| The Justice Department reports that its investigation into law enforcement in Ferguson, Mo., found that the police and courts meted out illegal and unduly harsh treatment, particularly to black people. One of the reports released Wednesday, "Investigation of the Ferguson Police Department," says the mistreatment is due to discrimination, and a primary focus on maximizing city revenue through citations, not to keeping the peace. |
| Ferguson's Municipal Court, which is actually run by the chief of police, is part of the city's revenue-raising machinery, the report found, with court officials routinely levying excessive fines and fees, and violating people's rights. |
| Black people in Ferguson regularly report racial epithets being used against them by police officers, but a search of city e-mail accounts by the Justice Department also showed many racist remarks casually traded by police supervisors and court officials. |
| The Justice Department also found that officers regularly exceed their authority and mistreat people. |
If you think this isn't status quo anywhere besides some backward part of Missouri, don't know what to tell you.
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Most people I know are not racist.
Newsflash. EVERYONE IS RACIST. Every. Single. One. of us, MYSELF included. None of us are born with it. It is thrust upon us by our culture, our media, our peers, our friends, our relatives.
It doesn't have to be cross-burning racism. It can be as simple as spade-is-a-spade racial jokes, or locking your car doors when a black guy walks by, but we ALL have some ingrained level of racism inherent in us. And it is up to us to correct it, whether we catch ourselves in the act as well as to call it out when we see it from others.
If you can't even see it in yourself, how can you ever judge it in others?
Ferguson was NOT about Mike Brown. Mike Brown happens on a near daily basis in this country. Ferguson happened for a reason, and the DOJ SHOWED US the reason.
So where are the protests are riots today then in Ferguson Haven't heard crap since Wilson was exonerated.
Yes Brown happens on a daily basis. Black Thug commits a crime and is arrested, detained or killed attacking someone.
Otherwise lets hear one shred of evidence that says that a cop kills an innocent kid every day....Or admit that what you just typed was bullshit.
And don't give me ..."I meant to say that a white cop harrassed a black innocent kid" This was originally about murder of an innocent kid.
Which turned out to be self defense against a violent criminal
T-Bone, please consider just quietly backing out of the room. PA appears to have a personality disorder which makes it impossible to consider alternate views.
A kind of narcissism or hubris. That doesn't make for reasonable discussions. He won't convince anyone, and no one will convince him, so why bother?
Go day, sir. Nice effort. You definitely got me.
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You're just spouting off the same head in the sand, stubborn, ignorant-of-the-situation garbage. What's your plan? Make black people stop being scary towards white people? Then racism will be fixed? By your logic, the only ones to blame here are those in the black community. You're blaming black people for racism against them. How the fuck is that not the viewpoint of a racist.?
So if my ideas ignorant, what are yours? Where are anyone on this threads solutions?
Maybe no one has given an solution to the problem of police brutality and unfair treatment of minorities on a city-wide level (which, again, this thread is about) because it's not an easy problem to solve? Nah... that can't be it. It's just so much easier to say 'Hey, it's black people's fault they're getting their own asses kicked!'. LOL!
That's what you seem to keep missing. BUT, to at least try to give a solution I would suggest...
- better screening of potential law enforcement officers and city officials... along with having a group of committed individuals to watch over these tasks
To me this would be the very first step. Can't fix the problem if you keep letting the same type of people in.
- perhaps look into changing some of the tactics used by law enforcement and/or issuing harsher penalties for those officers and city officials who are found to be abusive not towards just minorities but all people
I'm not going to sit here and claim I know what needs to be changed in this respect as I know little about law enforcement training. But I think a big deterrent would be to give officers found of using abusive tactics much harsher penalties than what they currently seem to get.
