2015 9:13 pm : link
In comment 12164032 Eric from BBI said:
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think this thread is wise.


Irrelevant!

It's entertaining
Wide Right  
PA Giant Fan : 3/4/2015 9:17 pm : link
Yes and no. The image most carry regarding Ferguson is a railroad job on an innocent cop and all night vigils, riots, lying witnesses, looting for a thug seen on video tape robbing a convenient store minutes prior to being shot....That is the face of this story for many....

Police are corrupt or biased or mostly serve as revenue generators? No shit
It seems like a mishmash of some very specific grievances...  
Dunedin81 : 3/4/2015 9:28 pm : link
with some systematic ones. The issue with vehicle violations and resulting loss of license or additional fines is a wider one that doesn't just impact African-Americans, though it can be applied unevenly. Poverty, more than skin color, is the reason for so many of these vehicle-related drug busts. You get pulled over for a vehicle violation, which is much more common on an old beater than on a newer-model car. That gets the officer to the window. A whiff of weed or anything out of the ordinary and there is PC. Your license is suspended for nonpayment of fines from the last interaction with law enforcement? Can't drive it home. Gotta call someone. Might as well do a free air sniff. Not your first driving suspended? Arrest, search incident to arrest and inventory search.
But that was the story being told  
SomeFan : 3/4/2015 11:24 pm : link
and everyone already knew the police write tickets for money. The entire thing shed zero light on anything. It will or did kill Ferguson just like the cities from the riots in the 60s but did not enlighten or improve anything.
Don't know how you get there, SomeFan  
manh george : 3/5/2015 12:12 am : link
Half the conclusions were about racial issues, not revenue issues.
The first two responses in this thread  
moespree : 3/5/2015 12:24 am : link
Is what turned it. It's a completely irrelevant response to the issues and facts brought up in the most recent findings and reports by the Justice Dept. The findings have to do with extensive research into the Police Department of the city and the surrounding government of that city before, during, and after all the most notable events.

Bringing up the unfortunate and awful looting that occurred in the aftermath of the legal decision and the mentioning how that "reinforces stereotypes" has what to do with the Justice Department report on the Ferguson police and local government?
Oh gee, what else would you  
section125 : 3/5/2015 4:19 am : link
expect from this Justice Department with Eric Holder as AG.

They couldn't hang the cop, so let's hang the city....

That said, is it a shock that non-whites/poor monorities have less justice.

Seems to be just a retaliation report.
It should be noted that they also cleared officer Wilson  
steve in ky : 3/5/2015 5:46 am : link
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The Justice Department on Wednesday cleared a white former Ferguson, Missouri, police officer in the fatal shooting of an unarmed black 18-year-old, but also issued a scathing report calling for sweeping changes in city law enforcement practices it called discriminatory and unconstitutional


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the report found no evidence to disprove Wilson's testimony that he feared for his safety during the Aug. 9 confrontation. Nor were there reliable witness accounts to establish that Brown had his hands up in surrender when he was shot, Justice Department lawyers said.



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There are some serious and specific charges in the report...  
Dunedin81 : 3/5/2015 7:11 am : link
people are going to be dismissive because they don't like the AG, and the more discriminating readers because it's difficult to isolate variables (were people of different ethnicities but similar economic situations pulled over at a comparable rate or was that skewed too?), and because it's difficult to determine outside of a handful of anecdotes whether "repeated Fourth Amendment violations" is anything more than having evidence suppressed in court, which happens in even the best departments as it can be judge-specific. And dumbshit emails, for which a couple folks have already been fired, are not in and of themselves proof of anything systemic save that people are stupid. But the dog-biting thing is a substantial problem. Any sort of pattern of Fourth Amendment abuse is a problem. And the notion that serious complaints were not being investigated at all is a very serious problem.
so pretty much  
bbfanva : 3/5/2015 7:13 am : link
the "hands-up, don't shoot" meme was bullshit and the riots were driven by people with an alternative agenda. Whoda thunk it?
That said, it should not be a surprise that the actual lack of a criminal act by the police officer was lost in the fog of a report that's filled with misleading stats and specious commentary. Wow, it took a team of Holder's finest to tell us that city with a small tax base and budget problems uses the law as an excuse to collect fines and raise revenue.. Sounds a lot like DC.