- on the other side, perhaps more can be done to teach minorities what their rights are as citizens of the US, along with teaching them how to act when approached by a member of law enforcement
In some, but not all, cases... the abusive actions could've been avoided had the suspect reacted in a better fashion. This is where I will state that it's my belief that in some cases some people bring what happens to them on themselves. Mouthing off and giving the officer(s) a hard time rarely ever works or helps the person being abused. Few things piss me off more than seeing someone being blatantly disrespectful and belligerent towards an officer and then when the officer slams the guy to the ground he starts screaming about police brutality.
That's just a few possible solutions and I'm sure there are more but again, I'm not nearly arrogant enough to think that I know and have all the answers and anyone who disagrees with me is a moron.... like one person in particular.
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T-Bone, please consider just quietly backing out of the room. PA appears to have a personality disorder which makes it impossible to consider alternate views.
A kind of narcissism or hubris. That doesn't make for reasonable discussions. He won't convince anyone, and no one will convince him, so why bother?
Ok... I'm pretty much done. I should've been done a while ago like you said! LOL! I'm just amazed that there are people out there that think like him and have really tried to understand where he's coming from... but I guess he's the only one who can do that.
That's a sure sign that it isn't worth bothering, unless you ENJOY banging your head against a brick wall.
You just hope he doesn't procreate much (hey, he's white, don't have to worry about many kids, because he's not a minority; see, his viewpoint may have merit!).
We are all the same. Black, white, brown
Racism and abuse by cops represents a very small amount of the issue effecting black progress yet receives most of the attention.
The real issue is black on black crime, drug laws and use, incarceration rates, babies having babies.
Racism is born out of fear. As long as black represent a vast % per capita of violent crime, and black men have criminals records at a rate of 1/3 there will be continued fear resulting in racism.
Cops are not naturally racist but become conditioned by working in black communities where the crime is. This is also evidenced by the same behavior being perpetuated by black cops. It is not a blue thing as Tbone noted but a conditioned thing.
I believe that solutions should include providing a path to a clean record and education for non violent offenders. Fix drug laws. Education and discouragement or de-incentivize babies having babies.
The continued murder of kids in inner cites represents an issue yet no one talks about it, protests, starts threads here but the hint of a white cop killing an innocent kid starts riots shows a misplacement of rage.
T-Bone, please consider just quietly backing out of the room. PA appears to have a personality disorder which makes it impossible to consider alternate views.
A kind of narcissism or hubris. That doesn't make for reasonable discussions. He won't convince anyone, and no one will convince him, so why bother?
manh...I think I disagree. It appears to me that PA Film Giant is becoming more and more openly bigoted as the wears on. The rope is paid, out, the noose is set, and all that remains is for him to kick the lever in his flailing about.
Let the prick hang himself, then perhaps that'll be the end of him.
You have this strange but squeaky wheel vocal here but what I have stated is hardly out of the norm.
He doesn't vote Republican, but all of his links are from hyper-right sites. I guess he's a fringer, which certainly explains his views. He's the type that gives Republicans a bad name.
You have this strange but squeaky wheel vocal here but what I have stated is hardly out of the norm.
Better a squeaky wheel than a rat-fuck.
Sooooo far from the truth....it is funny though..
Again, here it is again....what is bigoted...You got names but no evidence. All you are doing is proving my point and providing the evidence for why things will not change any time soon but as I have noted it will via generational progress.
My overall thoughts here
We are all the same. Black, white, brown
Racism and abuse by cops represents a very small amount of the issue effecting black progress yet receives most of the attention.
The real issue is black on black crime, drug laws and use, incarceration rates, babies having babies.
Racism is born out of fear. As long as black represent a vast % per capita of violent crime, and black men have criminals records at a rate of 1/3 there will be continued fear resulting in racism.
Cops are not naturally racist but become conditioned by working in black communities where the crime is. This is also evidenced by the same behavior being perpetuated by black cops. It is not a blue thing as Tbone noted but a conditioned thing.
I believe that solutions should include providing a path to a clean record and education for non violent offenders. Fix drug laws. Education and discouragement or de-incentivize babies having babies.
The continued murder of kids in inner cites represents an issue yet no one talks about it, protests, starts threads here but the hint of a white cop killing an innocent kid starts riots shows a misplacement of rage.
Again, here it is. Tell me what is misguided or bigoted?
My overall thoughts here
We are all the same. Black, white, brown
Racism and abuse by cops represents a very small amount of the issue effecting black progress yet receives most of the attention.
The real issue is black on black crime, drug laws and use, incarceration rates, babies having babies.
Racism is born out of fear. As long as black represent a vast % per capita of violent crime, and black men have criminals records at a rate of 1/3 there will be continued fear resulting in racism.
Cops are not naturally racist but become conditioned by working in black communities where the crime is. This is also evidenced by the same behavior being perpetuated by black cops. It is not a blue thing as Tbone noted but a conditioned thing.
I believe that solutions should include providing a path to a clean record and education for non violent offenders. Fix drug laws. Education and discouragement or de-incentivize babies having babies.
The continued murder of kids in inner cites represents an issue yet no one talks about it, protests, starts threads here but the hint of a white cop killing an innocent kid starts riots shows a misplacement of rage.
Protected by a canopy in a steady rain at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Mr. Obama told the drenched graduates and their families that they can’t afford to use “the bitter legacy of slavery and segregation” as an excuse for any shortcomings.
“We know that too many young men in our community continue to make bad choices,” Mr. Obama said. “Growing up, I made a few myself. Sometimes I wrote off my own failings as just another example of the world trying to keep a black man down.”
Various biographical accounts of Mr. Obama’s teenage years in Hawaii have described him as an underachieving student who enjoyed smoking marijuana frequently.
The president said without some opportunities, his life might have turned out differently.
“I might have been in prison,” Mr. Obama said. “I might have been unemployed. I might not have been able to support a family. And that motivates me.”
But Mr. Obama said black men today — he even used the term “brother” frequently — cannot use racism as a crutch to explain away any failures.
“We’ve got no time for excuses,” Mr. Obama said. “Not because the bitter legacy of slavery and segregation have vanished entirely; they have not. Not because racism and discrimination no longer exist; we know those are still out there. It’s just that in today’s hyper-connected, hyper-competitive world, with millions of young people from China and India and Brazil — many of whom started with a whole lot less than all of you did — all of them entering the global workforce alongside you, nobody is going to give you anything that you have not earned.”
The president’s speech to the all-male class at Morehouse was unusual in the level of his introspection on race, and his bluntness on the responsibilities of black men.
He urged the graduates to help the powerless in society. And even though he said his job as president is to help Americans of all races, he added, “there are some things, as black men, we can only do for ourselves.”
“Be a good role model and set a good example for that young brother coming up,” Mr. Obama said. “If you know somebody who’s not on point, go back and bring that brother along — those who’ve been left behind, who haven’t had the same opportunities we have — they need to hear from you. We’ve got to teach them just like what we have to learn, what it means to be a man — to serve your city like Maynard Jackson; to shape the culture like Spike Lee.”
It was Mr. Obama’s second commencement speech of this graduation season. He spoke to the graduates of Ohio State University two weeks ago, and will address the graduating class at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis on Friday.
Mr. Obama also spoke more than he usually does about his upbringing, and the fact that his father abandoned him.
He remembers meeting his father briefly only once, when he was 10 years old.
“I was raised by a heroic single mom, wonderful grandparents — made incredible sacrifices for me,” he told the graduates. “And I know there are moms and grandparents here today who did the same thing for all of you. But I sure wish I had had a father who was not only present, but involved. Didn’t know my dad.”