Please let me know if any person, company or even local governing body could withstand the scrutiny of a determined team of ideologically driven federal prosecutors tasked and hell-bent on finding "something", please let me know where they are.
hopefully  
bc4life : 3/5/2015 7:27 am : link
this thread veers off in the right direction.

One thing I am curious about is if the police department's mission morphed into revenue production, it did not happen without the municipal government (mayor, council, etc.) being cognizant of it. In fact, it would not be surprising that they did not drive it. What are the consequences for city government officials.
The justice system disproportionately  
JerryNYG : 3/5/2015 7:31 am : link
punishes the poor and minorities? Color me SHOCKED!

With that said, hopefully the report will eventually lead toward body camera legislation which I hope will protect both citizens and law enforcement.
RE: hopefully  
Dunedin81 : 3/5/2015 7:32 am : link
In comment 12164581 bc4life said:
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this thread veers off in the right direction.

One thing I am curious about is if the police department's mission morphed into revenue production, it did not happen without the municipal government (mayor, council, etc.) being cognizant of it. In fact, it would not be surprising that they did not drive it. What are the consequences for city government officials.


You act like this is a revelation. There are hundreds of towns - probably more - around the country whose two or three mile stretch of interstate or well-traveled state road funds the majority of the municipal budget. States have quite rightly cracked down on this to some extent, centralizing fine revenues, but the problem persists.
bbfanva  
bc4life : 3/5/2015 7:32 am : link
One would think, in fact hope, that as government official - regardless of your personal beliefs, you would be wise and/or professional enough to not include derogatory racial comments in your correspondence. deflecting the blame onto the AG is strange path to take.

based on some of the comments from the officers, the AG is only discovering what some of the FPD officers have known for some time.

Hopefully, this will get things turned around.
and what  
bc4life : 3/5/2015 7:36 am : link
part of my post made you incorrectly conclude that I "act like this is a revelation"? you're imagining or fabricating things

Again, for those who missed the obvious point, I state it more simply. Government officials knew or should have known about this - so they should share in the blame as well as the police department.
RE: bbfanva  
bbfanva : 3/5/2015 7:45 am : link
In comment 12164585 bc4life said:
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One would think, in fact hope, that as government official - regardless of your personal beliefs, you would be wise and/or professional enough to not include derogatory racial comments in your correspondence. deflecting the blame onto the AG is strange path to take.

based on some of the comments from the officers, the AG is only discovering what some of the FPD officers have known for some time.

Hopefully, this will get things turned around.


BC, the point is that if they crawled up your ass with a microscope, you would be breaking rocks in a federal pen for violating or breaking some law, statute, or whatever you didn't even know existed. As far as the emails go, I repeat that if you look at every message that every employee of every government sent to one another in confidence, you could cobble together a few that could be used to prove whatever you want.

It's funny that the AGs office can find a few derogatory words in a few emails by obscure employees in a small city in Missouri but the same government can't locate and produce emails sent by the IRS and the Department of State. Goes to show what they're priorities are.
RE: and what  
Dunedin81 : 3/5/2015 7:46 am : link
In comment 12164591 bc4life said:
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part of my post made you incorrectly conclude that I "act like this is a revelation"? you're imagining or fabricating things

Again, for those who missed the obvious point, I state it more simply. Government officials knew or should have known about this - so they should share in the blame as well as the police department.


My point, which was made in a snarkier fashion than it should have been, is that it's probably not a closely guarded secret. They know because it's a business model, not an accident.
I'm going to bow out...  
Dunedin81 : 3/5/2015 7:48 am : link
because someone is steering this toward the delete pile.
RE: I'm going to bow out...  
T-Bone : 3/5/2015 7:54 am : link
In comment 12164600 Dunedin81 said:
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because someone is steering this toward the delete pile.


You think it's just one person?
Duned  
bc4life : 3/5/2015 7:55 am : link
Yeah, I have no problem with municipalities benefiting from fines. But, when it becomes their primary reason for existence - no good can come of it.

And, I agree - didn't take long for the thread to veer off course and it will undoubtedly self-destruct or at the least, be unproductive.
RE: RE: I'm going to bow out...  
Dunedin81 : 3/5/2015 7:57 am : link
In comment 12164604 T-Bone said:
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In comment 12164600 Dunedin81 said:


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because someone is steering this toward the delete pile.



You think it's just one person?


One person this morning. But your point is taken.
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