The president said his experience impressed on him the need to be a good father and husband, and that his efforts at home are more important to him than his achievements as president
“Everything else is unfulfilled if we fail at family, if we fail at that responsibility,” he said. “I know that when I am on my deathbed someday, I will not be thinking about any particular legislation I passed; I will not be thinking about a policy I promoted; I will not be thinking about the speech I gave, I will not be thinking the Nobel Prize I received. I will be thinking about that walk I took with my daughters. I’ll be thinking about a lazy afternoon with my wife. I’ll be thinking about sitting around the dinner table and seeing them happy and healthy and knowing that they were loved. And I’ll be thinking about whether I did right by all of them.”
The president combined his visit to Morehouse Sunday with a fundraiser in Georgia for Democratic candidates for the U.S. Senate.
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Ferguson was NOT about Mike Brown. Mike Brown happens on a near daily basis in this country. Ferguson happened for a reason, and the DOJ SHOWED US the reason.
So where are the protests are riots today then in Ferguson Haven't heard crap since Wilson was exonerated.
Exactly. Because it WASN'T about Mike Brown. Simultaneously, Wilson was exonerated, AND the Ferguson Justice System was completely EXPOSED. Because the national spotlight that was shone on Ferguson, and the resulting actions were enough to prevent further rioting. Had there been a 'slap on the wrist' of a report from DOJ, things would have been different.
See: Blind men and camel.
For the third time
here it is. Tell me what is misguided or bigoted?
My overall thoughts here
We are all the same. Black, white, brown
Racism and abuse by cops represents a very small amount of the issue effecting black progress yet receives most of the attention.
The real issue is black on black crime, drug laws and use, incarceration rates, babies having babies.
Racism is born out of fear. As long as black represent a vast % per capita of violent crime, and black men have criminals records at a rate of 1/3 there will be continued fear resulting in racism.
Cops are not naturally racist but become conditioned by working in black communities where the crime is. This is also evidenced by the same behavior being perpetuated by black cops. It is not a blue thing as Tbone noted but a conditioned thing.
I believe that solutions should include providing a path to a clean record and education for non violent offenders. Fix drug laws. Education and discouragement or de-incentivize babies having babies.
The continued murder of kids in inner cites represents an issue yet no one talks about it, protests, starts threads here but the hint of a white cop killing an innocent kid starts riots shows a misplacement of rage.
There was nothing because the white cop was exonerated. It was over.
For the fourth time which none of you can address or deny or disprove or address:
My overall thoughts here
We are all the same. Black, white, brown
Racism and abuse by cops represents a very small amount of the issue effecting black progress yet receives most of the attention.
The real issue is black on black crime, drug laws and use, incarceration rates, babies having babies.
Racism is born out of fear. As long as black represent a vast % per capita of violent crime, and black men have criminals records at a rate of 1/3 there will be continued fear resulting in racism.
Cops are not naturally racist but become conditioned by working in black communities where the crime is. This is also evidenced by the same behavior being perpetuated by black cops. It is not a blue thing as Tbone noted but a conditioned thing.
I believe that solutions should include providing a path to a clean record and education for non violent offenders. Fix drug laws. Education and discouragement or de-incentivize babies having babies.
The continued murder of kids in inner cites represents an issue yet no one talks about it, protests, starts threads here but the hint of a white cop killing an innocent kid starts riots shows a misplacement of rage.
Racism and abuse by cops represents a very small amount of the issue effecting black progress yet receives most of the attention.
Everything after this point is immaterial, because this one point is a gross marginalization of a HUGE problem that, in addition to being a disgusting problem to have in the first place, has massive implications and an enormous multiplier effect.
It's spoken by someone who has never once experienced the institutional bias of law enforcement/legal system or even seen those that it affects.
On top of that, so much of what you've said is so off base and ridiculous, that it's pointless to engage you. You are like Spock. You have no understanding of any other worldview outside of your little bubble.
It is mind blowing that someone can read the report on Ferguson and conclude that the REAL problem is black on black crime. They're sending pictures of Obama as a Chimpanzee, but nope, there are only racist people because of black on black crime.
The report explicitly states the percentages of black individuals cited for certain violations (which hover around 90%), but nope, the cops are out to fine everyone equally.
Also, please do NOT call PA Giants Fan a troll. He is not a troll. Calling him a troll just implies that he is only saying what he is saying to get a rise out of people. That isn't the truth. He believes what he is saying.
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Otherwise lets hear one shred of evidence that says that a cop kills an innocent kid every day....Or admit that what you just typed was bullshit.
I've got Libertarian friends who are heavily anti-cop, so I get to see police overreach/brutality articles on just about a daily basis. Articles have been sent to me, posted on facebook regularly LONG before Ferguson. And no, not always a kid. (FWIW, Brown was pretty clearly a 'perp', can't draw conclusions over justification of Wilson's action)
Hey man, you want to take the side of police on this, knock yourself out. By the way, Pennsylvania sucks balls. Every inch of it. :)
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That's hilarious. You are literally telling a black person that it's the fault of black people that cops show a racial bias against them.
At the end of the day, that's what it boils down to.
And building off of this, the crux of your argument is pretty much that police bias against blacks does not truly affect black communities. That is such a fucking absurd statement that I don' even understand how can you stand by it.
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and the resulting actions were enough to prevent further rioting
There was nothing because the white cop was exonerated. It was over.
Then why weren't there any riots over Eric Garner, which was FAR more blatant and obvious? Could the police response in NYC vs Ferguson had ANYTHING to do with it?
Most of what I posted is accepted truth. Go read the presidents speech that I posted. Funny how much of what he notes regarding personal responsibility, family, laws, excuses...is parallel to what I posted.
Now you want to blame white cops for the high violent crime rate in these communities? That dog won't hunt
See you guys need to make white cops the big villain here and this post once again prove it. I never said there wasn't an effect. I said it was much smaller of an effect then the other items I listed but gets all the attention. The need to create this strawman argument against me only further validates how full of crap some of you are.
I'm not surprised though, since you have a complete inability to look at anything other than your own worldview.
It's amazing that your response to T-Bone's comment about cops only seeing "blue" vs "black" is "You buy that shit?".
As if it's some novel fucking idea. As if the term "blue code of silence" doesn't exist, as if the police don't literally call themselves a brotherhood or fraternal organization, as if there hasn't been a ton of discussion about the "us vs them" mentality that police have.
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And building off of this, the crux of your argument is pretty much that police bias against blacks does not truly affect black communities. That is such a fucking absurd statement that I don' even understand how can you stand by it.
See you guys need to make white cops the big villain here and this post once again prove it. I never said there wasn't an effect. I said it was much smaller of an effect then the other items I listed but gets all the attention. The need to create this strawman argument against me only further validates how full of crap some of you are.
What strawman argument? You're the one that's saying the effect is negligible, or at the very least, subordinate to all the other things you listed. You're the one that said it.
That's laughable and complete bullshit. Put yourself in the shoes of others for a change and try to stand by that.
It's idiotic.
Plus, the skin color of a cop doesn't matter to me. It's the racial bias that the cops have. You can have a black police force, and if they're doing the same thing to hispanics in their district, it's just as bad.
Man, your whole reaction to this thread just seems like some sort of knee-jerk reaction to protect "whites" from the "PC-police" or whatever. It's really transparent and obvious.
You realize what you are saying is far worse. Basically they allow abuse of black people because they don't want to cause a rift with white cops...come on now...It couldn't be seeing dead kids on a weekly basis...nah its a blue code...come on..
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Racism and abuse by cops represents a very small amount of the issue effecting black progress yet receives most of the attention.
"Very small amount of the issue effecting..." [btw, it's Affecting]
That sounds pretty much in tune with "not truly affecting". You're saying it doesn't have a big effect. I'm saying that's clearly bullshit.
So before you call others illiterate, maybe you should check what it is you said.
You lied basically creating this argument above but I never said it and it was never my argument. This is your attempt to create a strawman...pathetic as it was